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Physicists Think We Might Have a New, Exciting Dark Matter Candidate (sciencealert.com) 33

Science Alert reports: The candidate culprit is a recently discovered subatomic particle called a d-star hexaquark. And in the primordial darkness following the Big Bang, it could have come together to create dark matter... explained nuclear physicist Daniel Watts of the University of York in the UK. "Our first calculations indicate that condensates of d-stars are a feasible new candidate for dark matter. This new result is particularly exciting since it doesn't require any concepts that are new to physics...."

When six quarks combine, this creates a type of particle called a dibaryon, or hexaquark. We haven't actually observed many of these at all. The d-star hexaquark, described in 2014, was the first non-trivial detection... If such a gas of d-star hexaquarks was floating around in the early Universe as it cooled in the wake of the Big Bang, according to the team's modelling, it could come together to form Bose-Einstein condensates. And those condensates could be what we now call dark matter.

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Physicists Think We Might Have a New, Exciting Dark Matter Candidate

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  • "Exciting" (Score:4, Insightful)

    by fafalone ( 633739 ) on Saturday March 07, 2020 @02:37PM (#59806454)

    This new result is particularly exciting since it doesn't require any concepts that are new to physics

    Has the meaning of exciting changed?

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Sometimes it's exciting to find that things are easier than you expected.
      • yet things get less exciting once everything's exciting , someone has to tend to the balance in the universe. If everything is positive it will topple over. Dark matter is a theory that is accepted by the majority/consensus to be a plausible theory to put on top of the accepted framework as to why everything that has been accepted so far is not wrong because according to the previous consensus it turned out somewhere along the line that 95% of existense (give or take a few) is actually missing. But since th
    • My other car is dark matter.

    • by kaoshin ( 110328 )
      We we we so excited. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
    • Speak for yourself.

    • Exciting Dark Matter Candidate

      Has the meaning of exciting changed?

      Well, just a few weeks back, folks were talking about the possibility of a "Dark Horse Candidate [wikipedia.org]".

      Biden vs. Sanders looks kinda sorta boring, so a new Dark Matter Candidate is very exciting indeed.

    • by sjames ( 1099 )

      Exciting in the sense that not requiring new physics removes a lot of ifs and maybes. Not all of them, by a long shot, but a lot.

      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        What is really happening though, is the deeper they look the smaller they find. So how small could a mass less particle become and how would you detect it except when it cluster together to express mass. Barely a century into real science and the still routinely claim to find all there is to find. Why would there be any limit on particle size, differentiating between particles that express mass and particles that do not express mass, except as clusters of particles and then drop below the speed of gravity.

    • no, everything simply got exciting, it's a mandatory now, like please or sir used to be
  • "We haven't actually observed many of these at all." : This is a purely theoretical particle that has never been observed but I want to imply that it's real.

  • Doesn't make sense (Score:5, Interesting)

    by lgw ( 121541 ) on Saturday March 07, 2020 @03:11PM (#59806534) Journal

    If such a gas of d-star hexaquarks was floating around in the early Universe as it cooled in the wake of the Big Bang, according to the team's modelling, it could come together to form Bose-Einstein condensates. And those condensates could be what we now call dark matter.

    This doesn't make much sense. Bose-Einstein condensates are cold. The early universe was very hot: the universe was around 370,000 years old when the average temperature dropped below 3000 K. We have direct evidence from the CMBR that the universe had the same proportion of dark matter then and now. In fact, that's what cinched the "cold dark matter" theory, as MOND and MACHOs didn't predict that.

    So, whatever dark matter is, it's unbothered by temperatures of 3000 K. Doesn't sound much like a Bose-Einstein condensate. Presumably the authors of the paper know this, and it's just TFS that's confused.

    • by burtosis ( 1124179 ) on Saturday March 07, 2020 @03:31PM (#59806574)
      The stable range for baryonic condensate with an isoscalar nucleus are different from nucleonic condensates as you refer to. See section 2 and then appendix B [iop.org].
    • It gets much worse (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Roger W Moore ( 538166 ) on Saturday March 07, 2020 @07:59PM (#59806930) Journal
      First, the only evidence we have for such a state comes from one experiment which was not even certain enough of their result to claim "discovery", only "evidence". In addition, that suggested a lifetime of 1E-23 seconds. The paper says that to make it stable you need a Bose-Einstein condensate of about 1,000 dibaryons and you need these to be created and bind all within 1E-23 seconds otherwise they will decay.

      The problem with this is that it requires an insanely high production rate of dibaryons in the early universe - the paper has their production rate exceeding the production rate of normal baryons several times over when the Quark-Gluon plasma (QGP) condenses. However, we have produced QGP in heavy-ion collisions at the LHC and yet (as far as I know) no LHC experiment has seen any evidence of dibaryon production despite the prediction that it should exceed normal baryon production many times over. There may not be enough to make the BEC but the dibaryon production and then decay should surely be noticeable given the predicted rates exceed the observed baryon flux many times over. This also has potential consequences for nucleosynthesis in the early universe which is one of the triumphs of the Big Bang model but I could not see this discussed anywhere in the paper.

      Then there is the question about why this BEC would be Dark Matter. The paper claims that the highly electrically charged condensate would attract electrons and become neutral and may be very hard to observe astronomically today. However, they completely fail to discuss its interactions with the plasma that filled the universe and which gave rise to the Cosmic Microwave Background. If they existed why were these highly charged (but massive) "nuclei" not bound to that plasma? While their mass would be far larger than ordinary nuclei their charge is also similarly much higher. A key property of Dark Matter is that it was completely decoupled from this plasma which is why the CMB shows fine-scale temperature variations.

      It's a neat idea to think about but if you want people to take a new model of Dark Matter seriously you do need to show how it is consistent with current data from particle physics and cosmology, not just visible light astronomy. It's possible that there are good answers to the questions above but these should have been addressed in the paper.
      • by lgw ( 121541 )

        The paper claims that the highly electrically charged condensate would attract electrons and become neutral and may be very hard to observe astronomically today. However, they completely fail to discuss its interactions with the plasma that filled the universe and which gave rise to the Cosmic Microwave Background. If they existed why were these highly charged (but massive) "nuclei" not bound to that plasma? While their mass would be far larger than ordinary nuclei their charge is also similarly much higher. A key property of Dark Matter is that it was completely decoupled from this plasma which is why the CMB shows fine-scale temperature variations.

        It's a neat idea to think about but if you want people to take a new model of Dark Matter seriously you do need to show how it is consistent with current data from particle physics and cosmology, not just visible light astronomy. It's possible that there are good answers to the questions above but these should have been addressed in the paper.

        Well put. Plus, anything that has bound electrons can have inelastic collisions, and so simply couldn't produce the spherical dark matter halos needed to explain galaxy rotation rates.

        • Actually, after I wrote the post another reason to doubt the paper occurred to me. This hexaquark state has the same quark composition as a deuterium nucleus but yet has a mass several hundred MeV higher. So, if you are going to claim massive production of this state you also have to explain why there is not also a massive rate of deuterium production that far exceeds the rate of this hexaquark state. You would have to have all the same constituents as deuterium present and then somehow stop them from formi
  • by ITRambo ( 1467509 ) on Saturday March 07, 2020 @03:22PM (#59806560)
    Hmm. This just might mean that there is a path for the equivalent of sub-space communications once we establish contact and a connection to said condensate. That is very exciting, since an instantaneous communication, over vast distances, network already exists. We just have to figure out how to use it.
  • by joe_frisch ( 1366229 ) on Saturday March 07, 2020 @05:36PM (#59806742)

    Probably just my ignorance, but why wouldn't these interact thought the strong force with other matter? That would seem to suggest a cross section far to high to be consistent with dark matter modes. Anyone understand why these would be nearly non-interacting?

  • Physicists think we might have a new, exciting Easter Bunny candidate.

    At least bunnies are a real thing, and not just invented ad-hoc out of nothing because a cherished belief about gravity being the only major force in the universe was falsified by evidence.
  • Read the article quickly. It did not define what the stability meant in terms of halflife and decay products. This kind of info is key to determining how stable it is and if it can be a DM candidate, it just said "1000s or millions"
    I like the results, and did not find any errors in a 1st glance, however that is a key followup and could even potentially be explored at the LHC before looking for signatures of it's decay.
    Nice new idea... article needs a drop more work, and lov

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