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America's Coronavirus Testing Lags Far Behind South Korea and China (axios.com) 276

The news site Axios (founded by former Politico staffers) reports on an issue discovered at an Atlanta lab for America's Centers for Disease Control that was manufacturing "relatively small amounts" of coronavirus testing kits for laboratories around the country. Sources familiar with the situation in Atlanta tell them that manufacturing has now been moved to another lab.

FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn confirmed to the site that there had been problems with "certain test components." The Commissioner also said the problems had been resolved and "were due to a manufacturing issue," and said the FDA has confidence in the current manufacturing of the tests they're distributing, which "have passed extensive quality control procedures and will provide the high-level of diagnostic accuracy we need..."

Axios adds that "It was not immediately clear if or how possible contamination in the Atlanta lab played a role in delays or problems" that America's been experiencing with its coronavirus testing: The U.S. government had admitted to problems with its diagnostic tests -- which have put the U.S. well behind China and South Korea in doing large-scale testing of the American public for the coronavirus... As of Friday, South Korea had tested 65,000 people for the coronavirus; the U.S. had tested only 459, per Science Magazine. China can reportedly conduct up to 1.6 million tests a week. Although the World Health Organization has sent testing kits to 57 other countries, the U.S. decided to make its own.

There have also been problems with the tests themselves. On Feb. 12, the FDA announced that health labs across the country were having problems validating the CDC's diagnostic test, Science reports in an in-depth account of what went wrong with the tests.

The FDA announced yesterday that public health labs can create their own diagnostic test. Scott Becker, the CEO of the Association of Public Health Laboratories, told Science that he expects that public health labs will be able to do 10,000 tests a day by the end of the week.

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America's Coronavirus Testing Lags Far Behind South Korea and China

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  • by fustakrakich ( 1673220 ) on Sunday March 01, 2020 @10:19PM (#59785888) Journal

    Will the same be true in the states?

    • by burtosis ( 1124179 ) on Sunday March 01, 2020 @10:36PM (#59785916)

      Will the same be true in the states?

      Hahahahahaha no. Oh, before you ask, no we don’t have sick days by right either. You must be new to America.

      • I do. I live in California. Who'd you vote for?
        • by burtosis ( 1124179 ) on Sunday March 01, 2020 @10:58PM (#59785968)
          Sick days aren’t guaranteed by federal laws. Only 8 states have them, the vast majority of Americans don’t live in Arizona,California.Connecticut.District of Columbia. Maryland. Massachusetts. Oregon. or Rhode Island.
          • Or Vermont.
            • by Cat Fart ( 6628968 ) on Monday March 02, 2020 @12:09AM (#59786108)
              Vermont? They haven't even tested the population equivalent to that of your state. ;)

              the U.S. had tested only 459

              We have the CDC running around playing make-believe that they have any idea what is going on. My guess is that tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans are infected or have been infected over the months and have shown few or no symptoms. Look up how many people fly in a sealed tube and cough on each other every day.

              What the CDC has done is to have a sample set roughly equivalent to a single point. They need to be testing tens of thousands as they have that many tests available and more in the pipeline. What they are continuing to do is negligent!

              • Negligent? We've put Dr. Pence on the job. He'll get it done with thoughts & prayers.

                Anyway, if our testing lags behind, that's actually a good thing. Maybe we can keep them in the dark until after the election. Wouldn't want to end up with a healthcare system, now.

              • The CDC has indeed been caught flat-footed, the pandemic response team was gutted in 2018 by the executive branch and not replaced [snopes.com]. In order to quickly spin up a response you need a team assembled and ready before a pandemic hits.

                This seems to be a classic case of penny-wise and pound-foolish attempts from the executive branch to save money. Or perhaps a more cynical view is it's a classic case of crippling a government agency so that it fails at its tasks and it becomes more politically expedient to priv

          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            Only 8 states have them,

            That's an extremely misleading statement, which I imagine was intentional.

            The eight states listed have laws guaranteeing sick leave - but that doesn't mean people living in other states don't get sick leave. I have sick leave, for example, even though I don't live in any of those states. All my employed friends and family who live here also have sick leave. For some of them it's separate sick leave, while for others it's a pool of shared leave days - but they all have it.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Bobrick ( 5220289 )
      The same test kit that cost between 5 and 10$ pretty much anywhere in the world is about 3200$ in the US. How did you expect it to be any way else? Capitalism... they call it the best we've come up with!
      • Supply and demand, baby. Enjoy getting fisted by the invisible hand.

      • Non-socialized health care = profit from human death and misery. The argument that capitalism fuels innovation is refuted by SK and CH's rapid response to this threat vs US's slow response.
      • by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Monday March 02, 2020 @05:42AM (#59786554)

        The same test kit that cost between 5 and 10$ pretty much anywhere in the world is about 3200$ in the US. How did you expect it to be any way else? Capitalism... they call it the best we've come up with!

        If capitalism were at work in American healthcare, there would be competition and the price would come down. The high price tells you that medicine is a monopoly.

  • This can't be true (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hyades1 ( 1149581 ) <hyades1@hotmail.com> on Sunday March 01, 2020 @10:35PM (#59785912)

    America has the best health care system in the world. There's no way Third World garbage countries could do better than the United States of America at providing health care for their citizens.

    Where's that damned sarcasm emoji?

  • by kbahey ( 102895 ) on Sunday March 01, 2020 @10:37PM (#59785922) Homepage

    This was on the news tonight: the Canadian province of British Columbia has tested more people for COVID-19 than the entire United States [globalnews.ca].

    For reference, B.C.'s population is about 5.1 million.
    The entire population of Canada is less than 12% that of the USA.

    Let this sink in for a bit ...

    While the majority of Americans still believe in corporate propaganda and vote against universal health care, branding it as socialist (as if that is bad), and so on ... all to their detriment, and just making the powerful more and more rich ...

  • it probably costs 10x as much in this country.

  • by schwit1 ( 797399 ) on Sunday March 01, 2020 @10:57PM (#59785966)

    https://www.reuters.com/video/... [reuters.com]

    Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar on Sunday would not predict how many Americans would contract coronavirus, but said the U.S., which currently has the capability to test 75,000 people "in the field," is planning a "radical expansion" beyond that in the coming weeks.

    • Please specify, what's supposed to expand radically? Because the way it looks, they mean the infection rate.

  • Will save us, so don’t worry, you know just pray and go to church, and then you will not be punished for your sins. If you are sick, you did something to deserve it.

    Our situations is exactly what you would expect from people who value gut feelings over science. Pence is in charge of this, and he is on record as saying that smoking does not kill and condoms do not work. If he is write then we are screed because defense against desires like this depends on our understanding of barriers and breathing.

    • by aeropage ( 6536406 ) on Sunday March 01, 2020 @11:59PM (#59786076)

      You know nothing about religion, or science, or the history or practice of the two.

      Here's a start. [wikipedia.org]

      • by shilly ( 142940 ) on Monday March 02, 2020 @01:41AM (#59786242)

        Here's an amazing fact for you: just because some Christians are capable of practising science without allowing their scientific practice to be damaged by their religious beliefs, that does not imply that Pence is capable of understanding science without allowing his understanding to be damaged by his religious beliefs. In case you hadn't noticed, he's in charge of the science of this, but he's not only not a scientist, but he makes no claim to be a scientist, so your list of religious scientists is completely irrelevant.

        Here's another amazing fact for you: the key phrase is in the OP's post was "Our situations is exactly what you would expect from people who value gut feelings over science". Your entire critique is based on a strawman that reads more like "Our situations is exactly what you would expect from religious doing science".

        If you were a religious person hoping to demonstrate that religion is no barrier to the kind of clear thinking that science (and the coronavirus crisis) require, you've done a terrible job of it. Thank god for that list of people you posted. What's the phrase that comes to mind? Oh yes, "You are vastly cognitively inferior to, in both religion and science, every single person on the list."

        • I said nothing about Pence. I addressed faith and its supposed antipathy to science.

          Most every scientific discovery that allows us to even address virology and the genetics behind it were, in fact, discovered by people on that list. Try reviewing it, and have the intellectual honesty to allow yourself to have evidence regarding your positions.

          • by shilly ( 142940 )

            As I said, you fought with a strawman in your head. And you are continuing to do so.

            The OP referred to:
            1. Pence
            2. Faith-based healing. Not science-based healthcare carried out by people of faith, or healthcare based on the scientific work of people of faith.
            3. "People who value gut feelings over science". Not science-based healthcare carried out by people of faith, or healthcare based on the scientific work of people of faith.

            And in my post, I specifically didn't make any assertion along the lines of a supp

        • he's not only not a scientist, but he makes no claim to be a scientist

          Kinda like Ronald A. Klain, a lawyer and Obama's Ebola Czar.

      • by tsa ( 15680 )

        Woosh.

      • Their most amazing achievement is that they didn't let religion get into the way of science. That is something I can actually applaud.

      • by djinn6 ( 1868030 )

        That list would be more convincing if being a heathen was not punishable by death during their lifetimes.

        • No it wouldn't. That's irrelevant to science. As is the enormously higher number of people killed and scientists imprisoned by Stalin and Mao, for not being atheist.

  • by TomGreenhaw ( 929233 ) on Sunday March 01, 2020 @10:59PM (#59785972)
    China gave up testing when their capacity was overloaded. If it quacks its a duck; the symptoms of this disease are unfortunately well understood and the diagnosis isn't complicated. This disease is new and expecting the people involved in testing to be ready to handle millions of blood tests stretches credulity.

    Let's face it, a bunch of us are gonna get really sick and the weakest are going to die. Changing what you do every day based on hysteria is stupid. Maybe the thing will burn out and go away. Ride it out - we have no other choice. Overreacting is probably way more damaging.

    We should take this as a wake up call. The government needs to treat disease as a national defense policy. We need vaccines more than we need drones and spaceships.

    While we're at it, let's all buy cruise ship tickets to China for all the anti-vaxxers.
  • by sethmeisterg ( 603174 ) on Sunday March 01, 2020 @11:07PM (#59785990)
    Shit stops working. Who would have thought that?
    • by melted ( 227442 ) on Monday March 02, 2020 @12:49AM (#59786178) Homepage

      Fake news: the Trump administration attempted to reduce funding to the CDC (and to a lot of other agencies as well), but it was maintained by Congress. Executive branch merely proposes the budget, they don't decide what's in the final version of it.

      • by shilly ( 142940 ) on Monday March 02, 2020 @01:49AM (#59786256)

        Don't be a dumbass. The Trump administration has killed the things it has direct control over, and put placemen in charge to fuck up the rest.

        "In 2018 alone, on the day that the World Health Organization called Ebola in the Democratic Republic of Congo a Public Health Emergency of International Concern, the administration recalled $252 million in emergency response funds for rapid response to outbreaks. 2018 also saw the shutdown of the National Security Council’s global health security unit, the dissolution of the Department of Homeland Security’s epidemic response teams and decimation to the funding of the CDC’s global health section, reducing the number of countries where the CDC worked from 49 to 10."

        These things happened. They were done by the Trump administration. They were stupid moves and they hurt the US's response to coronavirus. It's truly pathetic to see you lot breaking stuff and then pretending you didn't.

        https://eu.usatoday.com/story/... [usatoday.com]

  • CDC is MIA (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Cyberax ( 705495 ) on Sunday March 01, 2020 @11:13PM (#59786002)
    The CDC is showing incompetence. They needed to release guidelines for testing 1 month ago, all major hospitals can do RTPCR tests and primers can be readily available from multiple commercial suppliers within hours to days. Instead we got an insufficient number of faulty pre-made kits. The official guidance allowing labs to just use the RTPCR was released just two days ago.

    It now turns out that the personnel overseeing the quarantine of the evacuated people was not properly trained in isolation protocols. Not surprising, since the CDC's pandemic response team was disbanded 2 years ago (to pay for his tax cuts).

    Yeah, that's what happens when you appoint incompetent flunkies.
    • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

      by _Sharp'r_ ( 649297 )

      One administrator on the National Security Council responsible for coordinating pandemics got fired and two others were re-assigned to report to someone else. That's the sum total of your "disbanding". Had zero effect on the CDC itself.

      The CDC's budget hasn't been cut in decades, let alone during the Trump Administration. Funding was re-allocated by law, a law [apnews.com] passed during the Obama Administration. Trump's budget did _propose_ cutting the chronic disease budget back to enable the CDC to focus their work on

      • by Cyberax ( 705495 )

        One administrator on the National Security Council responsible for coordinating pandemics got fired and two others were re-assigned to report to someone else. That's the sum total of your "disbanding". Had zero effect on the CDC itself.

        The pandemic response team was not re-formed afterwards. So yep, it was disbanded. And we're seeing right now that the effects are most definitely there.

        The CDC's budget hasn't been cut in decades, let alone during the Trump Administration.

        Liar, liar, pants on fire! CDC budget 2016: $7.178 billion, CDC budget 2018: $7.020 billion. Trump administration has CUT the budget, even in absolute numbers. It's even more drastic if the inflation is factored in.

      • by hawguy ( 1600213 )

        One administrator on the National Security Council responsible for coordinating pandemics got fired and two others were re-assigned to report to someone else. That's the sum total of your "disbanding". Had zero effect on the CDC itself.

        Your wrote a lot of words to just agree that the US Pandemic Response Team was disbanded.

        • The point is that's not the team in the CDC which would respond to a pandemic. It's a couple of administrators on the NSC.

          The CDC still has literally billions of dollars dedicated to respond to infectious diseases like coronavirus. Calling one coordinator position on the NSC being eliminated something significant is a gross exaggeration.

  • Scotland and New Zealand are doing drive-through testing while the US only today told State medical labs that they were no longer forbidden to do testing.

    Also, apparently every US Governor is a bitch and didn't tell the CDC to go to hell a week ago which they should have done to protect their citizens.

  • It doesn't matter (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nehumanuscrede ( 624750 ) on Monday March 02, 2020 @12:09AM (#59786112)

    Few folks are going to go to the doctor to get tested to begin with because:

    1) A doctor visit is expensive for many to even consider. My own visits cost between $100-$200 USD just to walk in the door until my deductible is exhausted.
    2) Few folks can afford to be off from work for even a few days. ( No paid sick time ) Extended periods of time ( quarantine ) are right out of the question.
    3) Who takes care of their kids / pets if they get quarantined ?
    4) Who pays for the hospital stay if you test positive and get quarantined ?

    The US has made health care so stupidly expensive only those with outstanding insurance and / or piles of money at their disposal will consider getting tested.

    • True. And in the end it will cost them more than having everyone tested at their expenses and not gotten sick in turn because the sick would have been tended effectively before they could infect them.

      One day of sick leave costs my employer thousands. Right now we're being badgered to do mobile working "whenever possible and there is no compelling reason to be in office". Simply because they fear that if the virus somehow makes it into the building, the sick days alone could cost milliions, just for lost pro

  • by peppepz ( 1311345 ) on Monday March 02, 2020 @02:25AM (#59786312)
    Fellow Americans, stop bickering and get a public healthcare system. It's worth the cost. This illness is serious and spreads very easily, it will kill a lot of people, it will probably cause political turmoil, and it will certainly harm the economy. Better be prepared when it comes.
    • Yeah, let me just wave my magic wand for you.

      It's really easy to tell those silly Americans to just get their shit together and fix the problem you see as obvious. It requires zero effort on your part... and also accomplishes zero. If you have an actual plan for how to get the 30-50% of the voting population who thinks public healthcare is a bad idea (or who thinks it's less important than supporting their team for other reasons), I'm sure supporters of public healthcare would love to hear it. And I mean
  • Please calm down (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BigDukeSix ( 832501 ) on Monday March 02, 2020 @03:42AM (#59786394)

    Practicing physician here. We have a suspected case in our medical ICU right now.

    We sent samples to CDC for testing, but we could damn well run the PCR ourselves if we had to. For that matter, I personally could take a sputum sample, spin it and fix it and put it in the TEM, and make the diagnosis myself without any test kit.

    The sky is not falling. We deal with stuff more contagious than this all the time. We are not laboring, even in the shite US healthcare system, under a lack of clinical information.

    • by djinn6 ( 1868030 )

      The sky is not falling. We deal with stuff more contagious than this all the time.

      Isn't airborne transmission the most contagious kind? Also this one seems to be contagious without any symptoms.

      • Yes, but to his point, measles is super contagious compared to most things. The scariest thing about coronavirus is we can't vaccinate vulnerable populations and there is no immunity in the population at all.
  • Didn't most of our pharmaceutical manufacturing move to places like China? So, could it be that we don't have enough test kits because China is keeping all of them and we have to rebuild the ability to make them here again?

This is clearly another case of too many mad scientists, and not enough hunchbacks.

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