SXSW Canceled Due To Coronavirus After Austin Declares 'Local Disaster' (cnbc.com) 95
South by Southwest, the annual tech, film and music conference held in Austin, Texas, has been canceled due to concerns surrounding the COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak. From a report: Local government officials announced the update at a press conference Friday afternoon discussing the status of the outbreak and events in the city. Austin's Mayor Steve Adler said he had declared a local disaster in the city and issued an order canceling the conference. In a statement on its website, SXSW said it would "faithfully follow the City's directions." "We are devastated to share this news with you," organizers wrote in a statement on the SXSW website. The show must go on is in our DNA, and this is the first time in 34 years that the March event will not take place. We are now working through the ramifications of this unprecedented situation." Austin officials said there are no confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Travis County, where Austin is located. But confirmed cases around the world passed 100,000 Friday.
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I feel safe because Mike "pray the gay away" Pence is the US Corona Virus Czar.
He's not in charge of anything, he's just funneling info from the people in charge to the media and Trump (who prefers to talk about how great the response is doing in polls).
Now, the people in charge don't exactly inspire confidence, but who am I to judge the "experts" and "scientists" who keep telling us obvious lies and suppressing basic info about testing?
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I feel safe because Mike "pray the gay away" Pence is the US Corona Virus Czar.
He's not in charge of anything, he's just funneling info from the people in charge to the media and Trump (who prefers to talk about how great the response is doing in polls).
I think he's also the Red Shirt -- the fall guy who gets the blame if this goes south in a really serious way. Trump then has cover to replace him with Nikki Haley on the 2020 ticket -- something that Trump has been hinting at anyway.
Now, the people in charge don't exactly inspire confidence, but who am I to judge the "experts" and "scientists" who keep telling us obvious lies and suppressing basic info about testing?
Perhaps you should judge the people who have been trying to dismantle the CDC, so that the only "experts" and "scientists" left deserve those designations in quotation marks. Who might those people be?
Insurance... (Score:2)
People were starting to bail.
SxSW and many other providers, organizers, etc were looking at blow out losses that the Insurance companies would not cover. So, Local Disaster declaration and Shazaam! Insurance covers all loses.
The consensus is that a good number of people will still show p since they have plane tickets, hotel reservations, etc and an underground SxSW will take place. Which, for locals is good because for many years now they have really been pushed uot due to high prices and crowds.
Re:"no confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Travis Count (Score:5, Insightful)
Proof this whole situation is being completely overblown.
Do you really want thousands of people, some of whom are quite possibly infected, all coming together to mix at various events in close proximity, and then flying back home to potentially spread the virus locally?
Yeah, it sucks to cancel it but right now, given what we know, it makes sense as a precaution.
Microsoft, Google, Twitter, Cisco, and Amazon are all telling their people to work from home. Do you think they're overreacting? I live just outside of Seattle, and I sure as hell don't.
Re:"no confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Travis Count (Score:5, Insightful)
Even if this delays the arrival of the virus in the county by a couple of weeks, that'll make a difference. By the end of this month local public health agencies will have their test kits and some of the panic buying will have subsided.
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Also, as diseases propagate through a population, they tend to become less lethal. This is especially true with a new zoonosis disease that is not yet fully adapted to human hosts.
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This panic is totally strange. I ran out of rice a few weeks ago and went to buy a new 25lb bag from the local asian market. I got one of the last 2. WTF? They are normally piled to the ceiling. I asked the cashier about it and he said - oh yea, we've sold about 200 of those in the last week; we've had to limit it to just 2 bags/customer. Just to be clear - our asian market moved FIVE THOUSAND pounds of rice in a week. What. The. Fuck.
A 25lb bag of rice lasts my family about 18 months (~1 cup of ri
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Microsoft, Google, Twitter, Cisco, and Amazon are all telling their people to work from home. Do you think they're overreacting?
They're not just telling people to work from home, each of those companies, Microsoft [businessinsider.com] Amazon [usatoday.com] Google [indiatimes.com] Twitter [theverge.com] Cisco [businessinsider.com], has had one or more employees come up positive for COVID-19.
Overreacting? Hell no. If anybody dies of COVID-19 spread through the workplace of any of these deep pocketed tech companies, you can be sure there will be lawsuits galore.
Re:Why not? (Score:5, Informative)
If they are careful, why not?
Because they'll be infectious before they feel sick. And the way to slow the rate of new infections is to reduce the transmission fanout. And the reason to slow the rate of new infections is so our hospitals and business can have an easier time adapting and ramping up.
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[Because they'll be infectious before they feel sick.] I literally JUST TOLD YOU that is false. A number of sources are saying you are not infectious before you feel sick. It turns out the people who claimed they "did not feel sick" earlier were taking things like cough syrup....
Then, using your own example, they will "act like" a person who doesn't feel sick would act, even when they are infectious. If anything that reinforces my point that such people would attend SXSW.
I think the precise boundary of "do they feel sick" is a wavy one. Most people just shrug it off and say "yes I have a mild cough" (heck I've been coughing several times a day for the past three months because that's just how inflamed my airways get). Or say "yeah I had a bit of a headache but then I often do so it
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I think the precise boundary of "do they feel sick" is a wavy one. Most people just shrug it off and say "yes I have a mild cough" (heck I've been coughing several times a day for the past three months because that's just how inflamed my airways get)
This is because they probably don't feel all that sick. Even if they have the Illness du jour Coronavirus.
In general, the people that should be protected from this flu are the standard groups, the very young, the immunocomprised, and the very elderly. Those are the groups who already more likely to expire from any given flu on any given year.
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Because they'll be infectious before they feel sick.
I literally JUST TOLD YOU that is false.
A number of sources are saying you are not infectious before you feel sick.
It turns out the people who claimed they "did not feel sick" earlier were taking things like cough syrup....
You aren't going to convince the panicked that they shouldn't panic.
We are in an unholy merging of safety culture, the media, and conspiracy whack-a-doodles that is actually getting us to shut down and hide in our metaphorical basements.
We can look forward to continual and increasing panic in the future Look at SARS as the advance trailer, the CoronaVirus as "A New Hope". Soon we'll be in panic paralysis over the common cold. in The "Empire Strikes Back"
So here we are in the trailing edge of flue se
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Wow, the stupids are out today...
How many more people will the tornado continue to kill?
Big fat zero...
Already 11 million deaths so we shouldn't try to stop another few million if we can?
You know it's just starting and can only get worse right? America will be hit hard. Quarantine incompetence. Not having stockpiled supplies incompetence. Not having decent healthcare for poor people incompetence. Not even having or testing people incompetence. And to top it all off, complete morons like yourself telling
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Wow, the stupids are out today...
How many more people will the tornado continue to kill? Big fat zero...
Already 11 million deaths so we shouldn't try to stop another few million if we can?
You know it's just starting and can only get worse right? America will be hit hard. Quarantine incompetence. Not having stockpiled supplies incompetence. Not having decent healthcare for poor people incompetence. Not even having or testing people incompetence. And to top it all off, complete morons like yourself telling everyone it's no big deal, because something else also killed some people.
Complete asswipes that think it's like the flu. Yea it's like the flu but worse, and no vaccine which at risk people would take... Jeez you fuckers are thick.
And you dear coward, are batshit insane. I replied so the intelligent people that block your crap can see just how deep your insanity goes.
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I literally JUST TOLD YOU that is false.
No, you told him a number of places said it is false. Others say it's true.
Some people say the earth is flat.
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[Because they'll be infectious before they feel sick]. I literally JUST TOLD YOU that is false. A number of sources are saying you are not infectious before you feel sick. It turns out the people who claimed they "did not feel sick" earlier were taking things like cough syrup....
SuperKendall, I wonder where is the source of your certainty? Is it from anecdotes? Because it seems to be contradicted by science:
https://www.theguardian.com/sc... [theguardian.com]
Re: Why not? (Score:5, Insightful)
Medical workers who were told to quarantine themselves have already gone out and infected others or gone to large gatherings, but you think anyone at SXSW with the sniffles will decide to just stay in their hotel room?
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Medical workers who were told to quarantine themselves have already gone out and infected others or gone to large gatherings, but you think anyone at SXSW with the sniffles will decide to just stay in their hotel room?
Just for the record, the symptoms of COVID-19 are:
- Fever
- Cough
- Shortness of breath
Symptoms may appear 2 to 14 days after exposure.
Re:Why not? (Score:4, Insightful)
Do you really want thousands of people, some of whom are quite possibly infected, all coming together to mix at various events in close proximity,
If they are careful, why not?
Holy fuckballs, you really are as dumb as people here say you are. I always gave you the benefit of the doubt, but no more. You are dangerously stupid, period.
So..."Be careful"? Like, don't breathe or sneeze or cough?
Re:Why not? (Score:5, Insightful)
If they are careful, why not?
Careful people don't go to conferences during pandemics.
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Careful people don't go to conferences during pandemics.
Wish I had mod points. This is priceless.
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I would rather because I like the numbers where they are.
I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship.
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Not really, given what we know, which includes precautions attendees can take which are highly effective, along with a policy of absolutely no-one showing signs of sickness attending. So far a number of places have said people are not contagious before presenting symptoms. The same way you check badges, (and the same places) check temperature, as they are doing in other places.
Asymptomatic transmission has been confirmed in multiple instances and symptomatic transmission does not necessarily include fever.
Once it spreads within your community because nobody decided to take the threat seriously it's too little too late.
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I would rather because I like the numbers where they are.
I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship.
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If they are careful, why not?
Because they aren't careful. If people were careful the seasonal flu wouldn't be a thing. The average human comes in contact with their own mucus gland 20 times an hour to say nothing about the projectile related risks due to coughing, or sneezing.
People who say this thing can be beaten by being careful and washing hands really seem to be completely detached from the realities of our species.
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People who say this thing can be beaten by being careful and washing hands really seem to be completely detached from the realities of our species.
And people who are in a blind panic, willing to shut down the world are the ones who are completely attached to reality?
Stay in that basement, and don't drink Corona Beer.
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People who say this thing can be beaten by being careful and washing hands really seem to be completely detached from the realities of our species.
And people who are in a blind panic, willing to shut down the world are the ones who are completely attached to reality?
Stay in that basement, and don't drink Corona Beer.
Yes. That's how containment works. Fortunately no one has shut down the world. Jeesh I thought Apple has rabbid fanboys, didn't think SXSW would have some too.
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People who say this thing can be beaten by being careful and washing hands really seem to be completely detached from the realities of our species.
And people who are in a blind panic, willing to shut down the world are the ones who are completely attached to reality?
Stay in that basement, and don't drink Corona Beer.
Yes. That's how containment works. Fortunately no one has shut down the world. Jeesh I thought Apple has rabbid fanboys, didn't think SXSW would have some too.
If I were planning on a military action against another country, now is when I'd start it. I'd send out armies Coronavirus infected (or simply the claim of it) soldiers, and take over while people are either in their basements or running away from my soldiers. Victory without a shot fired in anger.
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Victory by killing 3% of mostly vulnerable people?
This has to be the worst military strategy I've ever heard, not to mention that technically this would be in breach of the Geneva convention.
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Victory by killing 3% of mostly vulnerable people?
This has to be the worst military strategy I've ever heard, not to mention that technically this would be in breach of the Geneva convention.
The actual death rate isn't important - I agree, if it was a weaponized virus, it would have to be the worst weapon ever.
The armies would win the war because in the present day panic, no one would come out and fight.
Granted though, the whole setup I made was tongue in cheek. I was put an an antibiotic for a tooth problem and it's better than laughing gas - everything makes me laugh. So my posts the next few days aren't to be taken seriously.
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You've justified cancelling SXSW but that's still hardly a Local Disaster.
So is the real story that the SXSW organisers refused to cooperate and cancel, so he's had to enact specific legislation that grants the authority to force it?
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So is the real story that the SXSW organisers refused to cooperate and cancel, so he's had to enact specific legislation that grants the authority to force it?
Relax, you're still welcome to lick all the doorknobs you want.
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That's very kind of you, I shall lick as many as I always have.
None.
But fuck you and your inability to engage in reasoned discussion, you miserable cunt.
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But fuck you and your inability to engage in reasoned discussion, you miserable cunt.
I'm sorry you're so easily triggered, maybe you could go find a nice safe space to cower in?
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Do you really want thousands of people, some of whom are quite possibly infected, all coming together to mix at various events in close proximity
So you mean like the bu... er homeless people that infest Austin because they've not only got a hands-off policy with them, but made a law that they could camp fucking anywhere, which the state had to make a law to counteract it? Yeah, that would be awful.
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So you mean like the bu... er homeless people that infest Austin because they've not only got a hands-off policy with them, but made a law that they could camp fucking anywhere, which the state had to make a law to counteract it? Yeah, that would be awful.
We're talking about the coronavirus, not homeless people. Do try to keep up.
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If it only affected SXSW participants, then it'd be a good thing, but yeah the infecting the innocent is too bad a side effect.
Re:"no confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Travis Count (Score:5, Informative)
Before there are documented cases is PRECISELY when to take proactive steps. Waiting until there's a documented case means that there are another 80 or so cases you have no idea about, and by then it's far too late.
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It does kind of sound like people in the US are freaking out even though things are going pretty well for them.
Some perspective: Europe has about 5 times as many new infections in a single day as the US has cases in total. Europe has something like ~25 times the number of infected compared to the US.
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I suspect the phrase "local disaster" as an official declaration allows people to claim against travel insurance, and has various other financial implications and provides support for those who were planning to attend and those planning to host.
Why not broadcast it? (Score:5, Insightful)
No, I'm serious.
Virtual sessions, broadcast channels, use the same tech they used for interactive booths to allow the audience to post questions with a delay filter.
I mean, if universities can decide to broadcast all their courses, seminars, and conferences online, why can't the tech-capable SXSW crowd do it?
Now, excuse me, I have a chemistry class to interact with online for seminar ...
Re:Why not broadcast it? (Score:4, Interesting)
I mean, if universities can decide to broadcast all their courses, seminars, and conferences online, why can't the tech-capable SXSW crowd do it?
SXSW is primarily a social event. The themes are the seed, not the crystal.
People can Google shit and hang out on Discord without paying SXSW admission prices.
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So you're saying Skynet created the Corona virus to trick us into joining a Matrix?
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SXSW is primarily a social event.
All conferences are really.
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Because there's no point of SXSW if you can't circlejerk in person.
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Why go to any conference? Why go to concerts? The fact is, if you just want to transmit knowledge, in person isn't required. But if you want a shared experience, it is.
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annual tech, film and music conference
Nah, it's an advertising conference. Just like Comic(and video games and anime and movies and Verizon and...)Con.
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Yeah, if SXSW was really just a music and movie festival, there isn't much reason why it couldn't just be streamed online.
Now, if it's real reason to exist is just a giant viral marketing ploy and an excuse to jack up hotel prices for a few weeks... Well, that's (thankfully) harder to replicate using live streaming.
Follow the money (Score:5, Interesting)
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"Austin Mayor Steve Adler said he had declared a local disaster in the city and issued an order canceling the conference. "
How does that fit your narrative?
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"Austin Mayor Steve Adler said he had declared a local disaster in the city and issued an order canceling the conference. "
How does that fit your narrative?
Most contracts have a Force majeure [wikipedia.org] clause which means that they aren't responsible if certain disasters are declared by government entities.
I don't know where to look to find this particular conference's T&C's but it probably has such a clause.
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There's no force majeure for a conference which can be held at any time. If SXSW ever hooks a conference again they can be forced to accept the previously paid admissions. Force majeure are for one off or time sensitive contacts.
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pro tip: zinc lozenges to arrest infection (Score:1, Troll)
Put some zinc lozenges in your medicine cabinet. When you get that first tickle in your throat or slightly stuffy nose, you have the beginning of either the flu or covid19, and you should start the zinc lozenges as directed on the package. The virus has a real hard time moving down your zinc covered throat into your lungs, which would ordinarily be its next stop, to make you start coughing it all over the place. Taken early, the zinc lozenges abbreviate these illnesses.
Re:pro tip: zinc lozenges to arrest infection (Score:5, Funny)
I also heard you can swing a dead cat at midnight to ward off evil spirits
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How should I do that? Over-head? Clockwise or counter-clockwise? Don't just tease us with all that. This is important. We need specific instructions. Also, we're going to have to be careful because in many places you can't swing a dead cat without hitting various things, and some of those things are not good to hit.
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I also heard you can swing a dead cat at midnight to ward off evil spirits
First time I've ever had to type LOL on Slashdot!
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I also heard you can swing a dead cat at midnight to ward off evil spirits
He'd BETTER be dead, otherwise you're about to lose an arm or a hand once you stop swinging.
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Clinical study proof (Score:4, Informative)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... [nih.gov]
"Results
The mean common cold duration was 33% (95% CI 21% to 45%) shorter for the zinc groups of the seven included trials. Three trials that used lozenges composed of zinc acetate found that colds were shortened by 40% and four trials that used zinc gluconate by 28%. The difference between the two salts was not significant: 12 percentage points (95% CI: 12 to+36). Five trials used zinc doses of 80–92mg/day, common cold duration was reduced by 33%, and two trials used zinc doses of 192–207mg/day and found an effect of 35%. The difference between the high-dose and low-dose zinc trials was not significant: 2 percentage points (95% CI: 29 to+32)."
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I'd try it but unknown with this new virus what would happen
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I'd try it but unknown with this new virus what would happen
All the shelves would be empty, and people would be selling them for $500 a packet on Amazon / eBay.
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most people don't know it's good for reducing cold severity (proved by peer reviewed stury) and there are piles of the stuff at walgreens and similar chain stores. that said, could be utterly useless against this new virus.
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How is an article talking about Rhinovirus proof of anything about Influenza or Coronavirus other than proof of your complete ignorance on medical matters?
Clinical study something (Score:2)
How is an article talking about Rhinovirus proof of anything about Influenza or Coronavirus other than proof of your complete ignorance on medical matters?
How does you not even knowing what a cold is prove anything other than your ignorance on medical matters?
The only time rhinovirus was even mentioned was in a reference to something else.
Perhaps you need to find out what a cold [wikipedia.org] is.
The study never mentioned the cause of the colds other than to say they were 'naturally acquired'. They never bothered to check the cause. You are just assuming it was a rhinovirus. Influenza viruses and coronavirus can both also cause colds.
(Not that i would put much faith in
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You're only half right. Does stop the sore throat within hours and lessens cold dramatically but is useless for influenza. I'd try it for other caronavirus but might not work
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But, what about influenza?
It is killing several magnitudes more.
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SARS-CoV-2, at least the form spreading outside of China, is actually not much more unhealthy than the viruses that cause the common cold and influenza. This is just ridiculous over-reaction, to say the least.
Re:But, what about influenza? (Score:4, Informative)
SARS-CoV-2, at least the form spreading outside of China, is actually not much more unhealthy than the viruses that cause the common cold and influenza. This is just ridiculous over-reaction, to say the least.
What's ridiculous is failure to learn from recent history. Look at what just happened to the death rates in Wuhan as a result of hospitals being overrun.
When double digit percent of people infected require hospitalization and there are no beds available come back here and tell us all about how much this is just another flu and just how low the true honest CFR is once you count everyone who doesn't know they even have it.
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I would rather because I like the numbers where they are.
I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship.
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Next, they'll say "It's just a cold, what do you need a hospital for? Buck up."
The virus hit China first, but it's like it was made just for us. Some Americans consider it a greater threat to their ego than their health. They're more threatened by the people trying to help than the virus.
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Ah, I think you're forgetting that in China, you have two huge issues that have compromised pulmonary systems there:
1. Decades to uncontrolled burning of coal for electric power plants in urban and industrial areas. All those oxides of nitrogen and sulfur, particulates and heavy metals aren't good for your longs.
2. The Chinese are notorious heavy smokers. Indeed, 48% of all men are habitual smokers of cigarettes, no thanks to the China Tobacco monopoly.
This is why when SARS-CoV-2 first appeared, it spread i
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Ah, I think you're forgetting that in China, you have two huge issues that have compromised pulmonary systems there:
1. Decades to uncontrolled burning of coal for electric power plants in urban and industrial areas. All those oxides of nitrogen and sulfur, particulates and heavy metals aren't good for your longs.
2. The Chinese are notorious heavy smokers. Indeed, 48% of all men are habitual smokers of cigarettes, no thanks to the China Tobacco monopoly.
Not clear to me why this would be relevant to the issue at hand.
There area areas of China where CFR is under 1%.. areas of high density infection where healthcare facilities were overwhelmed CFRs were many times higher.
Is the assertion China is an outlier and double digit percentage of those who get the infection won't require hospital admission in other countries? This has not been the case in Italy.... perhaps Italy is an outlier because it is full of "old people" ?
It didn't ring true in Iran either with
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Seriously, who gives a !&$@ (Score:1)
No useful denominator (Score:1)
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Masks are for sick people to hold their virus in, not healthy people to keep the virus out. CDC guidance is that you are more likely to carry the virus around on the mask infecting other people (and yourself when you remove the mask) than to prevent infections.