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Sealed Cache of Moon Rocks To Be Opened By NASA (nydailynews.com) 57

"Scientists are hoping to unlock some of the universe's mysteries through 50-year-old moon rocks," reports the New York Daily News -- specifically, three samples that spent that half century sealed in airtight canisters. One Apollo 18 sample from 1972 contains 1.8 pounds of a vacuum-sealed lunar core that is a stratified layer of rock that will be studied by six research teams. About 842 pounds of lunar rocks and soil have been brought back to Earth over six missions. Although a great deal of it has found its way to science labs, technological breakthroughs should allow for a more thorough comprehension of the satellite's chemical and geological composition...

"When the previous generations did Apollo, they knew the technology they had in that day was not the technology we would have in this day," said NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine. "So they made a determination that they would preserve samples. ⦠I'd like to thank, if it's OK, the Apollo generation, for preserving these samples, so that our generation could have this opportunity."

An anonymous Slashdot reader writes, "That's remarkable considering how often moon rocks were misplaced over the years."
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Sealed Cache of Moon Rocks To Be Opened By NASA

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 17, 2019 @11:36AM (#58288140)
    That rocks from the moon are more than 50 years old.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    If only there was a way to get hold of more samples of moon rocks. Then we wouldn't need to preserve samples of them in vacuums for future generations.

    • I'm pretty convinced that one of the first commercial Moon mining operations will be bringing back plain old rocks for the express purpose of auctioning off tiny pieces to be used in fancy jewelry etc. "Give your significant other the Moon, limited supply, available for limited time only!". For a period it could exceed mass value of cut diamonds.
  • Apollo 18 ??? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 17, 2019 @11:39AM (#58288160)

    Apollo 18 ? Really ?

  • by Anonymous Coward

    At least not one that flew to the Moon.

  • by Scholasticus ( 567646 ) on Sunday March 17, 2019 @12:08PM (#58288250) Journal
    There have been many very bad "horror in space" movies, but that one was among the worst.
  • mankind to overpopulate and ruin the earths ecosystems.
    It's no longer profitable to do stuff here so they are moving on to the next closest body to exploit.

    • by Megol ( 3135005 )

      We. Aren't. Overpopulated. It's a myth and a bad myth at that. The problems are elsewhere even if an increased population of course increase need for resources.

      • We. Aren't. Overpopulated. It's a myth and a bad myth at that

        We are overpopulated because our use of resources far exceeds their replacement rate.

    • Agree on polluting the ecosystem. But nearly all of the world's population growth is happening in developing countries [sustainablescale.org]. Some developed nations like Japan are even experiencing a population decrease (which can have interesting effects on things like the housing market [cnn.com]). Even in the U.S. with its minuscule 0.6% population growth last year (among the highest in developed countries), roughly half of that is due to immigration [brookings.edu], only half due to natural population growth.

      Economic development and progress in
      • Economic development and progress in science and technology are the solution to overpopulation - it makes people stop having as many kids.

        Nature, ..erm... , finds a way. Even in first world countries, where population is not showing a net growth, you can see a mix of people with zero children, and people with 5+ children. The first group will die out in one generation, the other group will multiply by 5+, and will dominate in 5-10 generations.

    • Quoting the infamous Cave Johnson, CEO of Aperature Science, from his 1981 recordings:

      "The bean counters told me we literally could not afford to buy seven dollars worth of moon rocks, much less seventy million. Bought 'em anyway. Ground 'em up, mixed em into a gel."

      "And guess what? Ground up moon rocks are pure poison. I am deathly ill."

      "Still, it turns out they're a great portal conductor. So now we're gonna see if jumping in and out of these new portals can somehow leech the lunar poison out of a man's b

  • Uh, Apollo 18? (Score:4, Informative)

    by Steve1952 ( 651150 ) on Sunday March 17, 2019 @12:18PM (#58288282)
    Hate to nitpick, but the "public" Apollo missions stopped at Apollo 17. You just blew their cover!
  • by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Sunday March 17, 2019 @12:24PM (#58288300) Journal

    ...it's that they were prescient enough to know that all the bullshit about space bases and stations aside, by Apollo 18 it was clear that the US government was likely stupid enough to simply 'give up' on space and 50 years later these would be the only pristine samples we'd have available by then. /weep

    • They were SO stupid they gave up on Apollo 18 before it even happened (and vacuum-sealed bits of rocks from the front lawn, probably...)

    • I wasn't aware that the [wikipedia.org] U.S. [wikipedia.org] government [wikipedia.org] gave [wikipedia.org] up [wikipedia.org] on [wikipedia.org] space [wikipedia.org].

      Compared to unmanned spacecraft, landers, and rovers, sending people into space incurs enormous additional costs completely disproportional to the small increase in science gained. If/when we can get launch and life support costs down to something reasonable (currently it costs nearly 50 people's lifetime productivity just to send one person into space once), then we can begin manned space exploration in earnest. But in the meantime, unmanned sp
    • I'm pretty sure there are more pristine samples where those came from.

  • MOON SPIDERS! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by l0n3s0m3phr34k ( 2613107 ) on Sunday March 17, 2019 @01:59PM (#58288598)
    First, I had to double-check my calender that it isn't April 1st. Then I double-checked NASA's website [nasa.gov] to make sure Apollo 18 never happened. I also RTFA, just to make sure it says "Apollo 18", and it sure does. Not sure just who to attribute this FAIL to; NYDN or Slashdot.

    NASA better be careful, that bag is probably full of moon spiders. [fandom.com]
  • So the question for NASA is when should they open this last supply of moon rocks for study. The longer they wait, the more advanced our science will be, but also the longer they wait, the longer we go without the knowledge that today's science can unlock. Well, obviously now is the right time. Why? Because soon the cache will be worthless when SpaceX returns new samples, so this is the last chance to do real science from the Apollo missions.

    • Keep the box closed. Those aren't moon rocks, they're eggs!

    • It's not really the "last supply" though. The samples (hundreds of them) were bagged individually and then packed in containers (IIRC 9 containers in total). These were sealed on the Moon surface, so the inside of the container is a vacuum.

      6 containers were unpacked and made available for study right away. 3 containers were left sealed [astronaut.com]. The proposal from TFA is to open one of the 3 sealed containers and use one of the (many) samples in this container.

    • Well, for a long time it looked like new Moon missions and samples weren't coming for a long time yet. So it made sense to keep most of it bagged up. Now it looks like Moon missions are about to go forward soonish again, so it makes sense to crack open some of the goodies.
    • by Hodr ( 219920 )

      Probably ought to let some outside of the government agencies examine samples. Since we keep finding out moon rocks given to other countries end up being terrestrial. To keep from giving more ammo to the conspiracists.

  • A great deal? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anubis IV ( 1279820 ) on Sunday March 17, 2019 @04:21PM (#58289098)

    Although a great deal of it has found its way to science labs [...]

    In the early 2000s I was doing some work with a NASA contractor and had the good fortune of being able to suit up and go into the clean room/vault where all of these samples are kept at JSC. In walking around, it struck me how many samples were in the vault vs. in the cases in the clean room where they could be worked on. After I asked, I was informed that roughly 95% of the samples were still in “pristine” condition in the vault, meaning they had been left entirely untouched in their original nitrogen-rich environment ever since getting back from the moon.

    95%.

    All of the research up to that point, over three decades’ worth, including the samples sent out to scientists, had been done on just 5% of what was brought back.

    Mind you, this post isn’t a critique or commentary. This is just me trying to give some context to that comment from the summary.

  • They've been sealed, not looked at or studied in FIFTY YEARS?

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