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Google Has a Plan To Eliminate Mosquitoes Around the World (bloombergquint.com) 326

Zorro shares a report: Silicon Valley researchers are attacking flying bloodsuckers in California's Fresno County. It's the first salvo in an unlikely war for Google parent Alphabet: eradicating mosquito-borne diseases around the world. A white high-top Mercedes van winds its way through the suburban sprawl and strip malls as a swarm of male Aedes aegypti mosquitoes shoot out of a black plastic tube on the passenger-side window. These pests are tiny and, with a wingspan of just a few millimeters, all but invisible. "You hear that little beating sound?" says Kathleen Parkes, a spokesperson for Verily Life Sciences, a unit of Alphabet. She's trailing the van in her car, the windows down. "Like a duh-duh-duh? That's the release of the mosquitoes."

Jacob Crawford, a Verily senior scientist riding with Parkes, begins describing a mosquito-control technique with dazzling potential. These particular vermin, he explains, were bred in the ultra-high-tech surroundings of Verily's automated mosquito rearing system, 200 miles away in South San Francisco. They were infected with Wolbachia, a common bacterium. When those 80,000 lab-bred Wolbachia-infected, male mosquitoes mate with their counterpart females in the wild, the result is stealth annihilation: the offspring never hatch. Better make that 79,999. "One just hit the windshield," says Crawford. Mosquito-borne disease eradication is serious stuff for Alphabet, though it is just one of many of the company's forays into health care and life sciences.

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Google Has a Plan To Eliminate Mosquitoes Around the World

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:04PM (#57716418)
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    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by TWX ( 665546 )

      Do you want fewer mosquitoes, for at least a little while, or not?

      If so, shaddup!

      • Re:Evolution. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by CanHasDIY ( 1672858 ) on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:16PM (#57716510) Homepage Journal

        Do you want fewer mosquitoes, for at least a little while, or not?

        If so, shaddup!

        No, I'd rather maintain a reasonable amount of biodiversity. [gizmodo.com]

        If mosquitoes went extinct: Mosquito larvae are very important in aquatic ecology. Many other insects and small fish feed on them and the loss of that food source would cause their numbers to decline as well. Anything that feeds on them, such as game fish, raptorial birds, etc. would in turn suffer too. Mosquitoes can be wiped out but the ecological damage that would be necessary (draining swamps/wetlands, applying pesticides over wide areas), along with strict regulatory enforcement, would make eradication not worth it unless there was a very serious public health emergency.

        • this exactly.

          There are many cases where humans introducing something or removing something has had a severe negative impact on ecosystems, causing us to further mess with the ecosystem to try and mitigate the issues caused by our mitigations.

          Hawaii and mongoose is a very easy obvious one,and there are many many more like that.

          • Re:Evolution. (Score:4, Informative)

            by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:47PM (#57716772)

            this exactly.

            No, not at all. The targeted species, Aedes aegypti, is African, and IS NOT NATIVE TO CALIFORNIA. So there should be no negative repercussions from wiping it out. There are plenty of native species of mosquitoes (which are not disease vectors) that will be happy to fill the vacated niche.

            Although the targeted A. aegypti will develop resistance, in the meantime, the temporary drop in their population may be enough to disrupt the spread of diseases. The spread of vector-borne diseases goes down as the reciprocal of the square of the vector population. For many of these diseases, R0 is already less than one, so this may be a way to lick'em for good.

            Hawaii and mongoose is a very easy obvious one ...

            Before the arrival of Europeans, Hawaii had zero mosquitoes. All the mosquitoes there should be wiped out. Then we can start working on the mongooses.

            • Ae. aegypti arrived soon after Europeans first arrived. That was a pretty long time ago. Do you think that the environment has changed to accommodate the presence of this insect after a few hundred years?

              How long does a species have to be somewhere before there's negative repercussions from removing it?
            • The targeted species, Aedes aegypti, is African, and IS NOT NATIVE TO CALIFORNIA. So there should be no negative repercussions from wiping it out.

              What about repercussions in AFRICA? "Wiping it out" implies globally, not just in California.

              • Re:Evolution. (Score:5, Interesting)

                by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @04:47PM (#57717150)

                "Wiping it out" implies globally, not just in California.

                A bacteria borne disease is not going to "wipe out" Aedes aegypti. It is very robust and adaptable species. They can breed in an overturned bottle cap.

                But if we knock the population back, it gives us breathing room to target the diseases. If there are a million cases of mosquito borne disease every year, very few resources can be devoted to each outbreak. But if we eliminate 90% of the mosquitoes, the result is a 99% reduction in the spread of the disease. That means we can devote much more personnel and resources to pounce on each outbreak.

                This is what happened with smallpox. Once we got it 99% gone, we had fast-reaction teams of dozens of people, that would fly in to each outbreak, and then fan out to vaccinate everyone in the vicinity, and quarantine those likely to have been exposed. The last case in the wild was in Somalia in 1973.

              • That's a fair question that needs to be answered, but whatever those costs may be, they must be weighed against the thousands of people who die or are afflicted each year by diseases such as Zika, West Nile, Yellow Fever, and other ailments spread by this species. We aren't talking about wiping this species out because we find them to be a nuisance. We're talking about doing it because tens or hundreds of thousands of people have been debilitated or lost their lives and more will be too if we take no action

            • Before the arrival of Europeans, Hawaii had zero mosquitoes.

              As well as zero Europeans.

              All the mosquitoes there should be wiped out.

              D'oh!

            • IS NOT NATIVE TO CALIFORNIA. So there should be no negative repercussions from wiping it out.

              Humans ARE NOT NATIVE TO YOUR STATE. I suggest we wipe out humans in your state. There should be no negative repercussions.

            • Before the arrival of Europeans, Hawaii had zero mosquitoes. All the mosquitoes there should be wiped out.

              Let's just be a bit careful waving that sort of logic around because the same argument would technically also apply to humans and in a lot more places than just Hawaii.

            • Then we can start working on the mongooses.

              How about releasing 80,000 cobras into the wild?

          • New Zealand and every land mammal ever introduced there. Before people there were none and birds did the mammal stuff.
        • Re:Evolution. (Score:5, Informative)

          by Gilgaron ( 575091 ) on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:36PM (#57716668)
          You don't have to wipe out all mosquito species to eliminate the ones that spread human disease... I think there are only 6 or so that bite humans. Many of them would be considered invasive species in the Americas. These techniques are actually more selective than spraying and draining wetlands, which are the historical methods of mosquito control.
          • It's a good idea to keep in mind that scientists believe that every 24 hours, between 150-200 species of plants, insects, birds and mammals go extinct. Also new species of the same are discovered (not sure about the rate).
        • Do you want fewer mosquitoes, for at least a little while, or not?

          If so, shaddup!

          No, I'd rather maintain a reasonable amount of biodiversity. [gizmodo.com]

          If mosquitoes went extinct: Mosquito larvae are very important in aquatic ecology. Many other insects and small fish feed on them and the loss of that food source would cause their numbers to decline as well. Anything that feeds on them, such as game fish, raptorial birds, etc. would in turn suffer too. Mosquitoes can be wiped out but the ecological damage that would be necessary (draining swamps/wetlands, applying pesticides over wide areas), along with strict regulatory enforcement, would make eradication not worth it unless there was a very serious public health emergency.

          The food source part is highly dubious, and the later part is completely unaffected by the method being tested.

        • by imgod2u ( 812837 )

          Ya but then the gorillas will just die when winter comes along...

        • by Megol ( 3135005 )

          So replace them with mosquitoes that fills the same ecological niche but doesn't carry malaria?

        • by cowdung ( 702933 )

          Actually, as the name suggests, the Aedes Aegypty is an invasive species to the Americas that arrived in slave boats from Africa (the disease had previously spread from Asia to Africa a few hundred years earlier).

          Dengue fever (a disease first identified in Asia) could then spread freely at first in South America but more recently in North America as well.

          Eradicating the Aedes Aegypty won't harm biodiversity because it is an invader. And this sort of control measure is very targeted to this particular specie

        • I'm sure they would be thrilled to eat some other kind of mosquito that does not spread malaria. Biodiversity needn't include horrific parasites.

      • maybe there's a decade of fewer mosquitos it's great, and the only result is the bat population starves to death.

        Now the mutant mosquitos rise. their old nemesis, the bat is gone. we are overwhelmed with unchecked hungry insects.

        oh, of course, not all the bats died. some bats had a predisposition to seeking out other meals. There's now a growing population of bats that make a living off of biting larger land mammals, including people. they also transmit disease.
    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Depends on the numbers and the details. Usually these world-improvers are bright eyed hacks that get it wrong and make things worse, sometimes massively so.

      • > Usually these world-improvers are bright eyed hacks that get it wrong and make things worse, sometimes massively so.

        Citation needed. Similar "bright eyed hacks" wiped out polio and smallpox, and are trying to do the same to malaria.

        • Re:Evolution. (Score:5, Insightful)

          by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:20PM (#57716538)

          a) The people doing that were definitely not bright-eyed hacks.
          b) Nothing else depends on Polio and Smallpox being there. Eradicating a disease and eradicating a species are two very different things.

          Knowledge on your side needed, not a citation.

          • by imgod2u ( 812837 )

            a) What's your strict definition of "bright-eyed hacks" vs "oracle genius"? What qualifies Jonas Salks and not Dr. Jacob Crawford?
            b) There are very specific species of mosquitoes that are targeted here. Also, nobody knew what eliminating a Polio would do, they just did it. The world adjusted by having more people live.

            • by gweihir ( 88907 )

              You seem to be mistaken about where you are. This is /., not a scientific review committee. The Polio example is still extremely obviously (and extremely obviously back then) something completely different. Makes me think you lack the background to understand what is going on here.

              • > The Polio example is still extremely obviously (and extremely obviously back then)

                The only reason the polio example was obvious back then was because polio was fucking terrifying and if anything helped everyone was all for it. Most people back then knew someone who was affected by polio. Hell, it lived in the outside environment. You'd hear about little Jimmy was out playing in the park and woke up the next morning and can't walk anymore and all the rest of the kids in the neighborhood are being ke

                • by gweihir ( 88907 )

                  No. We have about no examples were a severe infectious disease is critical for an ecosystem. They are nit parasites, where that is different. They are basically biological free-riders. Also, it is very easy to reintroduce that disease in case something begins to really break. Of course, that is not something you tell the public.

        • "Citation needed. Similar "bright eyed hacks" wiped out polio and smallpox, and are trying to do the same to malaria."

          That was last millennium. Nowadays people are too stupid to vax their kids, fearing they catch autism.

      • Hence the proverb, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:11PM (#57716476)

    Sure, where these are not native, eliminating them not too long after they turn up is probably not going to kill anything else. But where they are native, somethings will hunt them and they may have other functions. In the worst case, you get a chain reaction and a lot of things change. This may well make the situation worse.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      100% agree. China tried this with sparrows and it caused more problems.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign

      • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:23PM (#57716558)

        The Australians also messed up badly with Rabbits.

        The point is not to not do these things, but to be very, very careful. I doubt Google was ever really careful in anything they do. Too much intelligence and money, not a lot of wisdom.

        • by djinn6 ( 1868030 )

          They're pretty careful compared to other tech companies. Take self-driving cars for example, which they've worked on for almost a decade already before releasing it.

        • The mosquito's targeted are not native to the western hemisphere. These mosquito's even being here are invasive species brought here by people a long time ago.

          One of the biggest disease carrying mosquito Aedes aegypti is such an invasive species that was native to africa until humans moved it around the globe. It would be a good thing to wipe this species from it's non-native habitats, not just for people but for the species it displaced. There are thousands of mosquito species but only a handful that trans

          • by gweihir ( 88907 )

            I do agree on that. Were they are not native, wiping them out is likely a manageable risk. But the article is about eliminating them globally, and that is a whole different thing.

    • We've got tons in Minnesota. They suck. But dragon flies and bats feed on them as a main source of food in many areas here. If they go away, what happens to the dragon flies and bats?
  • by Shemmie ( 909181 ) on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:12PM (#57716486)

    But we can't adequately keep track of variables in software we've written.

    Isn't it perhaps a tad presumptuous to think that we've taken into account all the variables in our reverse engineering of nature? I appreciate this mindset would mean no progress - but perhaps a halfway house, where we're not... yanno... attempting to make a massive modification, like "killing off an entire species"?

    • But we can't adequately keep track of variables in software we've written.

      Isn't it perhaps a tad presumptuous to think that we've taken into account all the variables in our reverse engineering of nature? I appreciate this mindset would mean no progress - but perhaps a halfway house, where we're not... yanno... attempting to make a massive modification, like "killing off an entire species"?

      Nothing relies solely, or even mainly, on mosquitoes. Nor are they trying to kill off every mosquito species.

    • While I understand and agree that we need to be very careful with exterminating species, I think the Slashdot crowd may be living in a bit of a first world bubble in this case. This species is the primary vector for malaria, West Nile, Zika, and any number of other life threatening or debilitating illnesses. It's one thing when we're talking about wiping out species so we can build more strips malls, but literally hundreds of thousands of people are dying every year [cdc.gov] due to bites delivered by this species,

      • As an aside, while there's a finality to the extinction of a species that needs to be considered solemnly and with care, the extinction of a species is by no means an unusual thing. Species go extinct on an everyday basis, though whether it's one every few days or hundreds every day is a subject of debate [yale.edu]. I don't bring this up to repeat the (fallacious) argument that species extermination is justified because it happens all the time. Rather, I bring it up to highlight our collective hypocrisy: we care abou

      • Fact-checking myself: this species doesn't carry malaria. They do carry the other diseases I mentioned, as well as Yellow Fever, Dengue, and others, but malaria was the big one I mentioned, and I got that fact very wrong, so I apologize for that.

  • Nahh it just works and not much markup at this point seeing as all the patents are expired.

    • Too toxic, and too indiscriminate at eradicating bugs. You want to eliminate just a few mosquito species (the ones spreading malaria).

  • Has Google given any thought to what eliminating mosquitoes does to the food chain? Bats eat them. Some birds eat them. I'd guess that spiders eat them. What happens to the creatures who have a (potentially) major source of their food just disappear?
    • Re:Food Chain Jenga? (Score:4, Informative)

      by Lanthanide ( 4982283 ) on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:34PM (#57716654)

      Yes, they thought about it for longer than you did, evidently.

      They are wiping out 1 specific species of mosquitoes. Other species are not impacted. Assuming the other species have the same food sources and life cycles, they'll simply replace the species that have been wiped out and no food webs will be wiped out.

    • To quote myself from above: You don't have to wipe out all mosquito species to eliminate the ones that spread human disease... I think there are only 6 or so that bite humans. Many of them would be considered invasive species in the Americas. These techniques are actually more selective than spraying and draining wetlands, which are the historical methods of mosquito control.
    • Re:Food Chain Jenga? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Nidi62 ( 1525137 ) on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:40PM (#57716706)

      Has Google given any thought to what eliminating mosquitoes does to the food chain? Bats eat them. Some birds eat them. I'd guess that spiders eat them. What happens to the creatures who have a (potentially) major source of their food just disappear?

      There are 3500 known species of mosquito. This plan is going after aedes aegypti, which feeds primarily on humans. Most other species of mosquitos (many of whom cohabitate with aedes aegypti) do not feed on humans. The food chain will do just fine with 3499 species instead of 3500.

  • I really wanted a mosquito laser cannon.

  • The best part (Score:4, Interesting)

    by slashmydots ( 2189826 ) on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:57PM (#57716838)
    If you ask any biologist, the consensus is that if every mosquito worldwide dropped dead, nothing significant would happen to any biological systems. They're just a nuisance.
  • "Alexa, eliminate species #29048"

  • Whether it is a good idea or not, if the goal is to get rid of mosquitoes, this method might succeed better than lasers zapping the mosquitoes!

    This is different from drugs killing large percent of the population, leaving behind immunized populations to propagate. These sterile mosquitoes, fight for and win females and resources and then squander them. So even if a rare mutated immunized mosquito is formed, it is not likely to get far. Its progeny need to find similar immunized males to propagate the immu

  • Uhhh... I'm disappointed. This article has some scientific work behind it. I was expecting Google to embed ultrasounds in ads ... or somethin'
  • Breeding and distributing species of mosquitoes that avoid humans, however, would actually be ecologically benign.

    I'm sure it won't be done because it costs .01 cents more per hundred thousand mosquitoes killed.

  • our environment? What could go wrong?

  • they waste time doing it in Cali instead of the real world

  • So many commenters here who figure that scientists are the last people to get the news about fragile food chains and the dangers of unintended consequence. Probably these commenters are the same group of people who never did their own arithmetic to determine that the precautionary principle can't be applied along all possible dimensions simultaneously.

    Add an invasive species where it wasn't formerly found. Big problem: the precautionary principle says to remove the species immediately (some things are still

  • With each news release from Alphabet/Google, it seems we'll soon see them convert into Aperture Science Labs.

  • The potential consequences make me a little nervous though. Mosquitoes are a leading theory on what drives the caribou to migrate. The caribou will stay in one area until the mosquitos are more than they can take, then they start running. May not stop running for a couple of days. This, combined with the birds and bats others have mentioned, make me a little nervous about potential consequences.
  • One in a million or whatever will survive and develop an immunity. A few of those will find each other and breed.
    All this will lead to.is a new breed of mosquitoes that are immune to wolbachia.

  • Big Brother Google gets more evil by the day. Now we see these self-righteous wannabe genocidaires planning to release a biological weapon, in hopes of wiping out a whole species.

    We call the faction who control Google "social just-us nazis" because they espouse censorship, racism, and militarism. So I guess it's not surprising that they are also enthused about causing animal megadeath. If these crazies are allowed to remain in power, it won't be long until they're building death camps for us deplorables.

    P

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  • If you eliminate one thing out of the equation, the whole system will self modify to adapt to that change. It's not like taking one life form out of food chain will destroy the universe. If things were that fragile as removing mosquitos from existence, the world will end. If things were like that, we would never evolve to this point to begin with. Nature changes and adapts, old things die, new gets born, new dies, surface heats up, freezes, floods, dries up, and everything else in between.

    Only a human ca
  • Mosquitoes are almost certainly the backbone of evolution. With every bite, they transport viruses that silently transmit R/DNA fragments from 1 species to another. Most of these will do nothing. Some of them will be diseases such as west Nile, Dengue, VEE, etc. Others will be cancer. Yes, down the road, we will figure it out that some cancers were arthopod-borne. BUT, some of these fragments will actually cause a positive Gene to be formed. These fragments/genes will actually code for something useful. Sa
  • Our friend the mosquito is responsible for adding years to the lifespan of the human race as a whole... see what will happen to the lungs of the planet when population growth and travel is unchecked.
  • Phase 1: Male Mosquitoes infected with wolbachia breed with females and produce eggs that never hatch

    Phase 2: A strain of wolbachia is developed to cross the species barrier and infect humans

    Phase 3: Mosquitoes bite humans and transfer altered strain of wolbachia to human hosts who then breed and only give birth to still-born children

    Where is Venom Snake when you need him...

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