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Chemists Discover How Blue Light Speeds Blindness 144

Isao writes: It (apparently) has been known that blue light damages eyes and accelerates macular degeneration. A new article on Phys.org may have identified how this happens. It seems that unlike other light colors, blue causes a necessary molecule (retinal) to permanently kill photoreceptor cells. "The researcher found that a molecule called alpha Tocopherol, a Vitamin E derivative and a natural antioxidant in the eye and body, stops the cells from dying," reports Phys.org. "However, as a person ages or the immune system is suppressed, people lose the ability to fight against the attack by retinal and blue light." The authors will continue their research and recommend filtering and blue-light reduction in the meantime. The study has been published in the journal Scientific Reports.
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Chemists Discover How Blue Light Speeds Blindness

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  • by jfdavis668 ( 1414919 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @09:17PM (#57099918)
    Ok, from now on I'm looking at the world through rose colored glasses. That should stop all that blue light business.
  • Light activatable G-protein coupled receptors (GPCRs), also known as opsins, harvest light through their covalently bound chromophore 11-cis retinal (11CR), an aldehyde derivative of vitamin A1,2.

    Thanks again, /. Covalently... a new word to insert in otherwise innocuous conversation to thwart my intelligent friends' belief that they might be my mental equal.

    • by ls671 ( 1122017 )

      As well, I am not sure what blue light means in this context. Does this mean that blue screens of death make you blind?

      • Not necessarily, though it does inure you to the possibility that the theoretical protection of the user interface is more important than individual satisfaction with its implementation.
      • Re:Excellent (Score:4, Interesting)

        by mikael ( 484 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @10:19PM (#57100082)

        Blue light in this context is just that - regular blue pixels on a computer screen. There are night-safe modes which tone down these pixels.

        Your retinas has around seven layers of rods, cones and processing neurons. Light is refracted through the lens so that infra-red light hits blood vessels, red light which has a longer wavelength and travels less deeper into the retina hits the upper layers. Blue light in this context is goes into the deepest layer of the retina because the wavelength is shorter and has more energy. UV light gets filtered out by the lens (but causes cataracts in the long term).

  • by BoogieChile ( 517082 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @09:28PM (#57099946)

    Back to the old amber CRT, then

    • by Anonymous Coward

      That one emits (some) x-rays which fry your retinas AND your brain in the long term...

  • Topic says it all. LED ones are especially blue-heavy (up to 80% of the overall output in saltwater reef tanks) and that's gotta cause some issues.

    • If blue light was really as bad as they make out then we'd all go blind from looking at a blue sky.

      Interestingly however, the human retina can see UV light but it's blocked by the lens. However when people had replcement lenses put due to cataracts they could now see this UV (as the artificial lens didn't block it) and THIS caused some serious problems.

      • by Khyber ( 864651 )

        "If blue light was really as bad as they make out then we'd all go blind from looking at a blue sky."

        Wrong wavelength dominance. 450nm and lower is the general issue. The sky has a rough dominant peak around 483nm.

      • 1) People don't generally spend a hell of a lot of time gazing upward
        2) Peak wavelength of the blue sky is closer to green, peaking at pretty much the exact wavelength our eyes are least efficient at reacting to within our range (weird, right?)
        3) The sky isn't bright. Observe a shadow sometime- that's the amount of diffuse scattered sunlight hitting you from the *entire* visible sky.
    • Nope, and nope.

      Coral can, and do, thrive on blue light. When light hits the water's surface, and as you get deeper, certain wavelengths are absorbed by the water... the first (and at quite a low depth, comparatively) is red, second yellow, and finally blue at, roughly, 300' deep. After that, only non-photosynthetic corals can exist. Most coral growers/aquarium enthusiasts enjoy the most-actinic wavelength, blue. Most LED lights, specifically for growing coral, have arrays of pure white, red, green, and blue

  • Light text on black (not 'dark' -- BLACK!). Black text on white is CRAZY, EDDIE!

  • by cyn1c77 ( 928549 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @10:01PM (#57100030)

    The blurb (and even the article) is jaded and implies that blue light causes blindness to ride the anti-screen wave.

    If you read it, you find that the issue is actually that the body makes alpha Tocopherol, a Vitamin E derivative, which keeps the photoreceptor cells from dying. Some people lose the ability to make that alpha Tocopherol as they age, leading to blindness.

    So the issue isn't to avoid blue light and buy crazy glasses... (how are you really going to avoid blue light if you ever want to see white again anyway? Are you going to stop looking at white paper?) Rather it's to find a way to keep supplying alpha Tocopherol to the eye as people age.

    • by Alsn ( 911813 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @10:13PM (#57100068)
      That's true. However it could also mean that in the meantime the people who suffer from the deficiency could use filter glasses to keep their sight until a permanent treatment is discovered. Assuming that their findings are correct and that blue light is the only culprit.
    • "Some people lose the ability to make that alpha Tocopherol as they age, leading to blindness."

      Did you just quit reading AND thinking there? Next bit clearly states that people with compromised immune systems or weakened ones from disease are also susceptible. Guess what a hospital is loaded with? Hint: Look all around one, and then look up.

      We also know (I've been fucking saying this for almost a decade, now, when I was doing global horticultural lighting design) that grow lighting is triggering macular degeneration in younger healthier population. This doesn't mean your mom and pop in their 50s+, this is happening as early as a persons 20s.

      • by iTrawl ( 4142459 )

        I've been fucking saying this for almost a decade, now

        Citation needed? Preferably in a scientific journal.

      • We also know (I've been fucking saying this for almost a decade, now, when I was doing global horticultural lighting design) that grow lighting is triggering macular degeneration in younger healthier population.

        Are you seriously trying to claim that all the 20 somethings that want to get "medical" marijuana are not making shit up and are actually suffering from macular degeneration? (people growing pot are almost the only people who would give a shit about grow lights in their 20s) Either cite reputable medical studies (note the plural) or I'm calling bullshit.

        • by Khyber ( 864651 )

          "Are you seriously trying to claim that all the 20 somethings that want to get "medical" marijuana are not making shit up and are actually suffering from macular degeneration?"

          You must fail hard at reading as I never once mentioned anything about marijuana. Perhaps you should put the joint down, yourself.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      The blurb (and even the article) is jaded and implies that blue light causes blindness to ride the anti-screen wave.

      You can say whatever you want, but the truth is BLUE LIGHT HURTS THE RETINA

      I did not know that before my retina was damaged (caused by an abrupt change of pressure due to deep sea diving)

      The retina of both my eyes were damaged - left eye gone completely dark - and after the many operations I regained only partial sight on my left eye

      Now, every time I go into a room with blue light shining both my eyes hurt

      It has nothing to do with alpha Tocopherol --- as I am still in my 20's and my body can still produce e

    • by Greyfox ( 87712 ) on Friday August 10, 2018 @12:23AM (#57100336) Homepage Journal
      DMSO Tocopherol eyedrops a couple times a week? I suppose someone'll have to do a study on exactly how safe DMSO would be for eyeballs over long periods of time.
    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      Are you going to stop looking at white paper?

      To an extent, your brain compensates for variations in ambient lighting. With reduced blue wavelengths, you will still perceive white paper as white. And reading is more dependent on contrast anyway. White paper vs black ink (or blue ink, which will look black) under red night vision lighting is still readable.

    • The blurb (and even the article) is jaded and implies that blue light causes blindness to ride the anti-screen wave.

      Objection: Speculation

      If you read it, you find that the issue is actually that the body makes alpha Tocopherol, a Vitamin E derivative, which keeps the photoreceptor cells from dying. Some people lose the ability to make that alpha Tocopherol as they age, leading to blindness.

      That's certainly part of the article.

      That wasn't even the notable part- the notable part was that blue-light activated retinol is shown to by highly cytotoxic, and that there is a known statistical trend between age and your ability to get Tocopherol to the places it needs to be, which strongly correlates with the kinds of macular degeneration that are also highly age-correlated.

      So the issue isn't to avoid blue light and buy crazy glasses... (how are you really going to avoid blue light if you ever want to see white again anyway? Are you going to stop looking at white paper?) Rather it's to find a way to keep supplying alpha Tocopherol to the eye as people age.

      You're actually inserting your own bias into the paper, and you're too stupid to see it.
      They make it quit

    • IIRC, the body does not synthesize alpha tocopherol, one of the 8 forms of vitamin E. Being essential to human health and the body not being able to synthesize it is part of what qualifies a substance for being a vitamin.

      Alpha tocopherol is available as a cheap supplement; if you buy vitamin E whose makeup is unspecified, it's going to be mostly alpha tocopherol.

      Gamma tocopherol helps the body recycle alpha tocopherol.

      Do your own research, this is from memory.

  • by ClarkMills ( 515300 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @10:02PM (#57100034)

    We're in an old villa and use "Warm white" bulbs as it looks odd not to architecturally. They are on the redder (actually cooler 3000K) end of the spectrum to emulate your classic tungsten filament lighting. Not the best for reading resistor bands but at least I'll have my eyesight a bit longer... And hey, maybe my wake/sleep cycles will be better than the "Daylight" (6500K, bluer) colour balanced bulbs that everyone is using now.

    • by Nethead ( 1563 ) <joe@nethead.com> on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:26PM (#57100234) Homepage Journal

      Nice to see that someone is still messing with resistors that have bands. You must like the old cruft like I do. My issue is the focus now. Many many years ago I was able to solder a 40 pin flat pack without glasses. Now I'm lucky to find the damn iron without technological assistance.

      • by labnet ( 457441 )

        I feel you brother.
        Used to be able solder 0603 resistors with my 5cm super eyes. Now my arms are getting to short!

        • Be glad you don't have astigmatism, or you'd find yourself in the position of being unable to see clearly without glasses (or eventually, without multifocal lenses) at ANY distance, near OR far.

          Ever since roughly age 40, I've felt like I need a binocular microscope to solder anything smaller than 100-mil pitch... and depending on the part & lighting, even 100-mil has left me feeling like I'm "soldering blind" half the time. I've gotten to where I need a magnifying glass just to tell the difference betwe

    • >"We're in an old villa and use "Warm white" bulbs as it looks odd not to architecturally. They are on the redder (actually cooler 3000K) end of the spectrum to emulate your classic tungsten filament lighting. "

      Warm/soft white is more like 2700K, which is traditional tungsten lighting. Bright white is around 3000K, cool white around 4100K, day light is around 5000K. I will admit to still buying and using mostly warm white and a bit of bright white in my house, with nothing colder. I can't seem to get

      • I love my tuneable white bulbs. have set up a script to match daylight during day and the old fashioned tungsten in the evenings.

    • And hey, maybe my wake/sleep cycles will be better than the "Daylight" (6500K, bluer) colour balanced bulbs that everyone is using now.

      If you really want to help your wake sleep cycle- you would have the 6500k bulbs where you spend your mornings (if indoors) and the lower K, yellower bulbs in your bedroom, and where you spend your evenings. If you use the same bulbs 24/7 you're not really having much impact on your wake/sleep cycle.

  • by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @10:56PM (#57100156) Homepage Journal

    Time to throw away all this 4K HDR LCD garbage and go back to good old monochrome.

    P.S. - Does anyone know how I can hook up a Hercules ISA card to PCIe?

    • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:15PM (#57100204) Homepage Journal

      P.S. - Does anyone know how I can hook up a Hercules ISA card to PCIe?

      No need, you can hook it up to USB [arstech.com]. It would be easier, though, to get a display card with a VGA output and fix the cable to omit the blue line. You'd still get colors, just not as many, and none of them would be at all blue.

      • That USB adapter hack is pretty crazy. The way backlights work some amount of blue light makes it through, but maybe it isn't enough to matter.

        There are screen filters in common use that block blue light, as people have considered it to contribute to eye strain and fatigue for many years. It doesn't totally filter blue light, but it attenuates it significantly.

        • Well, I'd propose you do use a CRT, just not a monochrome one. It's getting harder to find good cheap used ones, though, and I've gotten rid of all of mine because they take up too much space... Gonna have to live with some leakage.

  • for all those bluelight specials...
  • Will this finally put an end to all-white web pages, hopefully? And give us a less eye-straining Internet.

  • Millions of old people will run around with orange tinted glasses in 5, 4, 3, ...

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Millions of old people will run around with orange tinted glasses in 5, 4, 3, ...

      Well, by some measures I'm an old people.

      But I've been using orange tinted glasses as my go-to outdoors eyewear for about 20 years now.

      They block the blue light (plus all of the UV), they improve colour contrast -- with them you can see a red flower in the middle of a green field whereas without them you can't, and they also improve vision in lower light as well as on cloudy days.

      I exclusively wear orange tinted lenses during t

  • New Yorkers must have known this for a very long time ... they never look UP towards the sky, thus avoiding all of that dangerous blue coming from the sky outside.
  • It (apparently) has been known that ...

    Is this the Reese's Pieces of weasel words?

    In addition to the grand (quibble) passive voice, the whole question of "since when has it (apparently) been known?" was stuffed into a long, cold drawer and is presently awaiting identification from dental records.

  • but the Blue Screen of Blindness?

    Hey, maybe that starts in the mind, which explains the Zombie Apocalypse of Mobile Addiction....

  • Your mum told you long ago watching blue movies will make you blind. Well, now you know why.

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