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NASA is Sending an Atomic Clock Into Deep Space (howstuffworks.com) 71

An anonymous reader shares a report: On Saturday, June 22, SpaceX plans to launch its Falcon Heavy Rocket out of the Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral, Florida. The reusable craft is coming off two successful flights; its maiden launch in early 2018 and a satellite delivery trip in April 2019. For its third adventure, the Falcon Heavy will ferry a trove of precious cargo up into space. Around two dozen satellites are going along for the ride this time. But the rocket's most interesting passenger has to be the Orbital Test Bed satellite. Its main payload is an experimental, toaster-sized gizmo called the Deep Space Atomic Clock (DSAC). If the thing works properly, future missions to Mars, Jupiter and beyond could become a whole lot easier -- and less expensive.
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NASA is Sending an Atomic Clock Into Deep Space

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  • It will run fast...

  • by ardmhacha ( 192482 ) on Monday June 10, 2019 @03:39PM (#58740862)

    "Built-in atomic clocks help GPS satellites determine the distance between themselves and your smartphone. With that info, they can pinpoint your whereabouts."

    What a terrible way to describe the process

    GPS satellites do not determine the distance between themselves and your smartphone. They do not pinpoint your whereabouts.

    Your phone, working with information transmitted from the GPS satellites determines your distance from those satellites and hence pinpoints your whereabouts

    • So in this context, a "terrible" description means "exactly and completely wrong in every detail".

    • Also yes and no. While most modern cell phones have real dedicated GPS chips within, few actually use them as true GPS, but rather Assisted GPS or AGPS.

      In 99.99% of the time, your location is calculated by bouncing a signal to nearby cell towers who have a KNOWN location (in the olden days of GPS they might be call base stations used for accuracy correction for real GPS). By measuring the time it takes for the signal to return from multiple known call tower locations your phone is able to pinpoint your loca

  • Gizmodo has a nice video explaining time's role in navigation and GPS.

    Watch it here [youtube.com]

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Informative)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday June 10, 2019 @03:57PM (#58740974)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • by BenBoy ( 615230 ) on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:39PM (#58741264)
      That's what they want you to think ... if you can't be bothered to do a little research on the conspiracy between MLB and atomic space toasters used by Burger King to ... wait a minute, you said "whopper" ... you're one of them, aren't you? AREN'T YOU???
    • by ledow ( 319597 )

      Yep, so many people get it wrong.

      The satellites are all just shouting something "at exactly the same time". Depending on which one you "hear" first, lets you work out which one is closest, second-closest, etc. and because they are far enough apart, you can work out where you must be.

      In reality they aren't shouting, just telling you what *they* think the time is, but it's pretty much the same thing as having them shout in perfect synchronicity after you do a bit of maths.

      You can literally just demonstrate t

  • by oldgraybeard ( 2939809 ) on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:24PM (#58741168)
    around in less than 90 days ;) Wow
    "its maiden launch in early 2018 and a satellite delivery trip in April 2019"
    "On Saturday, June 22, SpaceX plans to launch its Falcon Heavy Rocket"

    Just my 2 cents ;)
  • by Anonymous Coward

    If we are launching an atomic clock into space to maintain an orbit, then there is a problem thanks to Einstein.

    As the speed of the clock increases toward the speed of light, time will slow. It will be a very tiny difference, but there will be a difference. I would imagine that over many, many years of maintaining a high velocity orbit, the time difference between this clock and ground based clocks might have to be dealt with.

    • GPS sats already account for relativity-induced errors. Its a known issue and has been dealt with in practice for decades.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      True. In fact, GPS satellites DO deal with it.

      But the effect is very small. Orbital velocity, v, is about 7 km/sec. The speed of light, c, is 300,000 km/second. The time dilation factor is SQRT(1-v^2/c^2).

      Exercise for the student: compute what the time dilation factor is for a clock on a spaceship moving at orbital velocity.

      Extra credit: using an internet search to find gravitational redshift, (hint: use the "00" component of the metric g_mn) calculate the gravitational effect on the clock rate.

      • by anegg ( 1390659 )
        I believe that for the GPS system(s), corrections are made by the GPS system management controls on the surface of the earth in order to keep the satellite clocks in sync with the ground clocks as acceleration causes the satellite clocks to fall behind the ground clocks. In the case of clocks on board spacecraft, the correction would not be necessary if the clocks are being merely used to determine time delays between signal round trips. On the other hand, if all of the "deep space clocks" are expected to
      • by Anonymous Coward

        Yes, in human time scales, it is very small.

        But for GPS to work, the time must be very precise and the error very small too!

    • by tricorn ( 199664 )

      They already deal with this in current GPS satellites, this is no different.

      Besides velocity, the strength of the gravitational field also affects time.

    • by jrumney ( 197329 )
      The problem is not thanks to Einstein. The fact that we know about it and can already have solutions ready before launching the satellite is thanks to Einstein.
    • by ledow ( 319597 )

      There is absolutely no such thing as a fixed universal time base, precisely because of the problems you state. People misunderstand this greatly that there's a "time" across the universe that you can all do something or set your clocks to. It just doesn't work like that.

      Like velocity, time is relative. Going "60mph" doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things when the earth is rotating, orbiting the Sun, which is itself rotating and orbiting the galaxy, which is itself rotating and orbiting a bla

    • by necro81 ( 917438 )

      If we are launching an atomic clock into space to maintain an orbit, then there is a problem thanks to Einstein.

      Damn, somebody needs to tell NASA quick! I don't think they could possibly have figured that one out without your help, Anonymous Coward!

  • Clickbait (Score:5, Informative)

    by Netdoctor ( 95217 ) on Monday June 10, 2019 @05:18PM (#58741544)

    Skip the clickbaity dumbed down article, go straight to the release:

    https://www.nasa.gov/mission_p... [nasa.gov]

  • by PPH ( 736903 ) on Monday June 10, 2019 @05:28PM (#58741616)

    ... dependent on an accurate time base? That Harrison [wikipedia.org] guy is just stirring up trouble again. Just pay him his reward and maybe he'll go away.

  • Soviets send sub-atomic clock into space, to land on the Moon and claim Mars from there!

    Yes, komrade!

  • Okay, clocks are important, but if there's a "trove of precious cargo" maybe they could mention some of the other items being sent.

  • The second generation GPS satellites have 2 Rubidium atomic clocks and 2 Caesium atomic clocks. Both of the elements are in the Alkali metals column of the periodic table and appear as elements #37 and #55. Other Rubidium oscillator providers claim to off by less than 2 ns per day. For NASA to claim their Mercury based atomic clock drifts by no more than 1 ns every 10 days is really impressive.

    However, given Mercury is #80 on the periodic table, I suddenly recall a Marty McFly quote: "This is heavy" [youtube.com]

  • I want to believe this clock is sent up there to create fake Michelson-Morley or Sagnac interferometry results.
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