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Black Salve Is A Dangerous Fake Cancer Cure, But It Continues To Flourish In Facebook Groups (buzzfeednews.com) 163

Even as Facebook has cracked down on anti-vaxxers and peddlers of snake oil cure-alls, a particularly grotesque form of fake cancer treatment has flourished in private groups on Facebook. From a report: Black salve, a caustic black paste that eats through flesh, is enthusiastically recommended in dedicated groups as a cure for skin and breast cancer -- and for other types of cancer when ingested in pill form. There's even a group dedicated to applying the paste to pets. A Facebook spokesperson told BuzzFeed News that these groups don't violate its community guidelines. This summer, it launched an initiative to address "exaggerated or sensational health claims" and will downrank that content in the News Feed, similar to how it handles clickbait. But it's not clear how it defines what a "sensational" health claim is. Citing user privacy, Facebook would not say whether or not it had downranked the black salve groups in the News Feed. Other platforms have taken a different approach. When BuzzFeed News asked YouTube about several videos where people discussed using black salve, YouTube said the videos were in violation and removed them. Amazon, which does not sell the salve itself, removed a book about black salve when BuzzFeed News asked about it.
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Black Salve Is A Dangerous Fake Cancer Cure, But It Continues To Flourish In Facebook Groups

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  • by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Friday November 01, 2019 @01:47PM (#59370168) Homepage Journal

    If it kills you I would say that it did cure the cancer. So yeah, totally not fake news.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Friday November 01, 2019 @02:50PM (#59370502)

      An in addition, if it kills the user, it makes the whole human race a tiny bit smarter. I think this is a perfectly good cure. Not for cancer though.

      • I just ordered a bottle. I'll let you know how it goes!

      • by psavo ( 162634 )

        That's like saying letting Hawking die at the young age would've made human race a tiny bit fitter. We all have our blind spots and for fucks sake, when you get a cancer diagnose it's just absolute panic. Get some humanity in you.

        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          I have a zero-tolerance policy for stupidity that seriously harms others. If you want to do this utterly stupid thing to yourself, fine. But as soon as you start to recommend this to others, you are a problem.

        • If your blind spot makes someone else blind, you're more of a problem than you're worth.

    • Setting aside the tongue-in-cheek nature of your post and treating it as if it was entirely serious (after all, we're a bunch of pedants around here), the OAED defines "cure" as relieve (a person or animal) of the symptoms of a disease or condition. Given that a corpse receives no relief from symptoms and is devoid by then of its personhood, you'd be hard-pressed to reasonably argue that anyone was cured or that there is even such a thing as a post-mortem cure.

    • by Calydor ( 739835 )

      They're also applying it to poor pets that have no idea what is being done to them. Poke as much fun at the humans as you want, but that alone should count as animal abuse and get the groups shut down.

  • by stabiesoft ( 733417 ) on Friday November 01, 2019 @01:49PM (#59370188) Homepage
    Skin cancer is nothing to mess with. It is very aggressive.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01, 2019 @03:16PM (#59370604)
      If you think skin cancer is aggressive you should see my dermatologists' billing department!
      • I pay around 200 for a visit with or without insurance. I had a HMO that required a referral, so I'd go straight to the derm who charged the same for in/out of network. Now I have a high deductible policy that does not require a referral and still 200. I may be crazy, but 200 for a little insurance to not get a melanoma when I am fair skinned and went to the beach too often while living in LA, seems like a good idea. I have two friends who had friends who died from melanoma. If I could get a checkup for pan
    • by Rick Schumann ( 4662797 ) on Friday November 01, 2019 @05:17PM (#59371040) Journal
      When you have people who are some combination of below-average intelligence, gullible, indoctrinated that 'science is all lies and bad', 'vaccinations cause disease and autism', along with being unable (or unwilling) to afford proper medical care (or not trusting doctors, because 'science is all lies and bad'), then add swindlers promising 'miracle cures', you get stories like this one.
      • by sjames ( 1099 ) on Friday November 01, 2019 @06:58PM (#59371340) Homepage Journal

        All it takes is the impossible to afford part. Desperation takes over from there.

        If we don't want people using things like this (and they shouldn't), we'll need to fix the mess that is U.S. healthcare.

        • You're not wrong, many of us have been there. But these days, with the ability of the Internet to give any whacko a world-reaching voice for their delusions -- or their carefully-crafted disruptive propaganda, or carefully-crafted fraud -- preying on the weak-minded is a much larger concern.

          ..fix the mess that is U.S. healthcare.
          I agree with you. Wasn't there once a time when certain things were, by law, not-for-profit? Like healthcare? We need to return to those practices for a number of industries, re
          • by sjames ( 1099 )

            There will always be some who go for crazy fake cures, even if healthcare is free at point of use, but with this stuff, even the propaganda is pretty gruesome, I suspect few will find it an appealing option when they can afford something else. Even chemo+ radiation looks better than giant festering wounds.

  • I put some some black salve on my breakfast cereal this morning. It was delicious and good for me. You can definitely believe me, because you saw it posted on the internet.

  • Darwin (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hondo77 ( 324058 ) on Friday November 01, 2019 @01:52PM (#59370214) Homepage
    At some point, doesn't crap like this just end up being bleach in the gene pool?
    • I'm torn between modding you insightful or commenting, so I guess I'm going with commenting. Yes, it takes mind-boggling stupid people out the gene pool - no harm, no fowl. I guess I feel a little sorry for children whose parents are dumb enough to try this "treatment" should the child get cancer. They didn't ask to have stupid parents. Ditto their pets, though lots of stupid and cruel people do stupid and cruel things to animals, and other than donating my time and money to animal causes, both of which
    • Cancer specifically is associated with age. So no. Home remedies in general might be bad, but so much of good health is luck and lifestyle based that they don't have much of an impact outside of full blown pandemics. So no.

      • by hawguy ( 1600213 )

        Cancer specifically is associated with age. So no. Home remedies in general might be bad, but so much of good health is luck and lifestyle based that they don't have much of an impact outside of full blown pandemics. So no.

        The problem is when the home remedy is applied in place of the proven medical treatment. For some cancers (pancreatic, for example), the mortality rate is so high that maybe it doesn't matter, but breast cancer has a very high survival rate when treated early.

    • At some point, doesn't crap like this just end up being bleach in the gene pool?

      Not really. It usually happens after they breed. More than once too.

    • At some point, doesn't crap like this just end up being bleach in the gene pool?

      If it's 100% fatal then you might have a point. However, the more likely scenario is that someone might use this stuff, get a nasty chemical burn and end up in the ER. The end result is they have much higher medical bills (especially for internal injuries) than before which we all end up paying in the form of insurance.

      The real question is do we want a society where it's acceptable to refuse someone treatment because they did something stupid to themselves (an astounding amount of ER visits are self-infli

    • by pesho ( 843750 )
      Not really, at least not to the extent you may be hoping for. To get their gene removed from the gene pool, they need to do whatever stupid stuff they are doing before they reproduce, or their stupidity must reduce the chances for reproduction of their offspring. Typically cancer develops later in life after we had passed our genes to our kids, so no direct effect on the gene pool. Otherwise we would have evolved resistance to cancer at later age. To further complicate things we as society tend to take care
    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Friday November 01, 2019 @04:54PM (#59370982)
      You're dealing with people who have cancer. They're under enormous duress. Multiple studies show that people do not make good choices under stress. Pressure does not make diamonds.

      Also in America at least millions of people either do not have healthcare or have limited access to healthcare due to our system of private health insurance. I had a buddy with gall stones tough it out and drink magic herbal tea because the gall stone treatments were thousands of dollars and this was post 2008 so everybody was broke from job losses and pay cuts.

      Eventually he passed the stones on his own, after a lot of pain. But he like to think the magic tea helped because when you're in a lot of pain and under a lot of stress you want to feel like your doing something. And if you can't afford real medicine then you'll settle for what you _can_ afford.
    • Sure. 'Bleach in the gene pool' that raises your taxes and medical insurance costs, because rather than killing them as quickly as a bullet to the head, it just does massive damage, and they end up in Emergency Rooms and/or admitted to hospitals in critical condition, then they likely can't pay.
      Then there's the question of 'where the hell is your humanity, these people are getting fucked up for no good reason, why don't you care?'.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 01, 2019 @01:53PM (#59370218)
    It's an FDA regulatory one - and they should be fining and imprisoning those who distribute the product. Good lord man, it's NOT up to the private sector to pro-actively dictate what private individuals want to talk about on forums. But you won't find Buzzfeed "NEWS" going after CBD oil, pot smoking or tech sex drugs.
    • Facebook needs to be regulated like any other media company that it is. There are laws on what is allowed to be put on the air and Facebook should follow exactly the same laws, whether they are political ads, junk medicine ads or any other such nonsense.
    • It's an FDA regulatory one

      AFAIK. There are FDA regulations regarding medical device and medication advertisement and their publishing. They should be applied to Facebook.

    • You're right, it should be, probably will end up being, but in the meantime (and likely even after it's banned) some people will be dumb and still go looking for the stuff, convinced that 'The Rich' is keeping the Secret to Curing Cancer to themselves, or that it's a 'Government coverup' or somesuch nonsense.
      Think about DNP for a moment. The stuff is literally a metabolic poison, you'll literally kill yourself if you take too much of it, boil your cells from the inside out. Even if it doesn't kill you it c
  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Friday November 01, 2019 @01:56PM (#59370232)
    there's celebrities on Instagram hawking phony detox teas [youtube.com] with laxatives that interfere with birth control. If you'll pardon the vulgarity, You shit yourself pregnant.

    It sure would be nice if we had a functioning FTC right about now. And no, just saying "It's their fault for being stupid" doesn't cover it. You and me still have to deal with the effects of their stupidity, like all the unwanted pregnancies.
    • laxatives that interfere with birth control.

      Sounds like it works as designed.......I wouldn't want to knock somebody up if they kept shitting themselves.

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      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Post-factual actually, but the difference is negligible. As usual, you have the 10...15% that can actually think independently and then you also have a varying percentage of people where education did actually take. The rest is as dumb as bread. The problem is that this rest used to have at least some inkling that hey do not get it, but lately they have been aggressively demanding that their views are just as valid. As these people have absolutely no clue what a fact is or how Science works, the outcome is

      • if they had any actual power to enforce law and were properly funded as opposed to being the guys that get to make a fuss about an occasional nipple slip.
    • ANY laxative would interfere with birth control. Even eating a dodgy meal that gives you an upset stomach will interfere with birth control. So I imagine a tea that acts as a laxative would do the same. You DO realise that coffee is a laxative right?
  • ... tell us what color paint you can't drink! ! !!!

  • Oh come on man, everyone know it's apricot seeds that cure cancer..
  • People in tech, especially those in highly technical fields, are often in a bubble and don't realize that, yes, the general public needs protection from snake-oil salesmen. Everyone should have a job at some point in their career that involves dealing with the off-the-street public, just so they can see that outside of their peer group, people are vulnerable to seductive claims.

    This is especially true in these highly individualistic times where expert advice doesn't carry as much weight as it once did. Even

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Dunning-Kruger effect at work. You will not fix this by shutting down the cretins that push these things. The only fix is that people realize their limits and too many are far too arrogant these days to do that. These people have no clue what an actual expert is and what such a person can see and do. Hence society will just have to live with crap like this. Of course, if anybody starts to make real money off such a thing, I am all for shutting them down hard (prison time please), because _these_ people usua

    • Sadly, it is the "smart" community that has some of the most vociferous anti-vaxers. I've met some.
    • People in tech, especially those in highly technical fields, are often in a bubble and don't realize that, yes, the general public needs protection from snake-oil salesmen.

      Which is ironic, because Steve Jobs.

  • Not always, by any means, but that has to be the default assumption.

    Facebook is flooded with ad after ad after ad for some gee-whiz product, or this "cure cancer with corrosive crap" thing.

    99 times out of 100, check the domain, it was registered within the past month, whois privacy protected everything, and no way to determine who it really is allegedly selling the alleged product.

    Google for the product itself, and you'll often find that the actual manufacturer of the product is someone else entirely, the F

  • My process was to google the Black Salve thing, and when I did I got a list of accepted cancer cures--some of which have cure rates of 98% for less aggressive forms caught early, or at least 50% for melanoma. So if you do that, what's the thought process that makes you say, "screw going to the doctor and possibly getting that 98% cure rate procedure. I'm a' gonna paste some caustic goo on my face."

  • People often over look the utility of caustic agents.

    The problem isn't that it doesn't work but that if you're going to excise a potential cancer be it with acid, scalpel or otherwise you need to be specially qualified to do that right.

    There likely are a hand full of people who have managed to successfully burn off a tumour.

    There is a common problem of something worked for one thing or appeared to then it becomes a miracle cure.

    A similar thing with tee tree oil. I had what I thought was ring wor
    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      Tea tree oil, like most essential oils, is a chemical weapon that certain plants make to protect themselves. It turns out that if it has anti-fungal properties, they're quite poor. It'll kill you (or your pet) pretty well if you eat it though, so it's probably aimed at animals that like to eat tea tree leaves, rather than fungi.

  • ... not least by religions, who even promote mutilating perfectly healthy children. And yet, it seems, when some fantasy miracle tale about some super-natural being is used to back bad medical advice, corporations and politicians seem not to be bothered.
  • If I found out I had skin cancer the first thing I'd do would be to buy something called "black salve" from some shady asshole on Facebook. Fuck the doctors and their "evidence-based science" and their eight plus years of extremely advanced education.
  • Well it isn't "entirely" fake. If you have a cancer on your arm and cut your arm off it is potentially a cure, much in the same way black salve is potentially a cure. mind you why the fuck you would put gunk of you to slowly and indiscriminately burn away parts of your body is beyond me, a doctor can do that far faster and more precisely.
  • When there will be at least one number, how many people are affected by this.

  • OMG, idiots doing idiotic things! Oh noez! Quick, CENSOR EVERYTHING!!!!!1!!

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