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NASA Executive Quits Weeks After Appointment To Lead 2024 Moon Landing Plan (reuters.com) 111

A top NASA executive hired in April to guide strategy for returning astronauts to the moon by 2024 has resigned, the space agency said on Thursday, the culmination of internal strife and dwindling congressional support for the lunar initiative. From a report: Mark Sirangelo, named six weeks ago as special assistant to NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine, left the agency as NASA abandoned a reorganization plan due to a chilly reception on Capitol Hill, Bridenstine said in a statement. His departure came after lawmakers rejected NASA's proposal to create a separate directorate within the space agency to oversee future lunar missions and ultimately develop human exploration of Mars. [...] Last week, the Trump administration asked Congress to increase NASA's spending next year by $1.6 billion as a "down payment" on the accelerated goal of landing Americans back on the moon by 2024, more than half a century after the end of the U.S. Apollo lunar program.
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NASA Executive Quits Weeks After Appointment To Lead 2024 Moon Landing Plan

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  • NASA is supposed to do more with less funding every year. Going back to the Moon as a PR stunt is totally doable by 2024.
    • by lgw ( 121541 ) on Friday May 24, 2019 @01:26PM (#58649170) Journal

      NASA still has a massive budget, vastly more than SpaceX will spend to actally get the job done. NASA is completely hamstrung by congress, and has been since the Apollo program was cancelled. Their funding is so earmarked that 10x the budget that should be needed still won't get the job done.

      Congress has no interest in launch men to the moon, they only care about launching taxpayer dollars into their districts, and there's really nothing NASA can do about it. The space shuttle was a boondoggle from start to finish. Not a part of it was appropriate for the missions it performed. Do you think NASA chose that stupid "not a spaceplane, not re-usable, but with all the downsides of both" design? Of course not - it was forced on them by Nixon's budget office.

      Do you think NASA really needed tens of billions of dollars to strap together used shuttle parts and launch them? SpaceX had so much trouble with their heavy lift rocket that they consider it a failure, and it actually works and cost 1% of what NASA spent to have nothing. Why do you think 100x the needed funding didn't get the job done? It's not incompetent engineering!

      When NASA spends 100x what a project should reasonably costs, and still fails, flushing more money down the drain won't solve the problem. The problem is not lack of funds. The problem is not technical. The problem is corruption, and it's not going away.

      • Do you think NASA really needed tens of billions of dollars to strap together used shuttle parts and launch them?

        Launch vehicle is only one aspect of the lunar program. NASA still have to build out Lunar Gateway [arstechnica.com], lander, rover, and new spacesuits for men and women to the walk on the Moon. The original date for 2028 was to get there before the Chinese established their own moonbase in the 2030s. That was questionable. Now it's 2024 as a PR stunt [chron.com] by the administration. That proposed $1.6B budget request for NASA is coming out of funds [houstonchronicle.com] for low income college students.

        • by lgw ( 121541 ) on Friday May 24, 2019 @02:12PM (#58649462) Journal

          Launch vehicle is only one aspect of the lunar program. NASA still have to build out Lunar Gateway, lander, rover, and new spacesuits for men and women to the walk on the Moon.

          NASA has a much better track record with payloads than with rockets, which is why I confine my rant to rockets. I'd love to see them officially abandon lifters, and move to commercial launch for their payloads.

          • I'd love to see them officially abandon lifters, and move to commercial launch for their payloads.

            This is tricky.

            I agree. We've solved the "get stuff off the ground and into orbit" problem. Now leave it to private industry to find a way to do it cheaper.

            On the other hand, one thing I like is seeing is NASA trying to get better performance out of the Space Shuttle Main Engines which burn liquid hydrogen. I also like to see NASA doing research & development on ion engines, nuclear propulsion, and any other propulsion ideas that come around.

            I, too, would like to see NASA get out of the rocket busine

            • The problem is that NASA designs rockets but doesn't build them -- their contractors do the building. If NASA both designed and built rockets, they'd do fine. If NASA neither designed nor built but just bought, they'd do fine. But they have the worst of both worlds, maximizing inefficiency.

            • by lgw ( 121541 )

              The SSME was designed and built by Rocketdyne, who also built the engines for the Saturn V. It never made much sense to use it on the first stage: it has a low thrust-to-weight ratio, and hydrogen in general is just not what you want. Hydralox engines are very efficient, but hydrogen fuel tanks are very bulky, which has various downsides for a first stage. It never made a lot of sense for a vessel that can't leave orbit.

              NASA has really not done any impressive work in general in rocket design in several d

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      • by sl3xd ( 111641 )

        The space shuttle was a boondoggle from start to finish.

        Eh... it started out OK. The Space Transport System was actually a good idea for giving NASA interplanetary manned capabilities, and the shuttle was only a tiny part of it. The Shuttle was to be fully reusable, and much, much simpler.

        At that point, it wasn't a bad idea... the shuttle was to be simple, light, cheap, and single purpose (orbital launch).

        But that was before politicians decided they should dictate how NASA got to space, instead of asking NASA to provide an orbital launch system.

        And then the Air

      • Yep! Yep! This is what I love about SpaceX (and other competitors too like Amazon, trying to get into the game). The new "space race" is going to be among successful private businesses who see who can accomplish various useful goals in space first.

        NASA doesn't even seem to have a cohesive plan, beyond "Give us enough money and then we'll see how we can spend it to rehash what we already did back in 1969 ... maybe adding some kind of fuzzy concept for a lunar base, to help ensure you give us all those tax

        • Yep! Yep! This is what I love about SpaceX (and other competitors too like Amazon, trying to get into the game). The new "space race" is going to be among successful private businesses who see who can accomplish various useful goals in space first.

          Yeah yeah, yeah. This will be the triumph of free enterprise until the inevitable happens, and a few of these things go kaboom, sadly, taking people with them.

          Then it will be an argument over the no true free market rocket, and figuring out how to blame it on NASA game.

          I actually believe that this transitioning from NASA to quasi-private industry is a good thing. But watching the buzz lately, the companies and fans are getting a bigger infection of hubris than any Pre-Challenger launch NASA ever had.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Mercury, Gemini, early Apollo, and Skylab were "get it done, you're the experts, do what you have to" projects done by "can-do" people. THEN the rot completely set in and the politicians totally made it pay-for-play ("you want the funding? send work to my constituents.") witht he end of Apollo, all the planetary/galactic missions, and the shuttle. If they actually LET the NASA staff design/procure/construct/launch/manage the project then it'll be on-budget and a success (IF they could find staff as compe

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by guruevi ( 827432 )

      NASA has, adjusted for inflation the same or bigger budget than the years of the Apollo project.

      • Are you sure about that? That doesn't jive with what I found.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

        Budget from 1963 to 1970 fluctuates between 20 and 43 billion dollars in 2014 dollars. The 1966 year was the top.

        Today it's 20 billion dollars. I guess it's about the same as it was during the early and very late years of Apollo.

    • NASA's budget has pretty much been constant since the 1970s [wikipedia.org] in inflation-adjusted dollars. The only metric by which it's shrinking is as % of the total Federal budget. But that's because of massive increases in Social Security and Medicare. Just because those costs are ballooning is no reason to increase the budget of programs whose costs are not ballooning.
    • NASA is supposed to do more with less funding every year. Going back to the Moon as a PR stunt is totally doable by 2024.

      Good FP. I'd even give it a funny mod point if I ever had one to give.

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      If I were a presidential historian, I think the only

    • No. Not without 8 billion PER LAUNCH plus designing and building an entirely new rocket that does not exist at present, or recreating the Saturns with zero institutional memory of how it's done.
  • So, can I have the job? I'm qualified. I've been playing Kerbal Space Program for like... weeks.

  • I am a astrophile. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Friday May 24, 2019 @01:21PM (#58649160) Journal

    I am a committed devotee of all things space and science fiction and have been for nearly 50 years.
    I am deeply convinced that space exploration should be one of our highest priorities.
    I am certain that the best possible steps to human expansion in space begins with the US (not China, not Russia) establishing the first permanent lunar habitation, as well as the norms of operation in space.
    I am a deeply committed (albeit not very good) Kerbal Space enthusiast. ...and all that as a given, if I was in charge and said "OK guys, we really, SERIOUSLY need to get our ass into space in a sustainable fashion" and NASA's response was "ok yeah, here's a whole new bureaucracy we'd like to create within our already massively top-heavy bureaucracy" I'd probably cut their bloody funding as well.

    Could they be more of a caricature of themselves?

    The US hosts possibly one of the greatest collections of scientific and capable minds on Earth in NASA, overseen by the most bureaucratic, time-serving, risk-averse (I mean to their careers, not particularly human safety except where it would impact the former) papershufflers since the scuttling legions of scribes in Byzantium.

    If I said "Let's really go into space!" and their response was "Here's our new org chart!" I'd probably shutter the damned place and turn their budget over to Musk and Bezos.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      religious nonsense
      space is a dead end
      your sci-fi dreams were nothing more than the idle daydreams of bored juvenile hacks and propagandists

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      NASA seems to be about 24% administrative positions. Personally I think that's way too many for an effective technical organization, but it's actually not too bad in a relative sense. SpaceX is a private company but some people have made estimates based on LinkedIn profiles, and those tend to come out in the 20-22% range.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    What? I hate science and exploring space now!

    • Trump isn’t really in “favor” of science as much as he wants to brag he put Americans back on the moon and on Mars. I am certain that Trump won’t know or understand why that could take a decade and he won’t be President when it happens.
      • he wants to brag he put Americans back on the moon and on Mars.

        So what? If that means we get back to the moon sooner and to mars who cares whether Trump is on an ego trip?

        • Do you know why it could take a decade? Some things cannot be done now and sooner just because someone commands it. Trump is the PHB we all despise. He makes edicts and expects it to be done.
          • Yes, I understand why it could take a decade. That doesn't mean the motivation behind trying to improve that deadline or giving focus to NASA should matter.

            If Trumps ego gets us to the Moon or Mars faster then I think that is a win. Who cares why Trumps does it.

            • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

              I never said that. What I said is all Trump cares about is that he gets the credit now for a project that won’t finish now. He won’t understand why NASA won’t launch now. If you are the director of this project would you like Trump as your boss not only demanding results but incapable of understanding the reasons. I’ve dealt with those bosses before. They can make your job unbearable.

              The flip side is that Trump once understands it won’t launch in his Presidency, he has no qual

        • And then what? If he spends the entire budget on wave the flag projects then there is nothing left for the actual science. Or off world colonization. A better plan would be: 1-build a launch loop, to drop getting to space into the air travel price range. 2-Build an Oneal cylinder orbital habitat. Send to Jupiter as home base for a long duration exploration of those moons.
  • Alice Kramden is the only person that should be going to the moon.

    Go to Mars, or go home.

  • As long as the snot-nosed brat in the White House wants to go to the Moon, I do not.
    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      As long as the snot-nosed brat in the White House wants to go to the Moon...

      one way. Then we build a Dyson wall around Earth and make him pay for it.

  • The rest of the world is talking about going to Mars, mining asteroids, developing renewable power, and our "bring back coal" idiot-in-chief wants to go to the moon. One more way he's making 'murica great again!

    • by Anonymous Coward

      The difference between Trump and the rest of the world is that Trump is actually executing on his plan.

    • Asteroids? When the rings of Jupiter have plentiful ice for water sources in orbit?

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      The rest of the world is talking about going to Mars, mining asteroids...

      Then their probes crash. Talk is cheap.

  • Mark did a great job at SNC as well as his extra work in Denver, but, this approach to going to the moon, is the wrong way.
    The gateway is far too expensive, and zubrins approach is probably the much lower cost approach.
  • You gotta wait until China goes. Then this will light a fire under Congress' ass.

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