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Deflecting an Asteroid Will Be Harder Than Scientists Thought (upi.com) 180

schwit1 shares a report from UPI: According to new asteroid collision models designed by scientists at Johns Hopkins University, deflecting a large rock headed for Earth will be harder than previously thought. Using the most up-to-date findings on rock fracturing, researchers developed computer models to more accurately simulate asteroid collisions. For the newest study, scientists decided to divide the model into two phases. Phase one modeled the immediate fracturing that happens in the wake of a collision -- the processes that play in a matter of seconds. The second phase simulated the gravitational re-accumulation process that happens over the course of several hours or days.

The first phase of the updated model showed a large asteroid is not destroyed by a much smaller asteroid. Instead, millions of cracks form throughout, the core fractures and a crater is left behind. During phase two, the fractured core exerts a strong gravitational pull on the smaller pieces of debris and shrapnel broken during the impact. Because the asteroid did not crack completely during phase one, the space rock retained significant strength. If scientists are going to develop an asteroid deflection strategy that can actually work, they need to know how much force it really takes to destroy or deflect one. The latest study -- published in the newest issue of the journal Icarus -- showed it's more force than was originally thought.

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  • A Stars and Stripes painted object will suffice
  • by lorinc ( 2470890 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @05:11AM (#58223890) Homepage Journal

    I always though the goal of the blast was not to destroy the asteroid but to change its trajectory...

    • I always though the goal of the blast was not to destroy the asteroid but to change its trajectory...

      Seriously? How are you going to destroy a solid rock? Now put that rock in a vacuum and tell me how you figure on coupling enough energy though nothing to do this?

      It's a whole lot easier to deflect something so it misses, than break it apart into harmless pieces. The actual window for things to crash into Earth is pretty small.

      • by necro81 ( 917438 )

        Now put that rock in a vacuum and tell me how you figure on coupling enough energy though nothing to do this?

        One can use a gravitational tug [wikipedia.org] to "couple enough energy through nothing". It's not a panacea, but it is one method that is largely unaffected by the asteroid's internal strength.

        • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) *

          Useless except for objects so far away you have years and years to spare for this to exert any sort of force. While in theory gravity is dependent on M1 and M2.... if one of the masses is so large (and if you're afraid of catastrophic asteroids, you ARE only dealing with large masses) compared to the other, the effect of the smaller one is negligible. It's like saying you're going to change the axis of the world by sending a shipload of rocks from the equator to the north pole. Yes, in theory. In practice,

          • Yes, in theory. In practice, you'll never measure it.
            If you would sail all ships on earth close to a pole the axis would shift significantly, easy to measure.

            Even an amount as tiny as provided by an ion drive will have a much more measurable effect than gravity alone given enough time.
            Erm, no? It is by conversation of momentum and conversation of energy: the exact same effect/work.

      • by mbkennel ( 97636 )
        We're not going to destroy a rock or metal hunk.

        Primary option is to land powered ion engines and let them work over time.

        Otherwise, with the Big Bomb approach, you detonate an asteroid radius or a bit less away and use the generated x-rays to vaporize a layer of surface over a hemisphere. This ablates into vacuum and causes a push. There's substantial modeling effort and physics known about this process since Teller & Ulam's idea.
  • TFA seems to be about destroying or breaking up an asteroid. Yet they keep mentioning deflecting it, i.e. altering its trajectory so it’ll miss Earth.
    • As far as I understood is that deflecting is rather difficult since any force that would deflect an asteroid could also (depending on the integrity of the asteroid) likely cause it to break up.
    • That is my take away from this. The asteroid is badly fractured, so will have to be pushed or pulled very gently. Bruce Willis and Co. just makes a gravel pile where 90% keeps on course.

  • by Plumpaquatsch ( 2701653 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @05:18AM (#58223916) Journal
    "Deflecting" and "destroying" are two different strategies to avoid collision with an asteroid - and "destroying" has long been seen as the worse one for that matter.
  • by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @06:11AM (#58224012)

    If an asteroid is not rotating, it makes sense that if fractured into pieces by a thermonuclear explosion, the pieces will tend to drift back together in one place.

    So our strategy for an Earth-impacting asteroid should be: if it is rotating, blow it apart and watxch the pieces fly away; if it is not rotating, nudge its orbit with a series of small explosions.

    • So our strategy for an Earth-impacting asteroid should be: if it is rotating, blow it apart and watxch the pieces fly away; if it is not rotating, nudge its orbit with a series of small explosions.

      Or, if it's not rotating, get it started rotating, then blow it apart.

      Of course, a lot depends on how long before the hypothetical impact we detect the thing. If it's not going to hit for ten years, we've got a lot of options as to how to deal with it. Ten weeks? Not so much. Ten days? Have a world-wide "En

      • by colinwb ( 827584 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @09:40AM (#58224754)

        "Ten days? Have a world-wide "End of the World" party." - Including watching the 1999 Canadian film "Last Night" [wikipedia.org]... Plot: In Toronto, a group of friends and family prepare for the end of the world, expected at midnight as the result of a calamity that is not explained, but which has been expected for several months ... In 2014, Colin McNeil of Metro News wrote "Last Night is perhaps the most upbeat end-of-the-world movie you’ll ever see." ...

        Rogert Ebert's review [rogerebert.com] ... Note: On a talk show in Toronto, I [Roger Ebert] was asked to define the difference between American and Canadian films, and said I could not. Another guest was Wayne Clarkson, the former director of the Toronto Film Festival. He said he could, and cited this film. "Sandra Oh goes into a grocery story to find a bottle of wine for dinner," he said. "The store has been looted, but she finds two bottles still on the shelf. She takes them down, evaluates them, chooses one, and puts the other one politely back on the shelf. That's how you know it's a Canadian film."

      • Inducing rotation might take far more energy than either of my alternatives.

    • I suspect that striking slightly off-center with explosives should be more than enough to cause it to spin and to keep components separate. I think that the difficulty is getting the explosives to expand the mass thoroughly and _not_ spin unpredictably.

    • You really think the angular momentum of a rotating asteroid is going to make a huge difference compared to the forces necessary to blow the thing into a bunch of pieces in the first place?

      Figure, the instant the asteroid is shattered, the fact that it was rotating make no more difference, except in that the outermost pieces are traveling on their straight-line paths a bit faster and in a slightly different direction than they otherwise would have been, thanks to the addition of their original velocity arou

    • by Shotgun ( 30919 )

      Or, just detonate a series of explosions in front of or behind it. Make sure the explosions are far enough away for the blast radius to cover the entire object. The goal being to spread a smaller force over the entire object to speed it up (moving it's solar orbit out), or slow it down to make sure it is removed from Earth's orbit either way.

      We already have ICBMs that carry multiple warheads. The technology should transfer. Easily. Right?

    • by shess ( 31691 )

      If an asteroid is not rotating, it makes sense that if fractured into pieces by a thermonuclear explosion, the pieces will tend to drift back together in one place.

      So our strategy for an Earth-impacting asteroid should be: if it is rotating, blow it apart and watxch the pieces fly away; if it is not rotating, nudge its orbit with a series of small explosions.

      Thermonuclear devices are the biggest boom we've been able to create. Unfortunately, the only asteroids which our nukes would effectively be able to nudge (or shatter) are those which aren't of cataclysmic size in the first place.

  • by The Evil Atheist ( 2484676 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @06:16AM (#58224018)
    I reckon $5 billion would be more than enough, and we'll get the Mexicans to pay for it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @06:48AM (#58224084)

    https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/03/04... [jhu.edu]

    Looks like the editors did not even look at it and just "aggregated" the content from some random news site that also was no capable of summarizing the hart of the matter in a subject line.

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    • Or, just land a rocket on the asteroid nose-first, and start pushing. Since you have virtually no gravity to deal with, Landing could probably be handled by redirected attitude jets. The big problems will just be balancing against the thrust of the engines, and transmitting the force through the entire length of the rocket to the nose.

      • by Shotgun ( 30919 )

        That would just be the start of the big problems. Where do you land? That is important because:

        - if you're not at the center of mass, your rocket fuel will be spent to make the rock spin.
        - if the spot you land on isn't level with the center of mass, your rocket will point in the wrong direction, and your rocket fuel will be spent to make the rock spin.
        - if the spot you land on isn't flat your rocket will fall over
        - if the spot you land on isn't solid, your rocket will fall over
        - if the spot you land on do

        • > if you're not at the center of mass, your rocket fuel will be spent to make the rock spin.
          That should be "in line with" rather than "at", but in that case yes, some of it will. But unless you're more than 45 degrees from vertical, most of it will go towards deflection.

          There's always a direct line between you and the center of mass, and it's easy to find it: just dangle a sensitive plumb-bob to find exactly which direction gravity is pulling in. Your rocket will need adjustable legs so that it can lan

  • by nospam007 ( 722110 ) * on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @10:09AM (#58224912)

    Nobody wants to deflect an asteroid with another one. That would be stupid. Instead of getting 10000 tons on our head in 1 piece it would just come down in several.

    Landing a drive on the sucker is easier, if it far enough out there.

    • on trajectory estimates.
      Correct me if I'm wrong, but the true nature of the problem is that the further out we detect the object, the more uncertainty there would be about whether it will hit Earth or just be a close near miss.
      But it needs to be detected far out to have time to plan, build, execute the intervention.

      What if we spend the 100s of billions of dollars needed to do an intervention like ion engine course correction, or painting, and then find out as it gets closer that, well, it looks like it most
      • 1) That we don't mind spending a lot of money on possibly unnecessary intervention missions.

        AND

        2) The intervention (e.g. rotation-timed ion engine push) needs to be enough of a correction to alter the trajectory by a lot more than the error bars on the trajectory estimate. So a lot of energy will need to be delivered. The math, anyone?
  • Capture in orbit around or impact it upon the Moon.

    We that natural defense with significant mass and gravity.

    Just look at all the craters on it, that stuff could have hit the Earth instead.

  • I wonder if long thin titanium rods could be used to hit the front of the asteroid and continue with digging a hole through the center. In doing that, i would think that it would produce a lot of cracking through out and after maybe 20-30 rods hitting it, a nuke in the center could cause splitting. Of course, this would need a bit of known time to get it together. IOW, if we have a week before it hits us, then this would likely not work. BUT, a month or more, it might.

    Regardless, they will try different
  • Read the crummy UPI story, and the original paper, and there is nothing in the paper or the scientist's quotes that is either about, or pertains to, deflection of asteroids, except for three sentences of the reporter bloviating about it. The reporter apparently believes, based on nothing, that asteroid deflection means "destroying the asteroid".

    This paper is about how asteroids fracture and reassemble in collisions with other asteroids and thus the typical structure to be expected. It is an advance in the s

  • It seems to me you have people who have hammers, who love hammers, who want to use hammers for everything, even for buttering bread.

    Who should be using a net.

    Distributing lower amounts of force over a longer period of time, using a net to attach to an asteroid and ion drives to slowly alter the orbit, is a far more useful method of deflection than a short sharp shock. Getting that much energy at one point for a short duration is very very expensive in orbital mechanics, especially from earth surface, where

  • The best option is to develop better technology to detect asteroids farther away (a series of monitoring satellites covering all quadrants overlapping). Once detected other methods than brute force could be applied. I've seen ideas like using solar wind/particles to move it by making one side of the object a black body (to absorb energy - and thus apply a force), to applying force directly by 'docking' with it and using rockets to nudge it off course.

    The real problem isn't how to move the asteroid, the

  • We have the tech, quite often Mars can recognize asteroids in our blind spot of the Sun. thoughts... ?

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