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In a Wide-Ranging Interview, Elon Musk Talks About Visiting Mars, Battle To Keep Tesla Afloat, and Neuralink (medium.com) 180

Elon Musk reckons there's a 70 percent chance he'll go to Mars, even as he knows there's a good chance he won't survive there. "I'm talking about moving there," the SpaceX and Tesla CEO said in a wide-ranging, but brief interview with Axios on HBO. "We've recently made a number of breakthroughs that I'm just really fired up about."

In the interview, he also spoke about Neuralink, the company he launched last year to build brain-enhancing implants. "The long-term aspiration of Neuralink would be to achieve a symbiosis with artificial intelligence," he said. "If we have billions of people with a high-bandwidth link to an AI extension of themselves, it would actually make everyone hyper-smart."

Musk also revealed that Tesla had been "single-digit weeks" away from death with the company "bleeding" cash as it ramped up Model 3 production. He said he was worried about imploding and that the stress of working seven days a week and sleeping at the Tesla factory was very painful."It hurts my brain and my heart," said Musk, who recently publicly urged people to explore electric cars, even if they come from companies Tesla competes with.
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In a Wide-Ranging Interview, Elon Musk Talks About Visiting Mars, Battle To Keep Tesla Afloat, and Neuralink

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    I pity those that go there looking for adventure only to realize they are standing in a tube.

    • Re:Mars... (Score:5, Informative)

      by Gavagai80 ( 1275204 ) on Monday November 26, 2018 @08:19AM (#57700800) Homepage

      Many people have enjoyed exploring Antarctica, even when it's mostly just sitting around in ugly research bases through the winter and occasionally looking at a bleak white landscape. It's not for me, but I'm sure there are people who will enjoy Mars.

      • by King_TJ ( 85913 ) on Monday November 26, 2018 @08:48AM (#57700932) Journal

        I don't think any explorer, ever, just came to a new land for the first time and lived an immediate life of comfort.

        The point is, somebody has to be first to attempt to colonize a new land (or world in the case of Mars), and that's a task certain people find a VERY rewarding challenge

        And yes - a few people enjoy spending time in places with very harsh conditions, where there aren't many other human beings around. My dad was friends with a teacher who took a sabbatical leave to visit Antarctica and live in one of those research facilities for a year or so. He came back with some amazing photos and stories, and didn't regret it a bit. (Not saying he'd be eager to do it again or to move there permanently ... but it's something not many people have experienced, so I can see the attraction.)

    • It would sure beat the life of many people that spend their time in small cubes. At least distances in one dimension would be bigger...

    • I pity those that go there looking for adventure only to realize they are standing in a tube.

      I think a lot of people hope they will be remembered as a Lewis or Clark. Maybe have a town named after them on Mars for being one of the original settlers.
      They see what they're doing as glorious and adventurous, burning a trail... and maybe it is. Not something I'd want to do. I'm all for us trying to colonise another planet if for no other reason than the undoubted tech it will spark... but I don't want to go. Not even the prospect of having Mcweanyville be named the capital city of Mars would encoura

  • Model 3 Yaaay (Score:5, Insightful)

    by stooo ( 2202012 ) on Monday November 26, 2018 @07:39AM (#57700656) Homepage

    the good thing is, Tesla is on the right track now....

    • Re:Model 3 Yaaay (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Monday November 26, 2018 @07:52AM (#57700688)

      the good thing is, Tesla is on the right track now....

      No, the good thing is that as Tesla succeeds, it forces other companies to make competing offers. Tesla Motors lit a fire under all the car makers and now they are scrambling to catch up. Without Tesla Motors electric cars would still be in the "well it's a nice idea..." category.

      • Re:Model 3 Yaaay (Score:4, Insightful)

        by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Monday November 26, 2018 @09:08AM (#57701012) Homepage Journal

        the good thing is, Tesla is on the right track now....

        No, the good thing is that as Tesla succeeds, it forces other companies to make competing offers.

        They're both good. Tesla being on the right track means they stay around longer, which means they exert more pressure on the other automakers, which is the thing you like.

      • Re:Model 3 Yaaay (Score:4, Insightful)

        by bill_mcgonigle ( 4333 ) * on Monday November 26, 2018 @09:31AM (#57701086) Homepage Journal

        That's doubtful. VW is out saying how they'll have a "Model 3 Killer", in what, 2023? That's so far out it can easily slip to double that.

        I would rather buy an electric pickup from Ford, given that they know how to build a body that can haul rock, pull stumps, and plow snow for three decades, but it doesn't look like I'm going to get that chance. My 25-yr-old ICE Chevy pickup will probably get replaced with a Tesla five years before Ford has their first FE-250 in the showrooms.

      • Re:Model 3 Yaaay (Score:5, Interesting)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Monday November 26, 2018 @09:38AM (#57701118) Homepage Journal

        Tesla deserves a lot of credit, but they were not the only ones driving this revolution.

        Nissan produced an affordable, practical EV that figured out a lot of the basic issues with an electric drivetrain, from the instrumentation to the integration with existing car tech to how to sell it to the public. They also built large rapid charging networks in several countries.

        There are many more too, especially in the commercial vehicle space. People said busses were too large to go electric, so BYD and others build 450kWh batteries and proved they worked just fine. LG have made a huge breakthrough in getting the battery cost down by using flat "pouch" cells (like in phones) rather than cylindrical ones. Hyundai and Kia have developed the most efficient EV drivetrains and figured out how to subtly adjust the bodywork to make their vehicles look "normal" but also get excellent range.

        So credit where credit is due. Tesla gets a lot of press but they are only the performance end of the market, they don't even make an affordable model and are only a bit player in many important markets like Europe, Japan and China.

        • Tesla deserves a lot of credit, but they were not the only ones driving this revolution. Nissan produced an affordable, practical EV that figured out a lot of the basic issues with an electric drivetrain, from the instrumentation to the integration with existing car tech to how to sell it to the public.

          The Nissan Leaf is a great car for what it does, and what it does is what most people actually need. In its way it was, and is, quite as groundbreaking as the Tesla.

          What Tesla did, however, was different: what they did was to change the entire mindset about electric cars. Before Tesla, what people thought about with electric cars was "ok, maybe they work, but they're basically glorified golf carts, ok I guess if you are ok with being poky and not driving very far." What Tesla did was make the public thin

        • Re:Model 3 Yaaay (Score:4, Informative)

          by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Monday November 26, 2018 @01:13PM (#57702480)
          Tesla, Nissan, GM are not the ones driving the EV revolution. CARB (California Air Resources Board) is. They introduced a ZEV mandate [ucsusa.org] in 2012(?). Every year, each auto manufacturer must sell a certain percentage of Zero Emissions Vehicles (right now mostly EVs, though Toyota has a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle). A manufacturer who fails to meet that percentage must buy credits from a company which exceeded theirs (i.e. Tesla - this is the whole reason Musk set up the company - he realized he could sell EVs at a loss and still compete with ICE vehicles by selling the credits). A manufacturer who fails to buy enough credits is banned from selling cars in California. And since about a dozen states automatically adopt CARB's guidelines, they'd be banned from selling cars in about a third of the U.S. by population.

          No manufacturer wants to be cut off from that much of the U.S. market, so they are all tripping over themselves developing EVs for sale. If they can't sell enough of them, they run sales and incentives to move enough of them off the lots so they can hit the percentage. That's why there are occasionally those crazy deals on EV leases in 2015 and 2016 (best I saw was $49/mo for 3 years for a VW eGolf). And that's why those crazy deals are only available in California (only EVs sold in California count towards the ZEV mandate).

          In other words, the percentage of car sales which are EVs is not organic. It's pre-ordained by CARB. The formula is a bit complex, but for 2018 it's about 2.5% of vehicle sales which need to be ZEVs. For 2025 it's about 8%.

          CARB has tried this before. They were first set to implement the ZEV mandate in 2000. That's why GM invested nearly a billion dollars developing the EV-1. By 1999, theirs was the only vehicle which could meet the ZEV mandate. GM stood to make billions of dollars licensing the technology to other automakers. The other automakers petitioned CARB saying that technology just wasn't developed enough to produce viable ZEVs, and the best they could do at the time was a hybrid drivetrain (which environmentalists initially hated because they derive all their energy from gasoline). CARB relented and rescinded the ZEV mandate, pulling the rug out from under GM and basically flushing their billion dollar investment down the toilet. In retaliation, GM recalled every EV-1 and destroyed them, and locked up their research in a basement file cabinet so that California would never benefit from their double-cross.
      • by Ogive17 ( 691899 )
        Electric cars existed prior to Tesla and most auto makers had "alternative fuel" vehicles out for awhile.

        Tesla is actually a late-comer but with the benefit of being able to focus completely on the electric car. They were able to utilize a supplier chain that was already established and only had to worry about the battery technology.

        I see Tesla like Apple when the iPods came out. Not the first to do it but the 1st to market the heck out of it.
      • by kbahey ( 102895 )

        Unfortunately, reality proves that big auto companies never learn, even when the future is right in front of them (Tesla proving that electrical works and has many advantages).

        Just today, an example: General Motors announced that it will close 8 plants [bbc.com].

        • The plant closings have little to do with electric cars, and much to do with the fact that American sedans have steeply declined in popularity over the past decade.

          To whit, Ford did the same thing last year, for the same reasons - slough off the models that are costing us money so we can focus on moving the brand forward.

          • by kbahey ( 102895 )

            My point is this ...

            Tesla produces sedans and have a long waiting list, so the demand is there (but electric instead of ICE).

            But instead of capitalizing on this demand and making electric vehicles (sedans and otherwise), the big auto companies just shut down the plants, rather than producing viable alternatives.

  • I am really excited about the recent breakthroughs they have made regarding living on Mars. Does anyone have links to the scientific journals where they describe them? Also, links to the Neuralink patents and scientific journal articles would be great too! Also, if someone can send a link where we can buy a $35k Tesla, send that too!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 26, 2018 @08:22AM (#57700814)

    IMHO, there are people that zap mosquitoes with lasers, then shy away from delivering an actual useful product at the end. And there are people who deliver a mosquito laser zapping box, but along the way, blind a few early adopters while they get the real world kinks out.

    I put Musk in the later category. The world needs more Musks, I just don't want to be an early adopter of his products.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      To be fair to Tesla their cars don't seem to be any more dangerous than other brands. What pisses people off is that they, or more specifically Musk, promise features that then don't materialize. The whole "your car will get continual software updates" thing turned out to be just like every other kind of software - release beta quality crap and patch it later.

      Take your pick. Works and properly tested but never updated, or half baked but might be amazing one day, maybe.

  • Sure thing, Elon (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Bohnanza ( 523456 )
    This guy makes shit up faster than Trump, but people actually believe him
    • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

      I believe him. He delivers on his promises. Bruce, Rei, and I are going to be on the first flight to Mars. So long suckers! Enjoy your miserable existence. We will be enjoying Elysium on Mars, away from the hoi polloi. It is truly a technocrats dream!
  • Super smart... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Voice of satan ( 1553177 ) on Monday November 26, 2018 @09:30AM (#57701080)

    "If we have billions of people with a high-bandwidth link to an AI extension of themselves, it would actually make everyone hyper-smart."

    I am afraid most of us would become immensely powerfully idiotic. Most humans are probably born as smart as your good scientist or good writer. Like most people are born with a body with the potential to be an athlete.

    It is just most people have not desire for excellence. They are not educated that way. Our problem is not that much a lack of brain processing power. We already have intelligence magnifying tools. Take writing for example. Wonderful things have indeed been written and that is not over. But most people won't bother with books and plenty of magazines with stories about celebrities are sold. Internet is used to watch porn and hurl insults to each other, etc...

    Tools and system are fine and all. But you need the right people to do nice things with them. We are not there yet.

    • Yeah no. We are not born equal. Otherwise there would be many Usain Bolt's.
      • by Anonymous Coward

        Yeah no. We are not born equal. Otherwise there would be many Usain Bolt's.

        And this the liberal mind forgets when they try to measure results and complain that they are unequal so opportunity is obviously unfair.

    • I tried to watch an episode of the Kardashians yesterday.

      I lasted about a minute, if that's the human race then we're doomed.

      (not even making this up)

    • "If we have billions of people with a high-bandwidth link to an AI extension of themselves, it would actually make everyone hyper-smart."

      I am afraid most of us would become immensely powerfully idiotic.

      It's a pretty pie-in-the-sky way of looking at the situation, especially considering that "providing more access to accurate information" has decidedly not been the trend in technology over the past few decades; back in the 90's, we saw the fledgling internet (then consisting of mostly government and university websites) as a great means of disseminating information; but since the dot-com boom of the early 2000's, that mission scope has changed; now the internet's mantra is "how can we get more money/clicks

    • by dwpro ( 520418 )
      If the AI extension was roughly equivalent and a significant augmentation of human baseline potential (as I would expect it would be), I have a hard time believing that we'd see a huge disparity in the use of the technology among people. No doubt you'd see individuals seeking excellence and pushing the limits of the tech, but I can imagine the bulk of the use-case for this type of technology being rather mundane ways to optimize everyday life to a baseline built off of a collective intelligence that few ca
    • "Hyper-smart" people will be hyper-able to take advantage of those who don't have AI augmentation.

      To prevent or offset this, you will see a "progressive" movement to regulate the implants. They will only be permitted if they also change the personality of the implantee -- making the implantee "hyper-compassionate" (as defined by a regulatory body).

      Also look for promotion of the idea that if the "hyper-smart" are not hyper-taxed, they simply aren't paying their fair share.

  • I just don't think that a "symbiosis with artificial intelligence" is likely to be the path. AI is basically just a bunch of ways of getting computers to do things that humans already do, albeit sometimes with more data than a human could possibly be trained on. I don't see that these methods mesh with the brain as they are based either on (a) pure philosophical speculation on how the mind works, (b) statistical algorithms that don't have a clear use-case for interfacing directly to our brains or (c) mod

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Look, the "Telsa's going private" episode proved beyond reasonable doubt that either he is a pathological liar or that he isn't able to separate wishful thinking from reality. It also demonstrated profoundly poor judgment. We should listen to this guy why? But sign me up for brain surgery, I'm definitely ok with having some active electronic device inserted into my brain. As long as it's postmortem.

  • Anything below -50 C you'll need a spacesuit to go outside :) Brrrr
  • Surely, Elon you can muster a AWD design brief for a utility V that has 9" ground clearance, tow 8.000#, haul 10 overhead storage bags; 5 souls and get 300 mi. before empty that's not just another pickup truck. The Tesla X does not an SUV make. Arguably its the coolest, best crossover. Its not utility. Tesla owns the E in EV, lead it. Elon you have the cajones to juggle not two but three tech companies; four if SolarCity counts.

    Begin with '97 2 door, barn door Tahoe 4x4 aesthete as Tesla's brief. Design a

  • by Luckyo ( 1726890 ) on Monday November 26, 2018 @06:09PM (#57704268)

    If you want to know more, and not the sanitized tidbits that a mainstream outlet thinks you should know and nothing else, Rogan's interview with Musk provides a good insight into the man and his views.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

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