Is Cockroach Milk the Ultimate Superfood? (globalnews.ca) 254
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Global News: It may not be everyone's cup of milk, but for years now, some researchers believe insect milk, like cockroach milk, could be the next big dairy alternative. A report in 2016 found Pacific Beetle cockroaches specifically created nutrient-filled milk crystals that could also benefit humans, the Hindustan Times reports. Others report producing cockroach milk isn't easy, either -- it takes 1,000 cockroaches to make 100 grams of milk, Inverse reports, and other options could include a cockroach milk pill. And although it has been two years since the study, some people are still hopeful. Insect milk, or entomilk, is already being used and consumed by Cape Town-based company Gourmet Grubb, IOL reports.
Jarrod Goldin, [president of Entomo Farms which launched in 2014], got interested in the insect market after the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nation in 2013 announced people around the world were consuming more than 1,900 insects. As his brothers were already farming insects for fishing and reptile use, Goldin thought it would be a smart business opportunity to focus on food. Goldin adds studies have shown cricket powder can be a high source of protein and B12. The PC version his company produces has 13 grams of protein per every 2 1/2 tbsps. Toronto-based registered dietitian Andy De Santis says for protein alternatives, insects are definitely in the playing field. According to ScienceAlert, Diploptera punctate is the only known cockroach to give birth to live young and has been shown to pump out a type of "milk" containing protein crystals to feed its babies. "The fact that an insect produces milk is pretty fascinating -- but what fascinated researchers is the fact that a single one of these protein crystals contains more than three times the amount of energy found in an equivalent amount of buffalo milk (which is also higher in calories than regular cow's milk)."
Researchers are now working to replicate the crystals in the lab. They are working with yeast to produce the crystal in much larger quantities -- "making it slightly more efficient than extracting crystals from cockroach's guts," reports ScienceAlert.
Jarrod Goldin, [president of Entomo Farms which launched in 2014], got interested in the insect market after the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nation in 2013 announced people around the world were consuming more than 1,900 insects. As his brothers were already farming insects for fishing and reptile use, Goldin thought it would be a smart business opportunity to focus on food. Goldin adds studies have shown cricket powder can be a high source of protein and B12. The PC version his company produces has 13 grams of protein per every 2 1/2 tbsps. Toronto-based registered dietitian Andy De Santis says for protein alternatives, insects are definitely in the playing field. According to ScienceAlert, Diploptera punctate is the only known cockroach to give birth to live young and has been shown to pump out a type of "milk" containing protein crystals to feed its babies. "The fact that an insect produces milk is pretty fascinating -- but what fascinated researchers is the fact that a single one of these protein crystals contains more than three times the amount of energy found in an equivalent amount of buffalo milk (which is also higher in calories than regular cow's milk)."
Researchers are now working to replicate the crystals in the lab. They are working with yeast to produce the crystal in much larger quantities -- "making it slightly more efficient than extracting crystals from cockroach's guts," reports ScienceAlert.
Betteridge Law: No (Score:2)
Also, this has a massive freaking stigma to overcome.
Re:Betteridge Law: No (Score:4, Insightful)
Also, this has a massive freaking stigma to overcome.
Perhaps in America, but in many other countries insects are commonly eaten. Eating a grub is no different than eating a shrimp.
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Or crab or lobster. They are just insects of the sea.
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They're crustaceans not insects. Eating woodlice and pill bugs would be the same since they're crustaceans.
Re: Betteridge Law: No (Score:3)
"Many other countries" being, like, 5.
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Also, this has a massive freaking stigma to overcome.
Perhaps in America, but in many other countries insects are commonly eaten. Eating a grub is no different than eating a shrimp.
So does the grub have the consistency of the lobster or shrimp? I've accidentally stepped on a few, and the results look like Elmer's glue. Except for the one's who's goo looks green.
The innards of a shrimp or lobster are muscle and look like white meat and eat like meat. The nice part is we can trim out the fecal matter. I know, some cultures eat fecal matter.(Bedouins) I'll avoid cultural appropriation in this instance.
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Also, this has a massive freaking stigma to overcome.
Insects are starvation food. Show someone a hundred pound box of cockroaches, a box of corn and wheat and bread, and a box of steaks, and see how many say "Yummie! Gimme that box of tasty cockroach goodness!"
As well, in a world where it is fashionable to claim gluten allergies we all need to talk about Chitin allergies.
Exactly why there is a push to get people to eat starvation food is a mystery
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Exactly why there is a push to get people to eat starvation food is a mystery
I think it's primarily driven by landlords. You don't have a cockroach problem. It's a gastronomic opportunity.
Milk not Milk. (Score:2)
Milk in this context does NOT mean what you think it does.
They are not talking about something for your decafe latte
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At first glance it looked like you had written "defecate latte" -- which may not actually be that far off the mark if you use this "milk" with civet cat coffee to make a latte.
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Milk in this context does NOT mean what you think it does.
They are not talking about something for your decafe latte
Remember: People have been harvesting "jelly" from bees for ages now.
(And selling it at a large markup, despite it doing absolutely nothing)
Not milk (Score:2)
Milk in this context does NOT mean what you think it does.
Unless they are talking about secretions from the mammary gland of a mammal then they are not talking about milk so I don't know where you are going with this argument.
They are not talking about something for your decafe latte
No shit...
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Milk in this context does NOT mean what you think it does.
They are not talking about something for your decafe latte
Unless you get your coffee from McDonalds... and then it is what they're talking about.
Re:Betteridge Law: No (Score:5, Insightful)
I just don't see the point here. There's already a bunch of plant-based alternatives that don't involved roaches (rice, soy, almond, quinoa, coconut, ect.).
The point is this: There's no such thing as a superfood. It's 100% pure unadulterated marketing wank made up by scammers as a way to extract money from holistic idiots.
Somebody out there is hoping "Cockroach milk" is the new "Royal Jelly". That's all this is.
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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The point is this: There's no such thing as a superfood.
This statement alone should have this post cruising at +5.
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The point is this: There's no such thing as a superfood. It's 100% pure unadulterated marketing wank made up by scammers as a way to extract money from holistic idiots.
Also worth mentioning that people who go on "superfood only" diets end up malnourished, given the marketing departments and "feel good" health food websites/magazines neglected to include a complete micronutrient balance in everything they labeled as a superfood. Even if they did, don't bother with them anyways. Sure, they may be nutrient dense in some areas, but after your body gets what it needs, then the extra amount doesn't matter, and can even be harmful, for example you can destroy your liver if you o
Re: Betteridge Law: No (Score:2)
I just don't see the point here.
Some desperate assholes were unable to think of a good idea and decided that any idea is better than no idea.
Re:Betteridge Law: No (Score:5, Funny)
How many cockroaches are needed for a grande latte?
One dustpan's worth.
Re: Betteridge Law: No (Score:5, Informative)
Bugs are only eaten in cultures which have no other dietary options.
I am not so sure about that. I have mostly seen insects eaten as a delicacy or a special treat. Like honeypot ants for dessert, or a bowl of delicious fried crickets as an after dinner snack.
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I am not so sure about that. I have mostly seen insects eaten as a delicacy or a special treat. Like honeypot ants for dessert, or a bowl of delicious fried crickets as an after dinner snack.
It's a lot cheaper to raise chickens on compost than it is to pay people to forage for insects, so the ones that can be easily farmed aside, insects can even be expensive. Grasshoppers, crickets, and some but not all kinds of worms can be easily raised (also on compost) so some insects are probably plenty cheap. You can literally raise crickets by throwing some crickets and some compost into a barrel and putting a screen over it.
Re: Betteridge Law: No (Score:2)
I have mostly seen insects eaten as a delicacy or a special treat.
Disgusting shit often evolves from being something you'd only eat if you were starving to being a culinary fad.
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You are a fucking chink. you steal, lie, cheat, steal ideas, steal intellectual property
Today's new cold war is between a country that really, really wants to build stuff and a country that wants to assert intellectual property rights even over inventions it will not exploit, and have those rights extended until the heat death of the universe.
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The stigma is there for good reason. Bugs are only eaten in cultures which have no other dietary options.
Nope. Most people eat them because they like them.
They're certainly crunchier, tastier and a lot healthier than those Cheetos you're busy stuffing right now.
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The stigma is there for good reason. Bugs are only eaten in cultures which have no other dietary options.
Nope. Most people eat them because they like them.
They're certainly crunchier, tastier and a lot healthier than those Cheetos you're busy stuffing right now.
And some people drink their own urine and eat their own feces. Forgive me if i don't find that very appetizing as well as eating insects.
Coming over for the human placenta festival? This year we're enjoying it raw, so as to not destroy the superfood aspects of this wonderful food. People who eat placenta eat it because they really like it.
Re: Betteridge Law: No (Score:2)
Forgive me if i don't find that very appetizing
A hell of a Viking you'd make...
Re: Betteridge Law: No (Score:5, Interesting)
Look at the way hamburger 'meat' in America contains on average 5 to 7% beef ONLY nowadays, depending on brand.
Nonsense. Unless you're buying your meat from the rebels living in the sewers of San Angeles, this isn't even remotely true.
You don't need superfoods. (Score:5, Insightful)
According to every metastudy I've ever seen on the subject, while nutrition is important - as long as you're getting a minimum of basic staple foods, and not too much of some things - then you're generally at optimal diet.
Bodies cope with what they get, as long as they start off healthy. Get some organ damage, and yeah - low sodium diet becomes important. The body just gets stupid when it gets too much and runs out of place for something, like fat soluble vitamins or metals, and for some folks, sugars.
"Super foods" are a nice concept - but they almost never have a payoff worth the cost. The closest to a decent return are the simpler ones - oats, veggies, fruits, berries (take your pick) - but the fashionable over-specific ones tend to be single-study hype train events. Other effects end up largely negligible when looked into - for instance diet-based anti-oxidents don't tend to translate to preventing cell damage to a very large extent, other than taking the place of other foods.
Seeking general happiness and quality of life are "healthier" than trying to pick the perfect food.
But, I suppose if eating cockroach extract makes you happy - then cool for you. Just... mention what it is to folks BEFORE you offer it to anyone. And don't don't be terribly offended if people roll their eyes or just walk away when you explain that it is "cruelty free cockroach milk."
Ryan Fenton
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Indeed. I would go so far that the whole idea of a "superfood" is a marketing construct that does not make much sense and is actually pretty stupid.
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I hate roaches. They might convince me if the roach milk isn't "cruelty free".
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I don't think it's about nutrition, but about efficiency and sustainability. If we can get better nutrition into a package that is cheaper to produce or better for the environment, then there's a market for it.
Not having to care for cows, removing greenhouse gasses caused by cows, ability to create this milk in more varied environments leading to shorter transport routes, being more nutrition dense allowing fewer transports all together... there's a lot of potential to be explored.
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Love the opening line (Score:2)
It may not be everyone's cup of milk
Is it ANYONE'S cup of milk?
And how the heck do you milk a cockroach?
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now find them..
Seriously.... (Score:3)
Dudes, I mean,,, it's a COCKROACH!!!
They must be in serious need of some pork rinds for munchies.
Re: Seriously.... (Score:5, Interesting)
By the way pork tastes gross, eat beef instead.
If you think bacon tastes gross your biology has horribly failed you.
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Bacon is delicious. You just can't get any in America. You guys eat the crap we cut off and feed to the dog. https://www.resetera.com/threa... [resetera.com] :-)
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Not necessarily. What tastes good is often in the brain. All it would take would be a bad association. For instance my wife can't process super fatty foods so if she even tastes it, she gets queasy because she knows if she ate it she would feel sick for a few hours.
Similar to how i cant drink wisers whiskey ever again because even the smell of it makes me gag due to one or two really bad nights with it when i was a teen. All other whiskeys are fine.
Trying to figure out the point (Score:5, Interesting)
So, we have a "food" produced by insects that humans have not consumed until now. Since humans have never eaten it before, it may or may not be fully suitable for human needs. It does, however, have a high concentration of some specific nutrients that humans need.
But actually harvesting the food from insects is difficult so they want to engineer yeast to produce it.
So, if you need to create an artificial "bio factory" to create the substance, why not skip the cockroach step and engineer the yeast to produce a substance that either we know is useful for humans because humans already eat it, or a substance designed to be useful to humans?
Or is genetic engineering just not that sophisticated yet and the best we can do is cut and paste a DNA sequence from cockroaches and hope it does it the same thing in yeast?
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Because such a direct route to an outcome doesnt extract the maximum amount of research funds?
That is usually the reason behind such things.
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Or is genetic engineering just not that sophisticated yet and the best we can do is cut and paste a DNA sequence from cockroaches and hope it does it the same thing in yeast?
This. We're about as close to understanding the language of DNA as we are to communicating with penguins.
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So, if you need to create an artificial "bio factory" to create the substance, why not skip the cockroach step and engineer the yeast to produce a substance that either we know is useful for humans because humans already eat it, or a substance designed to be useful to humans?
Because a "superfood" is a variant of a normal food which has a few percent boost in some identifiable (marketable) nutrient, but which has zero proven efficacy. So if something costs about the same to produce as something else you eat, and can be labelled a "superfood", then it's worth creating a product because you can charge 100% more for it. But if it costs 100% more to produce, you have no product.
While we have some products which use yeasts in their manufacture (mostly bread and alcohol), we have ve
The labour costs would be daunting (Score:5, Funny)
Can you imagine trying to get between their back legs to milk them? And for sure you'd keep losing the bucket.
Normal is as normal does (Score:3)
Last few times I was in Asia I noted more and more street stalls selling bugs prepared various different ways. I am sure it is healthy but I am a long way from trying it.
If I were introducing such a product for state-side consumption I wouldn't present the whole animal like they do. It would have to be processed some way so as to emulate either a protein shake or maybe a cracker sandwich.
Given the economics I wouldn't be surprised to see such things here in the not too distant future.
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There was a classic Judge Dredd comic (2000AD) where they did exactly that :)
New engineering opportunity! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:New engineering opportunity! (Score:5, Funny)
Heading to the patent office to get a jump on the itsy-bitsy teeny-weenie mellow cockroach milk machiney
FTFY.
Superfood? (Score:5, Insightful)
On the udder hand (Score:5, Funny)
Well, at least this article got me thinking about cockroach tiddies, which is a first.
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Is cockroach milk a superfood? (Score:2)
Who cares?
I Want to be Synthesized (Score:2)
If these milk crystals can be synthesized, then I could see them used in protein bars or something, otherwise it sounds like harvesting them would be too expensive. Also, anyone remember how ~15 years ago, the hype was that Ostrich meat was going to be the next big thing that everyone would eat breakfast, lunch, AND dinner? I tried an ostrich burger and it was ok, but then I never heard about/saw them since.
Say what you will about veganism.. (Score:5, Interesting)
...but let's be reasonable: are there really very many people who would rather drink cockroach milk over milk made from soy, rice, almonds, cashews, etc..?
Same with all these new insect 'energy bars' I'm finding. The idea is sustainability. Which I'm all for. But again: are there really a lot of people who'd rather eat insects than plants? Is this just a gimmick/fad, or is there a burgeoning population dying to eat this stuff?
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But again: are there really a lot of people who'd rather eat insects than plants?
Yes. They are all over asia, and central/south america.
If you wanted the answer [iflscience.com] you would have done some research. You just wanted to seem clever, right? You'll get 'em next time, tiger! Maybe you should consider changing your diet, I don't think it's working for your brain. Or maybe it's CO poisoning, from all that time exercising in traffic?
i can already imagine the name (Score:2, Funny)
... cockmilk?
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Bravo!
Soooo wroooonggg (Score:5, Funny)
List of objections:
1. No
2. Cockroaches don't have babies
3. No
4. Cows a kind of cute and make great jackets
5. No
6. Cockroaches are gross
7. No No No NO
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Disney what have you done to me? (Score:2)
Butter bugs ? (Score:2)
Reminds me strongly of the butter bugs from Vorkosigan saga. The ick factor was also quite high until they genetically redesigned the insects to look less like cockroaches. Truth in fiction ?
Breeding cockroaches (Score:2)
Now we just need a way to breed or engineer cockroaches into a practical size for milking. Maybe a healthy dose of radiation will do:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Just make sure not to overdo the radiation part...
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Now we just need a way to breed or engineer cockroaches into a practical size for milking. Maybe a healthy dose of radiation will do:
Just make sure not to overdo the radiation part...
Indeed.
Or brush up on your knowledge of Proust [wikipedia.org].
That's The Trouble with Cockroaches...
Are we running out of normal food now? (Score:2)
What's the point of this shit? Obesity is a larger problem than starvation these days. Africa has come a long way since those perpetually viral pictures of starving kids were taken, 30 to 40 years ago.
Emergency supply (Score:3)
It's not milk unless it came out of a mammal (Score:2)
It may not be everyone's cup of milk, but for years now, some researchers believe insect milk, like cockroach milk
Any substance that did not come from the mammary gland of a mammal is by definition not milk [wikipedia.org]. If it is derived from plants or nuts it is JUICE. This includes soy "milk", almond "milk" and all the other forms of juice that asshat marketing people keep trying to claim are milk instead of juice. If it comes from insects I have no idea what that is but it is NOT milk.
enough with this insect bs already! (Score:2)
if you want to eat bugs, fine, go ahead, just don't try to force that upon everybody (really, these insect eating people are getting worse then those vegans).
protiens can also be had from other things, which are not bugs!
i rather eat no meat at all then to replace it with insectburgers.
tried it once, it's not for me, never again.
Mosquitoes, 1 million B.C. (Score:2)
I'll stick with my Soylent Green! (Score:2)
At least it's not bugs.
How about water? (Score:2)
For hundreds of thousands of years, homo sapiens drank only mother's milk and water.
Suddenly we need alternatives?
We don't need milk alternatives to breast milk for babies or water for adults.
If you want to go around eating or milking cockroaches because you enjoy it, knock yourself out, but don't act like it solves some problem that just drinking water and eating food don't.
Just wait for a moment (Score:2)
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ie But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.
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THEY’RE tapping the line.
FTFY
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How much would 1.5 pounds of roach guano sell for? And, yes the chest was discarded afterwards.
Discarded after you bagged up the poop. Got it.
Re: Cockroach Milk (Score:2)
Humans carbon footprints must be eliminated.
They'll be feeding powdered humans to crickets soon enough.
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I think there is a group of wealthy scientists somewhere which is playing with the human race. "Let's make them eat plants...no, insects! The really nasty ones!" "Let's get them to abandon nuclear technology, and be at the mercy of the elements (we will call it 'green' technology)!" "Let's get them to carry a radio beacon everywhere they go!" "Let's get them to post their intimate details online, and promise not to sell / misuse them!"
Re:Cockroach Milk (Score:5, Insightful)
The do indeed have six legs, but they also bear live offspring and feed them milk. Apart from them not being warm-blooded, that would almost make them mammals...
They would almost be mammals were they not insects and completely different.
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Well, dolphins are completely different from us as well, yet nobody has a problem calling them mammals instead of fish.
It all depends on the definition. In fact, according to the Cambridge Dictionary [cambridge.org], these cockroaches are definitely mammals. "Mammal, noun, any animal of which the female feeds her young on milk from her own body. "
The American English version lower on that same page, adds "gives birth to babies. not eggs", so I guess Americans don't consider a platypus to be a mammal, but are still perfectl
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Well, dolphins are completely different from us as well, yet nobody has a problem calling them mammals instead of fish.
It all depends on the definition. In fact, according to the Cambridge Dictionary [cambridge.org], these cockroaches are definitely mammals. "Mammal, noun, any animal of which the female feeds her young on milk from her own body. "
Yeah but follow it on, from the same site
animal noun something that lives and moves but is not a human, bird, fish, or insect:
So we're back to roaches not being mammals.
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By the definition I was taught in middle school life science, mammals are warm blooded, have hair, produce milk, and breathe air.
for dolphins, platypuses, and roaches:
1) warm blooded - yep, yep, nope
2) have hair - yep (in utero), yep, nope
3) give milk - yep, yep, maybe (is it really "milk"?)
4) breath air - yep, yep, yep
Dolphins aren't so different from us anyway. Similar bones, blood, lungs, brains, teeth, eyes, skin rather than scales, bilateral symmetry, language use, tribalism, love to eat fish, rape, i
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I've seen Temple of Doom. EVERYONE at that table was HINDU.
I would rather have the chilled monkey brains.
Wouldn't milking cockroaches be the ultimate labor-intensive job? I suppose we could make it a task for prisoners.
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I've seen Temple of Doom. EVERYONE at that table was HINDU.
I would rather have the chilled monkey brains.
Wouldn't milking cockroaches be the ultimate labor-intensive job? I suppose we could make it a task for prisoners.
I imagine it's very hard to find their nipples.
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I imagine it's very hard to find their nipples.
If you can find the nipples on an almond, I guess you can find them on roaches too.
100g of milk from 1k roaches. If my math's right, that's somewhere around 100mg/roach. 100mg is in the ballpark of 100ml. That seems like a lot. Is this one milking session? Do the roaches survive this milking? TFA might tell me, but how could I ever know?
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100mg is in the ballpark of 100ml.
UNfortunately, you are out by a factor of 1000.
I have always thought it was a slight flaw in the metric system that they didn't make the scaling for SI unit of mass consistent with the scaling for the SI unit for water, to avoid this exact confusion, but there you go.
the actual conversion for mass to weight for liquids that are the same density of water is as follows:
1 Litre of fresh water at 4 degrees and 1 bar of pressure weighs approximately 1kg.
Therefore
1 kg = 1 Litre.
1 g = 1 ml
1 mg = 0.001g (or 1 mic
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Do the roaches survive this milking?
Finding a way to allow them to survive the milking would be economically beneficial because you can reuse your roaches. If they don't survive now, they will find a way to milk them without killing them.
Just like the slime extraction from snails- they used to end up killing them, but they found a way to let them live through the process.
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No, 100mg is in the ballpark of 0.1ml. In spite of SI being the Perfect System of Measurements, grams, liters, and meters (the basic units) are only loosely related (1g = 0.001l H2O, 1l - 0.001 m^3)...
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I've seen Temple of Doom. EVERYONE at that table was HINDU.
I would rather have the chilled monkey brains.
Wouldn't milking cockroaches be the ultimate labor-intensive job? I suppose we could make it a task for prisoners.
Dude, monkey brains are delicious. If you haven't tried them then you're missing out!
Nipples (Score:5, Funny)
You can milk anything with nipples other than robert De Niro
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You can milk anything with nipples other than robert De Niro
Scientists are working on silicon breast implants for cockroaches; this will help people locate the nipples to milk.
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This reduces the chafing.
THAT's the real story? (Score:2)
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The summary sounds like something Paula Poundstone would recite on "Wait wait... Don't tell me!"
I'll bet it is one of the articles they use on the guess the right story segment tomorrow.
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Force of habit and Obana's continuing cult of personality.
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As opposed to CO2 that we produce? Yeah, are we better than a cockroach?
Re:Important tech questions (Score:5, Funny)
The PC version his company produces has 13 grams of protein per every 2 1/2 tbsps.
But what about the Mac version??
About the same but it costs twice as much.
Re: Technicality (Score:2, Funny)
Sounds like Trump has a new job once his term is up.
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More like cum from a syphilitic despot's spigot.
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May you all feed well.
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These are the units used in nutrition labeling in the US. Serving sizes in imperial measurement, nutrients in metric.
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I'm curious about cockroach Gouda. (Cockroach Brie, not so much.)