Russia Thinks Someone With a Drill Caused the Recent ISS Air Leak (arstechnica.com) 255
Last week, NASA discovered a small pressure leak on the International Space Station. U.S. and Russian crew members managed to trace the leak to a 2mm breach in the orbital module of the Soyuz MS-09 vehicle and patch it with epoxy. The drama might have ended there, as it was initially presumed that the breach had been caused by a tiny bit of orbital debris, but Russian news outlets are reporting that the problem was a manufacturing defect. "It remains unclear whether the hole was an accidental error or intentional," reports Ars Technica. "There is evidence that a technician saw the drilling mistake and covered the hole with glue, which prevented the problem from being detected during a vacuum test."
"We are able to narrow down the cause to a technological mistake of a technician. We can see the mark where the drill bit slid along the surface of the hull," Dmitry Rogozin, head of the Russian space agency Roscosmos, told RIA Novosti. "We want to find out the full name of who is at fault -- and we will." From the report: NASA spokesman Dan Huot, based in Houston where the space station program is managed, deferred all comment on the issue to Roscosmos. The spacecraft was manufactured by Energia, a Russian corporation. A former employee of the company who is now a professor at Moscow State University told another Russian publication that these kinds of incidents have occurred before at Energia. "I have conducted investigations of all kinds of spacecraft, and after landing, we discovered a hole drilled completely through the hull of a re-entry module," the former Energia employee, Viktor Minenko, said in Gazeta.RU. "But the technician didn't report the defect to anyone but sealed up the hole with epoxy. We found the person, and after a commotion he was terminated," said Minenko. In this case, the technician used glue instead of epoxy. As the Soyuz hull is made from an aluminum alloy, it could have been properly repaired on Earth by welding, had the technician reported the mistake.
"We are able to narrow down the cause to a technological mistake of a technician. We can see the mark where the drill bit slid along the surface of the hull," Dmitry Rogozin, head of the Russian space agency Roscosmos, told RIA Novosti. "We want to find out the full name of who is at fault -- and we will." From the report: NASA spokesman Dan Huot, based in Houston where the space station program is managed, deferred all comment on the issue to Roscosmos. The spacecraft was manufactured by Energia, a Russian corporation. A former employee of the company who is now a professor at Moscow State University told another Russian publication that these kinds of incidents have occurred before at Energia. "I have conducted investigations of all kinds of spacecraft, and after landing, we discovered a hole drilled completely through the hull of a re-entry module," the former Energia employee, Viktor Minenko, said in Gazeta.RU. "But the technician didn't report the defect to anyone but sealed up the hole with epoxy. We found the person, and after a commotion he was terminated," said Minenko. In this case, the technician used glue instead of epoxy. As the Soyuz hull is made from an aluminum alloy, it could have been properly repaired on Earth by welding, had the technician reported the mistake.
Cultural meaning of terminated (Score:4, Funny)
I am pretty sure that terminated in Russia is not a good thing.
Re:Cultural meaning of terminated (Score:5, Informative)
Cultural "did-you-know" time! In Russian culture, one does not speak of "termination". The official/neutral word for being fired is "uvolen", literally, "made free". (As in freedom, not as in beer.)
Re: Cultural meaning of terminated (Score:5, Funny)
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Now, let's not bring Putin into this...
Let's be real (Score:5, Insightful)
The reason there are issues because people fear losing their jobs if they report a mistake of their own doing. It happens at some companies that don't realize that a mistake is part of normal business operations and thusly an expected cost.
They should find the person that did this and interview him and then hold his management responsible.
Re:Let's be real (Score:5, Insightful)
Mistakes happen where people work. Show me a person that makes no mistakes and I show you a person that does not work.
What sets good and mediocre companies apart is how they deal with the mistakes that happen and how they mitigate them.
Re:Let's be real (Score:5, Interesting)
The problem is not the hole (mistake 1), the problem is attempting to fix it incompetently (mistake 2) and hiding mistake 1 (mistake 3). From the drill-bit-slides, this was also a low-skill person that should not have been allowed near the vehicle (mistake 4). I mean, when I drill aluminum, the result does not look anywhere this bad and I am just an amateur.
This does not qualify as normal mistake anymore. This is a cluster of negligence and dishonesty that is pretty bad.
Re:Let's be real (Score:5, Interesting)
> I mean, when I drill aluminum, the result does not look anywhere this bad and I am just an amateur.
Yes, but how many holes does your drill have to make in aluminium before it can be replaced or sharpened with a jig.
It could still be more about equipment, and poor factory management than about unskilled labor. A slightly bent drill bit does exactly those marks, and using a punch on every one of thousands of rivet panels might not be required/allowed at that place.
I just finished a factory five chassis, drilling many many thousands of rivet holes in aluminum, likely very similar to what work was done on this body. Drill bits get killed doing this job by hand easily, as you line the two panels overtop each other before drilling to make sure the holes align correctly, and drill through both. You will occasionally have a gap (that rivets would eventually pull together) and the bit jumps between those sheets (after drilling though the top sheet into the bottom sheet) it will inevitably not come through clean and side load the bit causing it to be bent or chipped. Most of the time a drill bit was dead on average of 10-20 holes, but it could be after one, or a hundred drills. And these type of factory jobs in lower wage/class oriented countries tend to be overly stressed on preventing theft by over control of access to all supplies.
And I bet those aluminum panels are every bit as tough or more than the ones on my car. It isn't like drilling into freshly cast aluminium, these panels have been worked to have a hardened surface.
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Aluminum isn't just worked for hardening, it's heat treated. You can drill through treated aluminum again and again with a good drill bit, though. I did a project with 2024-T3 and as long as I cooled the bit it would last ridiculously long.
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> Aluminum isn't just worked for hardening, it's heat treated.
Were talking about thin plate,
It is not strengthened by heat treatment; instead, it becomes stronger due to strain hardening or cold working of the material. [twmetals.com]
> you can drill through treated aluminum again and again with a good drill bit, though
Of course you CAN. Once you have hand drilled 10,000 rivet holes with a 1/8" drill bit, only then will you understand what this guy's job is like and how wrong your statements are for this application
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Were talking about thin plate,
It is not strengthened by heat treatment; instead, it becomes stronger due to strain hardening or cold working of the material.
Plate and sheet both are regularly tempered. I don't know what grade of Aluminum this hole was in, do you?
Of course you CAN. Once you have hand drilled 10,000 rivet holes with a 1/8" drill bit, only then will you understand what this guy's job is like
Well, I've drilled hundreds of rivet holes with a 5/32" drill bit, so I have a pretty good idea. If you go through fast enough to rapidly damage the bit you'll wind up with shavings in between the layers and they won't be pulled close with the rivet at all. If you go slowly, and cool the bit between uses, it will last hilariously long.
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This is a space vehicle. If you cannot afford to replace drill-bits before they go bad, we have mistake 5 in addition, gross mismanagement of funds.
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This is a space vehicle. If you cannot afford to replace drill-bits before they go bad, we have mistake 5 in addition, gross mismanagement of funds.
I wonder how many holes you'd have to drill before you could justify a sharpener. Since it would have to be a high-tech space sharpener to avoid throwing metal dust everywhere, probably a whole hell of a lot.
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As usual, if you know what you are doing, there is no problem at all. The tool is not the problem.
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Indeed the problem isn't the hole. The problem is the way the issue was handled. Someone made a mistake drilling a faulty hole. Ok. Now the next step should have been to report this and result in the part being replaced with a known good one. Case closed. What did happen was that the person tried to hush it up. The problem here is not the person trying to cover his mistake up but the fact that he feels it's necessary or even that it's a good idea. And that's not the fault of the person that drilled this hol
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Probably a management issue or corporate culture, yes.
Re: Let's be real (Score:3)
And that's not the fault of the person that drilled this hole but a flaw in the way this company handles such human error.
That's a pretty big assumption. I work in a place where making a 6-figure mistake will result in, at worst, a written reprimand, and most of the time not even that much. The entire culture is built around accountability and owning up to your mistakes. Yet we still occasionally get idiots trying to cover up mistakes instead of admitting to it and handling it properly.
Some people just hate admitting that they fucked up.
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Would not surprise me at all if that is what happened here.
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Why do you think I left development and entered security testing?
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Here is news for you: They are _everywhere_ !
Traditions (Score:3, Funny)
Traditional Russian acts of courage and character: 1. Topple a Tatar on a horse before he burns Moscow, without any weapons. 2. Wrestle with a tiger, shirtless 3. Caviar and vodka 4. Travel to space with a holey space craft.
Re:Traditions (Score:5, Funny)
Old joke: Wealthy merchant tells man he can marry his daughter if he manages to do 3 things:
1. Drink a full bottle of vodka
2. Wrestle a bear to the ground
3. Fuck his grandma
He downs the bottle, heads into the bear den and after half an hour of screams and battle sounds, he emerges with scratches all over, yelling "Ok, where's the hag I have to fight with?"
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/. is the only place I know where you can tell a silly joke and people will start analyzing and overthinking it...
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/. is the only place I know where you can tell a silly joke and people will start analyzing and overthinking it...
That proves it; slashdot is the only place you know!
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Nah, the other places I frequent either people laugh about it, say it's nasty/boring or (this is the majority) roll their eyes and tell me to stop telling unfunny, old jokes.
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Septic is what is going to happen if he doesn't treat his wounds by pouring vodka over them.
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Travel to space with a holey space craft.
So that's what it was about... [alamy.com] He added an extra character by mistake?
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I thought it was wrestle with caviar and vodka...shirtless.
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Yep, all them people around Trump and himself benefiting from Russian money...nope, nothing to see here, move on.
Dmitry still doesn't get it. Rogozin is at fault (Score:5, Insightful)
"Dmitry Rogozin, head of the Russian space agency Roscosmos, told RIA Novost "We want to find out the full name of who is at fault -- and we will."
Facepalm! Dmitry Rogozin is at fault, you nitwit.
The problem is that the workers were afraid to admit a mistake and get it fixed - to the point that they'd rather jeopardize the mission by hiding the mistake than acknowledge an error. So this jackass responds with "we will find out the full name of the person [and then ...]". That attitude IS the problem, dummy. To fix the problem, your statement would need to be "we want to find out why workers are afraid to acknowledge errors and fix the organizational culture so that errors can be acknowledged and fixed properly, rather than hidden."
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Soviet indoctrination. The system is flawless. The problem is the human in the system. We need to eliminate the problem.
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Soviet indoctrination. The system is flawless. The problem is the human in the system. We need to eliminate the problem.
The beatings will continue until morale improves
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And how old do you think the heads of the space program are? Unless they're 35 or younger, they were indoctrinated by that very system.
Re:Dmitry still doesn't get it. Rogozin is at faul (Score:4, Insightful)
The Soviet Union hasn't existed for nearly 30 years now, dude.
It's back. With communism replaced by fascism, but these two are so similar it's window dressing.
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You might want to read up on the history [wikipedia.org] of skinheads. Especially some of the older skins might be a trifle miffed if you lump them in with the far right.
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Really? And just where did Putin and his cronies come from?
Re: Dmitry still doesn't get it. Rogozin is at fau (Score:2)
Re:Dmitry still doesn't get it. Rogozin is at faul (Score:5, Interesting)
As a Finn with a couple Russian friends who've left their country because of 'organisational culture' let me give you some perspective. This is Putin's ' Novorossiya' where transparency is nonexistent and those who fail to satisfy the powers that be are thrown into jail in the best case, get into mysterious accidents or commit 'suicides' [informnapalm.org] in the worst case. The space program is a key component in the cold war (which never really ended, it's just changed its nature to be less about armed conflict and more about information warfare) propaganda just as it was in the past, and as such it is of great importance to Kremlin. Whoever made the mistake is not afraid of getting fired, because getting fired is the least of your concerns in this situation. If I were him, I'd already be on my way out of the country and never drink any tea [wikipedia.org] I haven't prepared myself..
The problem is not the the organisational culture of Roscosmos, the problem is the organisational culture of the entire State Meet the new boss, same as the old boss:
"Enemies are right in front of you, you are at war with them, then you make an armistice with them, and all is clear. A traitor must be destroyed, crushed."
-Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin in 2001, speaking to journalist Aleksei Venediktov, to whom he added “You know, Aleksei, you are not a traitor. You are an enemy.” (source: David Remnick, “Echo in the Dark,” [newyorker.com] in The New Yorker, September 22, 2008)
This is why seeing Trump act like Vlad's obedient little lapdog earlier in the summer here in Helsinki was one of the most absurd things I have ever witnessed in my life. Had you told me ten years ago that you're from the future where the fucking president of the US of A bows down to kiss the ring of Putin and call the European Union a foe, I'd have told you to go get your head checked. Yet here we are. My grandfather who's in his 80s said to me after the press conference that he thinks the Russians are winning, because 'one of the guys is a former KGB agent, and the other is a clueless goof.' Although grandpa is no political scientist, I have a hard time disagreeing with him here.
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It was Victoria Nuland, former Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the United States Department of State, who said "fuck the EU." [youtu.be] She was nominated by Obama. You remember Obama, the same man who bugged Merkel's phone? The US regarding EU as a foe didn't start with Trump.
Who can blame Obama for his views? What do you call people who rip you off on trade to the tune of $150 billion every year? The EU is a security free-rider that exploits American generosity to run a massi
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So you contrast a phone call on Youtube that I cannot even in any way verify to be from the actual people you claim it to be from, to the sitting president of the US openly calling the European Union an enemy. How the hell does that make any sense? The Union and the US have had their disagreements in the past as w
Re:Dmitry still doesn't get it. Rogozin is at faul (Score:5, Interesting)
Defense from who? NATO destroyed Libya, and some of it's member nations were behind the destructions of Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. It's the rest of the world that needs defense from the United States and its poodles, [ft.com] not the other way around.
Re:Dmitry still doesn't get it. Rogozin is at faul (Score:5, Informative)
I call them "trade partners". I also call people who regard a trade deficit as "ripping off" "abyssmally ignorant of the basic facts of economics." A trade deficit is when a country sends us more good then we send them--for which they take dollars that *we print*. This is bad?
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But Whatabout Obama?
Yo, cluestick, your MAGA hat is crooked.
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So, your genius solution is to start a war with a nuclear power. What a great idea that will totally not end horribly.
I love your idea of the "EU armies". If they existed, that might be a good idea.
You're aware the "Free Syria" rebels are head-chopping Islamists? Al-Nusra? You certainly are getting a bizarre, filtered form of news if you don't know this. To anyone else reading, a quick video: https://youtu.be/y1oEoCRkLRI?t... [youtu.be]
Re:Dmitry still doesn't get it. Rogozin is at faul (Score:4, Insightful)
Ahahahah... You know Ivan, your propaganda shitposting would be far more effective if your Finnish didn't sound like it came from a 40s black and white movie (no-one in modern Finnish uses the words 'sinjoore' or 'madame' for example) and riddled with typos (you're missing almost every single ä and ö there, and ryssä is written with a y and not a ü which is not even used in the entire language at all you dimwit).
But ladies and gentlemen of Slashdot: if you had any doubts prior to this point that the Russian trollboys are patrolling this site actively, I give you exhibit A: a dude writing about the Clintons in archaic and misspelled Finnish that clearly does not come through Google translate to try and pass as a native..I mean, A for effort, F for execution man.
These guys reply to me as ACs almost every single time I mention Putin in any way here, it's almost kinda endearing, like having a sort of pet. You know Ivan, I don't blame you. Work is hard to find in the current shit economy of Russia, and at least you get an indoors work-environment, hopefully decent pay and bonus points for being an obedient little trooper in the Motherlands fight against 'The West. If you ever end up in here, we can go and have a cup of coffee or tea, and don't worry, I'll bring my own Geiger counter. ;)
Until we meet again, comrade!
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SlashDot is an international forum. Please speak English.
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It's so sad/funny to know that the top comment describing the one and only right thing to do will just remain here, hidden in the comments section.
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Re:Dmitry still doesn't get it. Rogozin is at faul (Score:5, Insightful)
Which one do you think is better:
1. Ensure zero mistakes are made, by punishing people who make mistakes, and by other means, or
2. Create a culture where mistakes that are made are correctly reported and dealt with?
Hint: The first one is not possible, because perfection is impossible.
The mistakes should of course be minimized, and intentional incorrect actions, like sabotage, should of course be punished. Of course, you can argue that not reporting a mistake is an intentional incorrect action, but this could be avoided by choosing wisely how mistakes are dealt with. So paradoxally, trying to push for zero mistakes by punishment, you're actually 1) not necessarily reducing mistakes, and 2) additionally causing intentional incorrect actions, thus making the situation worse. If you're a manager, I hope you take some time to consider this.
Re: Dmitry still doesn't get it. Rogozin is at fau (Score:2)
No lives were jeapordized by the tiny hole, you drama queen. The ISS can have bigger holes from micrometeors and they would be repaired too.
Re:Dmitry still doesn't get it. Rogozin is at faul (Score:4, Insightful)
People make mistakes all the time. The only person who makes no mistakes is a person who does nothing.
So if you punish mistakes, the solution people will come up with is to do nothing. Which will make finishing a project also completely impossible.
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I can't completely agree with this. While mistakes can/will/do happen, there are different degrees of mistakes, and you can't call them all equal. They range from "that outcome was essentially completely impossible to have foreseen or predicted" to "gross negligence". At one end you have "freak accident" and at the other end you have "incompetence".
I agree that people should not be fired for (or fear bei
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Mistakes by themselves shouldn't be punished. They are the consequence of something, and that something should be dealt with.
It may involve punishing the employee, for example if the employee refused to follow a procedure, he may be punished for that, but not for the mistake itself. And even in that case, one should investigate why the procedure wasn't followed. Maybe it is simply impossible to follow, or that it is too time consuming for the stated goals.
Or it can be that the employee simply does the job p
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That people who make mistakes are not punished?
No people definitely should be punished. They should be punished by going through additional training. They should be punished by sitting in Continuous Improvement Forums. They should be punished by participating in Root Cause of Failure Analysis workshops. They should be punished by being part of creating a process where their perfectly human mistakes are identified and rectified without escallation.
People who make mistakes should accept to be punished, and if they can't accept that, meaning if they try to hide their mistakes, they should be punished even more.
Your post is a mistake. Your throught process is a mistake. Since you're on the other end of the internet I
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This is simply evidence of the incompetence of the Russian state itself. Roskosmos was re-nationalized in 2016, after experiencing quality control problems so severe they led to launch failures. This extends beyond Rogozin as director since he was deputy under Popovkin who also had problems with launches. The problem is the structure of Russian culture, far beyond this incident being caused by just issue of management philosophy. Putin's culture [stthomas.edu] is one of death, murder, and widespread terrorism directly conducted by Putin himself against the idea of human rights, and against Russia as enemy #1 with the rest of the world as enemy #2. Certainly the claims of sabotage will lead to Russia blaming every other country involved with the ISS.
Notice that this failure was really due to Putin's culture of terrorism in Russia. His culture means it will be blamed on someone who will die, and then used against the ISS contributors in general.
Re:Dmitry still doesn't get it. Rogozin is at faul (Score:5, Interesting)
You know how Russia ended up with Putin? Remember Yeltsin? Remember how we interfered with the 1996 Russian election and altered the result? [i.redd.it] Yeltsin was in the single digits before the Americans got involved.
You know what happened next? The US financial "experts" pushed Yeltsin to introduce neo-liberal shock therapy economics to the new Russian Federation. Ended up crashing the economy and leaving more in poverty then ever before. The number of people living in poverty in the former Soviet Republics rose from 14 million in 1989 to 147 million in 1998. As a result of the 1998 financial collapse and the devaluation of the ruble, the life savings of tens of millions of Russian families disappeared overnight. In the period from 1992 to 1998 Russia's GDP fell by half - something that did not happen even under during the German invasion in the Second World War.
Under Yeltsin's tenure, the death rate in Russia reached wartime levels. Accidents, food poisoning, exposure, heart attacks, lack of access to basic healthcare, and an epidemic of suicides - they all played a role. David Satter, a senior fellow at the anti-communist, Washington DC-based Hudson Institute, writing in the conservative Wall Street Journal, described the consequences of this victory of Democracy: "Western and Russian demographers now agree that between 1992 and 2000, the number of 'surplus deaths' in Russia - deaths that cannot be explained on the basis of previous trends - was between five and six million persons."
This secured Putin as a savior to Russians when he reversed it, and soured Russian public opinion to the US.
Re: Dmitry still doesn't get it. Rogozin is at fau (Score:2)
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Yep, the U.S. is responsible for Russia's problems. Putin is an enlightened civil servant and Russia would be a paradise were it not for the naughty U.S. casting a baleful eye in its direction.
In other news, down is up, Trump is smart, the law of gravity is merely a suggestion.
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By that line of reasoning, Al Queda operatives should go around making sarcastic comments that American's should "just get over it" on the subject of 911. American Exceptionalists are, and always have been, a million megatons of bullshit crammed into a five pound sack.
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Putin is an enlightened civil servant
Your logic processing unit is broken if you think that the parent somehow implied Putin would be good if it weren't for the USA.
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The parent was not in any way arguing in favor of Putin, and no one is denying he is an authoritarian despot. The argument they were making is that US meddling in Russian internal politics and their post-communist economy created the conditions that enabled his rise to power. And now that the situation is reversed with economic disruption causing widespread angst here, Putin is turning the tables on us and nudging our political system to empower an authoritarian despot of our own.
Fortunately our despot is
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Your comment would be equally true (which is to say, partially) and equally pointless if you swapped the USes for the Russias, and the Trumps for the Putins. The US and Russia are each (again, partially) responsible for the other's woes. That's what it's like being adversaries.
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Not arguing with what you have said I just would like you to remember that there were many countries in the same situation as Russia, going through the same transition as Russia, which did not end up this way (practically the whole eastern block).
Russia has so vast resources of almost everything (including know-how and highly educated people) that blaming US for its situation is little bit extreme.
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I've been a Slashdot commenter since this was a newfangled "weblog" called Chips & Bits. If you'd like to have an argument, you can try to refute what I said. Calling me a dirty foreigner and spewing whataboutism isn't an argument.
Putin is in power today because of the Western neoliberals who dynamited the Russian economy, caused mass deaths, and tampered in an election. More info: http://www.globalresearch.ca/u... [globalresearch.ca]
Re: Dmitry still doesn't get it. Rogozin is at fau (Score:2)
Hahaha, Russia's "economy" always was self-dynamiting. Always was a backwards fucked up country that couldn't get communism nor capitalism right. Don't blame others for your perpetual failings.
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He forced the oligarchs to pay taxes. It was that simple. Those who didn't pay taxes were sent directly to jail and their assets seized by the state, broken up, and sold at auction.
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This is simply evidence of the incompetence of the Russian state itself. Roskosmos was re-nationalized in 2016, after experiencing quality control problems so severe they led to launch failures. This extends beyond Rogozin as director since he was deputy under Popovkin who also had problems with launches. The problem is the structure of Russian culture, far beyond this incident being caused by just issue of management philosophy. Putin's culture [stthomas.edu] is one of death, murder, and widespread terrorism directly conducted by Putin himself against the idea of human rights, and against Russia as enemy #1 with the rest of the world as enemy #2. Certainly the claims of sabotage will lead to Russia blaming every other country involved with the ISS.
This is still the truth, no matter how many Russian paid trolls with mod points try to hide it from general viewing.
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Don't be so self important. Why would Russia give a shit what happens on Slashdot let alone pay someone to work up mod points and attempt to downvote when someone says something bad about them.
Not everyone who disagrees with something gains financially as a result.
*Disclosure: This post bought and paid for by the International Consoritum for Counteracting Dumb Posts on the Internet.
Re: Dmitry still doesn't get it. Rogozin is at fau (Score:2)
Sigh. You idiots don't seem to comprehend that hole is too tiny to be a serious problem. A person who wanted to make a serious problem would not have done that. The ISS will be fine.
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Why do you think this kind of behavior is specific to Russia? I've seen the same attitudes at American companies.
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Do you? Parent poster wasn't talking about any old engineering fuckup that could happen anywhere. He was going on and on and on about this being particular to Russian culture. So, what are the particular details that make this the case, and not anti-Russian hatorade. Point was easy enough to understand the first time - but it seems you were dropped on the head as a child.
Early and often.
We will find someone who is responsible. (Score:3)
"We want to find out the full name of who is at fault -- and we will."
Reminds me of the old joke of Putin allegedly saying "If we had search WMDs in Iraq, we would have found some!"
Like every good programmer knows, if you're searching for something, put one of the thing you search at the end of your dataset yourself so your program terminates correctly.
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will sure find some
When I first read the headline (Score:2)
DO NOT EVER REPAIR ALUMINUM BY WELDING (Score:2, Informative)
NO NO NO NO NO
It could NOT have been repaired on Earth by welding.
DO NOT EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES EVEN THINK about repairing stressed aluminum by welding. Once aluminum has been fatigued, welding only damages and weakens it further.
A spinning drill bit that ultimately caused a hole would have certainly yielded the aluminum in the immediate vicinity, and attempting to weld it only would have made it weaker.
YOU CANNOT FIX BROKEN ALUMINUM WITH WELDING..
For the love of Pete, are you trying to get someone ki
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Uh oh (Score:2)
Russians hacked the space station (Score:2)
n/t
Russia (Score:2, Insightful)
Their best engineers understand they have the worst manufacturing in the world. That's why everything they make is big, ugly, but it always works.
"Someone" With a Drill -- *Really*?? (Score:2)
And this is why Trump wants a space force -- Space Alien Terrorists. Or Astronaut Terrorists, same thing, just inside out. OR: an ISS Astronaut is actually an ALIEN -- that's even worse, They're Already Here [imdb.com].
First they travel here to get our technology, then our women, and then our water. We're in trouble!
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Even worse... it's ILLEGAL Space Alien Terrorists!
They should ban drills (Score:2)
Brings to mind joke about lowest price (Score:2)
Never attribute to malice... (Score:2)
Probably some worker ran a power tool into the lining and then either they or their superiors tried to patch it up paint over it to conceal the error.
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In a kiln?
Re: "after a commotion he was terminated" (Score:2)
Is being placed under the rocket vents the same thing as fired?
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"after a commotion he was terminated" Not sure if dysphemism for "fired", or ... "
Just a shoddy translation is my guess.
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"after a commotion he was terminated" Not sure if dysphemism for "fired", or ... "
Just a shoddy translation is my guess.
Spoilsport.
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A Russian ass whoopin'.
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The technician wasn't fired for the drilling, but because it was suppose to be shipped to the Americans, and he placed the wrong label on it.
Terminated or... (Score:2)
Not sure if dysphemism for "fired", or ...
In Russia that's not an entirely idle question. Most probably it just means fired from their job but not with 100% certainty. I can show you unambiguous examples of people literally ending up in rivers or "having a car crash" after causing problems for those in positions of power. After the recent sports doping scandals there are numerous people who ended up dead under circumstances that can only be described as suspicious at best. I'm not implying anything terrible happened or that Russia is a terribl
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Oh there was probably some firing involved. Small arms is my guess. Or the guy ran off and fell on a pile of bullets...
Re: "after a commotion he was terminated" (Score:5, Insightful)
In general this is quite true.
In jobs where perfections is demanded, problem occur, because people are afraid to report mistakes. Often these mistakes could had happened to anyone, but that one guy was the one who did it that day. However they will get fired for making that mistake without learning from it and will need to fire the next guy.
So being the problem isn't fixed, and you could get fired with one off action that lasted less then a second. If you messed up, you are not going to report the problem. you will probably just patch it up, and continue on.
I do a lot of Database work. Sometimes I mess up on my delete command. Now experience has taught me to have a plan for when I mess up. But I still mess up. And others that work with have done the same thing. Now I have some Jr developers on my team, they go into panic the first time that happens. Other then yelling at them, or giving them a hard time, I will work with them to recover as much data as possible and work on getting the data in place. After the experience they are less likely to make the same mistake, and they are better now knowing how to retrieve from backup and make preemptive backups beforehand.
Now if they keep on messing up and deleting the data after going via the process over again. Then I will get tough on them. Making a mistake is fine, making the same mistake over and over again isn't, especially if there are things you can do to stop it.
Re: "after a commotion he was terminated" (Score:5, Insightful)
> Now if they keep on messing up and deleting the data after going via the process over again. Then I will get tough on them. Making a mistake is fine, making the same mistake over and over again isn't
This is the correct way to do things. One of the things I do with a junior who makes a mistake is have them fix it with a bit of guidance, but with them doing the actual work. I find that approach helps people become more careful - they're less likely to carelessly screw something up if they've already gone through all the work it takes to fix it. One particular example springs to mind of a linux server in a QA environment - pre VM days - and a junior mistakenly chmodded everything recursively from / . We could have rebuilt the server and restored backups, but I thought it would be a better lesson to have them fix all the permissions by hand. It took said junior most of the day, but after that they became obsessive about triple and quadruple checking anything they were doing with elevated privileges and they never made that mistake ever again, or any other comparable mistake.
Re: "after a commotion he was terminated" (Score:5, Insightful)
Or he may had reported it, and his manager told him to patch it up. But being no paperwork when the problem happened, the fingers got pointed down until there was no one left to point too.
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He was fired for engendering lives of astronauts by damaging the capsule, not reporting it and covering his mistake by improperly "repairing" it.
The choice he had was:
- report: get punished, possibly fired, but maybe just losing bonus
- not report: possibly causing crew to die
In this case it is even worse, the guy just glued the hole (really?), the glue dried and fell off when docked.
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Engendering eh? I think that means pretty much the opposite of what you intended.
yes, should be "endangering" , sorry for my misspelling and thanks for pointing it out
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China !
Chinesium drill bit would never have made it through the aluminum.