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Government Shutdown is Putting a Damper on Science in Seattle and Elsewhere (geekwire.com) 443

It's been called the "Super Bowl of Astronomy," but when the American Astronomical Society's winter meeting plays out in Seattle this week, some of the stars won't be taking the field. From a report: The AAS meeting is just one of the scientific endeavors diminished by the partial government shutdown in Washington, D.C., which entered its 17th day today. NASA representatives, and researchers whose travel would typically be funded by NASA, have had to cancel their plans to be in Seattle due to the tiff involving the Trump administration and Republicans on one side, and Democrats on the other.

The shutdown affects only a quarter of the federal government -- which means that the Defense Department and the Energy Department can continue research and development activities. Work continues as well at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and at the National Institutes of Health. But most employees at NASA as well as at the Agriculture Department, the Interior Department, the Environmental Protection Agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the National Weather Service are on furlough.
Further reading: National Parks Face Years of Damage From Government Shutdown.
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Government Shutdown is Putting a Damper on Science in Seattle and Elsewhere

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  • Virtually all terrorists come in via plane and sea, the remainder drive from inside the US.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by AlanObject ( 3603453 )

      And precisely zero come in over the US-Mexico border outside a normal point of entry.

      The emergency Trump is citing is phony floor to ceiling.

      • About 24,000 criminals caught entering the US [cbp.gov]. That's quite a few - and about a 10% recidivism rate a well... Most are those are outside the official ports of entry [cbp.gov] - about 500,000 arrests in FY2018 outside the ports of entry. And at least 15 terrorists have crossed the SW border [cis.org].

        But let me ask you - do you lock your doors and windows when you leave? If not - do you advertise that you leave your doors and windows unlocked?

    • Virtually all terrorists come in via plane and sea, the remainder drive from inside the US.

      And how is it that you (or whomever originally made the claim) KNOW this to be true? It's really hard to check when the people in question are NOT coming in through anywhere they can be checked.

      Like election fraud: All the "There's little to no election fraud occurring." claims turn out to really be: "There's little to no PROSECUTION of election fraud." This is as easily explained by the claim that the people in p

    • People keep arguing about the thousands of terrorists and whether they come in over the border or at airports. I don't believe the number in the first place.

      Since 9-11 every event that could be dubbed 'terrorist' was either by a US citizen or a legal immigrant that predated 9-11. The whole 'terrorist flooding the country' narrative is a silly easily refuted myth. Zero humans have come to the US post 9-11 and committed a terrorist attack.

    • Cool! Then let's enforce the same security restrictions on the border as we have at the airports - controlled access, gated/walled off entrances, proof of identification, etc.
    • Virtually all terrorists in the USA are home-grown. Taking history into account, the number which have come in from outside amount to a rounding error. (And most of them come from Saudi Arabia, but we're spending our effort banning people from OTHER countries.) Absolutely none of this is about security, let alone terrorism.

  • Given the state of global warming, wouldn't we all be better off if this "conference" was held virtually in cyberspace instead of wasting fossil fuels for everybody to travel?

  • Apparently some (but not all) government workers are pulling out of talks and other events as well due to the shutdown, CES included [telegraph.co.uk] - Pai was apparently only the start of it, although I suspect, like Pai, some are probably just using the shutdown as an excuse. YMMV as to whether anything of value has been lost, naturally.
    • Pai pulling out is valid. Of the 800,000 people not getting paid (huge swaths of the government already got funded and are open normally), 420,000 are doing essential work. They are not allowed to do unessential work (e.g. speak) even if they want to do it for free. Like, Pai wouldn't get in trouble for doing it, but according to regulations he should. And someone lower on the totem pole would.

  • by Cajun Hell ( 725246 ) on Monday January 07, 2019 @04:17PM (#57920066) Homepage Journal
    Only Democrats use science anyway.
    • by kaur ( 1948056 )

      Everybody uses science.
      And science will happen regardless of US or its troubles.

      But - where will it happen, who will use it and who will benefit from it?

  • ...iOS devs pretending iOS world and any functional participation in it ceased without the comped WWDC vacation-party-networking opportunity conference.
  • In all the "look at all the shit that's not working because of Trump" stories, I have yet to read anyone express the slightest question about - should the Federal government really be running all this stuff?

    I sincerely doubt anyone in government has the balls after this shutdown to say "Yeah, y'know, we can probably get along without that, that, and that. Nobody really missed them."

    http://thefederalist.com/2014/... [thefederalist.com]

    • Re:Doubt (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Actually, I do RTFA ( 1058596 ) on Monday January 07, 2019 @05:32PM (#57920660)

      Pretty much every Republican commentator says "we can get along without this". But, it's not a matter of balls. It's just a stupid assertion. You never point to a specific single thing you think is a mistake. You say "the sky hasn't fallen yet, so none of it must have been important." But there's no evidence you actually know the state of things.

      I mean, if your plane's engines fail (as a passenger), you're going to still have a good amount of time before you'll even notice the issue, let alone crash.

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