WHO Has Finally Named the New Coronavirus (sciencealert.com) 125
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ScienceAlert: The UN health agency on Tuesday announced that "COVID-19" will be the official name of the deadly virus from China, saying the disease represented a "very grave threat" for the world but there was a "realistic chance" of stopping it. "We now have a name for the disease and it's COVID-19," World Health Organization chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters in Geneva. Tedros said that "co" stands for "corona", "vi" for "virus" and "d" for "disease", while "19" was for the year, as the outbreak was first identified on 31 December.
Tedros said the name had been chosen to avoid references to a specific geographical location, animal species or group of people in line with international recommendations for naming aimed at preventing stigmatization. WHO had earlier given the virus the temporary name of "2019-nCoV acute respiratory disease" and China's National Health Commission this week said it was temporarily calling it "novel coronavirus pneumonia" or NCP. Under a set of guidelines issued in 2015, WHO advises against using place names such as Ebola and Zika -- where those diseases were first identified and which are now inevitably linked to them in the public mind. More general names such as "Middle East Respiratory Syndrome" or "Spanish flu" are also now avoided as they can stigmatize entire regions or ethnic groups. WHO also notes that using animal species in the name can create confusion, such as in 2009 when H1N1 was popularly referred to as "swine flu." This had a major impact on the pork industry even though the disease was being spread by people rather than pigs.
Tedros said the name had been chosen to avoid references to a specific geographical location, animal species or group of people in line with international recommendations for naming aimed at preventing stigmatization. WHO had earlier given the virus the temporary name of "2019-nCoV acute respiratory disease" and China's National Health Commission this week said it was temporarily calling it "novel coronavirus pneumonia" or NCP. Under a set of guidelines issued in 2015, WHO advises against using place names such as Ebola and Zika -- where those diseases were first identified and which are now inevitably linked to them in the public mind. More general names such as "Middle East Respiratory Syndrome" or "Spanish flu" are also now avoided as they can stigmatize entire regions or ethnic groups. WHO also notes that using animal species in the name can create confusion, such as in 2009 when H1N1 was popularly referred to as "swine flu." This had a major impact on the pork industry even though the disease was being spread by people rather than pigs.
Have you seen the people out there? (Score:2)
the disease was being spread by people rather than pigs.
How many pictures of what people do on an airplane to their fellow passengers or how they keep their home or videos of people throwing trash from their moving cars are needed to show people are pigs.
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Yep. Every day someone somewhere puts their foot up in a plane, or throws some garbage from a window. #reasonsallpeoplearehorrible. /sarcasm
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Let me know when you start seeing people throw garbage out the window of a plane.
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Have you not even seen The Gods Must Be Crazy?
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Every day someone somewhere puts their foot up in a plane
Airlines are now including calling out bad behavior on flights as part of their pre-flight briefings [cnn.com]. Meanwhile, reports of sexual assaults are up 66% during the period 2014-2017 on commercial flights.
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66% from what to what? Giving a percentage without totals is meaningless, going from 1 to 2 would be a 100% increase, after all.
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Indeed they are, and yet they are incredibly rare events not even remotely representative of the human population. Maybe Southwest gets the dredges of society in their planes. I for one fly 3 times a month on a plethora of carriers and have never once had an organised announcement about a passenger misbehavior (though the odd case is seen and gets dealt with appropriately).
I honestly question the people you surround yourself with to form your view of humanity. Sounds like you're in a horrid place.
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While we're at it [imgur.com] . . .
What about hurricanes? (Score:2)
Haven't we solved this? There for storms there is an existing list of names and when a new severe hurricane forms we pick a name from the list at random. Why let's do the same for viruses. Sucks if your name is picked (e.g. Katrina Virus) but it seems like the best system we have so far.
Re:What about hurricanes? (Score:5, Funny)
I thought they were already doing that, just with beer names.
Next virus should be called Duff virus
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I would be more inclined to name it "Fucking Hell Virus".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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I knew there was a reason Budweiser gave me the trots...
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Or they can draft the people who name strains of cannabis: "9 Pound Hammer", "Chernobyl", "Red Headed Stranger".
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We should use Roman numerals: Plague XXVII
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Because hurricanes are specific historical events that happened once in a place and time.
Diseases, particularly the new ones were interested in naming, are new and ongoing threats that persist over time and in many geographic locations.
So yes, it would absolutely suck if your name was Eggbert and then now there's an 'Eggbert Virus'. Like naming your child Cooties or Aids.
Re: What about hurricanes? (Score:1)
My kid's name is Cooties. Named after the first gift from my wife.
Politicians, not doctors. (Score:5, Insightful)
Once again, the WHO has demonstrated that its main purposes are political, not medical. I have heard three things from them: 1. Wash your hands. OK. 2. International travel should not be constrained "too much" because it will hurt commerce. True, but irrelevant in the general sense. 3. We have to give the virus a politically correct name so no group or country is blamed for the disease. Nonsense. These people should be focused on containing the virus and protecting the world's population, not spewing politically correct booshwa. Immunologists have known how to do this for well over 100 years, but today's political climate is putting all of us at risk.
Re:Politicians, not doctors. (Score:4, Insightful)
I heard 1 thing from the WHO.
Wow, China is really handling this so well. It's a global pandemic but really, China's response has been amazing. They're super transparent, too. We had to get special permission before we could go in and look around, and we're only allowed to go into areas they want us to go into, but they're so transparent. They won't let others, like people from the US, in to inspect, but let's all thank China for going to such great lengths to be transparent and to stop this virus. But let's not ban travel, because even though this is a pandemic that might hurt China's trade. And really, they're doing such a great job we shouldn't be mean to them.
You think I'm joking or trolling? Watch it yourself. https://youtu.be/8NnNunRXR80 [youtu.be]
FUCK the WHO.
Re:Politicians, not doctors. (Score:5, Insightful)
Good. The WHO is an international health organization. Their job is to deal with difficult nations (which is most of them) to accomplish a health related goal. If getting access and cooperation requires diplomacy and fluffing some national egos, good on them for not letting stupid ideals get in the way.
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Bought the propaganda in full have you? China's human rights record isn't great. Saudi Arabia's is worse. The former is the US's biggest trading partner, and the other is a valued ally and friend (and major weapons customer). Clearly your country is quite willing to compromise on actually important ideals. Let's not talk about the democracies that have been toppled by CIA actions, right?
The "stupid ideals" I was referring to are the ones you espoused, excoriating the WHO for giving China a bit of (domain sp
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Meanwhile in Hubei... 14,000+ new cases. 200+ new deaths in the last 24 hours.
Fuck China. Fuck WHO. Fuck China that's who.
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And how many deaths from other kinds of flu in China? (China is a lot of people)
How many deaths from other kinds of flu in in the USA?
And exactly what do YOU think the WHO could do better than quote the advice of the best available doctors from the rest of the world?
Think - if/when it happens in the USA, exactly what will Trump say when the WHO tells him what doctors tell them is the best thing to do?
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I think the WHO could look past the chinese propoganda and actually deal with the realities of the situation instead of jumping at the chance to puff up china for some sweet cold hard cash.
Re:Politicians, not doctors. (Score:5, Insightful)
Here''s reason for the name.
First, "novel Coronavirus 2019" or "nCoV-2019" is a mouthful. COVID-2019 is much easier.
Second, coronavirus is common. Besides Covid-2019, we have SARS and the common cold. (Rhinovirus is another type of common cold as well, so just because you have a cold, doesn't meant it's from just a coronavirus). Thus, you can pretty much truthfully say millions of Americans have the coronavirus, because they do.
So that's why we have nice names because we want to identify which strain we're talking about. Imagine if you got a cold and your doctor said you have a coronavirus. In this current time, that's not a very nice diagnosis now, is it? Especially since you probably have a cold.
Influenza right now is running rampant. The CDC is estimating (because not everyone with the flu sees a doctor) around 20-30 million Americans have or had influenza. And somewhere between 10-30,000 people have died. These are numbers based on reports, so the actual number is likely higher - not everyone sick with flu went to the doctor so the CDC doesn't get numbers, and not everyone who dies could be reliably traced to the flu.
Remember China has over 4 times the population of the US. so the numbers for influenza should be much higher.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/... [cdc.gov]
Humans prize novelty. It's why 9/11 is a disaster despite more people dying in traffic daily, or why Covid-2019 is scary despite influenza having killed way more people the past few months 200 people probably died from the flu today in the US alone, and 200 more will die tomorrow and so on.
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Typical terrible reporting. There's not "14000 new cases"; they changed their diagnostic standard to now include "suspected" cases, where they don't have PCR confirmation of the virus, but an X-ray confirms the virus's symptoms.
Re:Politicians, not doctors. (Score:5, Interesting)
It should be noted that this is the standard that's been used outside Hubei, but Hubei had been using the more strict standard to play down the numbers. The party shuffled up the leadership recently, which undoubtedly is what led to this change in reporting.
Also interesting is that they've broken down the numbers within Hubei for the first time, and it's remarkable how much this is not specifically just a China problem, and not specifically just a Hubei problem, but specifically a Wuhan problem. While the overwhelming majority of China's cases are in Hubei, the overwhelming majority of Hubei's cases are in Wuhan (despite it only making up 1/5th of the population).
Quarantining the city of Wuhan "early on" was a hugely important decision. I put that in quotes because Wuhan got so infected because they ignored the disease for so long.
In praise of quarantines (Score:2)
Quarantining the city of Wuhan "early on" was a hugely important decision.
People should know that while the measures needed to enforce a strict quarantine are not pleasant to think about, and even less pleasant to experience firsthand, they are eminently necessary in order to prevent this from killing 50 million (as the 1918 pandemic did).
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China prioritizes preventing panic over preventing pandemic. It's partially the fault of how an autocratic government works, and partially a difference in Eastern versus Western views on the importance of order and civil behavior. (e.g. in Western culture we don't think it's a big deal when people are panicking, we can always tear gas them and truncheon them a bit to give to set a panicked crowd's priorities correctly)
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Preventing panic can actually be very useful in preventing a pandemic. What do you think people will do if you quarantine their town because there are infected inside and they know that the transmission rate is insanely high along with the fatality? Do you think they will calmly stay in the area?
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Who the FUCK said anything about Swine Flu or the US's response to it? You?
Click the fucking link and watch the fucking WHO say it themselves, you clown.
https://youtu.be/8NnNunRXR80 [youtu.be]
I defy you to watch that and defend the WHO in any capacity.
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https://youtu.be/8NnNunRXR80 [youtu.be]
I defy you to watch that and defend the WHO in any capacity.
I'll give it a try. I saw the WHO kissing China's ass, but first, China actually has done a remarkable job. Just about everywhere in the world has a shortage of surgical masks except China. They managed to get production and distribution increased. They built a functioning hospital in less than two weeks. They have implemented quarantines on a scale that would never be possible in the US. More importantly, the WHO is kissing China's ass because if China does a good job in stopping the spread of this thing,
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The case fatality rate for H1N1 was about 0.03% and like all influenza it was transmissible only when symptomatic. The case fatality rate for Wuhan COVID19 is still potentially 2% and it's transmissible for potentially weeks before one becomes symptomatic. That accounts for the difference.
As for Zika, which is not transmissible human-to-human, well, there you're just being a moron.
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WHO strongly disagrees that any meaningful fraction of the cases from COVID-19 are transmitted by asymptomatic patients. Coronaviruses don't work that way. The one "well documented" case of asymptomatic transmission from a patient in Germany turned out to be false; the patient had significant symptoms at the time of transmission.
Average incubation time for the disease is under 6 days. The range is 2-14 days.
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WHO doesn't "strongly disagree" with any such thing, it has no official position on it. China has reported asymptomatic transmission in multiple cases, and your cited index patient
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Yes, WHO disagrees [who.int].
And your excuse link for the NEJM article is that the woman waking feeling warm (to the point of taking OTC medication for it), feeling unusually tired, having muscle and bone pain and touch sensitivity, and getting chills, is asymptomatic because that's not dramatic enough? Oh please.
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No, WHO does not disagree. Your own link says only that "Asymptomatic infection may be rare." Asymptomatic infection is not asymptomatic transmission. Learn to read.
And your excuse link for the NEJM article is that the woman waking feeling warm (to the point of taking OTC medication for it), feeling unusually tired, having muscle and bone pain and touch sensitivity, and getting chills, is asymptomatic because that's not dramatic enough?
My excuse link? Get back to shilling for Musk, Dr. Rei.
"I can certai
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Wow, they found a person with a medical degree to agree with the authors of the study. That totally erases the extensive amount of criticism from other researchers that that study got!
Wait, so you're expecting asymptomatic transmission without asymptomatic infection? Pray tell, how does that work? You're transmitting something that you're not infected with?
My link also states:
"The main driver of transmission, bas
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None of which you link to, none of which have responded to the additional patient history, and none of which address the other reports acknowledged by the WHO.
Because there is a difference between a carrier (asympt
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The hits keep coming [arstechnica.com], Captain Wrong.
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H1N1 influenza started in Oaxaca, Mexico which isn't normally referred to as America.
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Hey! We're having a flame war here, go with your facts somewhere where people care about them!
Re: Politicians, not doctors. (Score:2)
Itâ(TM)s nothing to do with giving it a politically correct name, itâ(TM)s giving it a technically accurate name that will not spread misinformation, but that will be short and catchy enough that people use.
If you give it a name that has names of animals or countries in it, people make assumptions about the disease based on the name, and the actual on the ground response to the disease gets affected by those assumptions.
Clearly not Politically Correct (Score:2)
It's nothing to do with giving it a politically correct name...
That's clearly true. The last epidemic was spread by pigs and was named swine flu so clearly the most politically correct name for one spread by humans would be man flu.
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Re: Politicians, not doctors. (Score:2)
Smaller point, but they've also gone with a 2-digit year. Who designed that system and have they learned nothing from Y2K?
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We have to give the virus a politically correct name
That was *my* first thought too. Having a disease named after you is an honour, like Huntington's, Down's syndrome or Lou Gherigs.
But then so many pig farmers went broke because idiots thought they could get swine flu from pork. And what if AIDS was called "San Francisco disease" or "American Immune Deficiency Syndrome", from where it was first identified? Sound OK?
And it is not just diseases that have unfortunate associations. Just ask anyone from Lesbos or Crete.
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Very much so. There's some reason to suspect that the WHO rushed this name out now in order to prevent another name for it, which is politically inconvenient for China due to the fact that it reminds people of the last time they screwed this up [sciencemag.org], from catching on in the press.
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Once again, the WHO has demonstrated that its main purposes are political, not medical.
No. Once against the WHO has demonstrated that they aren't singularly focused on something to the point of derangement. Medical conditions affect people, as does stigma. It's bad enough that a virus is killing people without having an additional stigma associated with the place it was first discovered.
Every job is political. With every thing you say and do there are knock on effects, expectations and subtext. As a singular person you can ignore it and let people think of you what they will. As an internatio
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We have to give the virus a politically correct name so no group or country is blamed for the disease. Nonsense.
The reason you don't name viruses after groups or countries is because no one wants to have a disease named after their homeland, so they try to hide it. This isn't about not offending people, it's about seeing how people have reacted in past epidemics and trying to incentivize them to be more helpful in current and future ones.
Disease response depends on getting accurate information from frightened people and countries in as fast a manner as possible and forming a realistic response; part of this is reduci
Every other strain was named by its location (Score:2)
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What's wrong with stigmatizing? For that matter, what is racist about pointing out that people in a certain region have filthy and ignorant habits that spread disease such as defecating and spitting in the streets, eating bats, etc?
It's past time to scold, rebuke and educate the ignorant and their filthy habits that cause major diseases each and every year across the globe.
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Perhaps 'filthy habits born of ignorance' would be better phrasing? Being more hygienic and educated would mean less death for them, yet people are called racist who want longer and healthier lives for those people.
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I saw nobody in China defecating in the street, or even spitting in the street. As for eating mammals, that's common to every country and culture on the planet.
Which is exactly what's wrong with stigmatising. It lets ignorant cunts feel justified in spouting utter fucking nonsense, instead of trying to understand actual underlying causes and addressing those.
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I've seen it. And also Chinese tourists are notorious for doing it in other countries. Here are some article to help remove your blinders
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia... [scmp.com]
https://www.nst.com.my/news/na... [nst.com.my]
https://www.businessinsider.co... [businessinsider.com]
https://coconuts.co/hongkong/n... [coconuts.co]
Quit trying to cover up for fiithy ignorant street shitters. They need to stop it. You need to stop it too, you're siding on filth and ignorance that causes disease and death.
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So some (out of the many millions) of Chinese tourists are caught defecating in the wrong place.
Sounds like San Francisco to me.
I'm not covering up for anybody. I'm calling you a fucking ignorant shit. Stop stereotyping and accept that you're just a prejudiced wanker.
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SARS is Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, as evidenced here: https://www.who.int/csr/sars/e... [who.int]
Missed opportunity! (Score:1)
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I've noticed something. The more that the DNC hopefuls fall to either to "America is to blame for everything" or 'democratic-socialism' aka communist is the future comrade! The crazier their supporters get.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/2... [gallup.com]
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WHO? (Score:2)
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I haven't forgotten Keith Moon or John Entwistle, you insensitive clod!
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They're dead, Jim.
But not forgotten!
However if you insist on only remembering the living Who... while they may still keep killing Kenny on South Park (those bastards!), but Kenney Jones is still alive and kicking.
So many names... (Score:2)
2019 novel coronavirus
SARS-CoV-2
2019-nCoV acute respiratory disease
COVID-19
novel coronavirus pneumonia
Re:So many names... (Score:5, Funny)
Sounds like a video codec (Score:2)
I wonder when YouTube will add COVID-19 support?
They should've named it the Mexican Beer Virus, or MBV for short.
That names sucks but (Score:2)
Everyone is just going to call it the Wuhan coronavirus anyway, but Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus. Wow, what a name!
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When a novel disease emerged in the picturesque university town of Marburg Germany they were on pretty safe ground naming its cause "Marburg Virus".
Wuhan is the capital of Hubei province, a region with 58 million people with a pig herd that normally runs around 40 million hogs plus God only knows how many ducks -- which are the enzootic reservoir for a variety of viruses that infect humans. This is not the last virus we're going to see emerge from this city, and they aren't all going to be coronaviruses ei
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Just name them Wuhan1, Wuhan2, Wuhan3... What's wrong with adding numbers to the underlying system? It worked for the space missions.
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I'll tell you what's wrong with that system: it will lead people to think that those viruses are *related*. And humans being humans, they'll figure out really stupid things to believe with that misconception.
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They think that anyway. It's a disease that makes you sneeze and it's from China. Add a dash of internet and the next conspiracy theory is ready for release.
Funny enough that these things spread like diseases, too, but there's no cure. Sadly, though, it's also nonlethal.
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Pretty sure it's the China Virus dude
SLOW! (Score:2)
They took 3 weeks to name a disease. Incompetent.
Chances of that name catching on instead of Coronavirus = 0.
Even then, chances of people using COVID-19 instead of COVID = 0.
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Beer brewers rejoice (Score:5, Funny)
It is now safe to drink Corona Beer.
Try Emperor Xi's Disease (Score:2)
People would use and remember that.
Wohan bat virus (Score:2)
It's so pathetic how the WHO is in the pocket of the CCP.
Too much diplomacy vs. medicine (Score:2)
This is too much diplomacy over medicine ...
Why is the Marburg virus [wikipedia.org], Ebola [wikipedia.org], Rift Valley fever [wikipedia.org] and other diseases named after their places of the first outbreak? Even the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) as recently as 2015 implies a place of origin.
How about making the name based on symptoms (e.g. SARS, MERS), then the virus named after family and year?
Kung Flu (Score:2)
Shame, because Kung Flu is quite catchy.
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Yeah, but what are you gonna do the next time around when China is the source of the next outbreak?
Then again, you could do sequels. Worked well for various movies of the genre. Worked even if they had nothing to do with each other whatsoever.
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Yeah, but what are you gonna do the next time around when China is the source of the next outbreak?
Then again, you could do sequels. Worked well for various movies of the genre. Worked even if they had nothing to do with each other whatsoever.
Kung Flu 2 : Electric Booger Flu
Car analogy (Score:2)
Back in the day, Corona was the mid range Toyota
I just call it Chinese Flu (Score:1)
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And what are you gonna do next year? Chinese Flu Part 2, unfinished business?
Whatever (Score:1)
I still prefer the wu-tang-flu
You got it wrong - SARS-CoV-2 is the virus (Score:1)
COVID-19 is the disease you get by being infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
AIDS is what you get by being infected with HIV.
They give the name of the disease to the virus and the named the virus with a old disease name.
Got it? Good.
An affront to royal headgear everywhere! (Score:4, Insightful)
You have to be VERY careful when you endeavor to offend nobody. Reminds me of the kerfufffle over the Washington Redskins. Nobody seemed to notice that we have a state named INDIANA! How can people be so insensitive?
19? (Score:1)
Actually, this isn't bad (Score:3)
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They picked a name which is relatively free of namespace collisions
Humans love overloading variables, it’s literally been a tradition across variable cultures and centuries.
Facts feelings (Score:2)
Have any Coloradans or Utahans suffered tangible and irreparable psychological damage because of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever? Is Zaire really losing business because a disease bears its name (does anyone remember it)? Would Wuhan really carry a permanent stigma after the outbreak has passed?
No, of course not. And even if a place does bear a p
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The fact of where a disease originates and is most widespread is significant and relevant.
Nonsense.
Years from now if it's like flu and everywhere. What difference will it make where the first case was noticed?
If it spreads to a country with even worse healthcare, that will quickly become where it is more widespread.
Using the name of the outbreak's location imparts useful information.
No it doesn't. You think it will get renamed every place if takes a foothold and becomes self sustaining?
This Diamond Princess cruise ship in Yokohama seems like a safe place to hide, it's nowhere near Wuhan, what could go wrong?
Stigmatization (Score:2)
Well then, guess I'll be referring to it as the Wuhan Chinese Bat-eating Virus.