US Astronauts Embark on the First All-Female Spacewalk (reuters.com) 141
U.S. astronauts Christina Koch and Jessica Meir made history on Friday when they stepped outside the International Space Station (ISS) on the first all-female spacewalk. From a report: The much-anticipated milestone for NASA was achieved during a relatively routine mission to swap faulty batteries on the station's exterior. Koch and Meir, clad in white spacesuits and tethered by cords to the station some 254 miles (408 km) above Earth, stepped into outer space at 7:38 a.m. Eastern time (1138 GMT) to replace a faulty power unit designed to help condition energy stored from the station's solar panels, NASA announced online as it showed live video of the action. Today, President Trump took a few moments out of his day to speak with Koch and Meir. From a report: While speaking with the pair, Trump mistakenly suggested this was the first female spacewalk ever -- a point that the astronauts corrected him on. "This is the first time for a woman outside of the space station," Trump said. He later added: "You are amazing people; they're conducting the first ever female spacewalk to replace an exterior part of the space station. They're doing some work, and they're doing it in a very high altitude -- an altitude that very few people will ever see." In her response, Meir made it clear that they were building on the work of many previous women who had spacewalked before them. "We don't want to take too much credit because there have been many other female spacewalkers before," Meir said. "This is the first time that there's been two women outside at the same time." In the history of spaceflight, only 15 women have ever spacewalked, including Meir and Koch.
I miss GWB's gentleman's C (Score:1)
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Has this guy ever not made a gaffe?
Well, to be fair, the more you get into the details about what makes this momentous, the less momentous it seems.
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Those were my thoughts. So two women outside instead of one. Whoop. Seems kind of patronizing to make a stink out of it, really.
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Those were my thoughts. So two women outside instead of one. Whoop. Seems kind of patronizing to make a stink out of it, really.
Except that we've been in space since the 60s and this hasn't happened before. There have been plenty of all male space-walks in the meantime and a number of mixed-gender spacewalks. It's interesting that it's taken this long. Not as interesting as an Ubuntu 19 release, perhaps, but definitely more interesting than another Office356 failure or the fact that people aren't buying Facebook portal. It definitely rates a Slashdot headline.
Re:I miss GWB's gentleman's C (Score:4, Informative)
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Context matters, Mr. Pedantic. The post was about astronauts, not pioneering female aviators or cosmonauts. In this particular context, "flew" refers to flying a space mission as an astronaut. But thanks for the fascinating, if tangential, information
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Context matters, Mr. Pedantic. The post was about astronauts, not pioneering female aviators or cosmonauts.
Cosmonauts are astronauts. Soviet or Russian ones specifically in modern parlance.
IOW female astronauts do actually count even if they're Ruskies.
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Hard to tell if you're being willfully ignorant, or revisionist, or if you really just don't know. Russion/Soview cosmonauts have never been referred to as astronauts, other than by people who don't know the difference. Learn something. [forbes.com]
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OK, I guess it's my day for being pedantic. The first welding in space was not done by a woman. The Russians tried to weld in space, from inside the spacecraft long before 1984, in the 60s. They nearly managed to kill themselves doing so.
The first woman spacewalk in space included welding. I am not sure that it was the first welding during extravehicular activity, given that building the space station took place much earlier.
Re:I miss GWB's gentleman's C (Score:4, Funny)
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It's only less momentous because most idiots don't know how to best describe it. Fortunately, I differ from most other idiots, so here you go: TWO CHICKS AT THE SAME TIME!
Re: That's one small step for womyn (Score:3)
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I thought GWB is a bridge.
Next up: All-black spacewalk, (Score:4, Insightful)
all-little people, spacewalk, all-legless-people spacewalk, all-trans spacewalk, all-non-human spacewalk, all-robot spacewalk, all-$special spacewalk, all-people-who-presume-everyone-finding-this-silly-is-a-sexist-to-bully-people spacewalk.
Why exactly do some morons believe, women must measure themselves with the yardsticks of things men enjoy or prioritize? To me, that is *really* sexist, as it inherently implies that those things women traditionally enjoy or prioritze would be inferior. Like a man doing someting "womanly" (like $stereotypicalFemaleHobby) wouldake him inferior too.
It defeats the whole delusion that this would be about equality instead of just ... about power.
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While these spacewalks are for practical purposes. NASA is highly visible agency, where a lot of funding is based on PR.
This shouldn't normally be news, however it being the first time, it was. Normally things are big deal the first time it happens then it become old news and matter of fact.
The real news is why after 50 years of space travel. This is happening now.
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Re:Next up: All-black spacewalk, (Score:4, Insightful)
While these spacewalks are for practical purposes. NASA is highly visible agency, where a lot of funding is based on PR.
This shouldn't normally be news, however it being the first time, it was. Normally things are big deal the first time it happens then it become old news and matter of fact.
The real news is why after 50 years of space travel. This is happening now.
But it isn't news.It is very blatent and in our face sexism. If every time a female does something and we have to gush and applaud, well that's like giving a child a participation trophy.
It simply does not matter after Svetlana Savitskaya's spacewalk in 1984. She was first.
Now explain the specialness, the technical exhibition, or anything that makes this groundbreaking because both astronauts have vaginas. What exactly makes the mission different or special? Cannot penis weilders perform this? No, it is only special if you are the gender that is allowed to be sexist.
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If every time a female does something and we have to gush and applaud, well that's like giving a child a participation trophy
The catch is that this is the first time. If they're gushing on the second or third, fine go get 'em tiger. However, we gush about the first time men do anything too. Remember the first man to set foot on the moon? Remember the seventh man who walked on the moon? Exactly. I can understand some folks issues with gushing all over the place, but whatever group in my book gets first time, that's fair game.
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I remember the first human to set foot on the moon. We were camping that week, but we brought along a small black and white TV in the trailer.
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If every time a female does something and we have to gush and applaud, well that's like giving a child a participation trophy
The catch is that this is the first time. If they're gushing on the second or third, fine go get 'em tiger. However, we gush about the first time men do anything too. Remember the first man to set foot on the moon? Remember the seventh man who walked on the moon? Exactly. I can understand some folks issues with gushing all over the place, but whatever group in my book gets first time, that's fair game.
No, it isn't the first time a female has spacewalked. There have been so many other females who have made spacewalks that your "7th man on the moon" concept fails pretty badly. The Russians were first, and an Americam woman Kathryn Sullivan, did the same year.
Kathryn Thornton has made multiple EVA's. Linda Godwin has made 2 spacewalks. Tamara E. Jernigan has spacewalked. Susan Helms has walked in space. Peggy Whitson has made 10 EVA's, the most recent 4 in 2017, for those of you who seem to think there ha
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No. It's the first time more than one woman has spacewalked at the same time. It's an incredibly yawn-inducing bit of news, and the only reason it exists in it's current form is the state of today's sexist media that has quotas about positive news about women. This article is the wood shavings that come when the bottom of the barrel is being scraped.
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Considering women have been prohibited from doing things men have done for centuries, have been told they're the ones who should be modest because men are too weak to witness some skin and might lose their minds, where laws have been passed to prevent women from doing things men did (it was illegal for women to run the Boston Marathon up until 1972), where even today any time a woman does something men immediately jump in to belittle their achievement (witness
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It is condescending. Ooh a woman in space! That can't be possible. It is almost 2020. Not 1960. Things have changed a bit in the past 60 years. Sexism isnt generally a problem anymore except for those who really really want it to still be a problem. They just pretend it is still the 60s. But it isnt. Feminists should just accept their victory and stop so desperately trying to still be victims.
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In lieu of modup: You win.
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Considering women have been prohibited from doing things men have done for centuries, have been told they're the ones who should be modest because men are too weak to witness some skin and might lose their minds, where laws have been passed to prevent women from doing things men did (it was illegal for women to run the Boston Marathon up until 1972), where even today any time a woman does something men immediately jump in to belittle their achievement (witness the recent attempts to denigrate Katie Bouman), if pointing out women making an accomplishment is considered blatent [sic] sexism, so be it.
Wow. Such a broad and bigoted and prejudiced brush you paint with.
I'm going to just decide that you are a troll, because some of the things you say are a little off. Can you show me the statute of law that made it illegal for Kathryn Switzer to run in the Boston Marathon? She first ran in 1967 - and yes, the rules were changed in 72.
But in your bigoted hatred of males, you don't mention the 67 event. Switzer was accosted by a race official, but her boyfriend, Thomas Miller, knocked the guy to the groun
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The point is, rather than your all men are evil outlook
#triggered
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If course, the only possible reason a person could have for articulating an impassioned and cogent argument is that they're triggered.
Well, one out of two ain't bad. The argument was certainly passionate. Of course according to some people it's a cogent argument to assume the mere mention of another gender is hating men.
#mralogic
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Considering women have been prohibited from doing things men have done for centuries,
And men have been prohibited from doing things women got to do, like leave when an enemy army showed up.
have been told they're the ones who should be modest because men are too weak to witness some skin and might lose their minds,
Do I need to go over how boys and men have had their sexuality restricted?
where laws have been passed to prevent women from doing things men did (it was illegal for women to run the Boston Marathon up until 1972),
So a spacewalk is important, because a half-century ago some people were overprotective?
denigrate Katie Bouman
Some sexists apparently thought this was a great opportunity to give her all of the credit for the efforts of an entire international group. Another group of people, including some sexists, pointed out that this was nonsense. Then a hoard of trol
Re:Next up: All-black spacewalk, (Score:5, Insightful)
Why exactly do some morons believe, women must measure themselves with the yardsticks of things men enjoy or prioritize? To me, that is *really* sexist, as it inherently implies that those things women traditionally enjoy or prioritze would be inferior.
Yet I could ask 100 women about this space walk, and they would know there are two women out.
But almost none could tell me the name of the first woman spacewalker, and none would know that she avtually did some breakthrough work.
No, the present day idea that men are some sort of evill entity keeping women down, that somehow doing things that women have been doing for years anyhow is just the idea that uness a vavina holder ccan be applauded for everything she does, she is being repressed by the patriarchy.
By the way, the First woman spacewalker was Svetlana Savitskaya, who performed welding experiments. That is the first, and a whole lot more groundbreaking than changing batteries.
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In the past, it was the fact that someone was out there, doing something special. The point being, where mankind had come to. The main point of the people doing stuff wasn't their color, gender or race, but that they were astronauts. And I guess for Americans and many others, that they were Russian or American... Now it feels more like propaganda.
Because it is propaganda. I can cite all the women that have been spacewalking since 1984, and the present narrative rejects it, with histrionics of This being incredibly noteworthy. because well yea - a woman walked in space in 1984, but none since - why does the patriarchy keep women inside the space station? Or the guy that is still pissed off about the Boston Marathon.
And woe onto any one that thinks it is just one more spacewalk. But it is.
NASA almost exclusively picks the right person for the tas
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You know what you'll never see? An all-Republican spacewalk, because it takes courage, and the ability to accomplish something.
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The astronauts are Air Force pilots. I bet plenty of the space walks have been all Republican.
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None of the original astronauts turned out to be Republicans, and they were Army, Air Force, Marine and Naval aviators, so you'd probably lose that bet.
There is the same "education gap" in regard to political preference in the military as there is in the general population. For the most part, the more accomplished, the more educated, the less likely to be GOP.
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all-little people, spacewalk, all-legless-people spacewalk, all-trans spacewalk, all-non-human spacewalk, all-robot spacewalk, all-$special spacewalk, all-people-who-presume-everyone-finding-this-silly-is-a-sexist-to-bully-people spacewalk.
It's significant because women comprise of slightly more than half the human race. Considering that there have been 227 spacewalkers [wikipedia.org] and this is the first all-female pair that's pretty significant.
Why exactly do some morons believe, women must measure themselves with the yardsticks of things men enjoy or prioritize? To me, that is *really* sexist, as it inherently implies that those things women traditionally enjoy or prioritze would be inferior. Like a man doing someting "womanly" (like $stereotypicalFemaleHobby) wouldake him inferior too.
It defeats the whole delusion that this would be about equality instead of just ... about power.
Why do you think only men enjoy or prioritize becoming astronauts? And why is being an astronaut "manly"?
I'm sure there's a lot more men who want to be astronauts, but women are on average smaller, which is actually a pretty good quality for an astronaut to have. I don't see any reason why men are better suited.
If
why is this news? (Score:4, Insightful)
If all things were truly equal, this would/should be a non-issue. Get over yourselves and just do the job- then it's equal.
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If I had any karma points, I'd load you up .It's fascinating that the people who are incessantly singing the praises of "we need moar gender/cultural/etc. equality" upon society are actually widening the divide between groups and seem to be oblivious of the fact. The irony runs thick.
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"If I had any karma points, I'd load you up .It's fascinating that the people who are incessantly singing the praises of "we need moar gender/cultural/etc. equality" upon society are actually widening the divide between groups and seem to be oblivious of the fact."
In what kind of messed up little world view does holding this event up for everyone with daughters to see widen a "divide" between .... men and women?
What divide? How small are you dude? How fucking small are you to think that way. Do you need
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holding this event up for everyone with daughters
Do you need someone to tell you, yes bro, you can be an astronaut too when you grow up?
So we should tell children that they can be astronauts, or we shouldn't?
Grow the fuck up, you god damned man-child.
Ah, you're a deranged sexist that both:
1. Thinks women are too empty-headed to look at a man doing something and think "I could do that", while at the same time anyone that finds that condescending is a woman-hater holding back progress.
2. Merely imagines someone encouraging boys and becomes enraged to the point of repeatedly insulting this made-up person.
If you think "feminism" in 20fucking19 needs an opposition movement, you are a troll, period.
A political movement that should never be opposed, ever. Uh, yeah. Sounds like
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If all things were truly equal
Well then maybe all things aren't truly equal. Some evidence: we've been in space for 50+ years, and this is the first time this has happened.
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Historical Context Matters. It's a chance to reflect. Keep in mind that there are a lot of people (for example, all of our close ally Saudi Arabia's leadership) who would like to return to a time when women were property of men without full human rights. We as a species are nowhere's near equality, and it's good to remember that least we regress.
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This was also the first time the President of the United States talked with astronauts outside their spacecraft since 1969. Why does it bother you that women were involved?
There are ZERO reasons for anyone here to be salty about this. Grow up.
Re: why is this news? (Score:2)
It's newsworthy because it took so long to find two women that would agree to go out wearing the same outfit.
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Things are (reasonably) equal. People aren't. Life, and especially sex, would be damn dull if men and women were the same. Men and women have different interests, and thus, left to their own devices, populate various fields with differing gender balances. This is more true in egalitarian societies that bend over backwards to remove any gender bias in career counseling, training, hiring, etc.
Equality of opportunity is good. Equality of outcomes can only happen through a lot of evil.
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That's the point, all things are not equal.
Of course not. We certainly weren't going to risk killing women on our first few attempts at strapping someone to a tower full of explosives and hurling them into an airless, radiation-fill void. And even if we had been, women tend to sign up for that kind of thing less frequently.
For some reason it's 2019 and this is the first time it's happened.
Women make up about 10% of the astronaut population. So picking a pair at random would give a 1% chance of picking two women.
There have been about 150 paired spacewalks. After taking in to account the incredibly-risky all-male e
Of the hundreds of ISS space walks... (Score:2, Insightful)
Of the hundreds of ISS space walks performed by people trained to accomplish their tasks---this is one of them.
There's news, fake news, and now...no news.
Let me know when they train a dog to do a spacewalk.
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let me know when someone trains a dog to moonwalk. I'd love to see that shit. Any YT links?
Its sad that this has to be news (Score:2)
Really sad. 50 years after the moon sad.
Non story (Score:1)
Getting to be an astronaut is a big deal. I have a couple of friends who made it pretty far through the process, but not quite. One was DQ'd at the very last cut only because she had a condition that NASA flight surgeons had never encountered before (calcium crystals in the optic nerve .... THAT is how thorough the physical examinations are) and they were uncertain if it would be problematic in microgravity.
Getting to be an astronaut is a big deal. You have to be incredible competent, not just physically
So many against women space walkers (Score:2)
Poor incels (Score:1)
They can't handle the idea that the women who won't fuck them might be right.
Here kids, get this one too (Score:2)
Everybody knows that only incels get angry when someone suggests that women have been abused throughout history, and that it might make sense to give them a hand up after they've had a foot on their head so many times.
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You're talking to yourself, and getting angrier and angrier.
Do you need help?
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Yes. I need relief from incels who mod bomb me because they think I deserve it because they're unfuckable. Nice to know you're likely among them.
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I need relief from incels who mod bomb me because they think I deserve it because they're unfuckable. Nice to know you're likely among them.
Don't worry, you have my solemn promise that I'll reply rather than mod.
I mean, how could I help myself. You're the most amusing little bundle of impotent rage on this site.
It's made even better as you rant about abusing women and not getting to have sex with them, and then pretend you're totally not the one with those problems.
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They did get promoted back in the 1980s with the first spacewalks of Svetlana Savitskaya and then Kathryn Dwyer Sullivan.
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They did get promoted back in the 1980s with the first spacewalks of Svetlana Savitskaya and then Kathryn Dwyer Sullivan.
Is your assertion that event made everything better?
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For the Soviet Union and then the USA...
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Is your assertion that event made everything better?
Yes a woman managed to do something once therefore there's no oppression any more and actually there never was anyway and therefore everything now is perfectly equal I mean everything always perfectly equal as always in fact men are oppressed. Also sometimes women commit CRIMES. And why do you hate men???
You don't end discrimination by trumpeting this (Score:5, Insightful)
Sally Ride [wikipedia.org] was a great example. She was gay [browardpalmbeach.com]. But she rightfully understood that dividing people into groups and trying to equalize the groups isn't how you end discrimination. You end it by making it so people no longer care about the groupings in the first place, which is why she never made a big deal about it. Celebrate the people because of their achievement, not because they represent a subsection of the population. Stop trying to divide the world into us vs them,
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True diversity and equality can only be achieved when we no longer care about the gender, race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation, age, etc.
Yes, but that doesn't mean the solution is to stop caring. The solution is to get to the stage where there is no reason to care.
In this case it's never happened before, so it's noteworthy. Now it has happened we can care a little bit less the 2nd and 3rd times, and eventually not at all.
You can't just say "the world is equal now" and it magically is, you have to actually make it so.
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True diversity and equality can only be achieved when we no longer care about the gender, race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation, age, etc. of the people achieving something.
I think you got this backward.
When true diversity and equality is achieved, then we will no longer care about the gender, race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation, age, etc. of the people achieving something.
You seem to be saying that in order to achieve true equality, we should all "fake it" and act as if it was already achieved. Well we tried that. For centuries. And we all know how well it worked.
You seem to forget (or willingly ignore) that there are people today actively fighting against equalit
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Yet when you divide people and give a "historically repressed" group special treatment, you end up increasing the number of your so-called "cavemen", because those who didn't have any skin in the game are now suddenly feeling oppressed.
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It isn't even the first "All-Female" spacewalk.
It's just the first "two women and no men" spacewalk.
Sweden Represents! (Score:2)
Jessica Meir is half-Swedish, with both US and Swedish citizenship.*
That makes her the second Swedish astronaut, after Christer Fuglesang. So us Swedes are happy about that...
Her mother is Swedish from the small town Västerås. (Pronounced "Westeros". G.R.R. Martin didn't know a real place with that name existed before writing Game of Thrones, but he does now)
Her father is of Iraqi Jewish descent, from Israel. Her parents met in USA where she has lived most of her life.
(* Wikipedia also mentions I
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Her paternal Grandmother was Cherokee Indian.
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Pronounced "Westeros". G.R.R. Martin didn't know a real place with that name existed before writing Game of Thrones, but he does now
I think he did, but I suspect he wasn't thinking of Sweden. I took a road trip round Scotland a few years ago. I passed the Wester Ross mountains and crossed the Blackwater. There were a few others too and at that point I was like "ooooooohhhhhh".
One Small Step for Woman (Score:3)
Just as planned... (Score:3, Insightful)
This is nice and all and more power too them but defining it by sex rather than basing it on merit lessens the achievement.
Its like the term diversity, its supposed to be a good thing, maybe it is but in the US diversity has come to mean no white men
One merely look to the NFL as an example, its a league made up of 68% Black and yet they instituted the Rooney rule because it was felt by some in the league that the NFL was not diverse enough.
NASA didn't have a gender problem (Score:4, Informative)
https://time.com/5663315/space-gender-diversity/
Cool, Nasa! (Score:2)
Bragging that you are so cool to let 2 chicks outside the space station alone, without male supervision, in 2019.
And with a cordless screwdriver on top.
Less-covered part of this news (Score:2)
This is the first time that two astronauts have actually looked at the manual before embarking on a repair job - so it may go faster than usual.
And, if they get turned around, they may actually ask directions.
News for doing what (Score:2)
Spacewalks are 1980s news.
In other news... (Score:2)
https://babylonbee.com/news/na... [babylonbee.com]
Space Walkin' (Score:2)
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Easy....
The guys in the space station just lock the door for a week.
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But then there won't be anybody on board to get the actual work done.
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That's ok, these days, guys can cook for themselves.
But what if that ... (Score:1)
gay-trans black ArabRussian-MexicanChinese Jew trans-furry womyn_*.com is a complete child rapist?
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And they are all equally stupid and all from right-wing jackoffs like you.
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Ouch...at -1 now....
I guess I triggered the triggere
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Geez, get a sense of humor.
Sense of humour? Where was the joke. I saw sarcasm, but nothing funny. Care to explain?
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I think they would love a "real" sandwich in space, but sliced bread's density is too low---so they eat a lot of pita bread "sandwiches".
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I think it's great that we celebrate achievement, but why do we have to segregate everyone. I feel like the more "inclusive" we try to be, the more we do this. When will the first blonde haired Mormon transgender blasian with downs syndrome make their first spacewalk? Until then, we are just celebrating eliteism.
Because the "inclusive crowd is the most racist, sexist and focused upon genitalia and who wants to have sex with who crowd that has ever existed.
One of my guiding principles is that people of deep ideology are pathological liars. It isn't always the case, but oh, so often
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One of my guiding principles is that people of deep ideology are pathological liars.
You see to have a pretty strong ideology there... Unless you are lying about it. Bugger.
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By comparison they do make the old Moral Majority look like libertines.
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The staticky voice transmissions of humans in space have traditionally been male. I wish my child self could have heard it, she might have felt that space was a viable career for her.
So a bunch of boys managed to listen to zero voices from space, and still managed to turn that into a career. But you listened to men who were already up there and couldn't imagine joining them? That's just ... weird.
The world is still firmly stratified based on class, gender, color, etc. and it's not helpful to pretend that it isn't
If you're watching a bunch of men and women of all races cooperating in space, and your first thought is about social stratification, maybe this comment is more about what's going on in your head than the people doing EVAs.
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and your first thought is about social stratification, maybe this comment is more about what's going on in your head than the people doing EVAs.
Denying that stratification doesn't exist doesn't make it go away. Much like the posters above, pretending we have equality doesn't mean we actually do. Neither does simply stopping caring about make it not exist.
And yeah it's fine for the OP to think about this being a step in the direction of a better world. Certainly better than a bunch of triggered AF nutjobs th
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Denying that stratification doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.
But obsessing about it does? If everything is a political fight for some people, fine, but that doesn't make the people with other priorities wrong.
It is news because it's new. That's what news means.
It's far, far less newsworthy than the first woman in space. It's far less newsworthy than the first time women did the dozens of different jobs in the space program. It's maybe a bit below the first time we have a spacewalk with no Americans or Russians, and a bit above an all-left-handed spacewalk.
And yeah it's fine for the OP to think about this being a step in the direction of a better world.
It would be absurd to say that their emotional reaction is wron
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But obsessing about it does?
So your argument is what? We should ignore it and hope it goes away by itself?
If everything is a political fight for some people, fine, but that doesn't make the people with other priorities wrong.
A fine point, but utterly irrelevant to the topic.
It's far, far less newsworthy than the first woman in space.
Yes and eventually when things get closer and closer to equality it'll get less and less newsworthy until finally it's not news worthy at all. That's the goal. However a lot of
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But obsessing about it does?
So your argument is what? We should ignore it and hope it goes away by itself?
Yes, absolutely. If you're so invested in fighting sexism that either every conversation is about sexism or you censor yourself completely, you'll help the movement far more by letting your more moderate colleagues bring it up if and when it's productive.
I want these things to cease to be news worthy. But I want it because they're unremarkable not because a bunch of MRAs declare it by fiat to be not newsworthy.
You: I wish this wasn't newsworthy.
Internet: It isn't, we're not sure why the article isn't about the repairs being done, and the trivial detail about sex of the people involved isn't relegated to the end or some sidebar.
You: No! I'm the only one who ca
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Yes, absolutely.
No! I'm not going to stand by and do nothing and hope the world gets a better place all by itself. That's the coward's way out.
You: I wish this wasn't newsworthy.
Yes.
Internet: It isn't,
Internet: mostly agrees.
MRAs/ incels: [shit themselves]
Me: Are you upset because some people are less sexist than you?
So... you're accusing me of sexism now? Interesting.
You: Yes!
I see, now you've moved smoothly from wishful thinking to wilful misrepresentation. Nice!
I generally let my own five nieces make up
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So... you're accusing me of sexism now? Interesting.
Uh yeah. I see two skilled technicians doing a difficult job in harsh conditions, and respect them for doing it even if it has been done before.
You (and the news media) treat it as routine, until you realize what sex they are, and then it's super newsworthy. And OMG how dare anyone think it's not, because don't they know what sex they are? It's so important, because sex!
If that's not sexist, it's at least sex-obsessed. It also explains why 'sexism' is what you assume everyone else has.
Some people care more about what people are than who they are, and those people are morons.
There are still plenty of people like that in the world, we both know that. what I want to know is why you want to simply stand aside and hope they stop all by themselves.
Yes, I was talking