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NASA is Showering One City With Sonic Booms and Hoping No One Notices (cnet.com) 95

Eric Mack, reporting for CNET: NASA has been deliberately creating sonic booms off the coast of Galveston, Texas, since Monday in the hope that residents on the barrier island community won't be too bothered by the sound of an F/A-18 aircraft briefly going supersonic. That's because the research jet is performing a dive maneuver designed to reduce the normally thunderous sonic boom to what NASA calls a "quiet thump," more like the sound of a car door slamming. The test flights are aimed at measuring the community response to the new, quieter booms and are part of NASA's larger effort to develop a new, more muted supersonic plane that might be able to fly over land. Current regulations prohibit flights over land that generate sonic booms.
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NASA is Showering One City With Sonic Booms and Hoping No One Notices

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  • Just what kind of land is it that generates sonic booms?

  • by nwaack ( 3482871 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @04:38PM (#57608262)
    the pilot does the maneuver wrong and shatters every home and car window in a 1000 foot radius.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Why are you going supersonic at only 1000ft AGL?

    • I was watching a movie once in a theater, and the Blue Angels hit a sonic boom before they got over the ocean and the whole place shook, and the screen itself was also rocking back and forth after they passed. They tend to get in trouble for this sort of thing, there are strict rules about sonic booms. But you know how it is about fighter jocks and rules.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      JAXA (Japan's space agency) has been doing similar experiments for a few years now. The plan is to develop the technology using the dive technique and then extend it to work in level flight.

      Diving also has another advantage for testing. It's easier to go supersonic in a dive thanks to gravity assist, and you don't have to worry so much about control surfaces and stability in the tricky transition region which frees you up to concentrate on reducing the sonic boom.

  • Nothing new (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Archfeld ( 6757 ) <treboreel@live.com> on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @04:49PM (#57608350) Journal

    I live in SW Arizona and the air show that goes on here regularly includes F35's at low altitude, Raptors doing test runs and touchdowns for half the year, Marine air copters, A10's all training and providing a private air show at the Marine Air base, and the Yuma Proving grounds. Nothing beats a cold brew, and vaporizer and a great air show pool side in the evening. Last showing ends promptly at 22:00.
    Come enjoy the show - Karn Evil (ELP)

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @04:55PM (#57608372)
      That all sounds fucking cool except the Arizona part.
      • by Archfeld ( 6757 )

        Part of the year Arizona is an awesome place to be. In the winter it is 80F and sunny almost all the time. Why do you think thousands of snow birds come here during the cool times to enjoy the wonderful climate. During July of course it is hell on earth, but everything, and I do mean everything is air conditioned here.

        https://www.snowbirdadvisor.ca... [snowbirdadvisor.ca]

        In the summer I go back to the SF bay area in California and enjoy the wonderful climate there.

  • by mysidia ( 191772 )

    "quiet thump," more like the sound of a car door slamming

    Please no.... Just because you want to fly your plane a little bit faster.
    It's totally unjustifiable forcing me to be exposed to noise equivalent to a car door slamming at random: that's still an unfair violation of my right to seclusion and peaceful enjoyment of my property that is well aways from any city or other place subject to routine manmade noises, and also, especially if i'm trying to record audio of nature, etc --- An unwanted intrus

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      I don't think many people will have sympathy for your intolerance of a car door closing when they have to live with far worse constantly. Few people have the luxury of living in a secluded enough area to regularly enjoy purely natural sounds, let alone all the time without interruption.

      • by mysidia ( 191772 )

        I don't think many people will have sympathy for your intolerance of a car door closing

        It's NOT a car door closing -- its part a sonic boom that they Claim in their words to be similar in ordinary sounding in their hopes to a car door closing - they aren't supplying a maximum number of decibels on the ground --- they ask different people to rank the loudness, and some people say they hear a Medium-Loud, and others say they hear a Loud boom.....

        Guess how loud it's going to sound to you outside, if you ar

    • by MobyDisk ( 75490 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @05:44PM (#57608664) Homepage

      I recommend that you train animals to make the sound of car doors slamming, so that in your recordings you will never know if it was a natural sound or a man-made one.

      • They already have that in Texas, but it's weird, they make them wear these giant hats and high-heel boots!

      • by mysidia ( 191772 )

        I recommend that you train animals to make the sound of car doors slamming

        I was thinking of fitting helmets with attack lasers onto the heads of some birds and training them to home in on and take out anything that sounds like a door slamming.

    • yeah they are going to be absolutely CIRCLING your house... A commercial supersonic aircraft isn't coming any time soon even once the sonic boom is addressed. On top of that, when it DOES happen, it will be a few planes on a few daily runs for a long time to come. Assuming you're still alive at that point, and still living where you currently do, it's pretty slim odds that you would ever hear one of these things.

      when you hear a thump two or three times a day, just pretend it's a tree falling in the

      • You do know a commercial supersonic plane came, for like 30 years, and went?

        • A NEW commercial supersonic plane. Is that better? Point remains, if ticket prices are even half what Concorde's were, this will be a niche market, serving coast to coast travelers and international travelers. Your odds of being impacted by the noise are low. REGULAR airliners have to follow strict noise abatement procedures. No reason to think a supersonic plane would be any different near a major airport,

        • by ncc74656 ( 45571 ) *

          You do know a commercial supersonic plane came, for like 30 years, and went?

          ...and it wasn't allowed to fly over land, which greatly limited its usefulness. This is about an effort to develop commercial supersonic aircraft that can fly over land without rattling windows, spooking livestock, etc.

    • "...right to seclusion and peaceful enjoyment of my property..."

      I don't believe there is any such right.

      If you want to live in absolute seclusion, go live in a country that has no meaningful airforce.
      I'm sure you can find reasonably-priced, remote property in Zaire. No sonic booms at all. Enjoy.

      • by mysidia ( 191772 )

        I don't believe there is any such right.

        Of course there is... it's literally called a Landowner's Right to Quiet Enjoyment, and
        interfering with that results in a legal tort for which one can be sued called Private Nuisance [thefreedictionary.com]

        A private nuisance is an interference with a person's enjoyment and use of his land. The law recognizes that landowners, or those in rightful possession of land, have the right to the unimpaired condition of the property and to reasonable comfort and convenience in its occupation.

        Examp

    • Where do you live that there's no air traffic? Seems like everywhere I go I'm hearing jet engines that are louder than a car door closing anyway. And I'm talking some pretty boondockish spots, there's just always some rich guys who can afford to fly into the area.

  • No, I am sorry, there has to be rational and reasonable noise limit.
  • In the Pre-Harvey days, you could hear the thump down here by Rockport. After the hurricane, we have yet to hear them again. I guess they quit doing it so that any weakened structures don't fall in or windows go ahead and fail. I don't hear the pops or thumps anyplace else, including Mustang Island.

  • by dcooper_db9 ( 1044858 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @05:26PM (#57608556)
    After 911 the Air Force sent jets into DC. Then the Feds implemented no-fly zones around the city. Every time a plane came into the Airpark from the wrong direction they sent jets to intercept. The sonic booms they produced weren't just loud, they caused drywall and roofing tiles to crack.
  • "NASA is Showering One City With Sonic Booms "

    Havana? I hate to break it to you, but you're doing it wrong. Friendly fire.

  • the research jet is performing a dive maneuver

    I sure hope that they don't expect planes to go across the continent doing a dive maneuver. Might be tricky getting over the Rockies, especially heading west.

    • by crow ( 16139 )

      The boom is only when crossing the sound barrier. Once they do that, they can continue to go fast without diving.

    • Where I come from, the mountains are the same height flying over them either direction!

      Canada is so silly!

      Is this somehow related to why your upper jaw moves when you talk, instead of your lower jaw?

  • Sonic Booms (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @06:01PM (#57608762)

    Galveston Resident here, and I'm part of the test as I'm reporting on the noise levels. The sound is still audible, but not anything like the booms normally sound.
    I've heard several already and I'd liken the sound to a demo blast going off many miles away. A low rumble, or thump (several actually), not quite thunder.

  • ... then people won't be too upset about them.
  • Well, the FAA, not NASA. It was called Operation Bongo II [wikipedia.org]. Is this Operation Bongo III?

  • Jeez, you don't TELL people that's what you're doing until you've finished doing it and asked them if they noticed anything. Now every luddite in the area will bitch.

    • Jeez, you don't TELL people that's what you're doing until you've finished doing it and asked them if they noticed anything. Now every luddite in the area will bitch.

      Galveston TX is a narrow island where most of the giant cruise ships dock. It is almost fully covered with structures. They have amusement parks instead of neighborhood parks, including ones on the beach that jut out into the ocean.

      If they ever had Luddites, they moved to West Texas decades ago.

      If you don't know what the place is, look at a picture for a laugh.

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