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Google Conducted Hollywood 'Interventions' To Change Look of Computer Scientists (usatoday.com) 644

theodp writes: Most TV computer scientists are still white men," USA Today reports. "Google wants to change that. Google is calling on Hollywood to give equal screen time to women and minorities after a new study the internet giant funded found that most computer scientists on television shows and in the movies are played by white men. The problem with the hackneyed stereotype of the socially inept, hoodie-clad white male coder? It does not inspire underrepresented groups to pursue careers in computer science, says Daraiha Greene, Google CS in Media program manager, multicultural strategy." According to a Google-funded study conducted by Prof. Stacy L. Smith and the Media, Diversity, & Social Change Initiative at the USC Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism, Google's Computer Science in Media team conducted "CS interventions" with "like-minded people" to create "Google influenced storytelling." The executive summary for a USC study entitled Cracking the Code: The Prevalence and Nature of Computer Science Depictions in Media notes that "Google influenced" TV programs include HBO's Silicon Valley and AMC's Halt and Catch Fire. The USC researchers also note that "non-tech focused programs may offer prime opportunities to showcase CS in unique and counter-stereotypical ways. As the Google Team moves forward in its work with series such as Empire, Girl Meets World, Gortimer Gibbons Life on Normal Street, or The Amazing Adventures of Gumball, it appears the Team is seizing these opportunities to integrate CS into storytelling without a primary tech focus." The study adds, "In the case of certain series, we provided on-going advisement. The Fosters, Miles from Tomorrowland, Halt and Catch Fire, Ready, Jet, Go, The Powerpuff Girls and Odd Squad are examples of this. In addition to our continuing interactions, we engaged in extensive PR and marketing support including social media outreach, events and press."

Google's TV interventions have even spilled over into public education -- one of Google-sponsored Code.org's signature Hour of Code tutorials last December was Gumball's Coding Adventure, inspired by the Google-advised Cartoon Network series, The Amazing Adventures of Gumball. "We need more students around the world pursuing an education in CS, particularly girls and minorities, who have historically been underrepresented in the field," explains a Google CS First presentation for educators on the search giant's Hour of Code partnership with Cartoon Network. "Based on our research, one of the reasons girls and underrepresented minorities are not pursuing computer science is because of the negative perception of computer scientists and the relevance of the field beyond coding." According to a 2015 USC report, President Obama was kept abreast of efforts to challenge media's stereotypical portrayals of women; White House Visitor Records show that USC's Smith, the Google-funded study's lead author, and Google CS Education in Media Program Manager Julie Ann Crommett (now at Disney) were among those present when the White House Council on Women and Girls met earlier that year with representatives of the nation's leading toy makers, media giants, retailers, educators, scientists, the U.S. Dept. of Education, and philanthropists.

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Google Conducted Hollywood 'Interventions' To Change Look of Computer Scientists

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  • Well... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @09:04AM (#55131909) Journal

    " The problem with the hackneyed stereotype of the socially inept, hoodie-clad white male coder? It does not inspire underrepresented groups to pursue careers in computer science.."
    So it's not INACCURATE, just uninspiring.

    Because *everything* needs to be about achieving purported social justice agendas?

    • Re: Well... (Score:2, Insightful)

      by ranton ( 36917 )

      The fact it is inaccurate was probably considered to obvious to mention explicitly. While those types of developers do exist, they are not the norm. But they are the norm in Hollywood, which is what Google has been trying to fix.

      • Re: Well... (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 03, 2017 @10:17AM (#55132205)

        I saw a video a few weeks back that made a lot of sense: women are more risk averse than men.

        So the solution is for Google to stop going after the best of the best. Cut everyone's salary by 10, and hire 10 times more people with no expectations that any of them will be more than middling. Rather than keep all the jobs in high risk high reward silicon valley, set up low cost work sites in every major city, McDonald's style.

        So, what have we accomplished here?

        1. You don't need to risk moving to California.

        2. You don't need to risk getting a degree you might not like.

        3. You don't need to risk applying for a top job where you have to take all sorts of crazy tests to prove you're the best of the best of the best.

        You have a career at Google as a normal, boring, low risk low reward career. You can apply for it out of high school and have a good chance of getting one of the many Google jobs in every city.

        How far is Google willing to get more women in tech? Are they willing to do this?

      • Re: Well... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by doctorvo ( 5019381 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @10:24AM (#55132237)

        While those types of developers do exist, they are not the norm. But they are the norm in Hollywood, which is what Google has been trying to fix.

        And by "fixing" you mean replacing an inaccurate stereotype with social-justice propaganda that is even more removed from reality?

        • Re: Well... (Score:5, Interesting)

          by knightghost ( 861069 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @10:45AM (#55132325)

          Seems like it. Google used to at least try to follow "Do no evil" but seems to have completely thrown that away in the last year.

          • Power corrupts (Score:5, Insightful)

            by fyngyrz ( 762201 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @11:42AM (#55132557) Homepage Journal

            Power corrupts.

            Back when Google behaved well - text ads, "do no evil", non-commercial search result ranking - they were new, and essentially powerless.

            However, Google acquired considerable power consequent to its abandonment of those good behaviors. Corruption breeds more corruption; corruption also breeds power.

            It's no surprise that they have now decided to impose social engineering on the population at large. The only remaining question is if the current trend in their behavior will be impacted by any challengers. Doesn't really look like it.

            • "they have now decided to impose social engineering on the population"

              And it's not the new definition of 'social engineering' (scamming people for password access) this time, it's the actual meaning of social engineering.
          • by shanen ( 462549 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @03:38PM (#55133639) Homepage Journal

            Why does it seem like the "news" is dominated by "fake" or "stupid" in various ways? Oh yeah. I seem to have forgotten where the fish started rotting...

            The "Don't be evil" fantasy at the google died long ago. I'm pretty sure you just didn't notice until "the last year", and the minor question is "What blinded you?" Maybe your dreams of getting hired by the google died?

            The google's primary motto has become "All your attention are belong to us so we can sell more advertising as we [the google] seek perfection defined by infinite profit." This is actually tightly linked to the evolution of the google's mission statement. Turned out that all of the world's information was too overwhelming and the metric of utility was too unclear. They fixed that by focusing on making the advertisers' ads the highest priority information and using profit as the primary metric of utility. Which finally leads us to the religious part of it:

            "There is no gawd but profit, and Apple, Gilead, Google, Exxon, and some giant gamblers are profit's prophets."

            That's based on Fortune's ranking, and I'm grouping banks, speculators, and money changers as "gamblers". Other sources define "profits" slightly differently and come up with different lists. I just saw one with Exxon higher up and Samsung included. Plus the prophets change over time.

            I've come to believe that a problem without a solution is meaningless. Since I can prove that the so-called "problem" of "more profit" has no solution, I reject it. The proof is simple. There are infinite numbers, therefore there is no maximum profit. If you want a more technical proof, you can use any of the infinite set proofs. Personally I like the infinite prime numbers.

            I think it would be better if our economic system were organized around two different principles: (1) Increasing freedom, and (2) Improving the use of our limited time. As a result of practicing those principles, I don't have the money to bribe the cheapest politicians to rig the rules of the game in favor of larger profits. In contrast, the google has become a YUGE lobbyist.

            You don't want to get me started on fake individuals. Suffice it to say that corporations are NOT human beings.

        • Re: Well... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Immerman ( 2627577 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @10:50AM (#55132343)

          Or, you know, something more accurate?

          Add in a bunch of different Asian ethnicities, a smattering of other races, a few women who are actually competent and opinionated enough to hold their own, rather than just being eye-candy. And the lot of them spread across the social-competency spectrum from the smart-dressing player to the morbidly obese cheeto-powered coder., instead of predominantly representing the least-attractive stereotypes.

          Seriously - why would you favor the current grossly inaccurate and frankly insulting representation of computer geekdom unless you aspire to be a member of the unhealthy albino sausage-party that is Hollywood's representation?

          And as a corollary, why would any teenager who *doesn't* want to be part of that distasteful stereotype even consider that as a career track unless they're already fascinated by computers to begin with? These are just kids we're talking about, mostly extremely image-conscious, and expected to choose a career path based on media portrayal and far too little solid information.

          • Re: Well... (Score:5, Insightful)

            by war4peace ( 1628283 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @11:24AM (#55132457)

            Or, you know, something more accurate?

            Add in a bunch of different Asian ethnicities, a smattering of other races, a few women who are actually competent and opinionated enough to hold their own, rather than just being eye-candy. And the lot of them spread across the social-competency spectrum from the smart-dressing player to the morbidly obese cheeto-powered coder., instead of predominantly representing the least-attractive stereotypes.

            ...and end up with movies nobody would watch.

          • Re: Well... (Score:5, Insightful)

            by doctorvo ( 5019381 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @11:33AM (#55132501)

            Seriously - why would you favor the current grossly inaccurate and frankly insulting representation of computer geekdom unless you aspire to be a member of the unhealthy albino sausage-party that is Hollywood's representation? [...] These are just kids we're talking about, mostly extremely image-conscious, and expected to choose a career path based on media portrayal and far too little solid information.

            Yes, as a scrawny gay teenage geek, I aspired to be a member of the "unhealthy albino sausage-party", because those were the people who wouldn't beat me up and actually tolerate them. The teenagers with "no solid information" about computers were the ones doing the beating because in their "extremely image conscious" world, there was no room for scrawny gay geeks like me. Unfortunately, self-righteous bigots like you will destroy this niche for people like me just like you have destroyed the gay and minority neighborhoods people like me used to live in.

          • by epyT-R ( 613989 )

            These are just kids we're talking about, mostly extremely image-conscious, and expected to choose a career path based on media portrayal and far too little solid information.

            This image conscious attitude should not be coddled, especially if the goal is a career in a STEM field. The truth cares not for self image or the perception of others. If the media is what's responsible for reenforcing the assumption that competency is measured by social conformance and dress codes (or socjus garbage), then that is the problem to deal with, not adding more distortions to the pile just to make the field more appealing to people who care more about those things than the truth. Such people

        • Re: Well... (Score:4, Informative)

          by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @11:31AM (#55132491) Journal
          Seems to me the fix is already in. I've seen so many girl or young black guy hackers in TV series that it's almost becoming a cliché.
        • Re: Well... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Dutch Gun ( 899105 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @11:38AM (#55132531)

          Honestly, I'd be pretty happy if Hollywood ever depicted computer science, programming, or hacking in a remotely realistic manner. I honestly don't care all that much what gender or skin color the programmer is. I just want to see less of this, please. [youtube.com]

          • Re: Well... (Score:5, Insightful)

            by doctorvo ( 5019381 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @11:46AM (#55132585)

            Is there any profession that Hollywood portrays even remotely accurately?

          • The Smoak Syndrome (Score:5, Insightful)

            by RobotRunAmok ( 595286 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @01:28PM (#55133117)
            I would consider it a major achievement if Hollywood just acknowledged the difference between IT guys, software developers and cyber security specialists. Instead the tube is filled with Felicity Smoaks who alternate among hacking into metropolitan CCTV systems, writing applications to sift and parse through data they've just downloaded from a satellite (that they also hacked into) and re-wiring routers to transmit on a different frequency. These people don't exist in any race or gender in real life.
            • by houghi ( 78078 )

              As you are on /., I am assuming you are working in IT or an IT related job, like software developer or cyber security specialist, as you mention them specifically.
              You have noticed that these jobs are not represented in a realistic way and that is probably true.

              What I want to know if you think these are the ONLY ones that are represented wrong, because I assume you are aware that they are not the only ones.

              Lawyers, doctors, nurses, teachers, police men, drunk people, bank directors, ...none of them is realis

          • Mr. Robot is refreshing in this regard.
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        The stereotype of the socially inept "brogrammer" is VERY accurate. And it's what companies like Google and Facebook want - self-isolating male drones who can expend all their energies on work because they have no home life outside of video games, no social life outside of their bro-mates, no significant other, no kids, can be easily replaced with other drones, moved at a moment's notice because they have no ties in the larger community, and don't have much in the way of other options because interview ter

      • by johanw ( 1001493 )

        For an alternative view, go look at some Bollywood films.

      • Google shouldn't be trying to fix anything. They should not be shaping our culture through propaganda.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by lucm ( 889690 )

      Because *everything* needs to be about achieving purported social justice agendas?

      Phonies, all of them. They want to feel like they're changing the world, but without leaving the comfortable 6-digit salary and fancy coffee shops ecosystem. You don't see those people signing up to go fight ISIS or even flying to Texas to help people in need. They tweet and facebook that's the extent of their courage and commitment to social justice.

      Fuck those imbeciles. Fuck Google. They're the canary letting us know that society is seriously sick.

      • Re: Well... (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        You are witnessing the decadent end of the west.

        The MOST priveleged people in the richest country on earth claiming to be victims.

        Social Justice and their form of post modernism is poison for the west. In future historians will say "they just gave up"

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Mashiki ( 184564 )

          The MOST priveleged people in the richest country on earth claiming to be victims.

          Well when you have everything, you need something to feel special. Of course their bullshit hurts everyone else like that 40 year old guy who lives with his parents, never mind he broke his back ~20 years ago, can't hold down a job and is still fighting workmans comp. Those special people need monies for a sex-change instead! Oh and safe spaces because someone telling them to shut the fuck up hurts their feelings.

          Social Justice and their form of post modernism is poison for the west. In future historians will say "they just gave up"

          It is, but people aren't going to go down without a fight over it either. And the socjus mo

        • by Kohath ( 38547 )

          Historians will say mission accomplished [ibiblio.org].

      • Fuck those imbeciles. Fuck Google. They're the canary letting us know that society is seriously sick.

        Google is more like the vet, holding the dead canary. You should have noticed when it was sick, not waited until it was dead and then waited for google to come around and notice there were flies on it.

        • You should have noticed when it was sick, not waited until it was dead and then waited for google to come around and notice there were flies on it.

          "When I bought it 'alf an hour ago Google assured me that its total lack of movement was due to its being tired and shagged out after a long squawk."

      • Re:Well... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by doctorvo ( 5019381 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @10:27AM (#55132247)

        Phonies, all of them. They want to feel like they're changing the world, but without leaving the comfortable 6-digit salary and fancy coffee shops ecosystem.

        These phonies are nothing new either. Read Tom Wolfe's Radical Chic.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        What are you doing to fix this sick society you are so worried about? Ranting about Google on Slashdot?

    • Because *everything* needs to be about achieving purported social justice agendas?

      Have you ever watched a television program? Every episode of every cartoon or sitcom comes with a message. Those messages are often intended to advance cultural development, although they usually are fairly trite and boil down to the golden rule.

      • Have you ever watched a television program?

        You say that but weve had people here whinging that "Star Trek" of all things has got invaded by "teh SJW". I can only conclude they've never watched ToS.

    • by Kohath ( 38547 )

      Yes. The social justice religion requires daily devotions. If any part of life is outside the cult leaders' influence, they see that as a threat.

    • by vlad30 ( 44644 )
      Many engineers say they were inspired by star treks Scotty a white guy the show itself showed other ethnic origins all working together. Scotty might have been the 60's version of a geek but in the show anybody could have been anything they wanted and that was more important.
  • Yeah hollywood (Score:5, Insightful)

    by guruevi ( 827432 ) <`evi' `at' `evcircuits.com'> on Sunday September 03, 2017 @09:05AM (#55131921) Homepage

    At least make it consistent with reality and either put in a Chinese undergrad or underpaid Indian dude.

    • Re:Yeah hollywood (Score:5, Interesting)

      by PolygamousRanchKid ( 1290638 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @09:30AM (#55132017)

      At least make it consistent with reality

      The whole purpose of this is NOT to be consistent with reality, and NOT show things as they really are. The goal is to create an illusionist Utopia la-la land where everyone rides winged unicorns, where minorities ARE the majority, all races just absolutely love each other, Muslim terrorists drop the van keys and mount flowers on their machetes and swords, etc.

      Hmmm . . . so they call this practice "Intervention" . . . I'd call it censorship++. This is stuff the former East German Stasi Secret Police used to do with televisions programs there. The scripts were inspected and "re-written be conform with Socialist Ideology.

      TV shows that are reality-space-time-Schrödinger's-Cat-In-Your-Laptop-warped crazy propaganda tend to be unintentionally funny.

      • Re:Yeah hollywood (Score:5, Insightful)

        by apoc.famine ( 621563 ) <apoc.famineNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Sunday September 03, 2017 @11:34AM (#55132503) Journal

        The whole purpose of this is NOT to be consistent with reality, and NOT show things as they really are. The goal is to create an illusionist Utopia la-la land....

        And why is that a bad thing, when we're specifically talking about films here, and not documentaries? Films are already not reality, unless you currently have problems with giant robots stomping through your town.
         
        Not only is there no harm in showing a happier version of reality in film, it might actually do some good, as we know that films can be influential. I'm really confused by why you are so angry about this. Every film should be a documentary on your gritty white suburban life?

        • I'm really confused by why you are so angry about this.

          I'm not angry about it . . . I just don't like forced censorship. I like free speech.

          Every film should be a documentary on your gritty white suburban life?

          No, all filmmakers should be able to choose for themselves if they make cheesy Disney Star Wars sugar-festival film, or boring reality Kardashian infotainment, or The Heart Healthy Good 'Ole Zombie Deep Fried Turkey cook show, or a THX-1138.

          A private company with too much money and promoting their own agenda, no matter how noble, by forcibly manipulating content providers . . . ?

          No, thanks. Read up on what "Totalitarian

    • Maybe even throw in a few incompetent minorities, too. Women are just as capable of making stupid mistakes as men, but Hollywood doesn't want to admit it.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Have you seen Silicon Valley? It has both those characters.

  • rappers (Score:5, Insightful)

    by musikit ( 716987 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @09:10AM (#55131941)

    i dont see many white males represented in rap videos. i guess that is the reason that there is a under representation of white males in rap. we should start a change.org petition demanding that white males be equally represented in rap videos in order to grow the number of white males in rap

    • by _merlin ( 160982 )

      Yeah, besides Eminem who was arguably the world's most successful/well-kown rapper for years, B-Real (Cypress Hill) who keeps kicking on, the Beastie Boys, dudes from the Kottonmouth Kings... They're in the minority, but there's definitely been a steady stream of successful white rappers.

      • Re:rappers (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 03, 2017 @10:55AM (#55132357)

        They are in the minority? Given that whites outnumber blacks about 5:1, shouldn't we expect - nay, DEMAND - that rap stars also have the same racial background proportions? For every black rapper, we need 5 white rappers. For every black basketball player, we need 5 white basketball players.

        And don't even get me started on gender and teachers and nurses - or even college students! Right now, there is a massive imbalance in gender in college, with women making up about 64% of all undergrads, but just 50% of the population, meaning we need to kick many of them out and replace them with men! And fat people, we need MORE representation of fat people EVERYWHERE, given they are the majority of US population. Models, TV/film actors, CEOs, soldiers, etc.

        We need to make sure that each demographic is proportionately represented in any aspect of society. After all, white male lives matter. We need equal rights for all, and we must use the SJW metric of equality - that every race, gender, religion is equally represented in all aspects of life, according to their prevalence in society as a whole! Until we have 100% strictly-quota-aligned employment in society, then society is inherently evil and must be torn down. Right?

  • by bogaboga ( 793279 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @09:15AM (#55131965)

    According to a 2015 USC report, President Obama was kept abreast of efforts to challenge media's stereotypical portrayals of women...

    This news piece [usatoday.com] talks of the absence of male teachers.

    I'd like to have an effort targeted to this imbalance too. Google, anyone?

  • Doomed To Fail (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 03, 2017 @09:24AM (#55131993)

    An experiment has been conducted many times where they throw a load of female toys (typically dolls) and male toys (typically trucks) around a monkey enclosure. Every time it is conducted, the female monkeys play with the dolls and the male monkey's play with the trucks. Here's a video of the experiment being carried out on BBC's Horizon:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm9xXyw2f7g

    The simple fact is, men and women are different and therefore have different interests. The reason women are under-represented in computer science is because most women aren't interested in the subject. It's the same reason men are under-represented in child care - most men have no interest in looking after young children.

    What Google are doing is fascist style propaganda that ignores the truth and pushes the party narrative. They then severely punish anyone who questions the narrative.

    Google is true evil.

    • Google is true evil.

      In this case Google is acting just as every large corporate will: they want to avoid being attacked by vocal groups as they think that that will, eventually, lead to a reduction in profits. So when some group succeeds in getting enough people to accept their meme, the corporate will want to be seen as supporting it - no matter how wacky it is & no matter what those at the top really think about it.

      Some of the more savvy & well organised groups get their supporters into positions of influence, in gov

  • It does not inspire underrepresented groups to pursue careers in computer science,

    Is there a rule that says a person will only be "inspired" by someone who is the same gender that they are and / or has the same colour skin? And if so, why not require them to be the same height, or eye-colour, too.

    I find it difficult to accept that women only study physics because they have been "inspired" by a female physicist, or that men would need to have a shining example of a male nurse to "inspire" them into the profession.

    And if it is that way, where does that leave all the major religions an

    • Is there a rule that says a person will only be "inspired" by someone who is the same gender that they are and / or has the same colour skin? And if so, why not require them to be the same height, or eye-colour, too.

      I think only to the extent that a person believes that people who are not the same gender, ethnicity, culture, etc. as themselves are an other and in that way a little less human if they're being perfectly honest with themselves. It's the kind of naive thought one might have as a small child, but that should be dismissed even before puberty. '

      I think that's what disgusts me most about the people so in favor of forced representation in media, etc. They essentially treat groups of people like idiot childre

  • by mveloso ( 325617 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @09:31AM (#55132019)

    What minorities are you talking about? Indians and other Asians?

    • by Teun ( 17872 )
      According to the previous /. article about millennial the minorities include older people.
  • When can I get that ticket to Mars?
  • by Archtech ( 159117 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @10:10AM (#55132161)

    "The problem with the hackneyed stereotype of the socially inept, hoodie-clad white male coder? It does not inspire underrepresented groups to pursue careers in computer science..."

    Yeah, because Aristotle, Euclid, Pythagoras, Archimedes, Bacon, Newton, Leibniz, and all the groundbreaking mathematicians, scientists and technologists up through Einstein, Turing, Feynman and Berners-Lee took up science and technology because they were inspired by someone they saw on TV.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by apoc.famine ( 621563 )

      It's the opposite, actually. They didn't have it reinforced to them day in and day out that only someone who didn't look like them was fit to do something. What they could aspire to was more of a blank canvas, because there wasn't an established trope of only X can do Y. Movies tend to create and perpetuate these tropes. For people who don't look like a 20-something awkward white kid in a hoodie or a lumbering neckbeard with cheeto fingers and a stained t-shirt, the computer-whiz position doesn't seem to in

      • by Kohath ( 38547 )

        Yeah, because Aristotle, Euclid, Pythagoras, Archimedes, Bacon, Newton, Leibniz, and all the groundbreaking mathematicians, scientists and technologists up through Einstein, Turing, Feynman and Berners-Lee took up science and technology because they were inspired by someone they saw on TV.

        What they could aspire to was more of a blank canvas, because there wasn't an established trope of only X can do Y.

        You really want to say that life decades and/or centuries ago was open and filled with opportunities for regular people? Really?

        • You really want to say that life decades and/or centuries ago was open and filled with opportunities for regular people? Really?

          Yes these people really believe that.

          They cant comprehend that what the majority of famous people from history had was the free time necessary to spend a lot of time doing the things that interested them.

          ...and nothing has changed, but these people wont accept that either. They think that they can force people to do things that do not interest them, and that good outcomes will be the result.

          Its been proven time and again that social constructionism has bad outcomes.

      • This is the dumbest post of the day.

        The reason there are fewer female geniuses is largely biology. Women are nature's safe bet, while men are the wildcard. Men fill the prisons and somehow I don't hear feminists wining about that!

        Also, men have more compartmentalized brains and deal wit stress better (on the whole). This lends itself to a narrow focus on logical problems for extended periods of time.

        We also live shorter and less socially active lives. It's not like a career in math or science is the ultimat

  • "Calling on" Hollywood to tweak the outrageous lies and misrepresentations it churns out may not be as important as it sounds. Garbage is garbage, no matter what colour you paint it.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I just went DuckDuckGo

  • Fuck off google (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    You know who else wasn't inspired by stereotypical white nerds wearing hoodies to go into tech?
    Me, a fucking white male. I went into tech because I enjoy it, not because of socially retarded idiots on tv.

  • by 0xdeadbeef ( 28836 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @10:34AM (#55132269) Homepage Journal

    "Based on our research, one of the reasons girls and underrepresented minorities are not pursuing computer science is because of the negative perception of computer scientists and the relevance of the field beyond coding."

    This line seems to be taken from a document about the movie Hidden Figures [nyc.gov].

    That "Made with Code" project seems particularly absurd. They're trying to trick girls into learning how to program by making it about clothes and fashion. Feminism seems more intent on reinforcing stereotypes than those they accuse of misogyny.

  • I mean how many hot bi-sexual women hackers are there? They seem to be very over represented in Hollywoo.

    They don't really want the truth about wage slaves in foreign countries working for a small percentage of what they would receive if they were employees instead of contractors.

    Or the greed of the companies the "computer scientists" work for, where people have to make the choice of following their beliefs, or aligning with corporate policies of data mining, information sharing and tracking.

    They also don't

  • You mean the average computer scientist can't walk up to an antiquated computer that they have never seen before and use it to break through the security of a bank, corporation, or prison in 30 seconds flat? I am shocked!
  • by PPH ( 736903 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @11:00AM (#55132395)

    This [ytimg.com] is the Hollywood image of coders that I grew up with.

  • I'm still watching Mr. Robot, despite this stereotype, it's a great show.
    • In Mr. Robot, the F.Society group are *NOT* all white males. In fact, it's quite diverse. The company that Elliot works for might be considered less diverse, hiring only younger applicants, and of a certain background, but the name of that company is "EVIL CORP", so I think the point it well made.
  • What bullshit (Score:5, Informative)

    by Areyoukiddingme ( 1289470 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @12:08PM (#55132659)

    NCIS has prominently featured a female hacker for more than a decade now. A female hacker who possesses all the same superpowers as every male hacker: she can get through any encryption in as much under 44 minutes as is required to advance the plot.

    Warehouse 13 prominently featured a female hacker for very nearly the entirety of its 5 year run, beginning 8 years ago. She didn't exhibit her hacking superpowers nearly as frequently as Abby in NCIS, but Allison Scagliotti made up for it by being improbably beautiful.

    Leverage prominently featured a black male hacker for the entirety of its 4 year run, beginning 9 years ago. He too had all the requisite hacking superpowers Hollywood insists on depicting.

    Hell, we can go all the way back to Hackers, in 1995, to find a very young Angelina Jolie playing yet another improbably beautiful female hacker. We don't know if she had hacking superpowers because real computers didn't actually appear in that movie, but I'm sure if there were any, she would have.

    Other examples are plentiful. In short, Hollywood has been injecting minorities and women into a predominantly white male role for more than a generation, predating even the existence of Google. It doesn't matter. In the face of persistent, even pervasive propaganda for an entire generation, the number of women getting CS degrees has gone down, not up. It's almost as if people object to fake role models routinely doing the impossible, especially when they know damn well that the job is simultaneously boring (to their minds) and insanely complicated, and nothing like what's depicted on TV, because guess what, everybody can use a computer, and nearly everybody has, at least a little, so they know the reality is far different.

    Bullshit propaganda is bullshit, and also a demonstrated failure. But you just keep on keepin' on, Google. I'm sure it'll start working. Aaaaany minute now...

    (Actually, white males should probably be thanking Google for these efforts. After 25 years of anti-correlation, their propaganda seems to have had the affect of reinforcing their dominance of the field. Want a fake hacker? Hire a pretty girl or a black man. Want your computer fixed? Hire a white man.)

  • by Noishkel ( 3464121 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @12:11PM (#55132677)

    You know when I hear people like Paul Joseph Watson and Infowars as a whole rail about cultural Marxism I mostly just chuckle at it for the comedy that it mostly is. But every so often assholes in the tech industry prove the other crazies correct by their very actions. People at Google are so damn obsessed with diversity of skin ton and genital shape that it's starting to ignore the very concept of Google as a money making company in favor of being a vehicle for social change.

    Jesus, Google couldn't get the right mix or woman and the 'correct' kind of racial minority in positions of power by hiring them... so they got people in the media to PRETEND that it's that way?? Actually I aint even mad. I'm just flat out amused at how pathetic both Hollywood and Google is in in this. They want to make sure people doing FAKE HACKING and IT work while say shit like 'I'm rerouting through the firewall with encryption!' Oh man, that's just comedy gold.

  • Uh.... what? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mark-t ( 151149 ) <markt@NOsPaM.nerdflat.com> on Sunday September 03, 2017 @12:19PM (#55132721) Journal

    Based on our research, one of the reasons girls and underrepresented minorities are not pursuing computer science is because of the negative perception of computer scientists...

    The problem I have with this statement is that it seems equivalent to saying that "girls and underrepresented minorities" are somehow more likely to care what other people think about them if they otherwise did try to pursue a field that they believed was interesting, to such a degree that they will not try to pursue such a field in the first place if they feel that they may be negatively perceived because of it. Of course, one may argue that they are more likely to care about it because of all the other discrimination against them, and I do not wish to be dismissive of such unjust discrimination, but in the end, it still amounts to them caring more about what other people think.

    Which, to be blunt... and I hate to sound insensitive here, is really their own effing problem. If the only real thing stopping you from pursuing a field, regardless of what it is, is the fear of what other people are going to think of you if you did, then I'm pretty darn sure that you probably wouldn't be a good fit for that field in the first place.

    Find something that you love to do enough that it won't matter what other people are going to think, or else you will never be happy. That much is going to be true for both men and women, and people of all races and demographics.

  • Turner classic movies had two sci-fi classics yesterday: 2001 A Space Odyssey, and Westworld (with Yul Brenner). Re-watched both.

    Odyssey was 1968 and Kubrick. Westworld was 1973 and Michael Crichton.

    It bothers me now, to see that Odyssey had _zero_ diversity. I was critically looking for anyone, even background cast that just walks past the camera, or is in a shot.

    Westworld had diversity. Both as scientific types in the underground control center, as well as being visitors to the leisure worlds.

  • by PoopMonkey ( 932637 ) on Sunday September 03, 2017 @01:19PM (#55133067)
    "Based on our research, one of the reasons girls and underrepresented minorities are not pursuing computer science is because of the negative perception of computer scientists and the relevance of the field beyond coding."

    Funny how no one cared about the stereotypes men would face for being so nerdy/geeky/whatever when computers weren't as profitable or such a big part of society.

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