A Black Hole Threw a Star Out of the Milky Way Galaxy (nytimes.com) 116
There are fastballs, and then there are cosmic fastballs. Now it seems that the strongest arm in our galaxy might belong to a supermassive black hole that lives smack in the middle of the Milky Way. From a report: Astronomers recently discovered a star whizzing out of the center of our galaxy at the seriously blinding speed of four million miles an hour. The star, which goes by the typically inscrutable name S5-HVS1, is currently about 29,000 light-years from Earth, streaking through the Grus, or Crane, constellation in the southern sky. It is headed for the darkest, loneliest depths of intergalactic space. The runaway star was spotted by an international team of astronomers led by Ting Li of the Carnegie Observatories. They were using a telescope in Australia for a study known as the Southern Stellar Stream Spectroscopic Survey -- the S5. The star is about twice as massive as our own sun and ten times more luminous, according to Dr. Li. Drawing on data from the European Space Agency's Gaia spacecraft, which has charted the positions and motions of some 1.3 billion stars in the Milky Way, the astronomers traced the streaking star back to the galactic center. That is the home of a black hole known as Sagittarius A*, a gravitational monster with the mass of four million suns.
Astounding... (Score:1)
Lawyer up (Score:4, Funny)
Sounds like the star needs to hire a lawyer. No matter what you think about stars, their rights need to be respected equally.
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Re:Lawyer up (Score:5, Informative)
The Sun is not a mass of incandesecent gas. it is a miasma of incandescent plasma.
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You should write a book with that as the first sentence (presuming it's original).
That is one of the most literarily beautiful scientific statements I've ever read.
(No sarcasm.)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
This song is a response to their own song Why Does The Sun Shine(they didn't write it they are covering a song from a childrens album... for reasons).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
They got constant complaints about the scientific inaccuracy of Why Does The Sun Shine so they wrote a scientifically accurate version.
And yes.... I am a They Might Be Giants fan.
Re:Lawyer up (Score:4, Funny)
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Metallicity in stars doesn't mean metal, it refers to elements that are not hydrogen or helium.
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Re: Lawyer up (Score:1)
So, you're getting into metal before it's cool then?
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Like, how'd I not pick up on that before? Haha
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So, it was a black hole sun... (Score:2)
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Great song. I miss Curt Cobain.
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Pretty sure it was 2015.
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https://loudwire.com/scott-wei... [loudwire.com]
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Crap, my mistake. I was thinking of Chris Purnell who was in Saturday Night Live.
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https://loudwire.com/scott-wei... [loudwire.com]
The amount of inaccuracy in this entire thread is fucking unreal.
Kurt Cobain and Scott Weiland have nothing to do with Chris Cornell, the one who wrote the song Black Hole Sun.
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You know what I just realized? "Black Hole Sun" is kind of what this article describes: a sun that was ejected from a black hole.
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You know what I realized? Grunge music is written by depressed people who eventually kill themselves.
Pearl Jam is doing well. It's not depressed people so much as heroin addicts. Heroin at the time of grunge music in Seattle was extremely prevalent. I believe it still is really.
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You know what I realized? Grunge music is written by depressed people who eventually kill themselves.
Pearl Jam is doing well. It's not depressed people so much as heroin addicts. Heroin at the time of grunge music in Seattle was extremely prevalent. I believe it still is really.
Sadly, today's heroin epidemic was created by putting opium in a pill bottle, subsidizing the shit out of the cost, and then removing those subsidies and closing down the pill mills that were allowed to flourish long enough to addict a nation.
Addiction used to flourish organically. Now it's by design, because profits.
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If I were trolling I would have said that Courtney Love killed Kurt.
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Oh yeah...Soundgarten. I used to play "Hunger Strike" all the time.
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Yeah you are right: I admit it. I thought "Curt" Cobain was in "Soundgarten". I'm so embarrassed now.
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Yeah, I did think that Black Hole Sun was a Nirvana song. Fortunately I was corrected before I made a fool of myself.
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I'm sure for a clever guy like you that would be NO problem!
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Re:So, it was a black hole sun... (Score:4, Funny)
No I think I am going to stick around a bit. Want to listen to Jar Of Fleas with me?
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FFS now I've a mental image of a mason jar filled with red, hot chili peppers.
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Re:So, it was a black hole sun... (Score:4, Funny)
Yes, correct it was Sound Garden, who's singer , Eddie Vedder is most famous for his quote "Its better to burn out, then it is to fade away" in reference to the death of Stone Temple Pilots singer, Perry Farrel.
Re:So, it was a black hole sun... (Score:4, Funny)
You have one thing wrong: it is "whose" not "who's". The Who's singer is Eric Clapton.
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Eric Clapton (still among the living) was the singer and lead guitarist of Cream (and several other bands throughout his career).
Eddie Vedder (still among the living) is the lead singer of Pearl Jam.
Chris Cornell (sadly passed away in 2017) was the lead singer of Soundgarden. The quote you mention (“It’s better to burn out than to fade away”) actually came from Neil Young off hi
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Hmmmmm. Who the heck is Eddie Van Halen then?
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He's Alex Van Halen's less-famous brother.
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The more important question is why didn't anyone shoot the person responsible for the bossa nova version.
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This is, indeed, the real question.
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That's a clear violation of the 8th.
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In Voyager 1 terms... (Score:1)
At that speed, it would take Voyager 1 only a little over 143 days to get from Earth to its current location - as opposed to the 42 years it's actually taken.
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If my math is right it is about 0.5% c?
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If my math is right it is about 0.5% c?
Your math is wrong. It is about 0.006 c.
4,000,000 mph / (186,282 miles/sec * 3600 sec/hour) = 0.00596 c
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Oh yeah, well I am American so I don't do math good.
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If my math is right it is about 0.5% c?
Your math is wrong. It is about 0.006 c.
4,000,000 mph / (186,282 miles/sec * 3600 sec/hour) = 0.00596 c
Um, that's 0.596% c, so not way way off from 0.5% c.
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Um, that's 0.596% c, so not way way off from 0.5% c.
You're right. I missed the percent sign. My bad.
Re: In Voyager 1 terms... (Score:1)
0.006c is "about" 5%. His math was right.
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Yeah, considering there have been measurements of stellar material going to 99.9%c this one seems kinda slow.
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S2 [wikipedia.org] has been clocked at 2.55% of the speed of light when passed pericentre (pergalaxion?) of 17 light hours from SagA*.
If it ever blunders too close to one of the other black holes orbiting SagA*, it might get booted out of the galaxy too.
We didn't ask to be in the milky way (Score:1)
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You are free to leave at your leisure. Please leave keys and forwarding address on the way out. Note that less than 60M years notice will forfeit your deposit.
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We're not gonna stop the world just so you can get off!
We received a signal (Score:3)
Seems amazing it would survive the acceleration (Score:4, Interesting)
Maybe it's just because it is so massive, but I would have thought pretty much anything would have broken up being accelerated to that degree over what must have been a very short duration. I would love to understand how that is possible.
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Depends mostly on how quickly it was accelerated.
Re:Seems amazing it would survive the acceleration (Score:5, Informative)
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Maybe it's just because it is so massive, but I would have thought pretty much anything would have broken up being accelerated to that degree over what must have been a very short duration. I would love to understand how that is possible.
"Very short" in stellar terms is still years on Earth. S14, the fastest star orbiting the black hole, at 3.83% c, still takes 55 years to complete its orbit. Slower stars that are still very near in stellar terms take thousands of years to complete their orbits. S5-HVS1 took years to approach, pass, and retreat from Sgr A*.
What if that pitch was inward to galaxy? (Score:2)
I guess there would be other problems though already. Stars being sucked into the black hole, instead of being tossed out.
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Black holes don't face any particular way. Stars ARE being sucked into the black hole at the center of our galaxy. Gravity always points towards the center of mass.
Think of it like this: some asteroids hit the earth (similar to stars being sucked into a black hole) but some asteroids whiz by the earth, having their trajectories altered by earth's gravity.
Operating by itself, even the most massive black hole can't alter the speed at which things fly away from it. Things that fall into its gravity well would
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That, and it would be one massively lucky shot for the black hole to hit our solar system with a star shot out.
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First, I have to admit that everything I know about orbital mechanics I learned from Kerbal Space Program. I mean, I thought I knew about orbital mechanics before then, but playing KSP really gives you concrete examples to watch.
A star is sped up, as it nears a black hole or other large mass. But as it leaves the black hole's gravity field, it is slowed by exactly the amount it was sped up by. Gravity is symmetrical, if you could drop something down a gravity well and have it leave with more speed than it e
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Well I am shaky enough on the physics that I had to look it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Seems I was right, there's nothing about angular momentum mentioned. It's all about orbital energy, one object gains speed in the reference frame of a third object, the other loses speed.
I mean, tidal locking takes millions of years and that's for two bodies with similar mass. The ISS is not tidally locked to Earth, for example. It's not big enough for tidal forces to be noticeable. In that case, the two bodies
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There might be more than one way to represent the same thing. I tend to visualize it with angular momentum because that's the way that best explains it to me.
I can assure you that angular momentum has _something_ to do with gravity assists. If if didn't i probably wouldn't be able to find a video from MIT featured an astr
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They are talking about the angular momentum of the orbit, not the rotation. Total angular momentum includes both orbital and rotational momentum. In this case, they are referring to the orbit.
Free version (Score:2)
that's racist! (Score:1)
!!!
speed of four million miles an hour (Score:2)
4,000,000 * 1,609 /s is faster then the speed of light at
is 6,437,376 km by hour
So 6,437,376 km by hour * 60 minutes * 60 seconds is
23,174,553,600 km by seconds is
23,174,553,600, 000 m
299 792 458 m / s
Or something wrong somewhere ?
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6,437,376 km per hour. So you DIVIDE by (60*60) to get km/s.
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Ok it's monday morning, I mess up
6,437,376 / (60 *60) = 1788.16 km/s or 178,816,000 m/s
178,816,000 m/s
299 792 458 m / s
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6,437,376 km/hour * 1,000 = 6,437,376,000 m/hour
6,437,376,000 m/hour / (60[mins] * 60[secs]) = 1,788,160 m/second
The speed of light is 299,792,458 m/second.
The star is traveling at 0.596% the speed of light.
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Ok it's monday morning, I mess up 6,437,376 / (60 *60) = 1788.16 km/s or 178,816,000 m/s 178,816,000 m/s 299 792 458 m / s
And then don't add the extra zeroes. 1788.16 km/s = 1,788,160 m/s. :)
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Maybe you should divide by 60 minutes and seconds.
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Sounds fast, but... (Score:2)
Units (Score:2)
Our solar system too. Probably. (Score:2)
About 0.0059C (Score:3)
Put in those terms it doesn't seem that fast, but something that massive going that fast? Fast, as in yipe!
Not thrown out (Score:2)
We already knew (Score:4, Funny)
"might belong to a supermassive black hole that lives smack in the middle of the Milky Way. "
It already exploded, the Pierson Puppeteers are already fleeing.
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All the same, maybe this is the explanation for the Fermi Paradox.
Maybe all sufficiently advanced civilizations inevitably come to the conclusion they need to move their star system out away from our galaxy, indeed, from all galaxies.
If true, that might be considered a bit disturbing.
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"Maybe all sufficiently advanced civilizations inevitably come to the conclusion they need to move their star system out away from our galaxy, indeed, from all galaxies."
I see a traffic congestion problem far, far in the future in a galaxy far, far away.
moniker bias (Score:2)
In galactic terms, S5-HVS1 is the equivalent of a 5-digit UID here on Slashdot.
Stars in Milky Way / human population = 35:1
That's roughly 1.5 decimal digits.
Plus we're filtering less aggressively on the star population than the human population, with the vast majority of Slashdot's historical userbase selected from human category YWM: melatonin-deprived hairy nutsacks that aren't yet grey (though we're beginning to yield our former youthful ground on that last one). The necessity of letters+digits over digi
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Appears I Googled a dated statistic, and the 250 billion estimate is now well into the low trillions.
Wikipedia resolutely presents the established number as 100–400 billion.
Gaia Maps 1.7 Billion Stars, Widens Cosmic Census [skyandtelescope.com] — 25 April 2018
Sigh (Score:2)
Relativity (Score:2)
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That's not how Jesus returns, it goes like this: on the appointed day, the clouds start to roil, the trumpets start to blare, and Jesus floats majestically down to Earth. He didn't have to do it majestically but he did it anyway. Jesus goes about on a meet and greet, "Howdy, Jesus here, how y'all doing?" He shakes some hands, anoints a few to make them stop blocking his way. After several minutes, he peers at his watch and says, "Ummm...time's flying, gotta run, y'all be good now."
The clouds roil, the trump
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Yes, yes, you're very smart. Now shut up.