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Asteroid From Another Star System Found Orbiting Wrong Way Near Jupiter (theguardian.com) 84

Astronomers have spotted an asteroid orbiting our sun in the opposite (retrograde) direction to the planets. The 2-mile-wide asteroid, known as 2015 BZ509, is the first "interstellar immigrant" from beyond our solar system to remain, according to the study published in the journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society. The Guardian reports: Further work on the asteroid revealed it takes the same length of time to orbit the sun as the planet Jupiter at a similar average distance, although in the opposite direction and with a different shaped path, suggesting the two have gravitational interactions. But unpicking quite where the asteroid came from was challenging. Asteroids that orbit the sun on paths that take them between the giant planets -- Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune -- are known as centaurs, and it is thought that many might come from distant bands of material within the solar system such as the scattered disk or the Oort cloud. Several, like BZ509, are known to have retrograde paths, although how they ended up on such orbits is unclear.

But there was a clue there was something unusual about BZ509: while previous studies suggested retrograde centaurs stay gravitationally "tied" to planets for 10,000 years at most, recent work had suggested this asteroid's orbit had been linked to Jupiter for far longer, probably as a result of the planet's mass and the way both take the same time to orbit the sun. The discovery provides vital clues as to the asteroid's origins. [Dr Fathi Namouni from the Observatory de la Cote d'Azur said] that the model suggests the most likely explanation is that the asteroid was captured by Jupiter as it hurtled through the solar system from interstellar space. "It means it is an alien to the solar system," he said.

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  • Ah ha! (Score:4, Funny)

    by Black Parrot ( 19622 ) on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @07:00AM (#56652046)

    Now we know how our Octopodian Overlords got here.

    The only remaining loose end to this mystery is whether they consider Pluto a planet.

    • by OzPeter ( 195038 )

      The only remaining loose end to this mystery is whether they consider Pluto a planet.

      I thought Pluto was a cash cow that could never die*.

      Oops .. wrong Pluto

      ---

      *Hmm .. now I am wondering if the Zombie apocalypse will actually be financial in nature as the world is consumed by un-dead copywrite laws

  • British (Score:5, Funny)

    by Errol backfiring ( 1280012 ) on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @07:01AM (#56652048) Journal
    Are you sure it isn't just a British asteroid?
  • A journalist just caught the tail end of an epic diss-fest between two astronomers asserting that "your mama so fat..." ;)

  • by Zorpheus ( 857617 ) on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @07:27AM (#56652132)
    In any space game this unusual object would certainly be an important artifact.
    In reality it would still be quite interesting to analyse its composition.
    • Probe it? fuck no. We need to capture and enslave that mother fucker. Let's send a crack commando team -- led by Bruce Willis, Marky Mark and Michael Bay -- to recover it.
    • by thomst ( 1640045 ) on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @08:48AM (#56652394) Homepage

      Zorpheus observed:

      In any space game this unusual object would certainly be an important artifact.

      In reality it would still be quite interesting to analyse its composition.

      I don't disagree about the scientific importance of this body. OTOH, "send a probe" is a non-trivial undertaking, when that probe will have to overcome the Earth's orbital velocity, then further accelerate to the orbital velocity of this retrograde object.

      That's a helluva lot of delta vee.

      I'm not saying it's impossible. Taking advantage of carefully-calculated gravitational slingshot trajectories ought to permit it - but it's going to take a more powerful launch system than currently exists, regardless. So we're talking about needing the SLS, or SpaceX's BFR, or Blue Origin's New Glenn booster to make it happen.

      The first one won't be operational until no earlier than 2026 (assuming it hits its development schedule, which I don't think is at all a safe assumption). New Glenn might be launch-ready by, say, 2022 or so. Or it might not. The BFR? I'm guessing late 2020 at the earliest. And all three of those systems will have a LONG list of payloads lined up ahead of any at-this-point-theoretical probe to this admittedly-interesting destination - for which there's certainly no room in NASA's budget at the moment.

      New, multiple-billion-dollar, 10-year or more NASA projects don't just appear AIBFM - and the current Congress seems to have little appetite for pure science projects. Or were you expecting the ESA, Roscsmos, or the CNSA to tackle it?

      Because I don't think any one of them has the capability. Or the mandate ...

      • Helluva a lot easier than trying to catch another Oumuamua which we will only detect near the Sun (i.e. shortly before exiting), and has a solar velocity excess of 26 km/s, or 2.6 times more kinetic energy than any rocket boosted object in human history (which was the New Horizons probe).

        This one is staying here on a known orbit, gravitationally bound to the Sun. An ion drive or Hall Effect thruster is a good candidate for this mission as it can reach much high velocities than chemical rockets, and the long

      • by Zocalo ( 252965 )
        Budgets and launch schedules aside, unless you are actually planning on a landing or matching orbits the most likely mission profile is likely to be a flyby, and to get the maximum mission value that would most probably be in conjuction with visiting other Centaurs or Kuiper Belt Objects, similar to New Horizons. That seems like it may be far more achievable (and saleable), even allowing for Earth's orbital speed having a mean velocity of 30km/s and Jupiter's being around 13km/s, giving combined Delta V of
      • First off, there is nothing saying that a visit to the thing would be the best course of action right now. Further study from ground based and space telescopes are probably a better place to start. We could map it's orbit and find the best spot to intercept it, and possibly find out what it's made of. Secondly, given it's retro orbit, a flyby mission makes much more sense, probably on the way to something else.
      • two part probe: Once in the orbit of the asteroid, they detach from each other, and one will collide with the object, and the other will scoop up debris as it passes immediately after to return or analyze. No need to actually match speeds.

      • "send a probe" is a non-trivial undertaking

        How hard can it be. Have you seen the type of people ET's probe? There isn't even any mass transit systems in those places. If you turn on the History channel these days you'd think half of the people in the mid-west have been probed.

      • As you imply, you just do what probably happened to the object itself, and use a couple of gravity assist swings to reverse direction.
        Why would it need a powerful launch system? we sent probes much MUCH further a long LONG time ago..

        Orbital mechanics dont work the way you seem to think they work. Its pretty much energy OR time to get somewhere.. a heavy launch can
        reduce time, but not have a great effect on possibility..

        There is a LOT of assumptions in this 'analysis', because there is actually little real r

  • by link-error ( 143838 ) on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @08:06AM (#56652254)

    "interstellar immigrant" ? They can be stopped!

  • by tonywestonuk ( 261622 ) on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @08:13AM (#56652266)

    .fff

  • Illegal interstellar immigrants breaking orbiting laws. We need to build a Dyson Sphere (and make Mexico pay for it!).
  • Asteroid driver D. Duck was heard to say, "Oopf! Put the silly thing in reverse!"

  • Think the laws don't apply to them.

  • One has to wonder how long it can cross Jupiter's orbit (in the opposite direction, no less) before the two eventually meet?

    I'm sure the encounter will be more detrimental to the asteroid than to Jupiter.

  • And when we send a probe to it, we know what we'll see... don't we, Mr. Clarke?

    #insert "ThusSpakeZarathustra"

  • Personally, I think such probes should be mass-produced because there's no shortage of stuff in the solar system to go explore. Fire out a craft to land on the surface, deploy a small core sampler, and analyze its composition, comparing it to other "native" neighbouring asteroids...

    This small rock will provide some lucky astronomers with an entire career's worth of knowledge and investigation. Gotta say, I'm kind of jealous.
  • Grab the harpoon!

    /s, seriously, fuck the ESA but we should check this out.
  • Triton also orbits in retrograde and could just as easily have originated from a different solar system. Sure the popular theory is that it is a Kuiper Belt object, but we don't know that for sure...do we? Also, just because something is in prograde doesn't mean that it must have exclusively formed during the accretion of the solar system. Just give us the science please and stop with the conclusions as fact. Amazingly, this article seems to conclude all the facts in evidence to the point of being a religi

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