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Was Venezuela's 5-Day Blackout Caused By Cyberattacks -- or Wildfires? (apnews.com) 131

What caused a devastating five-day blackout in Venezuela? Two engineers with expertise in geospatial technologies believe the answer lies in images from a NASA weather satellite showing thermal activity, which they superimposed onto Google Earth, the AP reports: Within hours of the attack, the government of embattled President Nicolas Maduro began accusing the U.S. of a cyberattack. Maduro has stuck to that narrative, saying hackers in the U.S. first shut down the Guri Dam and then delivered several "electromagnetic" blows. Engineers have questioned that assertion, contending that the Guri Dam's operating system is on a closed network with no internet connection.

Several consulted by The Associated Press speculated that a more likely cause was a fire along one of the electrical grid's powerful 765-kilovolt lines that connect the dam to much of Venezuela. The transmission lines traverse through some of Venezuela's most remote and difficult to access regions on their way toward Caracas, making it difficult to obtain any first-hand information that could back up or pinpoint the location of a fire. Working with an expert at Texas Tech University's Geospatial Technologies Laboratory, Jose Aguilar, an expert on Venezuela's electrical grid, said satellite data indicates that on the day of the blackout there were three fires in close proximity to the 765-kilovolt lines transmitting power generated from the Guri Dam, which provides about 80 percent of Venezuela's electricity...

Engineers have warned for years that Venezuela's state-run electricity corporation was failing to properly maintain power lines, letting brush that can catch fire during Venezuela's hot, dry months grow near and up the towering structures.

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Was Venezuela's 5-Day Blackout Caused By Cyberattacks -- or Wildfires?

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  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Saturday March 16, 2019 @04:52PM (#58285238)

    Not only is there no money to pay anyone anything, nor is there money to pay for maintenance, what would people DO with money if they had any to be paid?

    Its not even like you can buy WATER now.

    So instead of working, people are busy just finding food and water for the most part. How does the basic machinery that holds up civilization work long term under those conditions? It cannot.

    • by cheesybagel ( 670288 ) on Saturday March 16, 2019 @04:56PM (#58285260)

      There's lots of money. You can even use it as toilet paper.

      • There's lots of money. You can even use it as toilet paper.

        Fiat money seems to be a problem for socialism and other regimes. With fiat money the government can print as much as it likes, running up inflation and driving the country into ruin. Some historians say this happened to the Romans once they started polluting their coins with base metals, and is probably what caused Germany to start WWII.

        Since you brought it up, let's ask the obvious question: if a country's money is *not* fiat based, would this be enough to allow socialism to thrive?

        Suppose you created Ven

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Would that be enough to allow socialism to thrive?

          There is no such thing as "thriving" under socialism. Socialism is legalized theft.

          Socialism taxes working people to give to unworking people. Eventually, a few working people figure out they're getting a bum deal and switch to being unworking people. Those still working now have to pay higher tax rates to support all the original unworking people AND the people who recently decided to stop working.

          As the tax rates increase, more people from the working class figure out they're getting a bum deal and switch

        • Fiat money seems to be a problem for socialism and other regimes. With fiat money the government can print as much as it likes, running up inflation and driving the country into ruin. Some historians say this happened to the Romans once they started polluting their coins with base metals, and is probably what caused Germany to start WWII.

          If you want to see the root causes of WW2, look no further than the Treaty that ended WW1. The indemnities that Germany had to pay impoverished the country to the point th

          • by Orgasmatron ( 8103 ) on Saturday March 16, 2019 @11:46PM (#58286838)

            Victor Davis Hanson makes a good argument that the primary cause of WW2 was that Germany was allowed to surrender in France and thus were not forced to accept defeat the way they would have if Germany had been invaded. He isn't convinced by the theory that peace conditions were so onerous that they played much of a role.

            • The reparations the Germany had to pay after WWI where less than France had to pay to Germany in real terms after the Franco Prussian War. They are not the cause of WWII. General Pershing had it right on the eve of the armistice when he said if we agreed to the armistice the Germans would not accept they where defeated and we would have to do it all over again. The right end to WWI would have been to march into Germany in 1919 and demand an unconditional surrender, which is exactly what we did in WWII, bec

            • But the major problem was the Weimar Constitution that was shoved down Germany's throat to end WWI. It had a huge flaw in that any stupid fringe party could get representation in the Reichstag (and thus political legitimacy) which is literally what allowed the Nazi party to get a foothold from which to launch into control via a charismatic populist leader (Hitler). So yes, there was definitely an air of anger over the way Germany was forced to surrender which help plant the seeds for the populist takeover
  • by Freischutz ( 4776131 ) on Saturday March 16, 2019 @04:54PM (#58285256)

    Was Venezuela's 5-Day Blackout Caused By Cyberattacks -- or Wildfires?

    ... or was it caused by the best and the brightest fleeing the country and those left behind shorting out the grid because they have a very limited clue of how it works nor do they have the equipment to find that out or the materials to make proper repairs?

  • by rmdingler ( 1955220 ) on Saturday March 16, 2019 @04:58PM (#58285268) Journal

    The path to holding power in many Central and South American nations is holding onto the party line:

    "Even if, and that's a big if, the power outage was caused by fires and poor service line maintenance, it was still the fault the Imperialistic Americans. The Yankee sanctions are killing us, and they probably set those fires."

    • by Anonymous Coward

      it's amazing that even on a supposedly tech-related news blog, no one seems to remember that stuxnet exists

      • by sfcat ( 872532 )

        it's amazing that even on a supposedly tech-related news blog, no one seems to remember that stuxnet exists

        These plants and the equipment they use predates PLCs and internet connected devices.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    maybe central control isn't as good as it is sold?

  • they only the funds to hire homer simpson's in the control rooms.

  • It's simple. (Score:5, Informative)

    by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Saturday March 16, 2019 @05:43PM (#58285418)

    First, if the US wanted to disrupt their power system then they would have done enough damage that it would still be down. Second, they aren't doing anything with the electricity that the US really cares about therefore there isn't a real reason to sabotage it.

    I'm not claiming the US would be above taking such actions, I'm just saying that the US doesn't care enough about Venezuela to bother.

    • it'd be about worsening the situation so we have cover for a regime change. If you did too much it would be obvious.

      And we absolutely care enough. If you think otherwise you haven't been paying attention to who's running the show. John Bolton comes to mind. They guy in charge of Venezuelan aid was literally involved in the Contra scandal and used aid to smuggle arms in.

      Iraq and Afghanistan are winding down. Even the most die hard pro war guy gets heat for keeping us there (Bolton went on the news sh
      • it'd be about worsening the situation so we have cover for a regime change. If you did too much it would be obvious.

        And if you used a virus a la stuxnet then you would be easily exposed as they would have evidence of your involvement. The NSA wouldn't expose themselves to such predictable open scrutiny like that. Besides, everything I've learned indicates that the NSA has clear, acheivable and direct mission objectives. The CIA deals with lots of (human) uncertainty, so if the US was involved then you should suspect them.

        And we absolutely care enough.

        No, no we don't. However, it could be manual sabotage by a Venezuelan countryman. Using that app

  • Stuxnet (Score:2, Informative)

    by manu0601 ( 2221348 )

    Maduro [said] hackers in the U.S. first shut down the Guri Dam and then delivered several "electromagnetic" blows. Engineers have questioned that assertion, contending that the Guri Dam's operating system is on a closed network with no internet connection.

    That engineers never heard about Stuxnet?

  • US keeps claiming socialism doesnt work however if people in the US were to see it works they would demand the same so the only option the US govt has is to use any and all means to sabotage any country where socialism seems to be working. Its nothing personal against Venezuela.

    • by guruevi ( 827432 )

      If that’s true, why are socialist countries so prone to foreign interference making it fail. Why wasn’t/isn’t the USSR or China (larger powers by all metrics) able to interfere with the US to the point of it failing?

      Socialism has been tried from Nazi Germany to Venezuela and it has ALL failed, the US didn’t even interfere with National-Socialist Germany until Germany was well on its way to failure. The USSR failed while spending just a tenth of the US spending on the Cold War.

      • by ghoul ( 157158 )

        It came close. US almost went communist between WW1 and WW2. Only draconian measures by the FBI prevented the US from going Communist. As it is US is pretty socialist - Social Security, Medicare, 40 hr week, Womens rights, Civil rights for colored people - these were all issues raised by US Socialists and Communists and US has adopted all of them. Only free college, universal healthcare and paid maternity leave differentiates the US from a socialist country (not communist socialist).

      • Oh dear, another ignorant right-wing cunt that things Nazism (national socialism) is a kind of socialism.

        He no doubt thinks that The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea, is a democracy too.

      • by malvcr ( 2932649 )

        Costa Rica is not a communist country, but has a lot of socialist characteristics. However, it also has a strong democratic system. You can have what it is useful and combine with other elements; why not?

        The problem is not the theoretical communism or socialism (that are different things), but how some people twist these concepts to create dictatorial systems. In fact, to this date, no one communist or socialist real country have been on this planet. Because, why at the beginning the involved people

    • This is a bit like saying that the horse industry must sabotage all of the successful pegasus farms around the world, lest people demand winged horses.

    • Nope, this has nothing to do with crony socialism. It's all about crony capitalism, and all you need to do is just follow the oil... The Koch Brothers own a refinery in Corpus Christi, TX. This refinery cannot process light Texas crude, but is rather designed to process heavy crude, such as that found in Venezuela. Since 1999, Koch Brothers have had a problem, Hugo Chavez and now Maduro, because they nationalized the oil industry and could arbitrarily set the price for their crude oil. The Kochs could eithe
    • by hawk ( 1151 )

      your words are in the wrong order.

      *if* socialism worked, people in the US would demand it.

      Venezuela is not an example of it *working*, but rather another case study in its failure . . .

      hawk

  • ... who has to win the most by cutting water supply? MADURO. A people preoccupied with finding the basic needs to stay alive i way more easy to control than a well fed and hydrated people that demonstrates against you. As a bonus: blames the decadent western countries.

  • All of the incredible theories being floated, such as cyber-attacks and "electromagnetic attacks," whatever they are (EMP? not likely) are far less likely than key grid components being mismanaged or sabotaged. It's far easier to sneak into a facility and trip some breakers or drain transformer oil than to mount a concerted cyber-attack, which requires extensive research into, or knowledge of, the grid's network and physical infrastructure. The most disturbing photo in the article, though it appears to be

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