Elon Musk Shakes Up SpaceX's Starlink Satellite Division By Firing a Bunch of Managers (reuters.com) 136
schwit1 shares a report from Reuters: SpaceX Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk flew to the Seattle area in June for meetings with engineers leading a satellite launch project crucial to his space company's growth. Within hours of landing, Musk had fired at least seven members of the program's senior management team at the Redmond, Washington, office, the culmination of disagreements over the pace at which the team was developing and testing its Starlink satellites. Known for pushing aggressive deadlines, Musk quickly brought in new managers from SpaceX headquarters in California to replace a number of the managers he fired. Their mandate: Launch SpaceX's first batch of U.S.-made satellites by the middle of next year, the sources said.
The management shakeup followed in-fighting over pressure from Musk to speed up satellite testing schedules, one of the sources said. SpaceX's spokeswoman Eva Behrend offered no comment on the matter. Culture was also a challenge for recent hires, a second source said. A number of the managers had been hired from nearby technology giant Microsoft, where workers were more accustomed to longer development schedules than Musk's famously short deadlines. "Rajeev wanted three more iterations of test satellites," one of the sources said. "Elon thinks we can do the job with cheaper and simpler satellites, sooner."
The management shakeup followed in-fighting over pressure from Musk to speed up satellite testing schedules, one of the sources said. SpaceX's spokeswoman Eva Behrend offered no comment on the matter. Culture was also a challenge for recent hires, a second source said. A number of the managers had been hired from nearby technology giant Microsoft, where workers were more accustomed to longer development schedules than Musk's famously short deadlines. "Rajeev wanted three more iterations of test satellites," one of the sources said. "Elon thinks we can do the job with cheaper and simpler satellites, sooner."
Mixed feelings (Score:5, Interesting)
On the one hand, I am quite glad to see such an actively involved CEO that is not afraid to smack down on senior staff. (as this mitigates feelings of complacency, and resists the formation of entrenched bureaucracies.)
On the other, I am concerned about rushed deadlines and schedules, since you should not fuck around with things that can cause tremendous amounts of damage to other investments should they go awry. (Like a satellite, or a space vehicle of any kind.) To say nothing of the risks of the finished product not being suitable for purpose...
So yeah. Mixed feelings.
Re: Mixed feelings (Score:2, Interesting)
No mixed feelings here. The numbers of just terrible people pumped out of the Microsoft factory is staggering.
The good news is they tend to go back and then get paid more.
Maybe the good ones never leave. I just know they seem to not survive outside of that ecosystem.
Re: Mixed feelings (Score:5, Insightful)
I have worked with people with Microsoft, Google, AOL (when it was a thing).... And for the most part they are not any better then those guys who worked at small companies, or even in Government.
Actually people from small companies, are actually much better, because they know how to do more with less.
Re: Mixed feelings (Score:4, Interesting)
I have worked with people with Microsoft, Google, AOL (when it was a thing).... And for the most part they are not any better then those guys who worked at small companies, or even in Government. Actually people from small companies, are actually much better, because they know how to do more with less.
Damn, I already posted so I can't mod you up. I couldn't agree more and only HR drones who wouldn't know a well run tech company from a tire fire wouldn't know this. For everyone else, you have no excuse for not knowing this. Working at Google these days should be a black mark, not a sign of quality. 10 years ago it would be different but that was a different Google.
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I have worked with people with Microsoft, Google, AOL (when it was a thing).... And for the most part they are not any better then those guys who worked at small companies, or even in Government. Actually people from small companies, are actually much better, because they know how to do more with less.
That has been my experience as well. People from both large companies and government tend, more often than not, to have personalities congruent with bureaucracy - there is a level of comfort and security that comes with the size and resources of the organization, but it kills drive and efficiency... In small companies, if something needs to get done and there is nobody else with experience in the task... congratulations, you just signed up for a new, probably stressful, learning experience. But shit gets
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On the other, I am concerned about rushed deadlines and schedules
I finally got more than a single persons limited feedback on the software i'm developing. I had another day of updates in, and was going to roll another point rev for tomorrow to incorporate that feedback while the customer was just getting started using the software.
I started on the changes only to hear, well none of that is getting used. Go to the other lab and help approve the previous version the customer hasn't given any feedback on. In short go backwards, ignore feedback so I can check my box. In
Re: Mixed feelings (Score:5, Informative)
Unfortunately there is a fairly tight deadline which isn't mandated by spacex but rather by the FCC. The license for the satellite constellation requires them to launch at least half of their satellites within 6 years of approval. SpaceX has applied for an exemption to this rule, but AFAIK it has not been granted. While it seems likely that the FCC will grant them some leeway as long as they make good progress, that still means that they can't afford any excessive delays.
Reminds of a job I had, (Score:2, Insightful)
The sales guys took a project (and the awesome commissions) with a sick deadline - without engineering's input.
When we were told about it and complained, "It's not out deadline, it's the customers! And if we didn't take it, someone else would have! And if you don't think you can deliver, then maybe this isn't the job for you and you don't belong here."
Those that didn't put the stupid hours in got "didn't meet expectations" on their next review.
After a year of 12+ hour days 7 days a week, we missed the deadl
Re: Reminds of a job I had, (Score:1)
Doing a contract for somebody else is different than having regulations you must meet. Go peddle your crap elsewhere.
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Jesus, this reminds you of only one job?
I've lost track of how many times I've seen that, and by the time the project is falling apart, the sales guy has gotten his commission check and moved on to lying to other customers.
Hell, one time one of the products I maintained got sold to a customer for ... well, who knows, actually.
We got a support call, and it went something like:
Customer: So, we're tr
heres a tip (Score:2)
Ignore management.
Fix the features you want, on your own lunch time, keep the changes 'locally stored' not checked in.
Have your own 'version' then when they ask for those features, magically merge them in 1 hr, look like a hero.
Sometimes, pretend that 1hr fix takes 3hrs, and do 2hrs of your own feature that a customer wants.
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It doesn't always work though. Look at Tesla, the self driving division had to fit a revolving door and they are still years away from delivering anything.
Re:Mixed feelings (Score:4, Interesting)
Tesla recently removed the full-self-driving as an option for new cars. People who bought it 2 years ago still have absolutely nothing, zip, to show for it. But I bet Elon fired a lot of people for it not being ready when he said it would (end of 2017 was supposed be a coast-to-coast demo), hence the revolving door. From what I read and heard, nobody tells Elon something cannot be done or cannot be done within the time he said it can be done, unless they are looking to be fired. This is probably how horrible brain farts of Elon like "I don't need no stinking BSM radars like all the other cars, I can do it with PARKING SENSORS!" get put into the product (it works about as well as a PARKING sensor iwould be expected to work at NON-PARKING speeds, which is not well at all, but Tesla will not admit to it, they scraped their website of this feature being available int past and in recent hardware cars they just released camera based blind spot monitoring). I think a great example of how Elon delivers is AutoPilot 1 Summon, where Elon promised it would "find you anywhere on private property". What was delivered (final version as this is now discontinued hardware) is a feature where the car can drive up to 40ft in a straight line while someone is holding a dead-man-switch to make sure the car doesn't hit anything. That pretty much describes Elon's pattern for the last 5 years. He used to achieve great things, now he's just blowing a lot of hot air.
Re:Mixed feelings (Score:5, Insightful)
I think Elon just has this magical view about computers. He seems to have a pretty decent at understanding the limitations of mechanical systems. He hasn't proposed anything rocket based that was not compliant with existing technology. And while the hyperloop has many, many details issues, it is not fundamentally unachievable. It's just that when he starts talking computers he seems to think the x86 in your desktop is a couple iterations away from being a monkey brain or something.
Re:Mixed feelings (Score:4, Funny)
Interesting fact*, the 80186 original design called for transistors made from crystallized lemur neurons.
*Not a true fact.
Re: Mixed feelings (Score:3)
Are you the other writer? [youtube.com]
Re:Mixed feelings (Score:5, Interesting)
I've seen managers like this before. The problem is, if YOU are the one who decides to cut tests and take shortcuts, and then you send up 50 satellites and they don't work because of those cuts, you career is over. But if the boss is the one who makes that decision and the decision turns out to be a bad one, the issue gets filled under 'well, we had to try' and everyone moves on.
It's really just a product of having a boss with a ginormous ego - you're sorta screwed if you don't and screwed if you do. Eventually if you are the type who can be controlled by bullying and remain a faithful servant (i.e. much like Tim Cook - compliant and not a threat to the alpha), you will become protected by the boss as a useful asset and then life is much easier.
Now Musk has made the risky decision, everyone will be able to move forward knowing their necks are not so exposed if the gamble doesn't work out.
Re:Mixed feelings (Score:5, Insightful)
Now Musk has made the risky decision, everyone will be able to move forward knowing their necks are not so exposed if the gamble doesn't work out.
Oh sure, until that gamble rolls craps, THEN you are done too.
If the boss is willing to ignore his direct reports, fire a bunch of them because he doesn't like what they tell him about cost and schedule, you don't feel better, you polish up your resume and start looking for another job. Unless the upper management was just garbage and everyone knew it, everybody knows what this means, regardless of how possible something is or isn't, you deliver, on time, or you are given your walking papers.
This is absolutely the crappiest way to motivate labor and foster team work. Mustk has unwittingly created a dog eat dog world with CYA "I told you so" documentation flying off the printers at all levels. Nobody will want to be left holding the bag and everybody will be setting up to blame the other guy in hopes of keeping his job. Team work be damned.
You see the real "solution" (if there actually is one) is well motivated teamwork. Getting everybody pulling the same direction at the same time on the stuff that matters most. That kind of culture doesn't get built on firing folks. You build such a culture using carrots, not sticks.
Re:Mixed feelings (Score:5, Interesting)
From the sounds of this article they already had a fairly toxic work environment with management split about the appropriate way forward. Elon simply picked a side and fired the rest so they wouldn't remain a festering wound.
I have lived through similar (though smaller in scale) shake-ups and by and large they have been beneficial in focusing the team and removing the stress of politics and having to please bosses with opposed goals.
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From the sounds of this article they already had a fairly toxic work environment with management split about the appropriate way forward. Elon simply picked a side and fired the rest so they wouldn't remain a festering wound.
If that's what Musk was trying to accomplish, he's every bit the idiot his detractors claim. You don't fire your underlings for not agreeing with your views, you fire them for not following your instructions or some kind of inexcusable behavior. What Musk did was to beat his underlings with a stick, which may produce immediate and visible compliance at first, but is counter productive in the long term, where they will react in fear. You want employees to take pride in their hard work because they care ab
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Oh sure, until that gamble rolls craps, THEN you are done too.
So what you're saying is that a startup company's efforts might fail? Oh no! /s
I would rather work for a company that is taking risks and maybe failing than work for a bureaucratic snail paced organization who eternally releases also-ran knock off products. If you want to collect a safe steady paycheck maintaining a product which is market proven and has a support contract for the next 40 years to fill out your career, that's a fine career path to choose but that's different from trying to launch a brand
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Oh sure, until that gamble rolls craps, THEN you are done too.
So what you're saying is that a startup company's efforts might fail? Oh no! /s
Not at all. What I'm saying is if you choose to totally ignore the opinions of people who disagree with you and fire a bunch of people closer to the actual work getting done than you are, you send a chilling message to the rest you didn't fire.
IF Musk fired these folks for BUDGETARY reasons, then let him say that. However, the same thing is going to happen to your work force. Layoffs are a very blunt tool, they destroy moral and culture, and should be used with care and as little as possible. You may l
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There is also another option. The managers that got fired were simply bad at doing their job. E.g. I have seen managers that don't do their work and the lie to cover it up and get caught. I have seen managers like this not get fired, but instead moved to elsewhere to continue there as a manager.
Re:Mixed feelings (Score:5, Interesting)
When you're launching ~10,000 cheap satellites over the coming years you need a different mindset than the people who work on traditional satellite deployments. If there's a problem with the first hundred satellites it's really no big deal.
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Cheap satellites sounds like a looming space junk problem. We don't need it to become cheaper to launch satellites.
Re: Mixed feelings (Score:2, Informative)
People who babble about space junk watch too much TV. These are low orbit, and will burn up in a pretty short timeframe.
Re: Mixed feelings (Score:4, Informative)
As long as you consider ~150 years a pretty short timeframe. The very first US satellite launched (70+ years ago) was launched into LEO and hasn't de-orbited yet.
Satellites launched into LEO are supposed to be setup to de-orbit within 25 years, but that is an assisted de-orbit. If the satellite is unresponsive space junk and if it is relatively small (as these are) it they could be up there a very long time.
The one benefit is that these are planned to be on the lower side of LEO (think I heard something around 100 or 150 miles) so you could knock a few years off of that 150 as the normal LEO satellites sit around 400 miles, but these are also smaller satellites so they would have less drag and any "junk" would probably be the result of collisions and would be smaller still.
Re: Mixed feelings (Score:4, Informative)
The very first US satellite launched (70+ years ago) was launched into LEO and hasn't de-orbited yet.
Really? From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]: ... Explorer 1 was launched on January 31, 1958 ... It remained in orbit until 1970
Explorer 1 was the first satellite of the United States
And that's with a 358x2550 km orbit. The majority of the Starlink satellites are slated to be in a 350x350 km orbit, they will decay much faster than Explorer 1 because of the lower apogee.
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Oh man that orbit make me laugh, it looks just like the orbits I got starting KSP.
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So I misspoke. I said first US satellite, but meant first US satellite in LEO. The explorer 1 was a MEO satellite. Explorer 7 was the first US satellite launched into LEO (in 1959) and it is still in orbit today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re: Mixed feelings (Score:2)
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Explorer I was the first successful US satellite launched on Jan. 31, 1958. It burned up in the atmosphere on March 30, 1970.
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SpaceX has said that they will be de-orbiting satellites within one year of their ending operating, rather than the 25-year recommendation. This obviously doesn't help if the satellite suffers from a failure that prevents it from de-orbiting, though the same is true with the 25-year figure.
Considering they plan to put up more than ten thousand satellites (with IIRC 4,000+ in the initial constellation), and that they plan to frequently replace them with updated versions over time, it's probably as much about
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They're going to be in a pretty low orbit, lower than the ISS, they'd passively deorbit with a couple of years even if their propulsion system failed to do so actively.
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So they'll only be flailing around in decaying orbits for a few years under the management of any third rate operation that can afford to pitch them into the sky.
What could possibly go wrong?
Re: Mixed feelings (Score:2)
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They have two up there for testing right now. Apart from the more technical tests they've obviously done, they've specifically called out YouTube playback at 4K and Counter-Strike: Go as two use cases they specifically tested. That might sound a bit silly, but they demonstrate high throughput and low latency in applications that the general public can understand. Reportedly, the cause of the dispute is that the manager(s) wanted three more generations of test satellite before the initial launch, while Musk
Re:Mixed feelings (Score:5, Informative)
There's a reason you can't pick up a cheap Cessna, and why you have to go through certifications, and why pilots are decrying the use of drones outside of their (heavily restricted) legal limits.
Nobody cares about what happens to your satellite. It's what it crashes into that's important. A rogue / malfunctioning satellite could easily take out anything - and orbits are getting more and more packed every day and just launching 10,000 things up there carelessly will end in disasters that won't just have you go "Oh well, launch another 10,000" but be brought before people with billion-dollar space programs demanding you never be allowed to launch anything ever again.
You've only got to hit something quite unimportant in the same orbit, and you could bankrupt the company overnight. Hit something that you didn't even really "know" was there and you could be looking at militaries (your own, or foreign) breathing down your neck.
Space is a controlled environment. Media stunts like launching cars on joke orbits aren't really compatible with that. We haven't got to the point that we can de-regulate ordinary airspace, so literally the only thing keeping you "safe" up in space from amateur idiots and commercially-produced tat is sheer volume of space. As that narrows, things get more and more stupid and dangerous.
You can't make cars without abiding by manufacturer regulations. You certainly can't build saleable aircraft without a shed-ton more regulation. Just lobbing things up into space isn't a behaviour that will be tolerated for very long once the first mess-up is made.
P.S. It took SpaceX years and dozens and dozens of test landings where they destroyed drone-boats, rockets, broke off their landing legs, abandoned landings to just plunge into the sea etc. before they got a landing that you can coo over. This stuff isn't "easy" and certainly isn't reliable.
Applying the same principle to something that might share an orbit with an component from your rivals that's so expensive that it might cost your company every profit it's ever made (yeah, right) in order to put something equivalent back up there in reparation? That's not "a different mindset". That's "commercial suicide".
Re: Mixed feelings (Score:2)
...as this mitigates feelings of complacency, and resists the formation of entrenched bureaucracies.
When you make it sound like that, Stalin's Great Purge comes to mind.
Re: Mixed feelings (Score:2)
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It's easy to criticise, but hard to defend such a position in the light of all the monumental accomplishments Space-X realised...
How can we judge from our lazy chairs if Elon did the right thing here?
His track record is amazing. And sure, he does make (some) mistakes; but none of those could have been avoided by outsiders interpreting news articles...
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How exactly did they steal billions of dollars? Last I checked, they took a contract to launch stuff and then built a rocket to launch the stuff. Isn't that how capitalism is supposed to work?
"Unlimited budget" my ass...
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From my experience, when these projects get delayed and take a long time, is because most of the work going on is protecting your own butt. This is prevalent in work cultures which when there is a problem, the direction goes to who did the mistake and punish them. So people learn to have documentation, gigs of emails (copies of it if email is purged) to show off if there is a problem, that they have record of disagreeing with it, to showing they were told to do it that way, or someone else didn't do it th
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So what this tells me is that this piece of news might as well not exist. The only reasonable reaction is "Oh, okay".
Because whether this is a good or a bad decision on Musk's part depends on whether those managers were doing a good job or not, and not having insight into those managers' work and reasoning we can't tell if they were doing a good job or not, and therefore whether Musk's decision to fire them was a good one or not.
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To say nothing of the risks of the finished product not being suitable for purpose.
Like perhaps an "autopilot" feature that doesn't seem to always work as it should in avoiding obvious obstacles.
I remain in the "mixed feelings" category. Musk has led his companies to do some pretty amazing things, but he's clearly not the most stable of personalities, and not a person I'd likely enjoy working under.
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On the other, I am concerned about rushed deadlines
FCC is more to be blamed for that than Musk.
I'm here to kick ass & chew gum, & I'm out (Score:4, Interesting)
Well from my 10,000' view I would say that did look like Starlink had stalled. It certainly didn't seem to be progressing as quickly as I would have hoped. And now that SpaceX has lost some funding from the US military and Tesla wasn't bought out in the "funding secured" fiasco Elon needs to organise his future revenue streams.
He's not getting any younger and he's still working in a car factory... (and doing a bloody good job but that's just a means to an ends).
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He's not getting any younger and he's still working in a car factory...
He started out as a bank manager. Poor guy is headed in the wrong direction, career-wise!
I kid, I kid...
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Don't forget he's already digging underground. You can't get much lower than that, what a boring job!
Hey Elon, have you ever considered digging geothermal boreholes?
Re: I'm here to kick ass & chew gum, & I'm (Score:2)
Re: I'm here to kick ass & chew gum, & I'm (Score:2)
steve jobs left.... (Score:2)
He just made sure he cant come back.
But then again, Steve didnt invent anything and ripped everyone off.
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Steve Jobs was fired. He was 'the founder' and often in many growing businesses, 'the founder' becomes an encumbrance.
I've worked at companies like that, I am sure a lot of us have. Dude pops in on meetings and totally disrupts the ability to have productive discussions.
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The specifics of apple tell a different story.
Between the Jobs periods, Apple was incredibly incompetently run (by a goddamn soda salesman).
Look at the attempts to build a real OS (Copeland/OS8) during that period. If it hadn't been so sad, it would have been funny.
Apple dropped apple, took over Next and ran with that. Thank dog.
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Steve Jobs was fired. He was 'the founder' and often in many growing businesses, 'the founder' becomes an encumbrance.
I've worked at companies like that, I am sure a lot of us have. Dude pops in on meetings and totally disrupts the ability to have productive discussions.
Yes, because workers are total productive after they are laid off due to poor sales. This is probably a bad example, perhaps try again with someone who didn't save Apple and make it a trillion dollar company.
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You attribute a lot more of Apple's success to Jobs presence than many of us. It's simple empiricism. "Jobs present." "Jobs gone."
There are many complex factors beyond that. The myth of Jobs does indeed live on. It's same flavor of hype as the myth of 'Apple Culture' that produced so much software engineering bullshit, notably in that time span when Jobs was not part of the company. The Smalltalk era when all the 'coolest' people had Quadras on their desk. I remember some of those people saying Ether
Re: Firing managers is always a good idea! (Score:2)
Ive worked with microsoft (Score:5, Informative)
And it takes them AGES to get anything approved and everything goes through 100 hands.
It doesn't come as a surprise that short deadlines and pressure is a massive culture shock.
that explains the shit features (Score:3)
Cant do anything right, but yet, some retard wants to buy Nokia, and fucks it up inc Win Mob, and gets paid millions.
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The MS culture is about removing development efforts from developers to give managers a tighter control over where projects go. In turn developers only have to do a few very minor things and there are both more developers and more managers than actually required (a lot more in the latter case,) it makes it so their managers can lead in a top-down manner and actually get what they describe (most of the wiggle room developers have has been encoded into the managerial system through layers of managers deep en
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It's called "sharing the blame".
Heads on spikes for the rest of SpaceX (Score:2)
This was my biggest surprise in the article. While I know many people who have worked for Microsoft and can't disparage their technical skills, I do know that their management structure and culture is not something that you could not tolerate in a fast paced/startup organization.
I wonder if one of the purposes of these firings was a warning to other organizations within SpaceX and help set the expectation that Mr. Musk wants things fast and right the first time.
Forward thinking move (Score:5, Funny)
Elon Musk Shakes Up SpaceX's Starlink Satellite Division By Firing a Bunch of Managers
Into space?
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Not sure if future Boring Company 'human cannon' gimmick product, or prototype mass driver...
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Elon Musk Shakes Up SpaceX's Starlink Satellite Division By Firing a Bunch of Managers
Into space?
Better than burying them alive with the Boring company ...
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Fire them all (Score:3, Funny)
Lazy Seattle people only want to work 100 hour weeks.
Elon owns you now.
Speed is everything (Score:5, Interesting)
If one woman needs 9 months to create a baby, just put 9 women on the job and it will be done in 1 month.
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That's how it works with Warlock summoning rituals, yes. Wait, that IS where babies come from, right?!
Mommy, why'd you lie to me?!
But if 1,000 babies were expected from Space-X, (Score:1)
and they just waited around with 1,000 women on the payroll in order to achieve it. that wouldn't work so well if some of the women weren't even pregnant after all, and others were prone to miscarriages for medical reasons.
That's more like the situation here .... They can't get a project going in time to get thousands of small satellites in low space orbit if a big number of their engineers tasked with the project are still of the mentality of going much slower and reducing risk of a failed satellite to as
Rei ? (Score:1, Troll)
I wonder if Rei was one of them. I'll look out for any change of tone.
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Perhaps it was Rei who modded me down, which is why he cannot post. Or maybe he is quiet because he really is one of those guys who were fired - he certainly seems to have a senior position under Musk (or is he Musk himself?). Pity, I enjoy his posts, and I must admit I was hoping for "Funny" mods ... oh well.
Iridium did it (Score:1)
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The counter-point is that after Iridium's debt was erased, they became a profitable company and have launched their new "NEXT" constellation to replace the old one (65 launched to date, the final 10 launching next month). The new constellation cost them ~$2.9 billion USD (2.1 for the satellites, 0.8 for the launches), which is something like half or two thirds of the cost of their original constellation adjusted for inflation. The new constellation can also probably serve a much broader market due to higher
How many now are inspired to... (Score:2)
Invest in SpaceX?
https://www.fool.com/investing... [fool.com]
where did the fired managers come from? (Score:1)
Oh, right.... (Score:2)
Firing managers who weren't pushing an "agressive enough development schedule".
Also known as a death march, and upper management with the perception of reality Trumpolini has - "come on, all you need to do is move your mouse and do a few clickes, and your program's done, right?"
Clearly, Musk is of the opinion that if you work for him, his wants are your entire life, you have no life (nor do you deserve one) outside of work.
Worked a death march for Ameritech in the mid-nineties. My late wife was only semi-jo
Yay, boo! (Score:2)
Yay, he's kicking out a layer of useless managers who were holding up actual work getting done.
Boo, he's gone and installed new ones.
Oh Great. (Score:2)
Now that Elon isn't spending so much time screwing things up at Tesla it looks like he's spending more time over at SpaceX. Crap! Things were going so well over there too. Elon is good for getting projects started and setting the goals for his companies but he should be kept well away from the daily running of them (and away from Twitter).
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Your a dick shit, all cool people LOVE good scotch, not burbon , and screw you, he who can smoke has a better brain, but Elon rarely smokes so the jokes on you.
Now go back to your boring Ibm job in a suit.
Re:All while smoking a huge doobie (Score:4, Informative)
Your a dick shit
"You're"
Re: All while smoking a huge doobie (Score:2)
dick shit
Is it supposed to do that?? I strongly recommend seeing a urologist...
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all cool people LOVE good scotch, not burbon
You are doubly wrong about this. 1) scotch is for rich assholes who think spending a lot on something means its better and 2) bourbon (learn to spell cheekyboy) is the hot hipster spirit now, not scotch. This isn't the 80's
Re: All while smoking a huge doobie (Score:2)
(This is coming from someone who seldom drinks and detests both whisky and whiskey: if I want to wipe-out the beneficial bacteria in my guts, I reach for the 100% "puro de agave")
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There is nothing stupider (except our regular Trump troll) than arguing over matters of taste.
IMHO Bushmills' single malt.
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He also fired his entire house staff after specifically telling them NO MORE WIRE HANGERS!!!
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... telling them NO MORE WIRE HANGERS!!!
This has gots to be the most off-the-wall comparison of two different kinds of people ever.
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and swigging down a bottle of scotch. ...
Him smoking dope has been investigated and debunked - he was offered on the radio, tested and said he doesn't like it, all people remember now is his photo with a dope - he is however a relaxed man (well mostly).
Don't you mean Putin/Trump?
;-)
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Re:Do you want it to work or probably work? (Score:4, Funny)
"Probably work" is enough. He hired Microsoft managers, he must have prepared for "we'll fix it after delivery" processes.