Energy Drinks May Trigger Future Substance Use, Says Study (medscape.com) 233
New research suggests persistent consumption of energy drinks may predispose young adults to substance use. "Investigators, led by Amelia M. Arria, PhD, School of Public Health, University of Maryland, College Park, found that college students who regularly drink highly caffeinated energy drinks were at increased risk for later use of alcohol, cocaine, or prescription stimulants," reports Medscape. From the report: The research included students enrolled in an ongoing longitudinal study that began in 2004 at a large public university. The analysis included 1099 participants (54% women; 72% non-Hispanic white) who completed at least one annual assessment in which patterns of energy drink consumption were assessed. In interviews, participants were asked which energy drinks they had consumed, and how often, in the past year. They were categorized into three patterns of use: Frequent (52 or more days); Occasional (12 - 51 days); Infrequent (1 - 11 days). The investigators found that sensation seeking, conduct problems, and behavioral dysregulation were all positively associated with a higher probability of energy drink consumption, with the nonuse group having the lowest and the persistent group the highest risk scores. The study was published in the journal Drug and Alcohol Dependence.
If you want a kick to the system energy drink (Score:2)
Drink some Green Tea Beaver Buzz. Almost 400mg of caffeine https://www.amazon.com/Canadia... [amazon.com]
Re:If you want a kick to the system energy drink (Score:5, Insightful)
I expect that is the reason between the correlation of Energy Drinks and drug dependencies.
If you take a substance any substance, because of the buzz or numbing feeling, (which these feelings often happen when your body is chemically out of wack) then chances are you will get addicted to that feeling and move up.
I drink coffee in the morning, I don't get a buzz, but I like the taste. If I don't have coffee in the morning I function just fine. If I have too much and get a buzz, I don't like the feeling, so I stop. The same is if I am drinking a hard drink. Once I start feeling it, I stop, because I know I had too much. But if I was in search for the Buzzed feeling, chances are I would keep drinking to keep that feeling.
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So, let' see, if energy drinks are "gateway drugs", shouldn't they too be classified as Schedule I drugs, like heroin, and marijuana?
Hell, like pot, shouldn't mothers milk be also schedule 1, as that it really leads to all other substances and possible abuse of them...?
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Well, if you want REAL gateway drugs, there's always dihydrogen monoxide. EVERY hard-drug user, used DHMO first And used O2 as an inhalant!
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I drink 2-3 16Oz rockstars/day + some heavily caffeinated tea. That's down from up to 6 rockstars + coffee.
Incidentally, I cut over to rockstars as I was cutting out other stimulants.
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I only have one 'cup' of coffee a day. It's 30 ounces out of a french press, almost gone...always sad to see. Time to switch to 'Max'.
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...that can't be good for you. I can't really talk, I have 4-5 cups of coffee a day..
I drink 4-5 cups of coffee/caffeinated tea on weekdays, but I wouldn't remotely compare that to drinking 2-3 Rockstars a day as far as health goes. To hell with the caffeine, that's a shit-load of sugar which I consider a much bigger deal. Black coffee's almost like caffeinated water compared to an energy drink or a soda.
Same relation as income? (Score:5, Interesting)
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It would surprise me if the relation was anything else than social. The same social groups that drink energy drinks also use more drugs.
Yep. Definitely got the cart and the horse the wrong way around here.
Re:Same relation as income? (Score:5, Insightful)
As someone who spent a decade in active drug addiction I can say from experience that this research has it right. The people who drink highly caffienated drinks on a daily basis over a period of time are developing a psychological, and physical, addiction to a mind altering substance. They drink massive amounts of caffience for the buzz it gives them. And they come to rely on that to get them to an altered mental state.
That altered state is the goal. And that is what addiction is all about. People get to depend on that altered state, and that is the psychological part of addiction, and actually the worst part of addiction. Why? Because the physical addiction is fairly easy to break compared to the mental habit of relying on something outside of yourself to make you feel good. That mental habit is extremely hard to break. That memory that feeling good is only a substance use away.
That buzz off caffiene is a gateway drug effect. Scoff if you want, but as an addict I can tell you that is how an addict thinks. I've been clean for 25 years now and the urge is less than it used to be, but that thought still crosses my mind when I'm having a really bad day.
Re:Same relation as income? (Score:4, Interesting)
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If one goes to any 12 Step Meetings then they will discover that there is coffee...
Doesn't that support GP's assertion that people who are seeking an altered mental state will demonstrate that behavior with caffeine as easily as they do with other drugs? Smoking used to be huge at 12 step meetings too. An alcoholic's addictive behavior isn't necessarily limited to alcohol.
All of this seems to imply to me that people who like using stimulants continue to like using stimulants.
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Also most ex users are STILL cigarette smokers, and they prefer to enjoy their cigarettes with coffee...
Yes, people with addictive personalities are attracted to addictive substances. OP never said coffee leads to addiction - He said that people who are looking to alter their state of mind will do it with what's available. When they cut off one addiction (e.g. alcohol), the others don't vanish with it.
Leaving out your point about Starbuck's wasn't meant to be disingenuous. You seemed to be hopelessly confused while trying to conceive a point there, so it was omitted as nonsense.
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Not all smokers are alcoholics, but not long ago, virtually all alcoholics were smokers. The demonizing of cigs has changed that, a little.
It's one of the best arguments for not hiring smokers. Smoking won't kill them until you're done with them, but keeping the drunks off staff makes it worth it.
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Actually caffeine addiction exists, but it is quite rare.
I for my part used to drink "out of habit" about 6 coffee a day.
But since 4 or 5 years I stopped (without any special afford).
I still drink green tee, though. About a can a day when I work ... none at all when I'm not working.
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Which would seem to suggest to me that caffeine addicts by and large simply aren't aware of their addiction in those terms, possibly because it's one of the few addictions that our society actively encourages, and which carries no social stigma even when indulged at dangerous levels.
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Which assumption is that? That caffeine is addictive? I'd say the science is pretty conclusive on that one.
Or maybe that addictive behavior tends to continue and usually increase over time without significant personal effort to change the pattern? That's pretty well established as well.
Not that that makes caffeine any more of a "gateway drug" than anything else - except possibly that it's marketed to children, and unlike most other drugs there is no serious social stigma against abuse to help most people
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My parents once accidentally ran a double blind study on caffeine addiction. My dad gave my mom decaf in the morning thinking it was regular. She felt sick all day and he discovered later that it was decaf. Only problem with the study is n=1.
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What does the DSM have to do with whether or not people are addicted to a drug? We're not talking about the damage caused by the addiction, but about the addiction itself. That coffee is a drug is not under debate. It is. Just because it rarely causes any serious life-coping problems even when heavily abused doesn't make it any less habit forming.
As I see it freeloader's statement can be broken down into three separate logical claims, though I believe they conflated the last two:
The first claim is that cof
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Your logic is something else. It's pretty easy to beat up a straw man. I never said coffee leads to addiction. I said that the using of high levels of caffiene over periods of time leads to addiction. If you don't think caffiene is physically addictive, well, you're going to have to argue that with the scientists. They say it is. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/... [smithsonianmag.com]
My experience with it says it is too. When I stopped using it I felt lousy for weeks and had major headaches besides. Those are the withdrawal symp
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You're implicitly referencing at least two different definitions of addict but treating them as the same.
Are you addicted to water? Breathing? Fapping?
The difference is 'continue to use despite negative consequences'.
Yes, but in the opposite direction... (Score:3)
Most "highly caffienated drinks" can't hold a candle to espresso coffee, and even "regular" coffee contains more caffeine for the same amount of liquid.
And that's using the lower-end quantities of caffeine found in brewed coffee.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Those "highly caffienated drinks" are made to strict, regulated rules, regulations and recipes.
Which are created in such a way to match or be lower than amounts of caffeine "found in nature" and which has been proven to be non-harmful to most humans.
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If you make it right or very wrong it sure is.
The right way is with Arabica and a French press, the wrong way is with Robusta and a percolator. Most AA/NA meetings do it the wrong way, terrible flavor, but loads of caffeine.
Not a 'quitter' but know enough of them to keep near beer in my fridge.
This (any mind altering chem is addictive) is all LDS dogma BTW. They aren't amenable to discussion about it. They believe it, that settles it etc.
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Addiction roots from biological makeup, th
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Which came first? The goal or the behaviour?
I like a mild buzz, and maybe every year or three I like to get ripped for all of one evening, but mostly I like my buzz mild.
Eventually I worked out that two 7 g pour-overs spaced about four hours apart is my optimum caffeine intake for the day. I now think twice before adding a green tea. My buzz is perfectly dialed in.
It's the difference between Larry Flynt kicking his addition after surgery (his distress was mainly physical) a
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No, that's contained in typo-ience.
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Getting high on covfefe is wrong.
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Bouncing her off the ceiling? She's got a sex trapeze? Lucky bastard.
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I wonder if the researchers controlled for users who drank sugar sweetened vs. artificially sweetened energy drinks.
There are some serious people who claim that sugar has addictive properties on par with cocaine.
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It would surprise me if the relation was anything else than social. The same social groups that drink energy drinks also use more drugs.
Could be social, or it could be biological, or some of both. Either way, it seems likely that this correlation is caused by a third factor.
That said, energy drinks are a bad idea. They knock your system around pretty hard with a massive shot of caffeine plus a big jolt of sugar... and lots of them have several other mind-altering ingredients, all relatively mild in small doses, and therefore unregulated, but energy drinks use a lot of them. A handful of teens have actually been killed by caffeine overdose
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The personality that wants to get such a buzz from caffeine, means they may want to get a buzz from something else.
Some people don't like the feeling of a caffeine buzz, so they don't go after that food, and also don't try other things, as the buzzed feeling is unpleasant to them.
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The problem is advertising to kids. Or just advertising. Ban advertising of all shitfoods and consumption will drastically fall.
Might seem radical today, but banning tobacco advertising was radical at the time.
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Yep. Making these drinks the social norm for kids is wrong.
Then again, CocaCola has been doing it for decades. Banning this would be anti-American.
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Good for them. I hope they don't pay Norwegian taxes anymore either.
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That's probably more a feature of socialism than the average intelligence level. Socialism leads to shortages and rationing. Resources are limited to what government beaurocrats are willing to allocate.
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Gulags, don't forget the gulags..
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As opposed to capitalism, which leads to shortages and rationing as resources are limited to what the capitalists are willing to share?
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Become a capitalist, duh. If you own any means of production (like a computer or tools) you already are.
You can't seriously be suggesting that shortages are similar in both types of society? Why did the Russians kick out the commies?
Yes (Score:2, Funny)
I smoked weed first and drank energy drinks second.
I can see now what triggered my drinking...
How many times? (Score:2, Informative)
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Correlation causation. Correlation causation. Correlation causation. The original article acknowledges this and it does not reach that conclusion. Yet, the title reads "energy drinks MAY trigger future substance use". By the same logic I guess we can also say "eating vegetables may trigger schizophrenia" or "eating hamburgers may trigger a healthy lifestyle" or "doing drugs may trigger a happy and fruitful life" or "staring at the sun may trigger improved gaming skills". Those are all true statements, aren't they?
You do realize that the only way you ever conclude "causation" is by first finding "correlation"?
Re:How many times? (Score:5, Insightful)
You do realize that the only way you ever conclude "causation" is by first finding "correlation"?
True. Very observant and astute of you.
Why does the idiot slashdot editor need to come to that conclusion without evidence?
Clicks.
This place is getting retarded. They found a way to get lots of clicks (post lots of political bullshit) and now it's in the tank. Just like long time users predicted would happen when a marketing company run by millennials bought it.
It's going to be a steady stream of "this housewife figured out how to impeach trump with this one trick" crap very soon.
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It's going to be a steady stream of "this housewife figured out how to impeach trump with this one trick" crap very soon.
Tell me more about this housewife!
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Multiple correlations. Not just one. From one experiment. Multiple from multiple experiments attempting to test multiple facets of the same problem domain. Yes, correlation and causation are correlated! One more so than the other!
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Indeed, I was about to post that this was a typical “post hoc ergo propter hoc” fallacy, but you beat me to it.
In this particular instance, there is an obvious common cause: being open to artificial stimulations of the mind.
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... "staring at the sun may trigger improved gaming skills"...
You finally figured out how to get gamers Outside!
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There are different degrees of "may." Treating all uses of "may" as equivalent is intellectually dishonest, something you accuse the summary of. "Driving faster may increase risk of injuries in a crash" is more reasonable than "staring at the sun may trigger improved gaming skills", even if for the sake of argument the former isn't proven causation.
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The problem isn't the research. The problem is the sloppy reporting about the research.
For my part, I'd hypothesize that the more likely trigger is something else that is responsible for driving BOTH energy drink use and substance abuse. For instance, people who have their lives together generally have no reason to turn to energy drinks; they've structured their lives so that they don't need them. On the other hand, many folks are poor at sleep and time management, resulting in more stress as they move from
So... what the study found... (Score:5, Funny)
People who use stimulants are likely to use stimulants.
Where do I apply for money for such studies? I'm asking for a friend...
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Studies show that mothers breast milk is a gateway drug which leads to death.
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Hitler drank mother's milk. Think of the children.
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Tits aren't for little kids! Have some decency!
Re:So... what the study found... (Score:5, Interesting)
My thoughts exactly.
What's interesting to me is that in so far as I can tell they did not do any kind of comparison with regular old coffee, you know, the age old stimulant that's even more potent in caffeine than some energy drinks. As a curiosity this sort of panic over 'energy drinks' such as coffee is not new [wikipedia.org]
The arguments raised then were pretty much exactly the same as they're now with energy drinks, namely that 'oh the youth of today does nothing but sit at cafes sipping this brown liquid, it's going to make them decadent idiots and losers!"
As a Finn I do have to point out as the centuries long neighborhood 'feud' between us and the Old Kingdom necessitates that we've got the nr. 1 place in coffee consumption [worldatlas.com]. Filthy casuals. ;)
I've got to go now, my IV drip of Ecuadorian dark roast is running empty and the typing speed is falling to below 500 words a minute.
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I generally liked Finnish food (like blueberry soup, kotikalja, Karelian pies, Tupla, egg butter and omg the cloudberry, the cloudberry) when I worked there for a year or so, but I never really got the coffee obsession. Tea or herbal infusion fit the climate better, I think.
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Thank you, you have a fine taste, herr Falke.
Well, it's not exactly clear to us either why it's become as prominent as it has, but seriously the aforementioned bans from the age of Swedish rule affected it greatly. You see, even though we were loyal subjects of the kingdom for close to 8 cen
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At least we know now that drinking tea is "more dangerous" than drinking coffee.
Alas, and i mostly gave up drinking coffee and switched to green tee.
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I would like to be your friends guinea pig, and try the substances ;D
Maybe unrelated (Score:3)
Cool kids drink energy drinks, and they drink alcohol and they do party drugs. So conversely drinking energy drinks and alcohol and doing drugs makes you one of the cool kids, right? Only you'll never be one of the cool kids, because frankly you're just an imitating loser, only now you're also an addict, and a point in a statistic which has no basis in reality, and which is created by people who never experienced being one of the cool kids, or one of the addicts. Or possible was one of the addicts at one point, but got better and had their opinion of the cool kids turn sour. So now they're after the least prickly of the three - can't chase down the drugs, that doesn't work, and can't chase down the alcohol, that doesn't work either - DEATH TO ENERGY DRINKS!
substance use triggers energy drinks (Score:2)
O...K..... (Score:2)
Now look into sleep deprivation (Score:2)
How many of these people either work, study, or work and study to the point they're often tired and/or sleep deprived and use energy drinks as a crutch to keep going?
This doesn't surprise me... (Score:2)
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You're a muscular, first-rate intellect.
Thank you!
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Your shitty blog's definition of morbid obesity conflicts with the ASMBS definition [...]
I thought about updating that part of The Original Slashdot F.A.Q. [bit.ly], but I left it "as is" since it would piss off today's troll just as it pissed off the trolls from 11 years ago. Your angry response just proved that.
You're just another in-denial fatty who thinks that his pants are too tight [...]
My clothes fit fine. I buy them at Target just like everyone else.
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Every photo I've seen of you shows a too-small t-shirt stretched to just short of its tearing point over a mound of doughy fleshy, hairy man tits, and rolls of greasy back fat that bulge out around your arms.
Stereotype much?
I'd suggest you go shop at some of the "Destination XL" or "Big and Tall" stores - they have sizes up to 6x (maybe even higher, but they advertise up to 6x here), and they'd definitely have some tent canvas you could wrap around that belly.
ROFL
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I wrote, "Every photo I've seen of you shows a too-small t-shirt stretched to just short of its tearing point over a mound of doughy flesh, hairy man tits, and rolls of greasy back fat that bulge out around your arms." How is that a "stereotype"?
You're projecting on to my pictures what you think is a fat person. I wear 2XL t-shirt and Large gym shorts comfortably, nothing is "just short of its tearing point". What makes you think I have "hairy man tits" and "greasy back fat" when I'm wearing a t-shirt that exposes neither?
Once creimer starts rolling, his inertia can be very dangerous.
Again with the stereotype!
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No, no... We are SEEING a fat person.
No. You're seeing Fat Cartman.
http://www.punjabigraphics.com/images/17/fat-ass-south-park.jpg [punjabigraphics.com]
Yes, which explains the four inch wide band cutting into your flesh.
Thank you for acknowledging that I wear gym shorts and not a corset or girdle.
You're 47 and have no money for epilation or skin care?
Still clinging to that stereotype. How pathetic.
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Christopher Dale Reimer
Another failed attempt at INTIMIDATION. You think you're the first asshat to try this?
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I hope he isn't going to send a DMCA takedown against his own apartment management...
Keep failing at your repeated attempts of INTIMIDATION.
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Your own apartment complex publishing (public) floorpans of an apartment is intimidating how, exactly?
Because it's implied threat that you know where I live. That I should stop commenting on Slashdot before something bad happens. Under the law, it's called INTIMIDATION.
On a related note, don't bother sending any "packages" to my apartment. The ~30 suspicious packages I get each year are sent back unopened.
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Under California law, making criminal threats [...]
What part of the law. By doxing me on Slashdot, you're interfering with my constitutional right to express my opinion.
http://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-422-6.html [findlaw.com]
(a) No person, whether or not acting under color of law, shall by force or threat of force, willfully injure, intimidate, interfere with, oppress, or threaten any other person in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him or her by the Constitution or laws of this state or by the Constitution or laws of the United States in whole or in part because of one or more of the actual or perceived characteristics of the victim listed in subdivision (a) of Section 422.55.
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The paranoid interpretations [...]
I'm not being paranoid. Because I don't fit the Fat Cartman stereotype, some people take great offense at my existence. Death threats, fist fights and trolls are what I had to deal with over the years.
You are an intensely annoying person [...]
You would find me less annoying if you and your fellow trolls stopped this six-month campaign against me on Slashdot.
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Simply stating public information about you is not a threat.
Please explain why you find it necessary to search out public information about me and then re-post it here on Slashdot?
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You've told Slashdot where you live yourself - were you trying to intimidate yourself by doing so?
Only in most general terms. I never mentioned the apartment complex by name or the street address.
You told Slashdot about your Uncle "Hive-fucker" Reimer. You've told Slashdot about your mother's drinking problem, your father's disappointment with you for wanting to pursue a less "manly" career.
But I never mentioned their names.
You've told Slashdot about your years of special ed, your failures in college, your struggles with weight loss.
Also in the most general terms. I'm surprised no one tried to pull my college transcripts. But I guess that's harder than getting my credit report.
Given all of that, why the FUCK are you even remotely surprised anybody is going to repeat that information back to you when trolling you?
Because decent human beings don't do that. Of course, trolls are neither decent nor human.
You feed the trolls, and then you complain about their continued existence. What's your diagnosis, exactly?
Content creator. ;)
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What information do you imagine was only available about you via your credit report, that you'd assume somebody fraudulently obtained it?
I was asked which two specific street names did I previously lived at in the past. That type of question is typically reserved for verification of credit report information. One of the street names was ONLY available on a credit report because it was related to identity theft.
If you don't like that that information is available about you, you should probably investigate ways of opting out of online services that list & catalog that data.
I'm a bit surprised how widespread my personal information via public records is on third-party websites. That wasn't the case several years ago. Back then you had to visit the government websites to pull my information.
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Please explain why you feel it necessary to SAY so much personal information about yourself here on Slashdot that it's TRIVIAL to find out everything about you?
When your life is an open book, it makes blackmail attempts impossible. Yes, people tried unsuccessfully to blackmail me. No, I'm not being paranoid.
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I'm older than he is, I work out in the morning, and it energizes me! I can't fall asleep after my workout.
I haven't taken a nap all week. Probably because the weather has cooled down and I'm too busy working.
creimer's headed for the ER soon...
So I've been told for the last 40+ years.
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Maybe they're on to something?
I didn't drop dead when I was [10 | 20 | 30 | 40]-years-old. I suspect 50 will come and go without incident, as I'm in better health today than I have been in decades.
Oh, for eff's sake, here it goes again... (Score:2)
I hate energy drinks. Diggusting. Having said that, this study is another one of those "look at the study!" pieces of garbage.
I'd love to see a study done at some University about how people with an increased desire for a high intake of sugary products on a regular basis have a higher tendency toward substance abuse. How about that one?
War on Drugs (Score:2)
Legal way to put crap in your body (Score:2)
Makes sense. (Score:3)
There's a particularly nasty case of ADHD on one of my parents family's, on the other multigenerational alcoholism.
It's as if the two families were in competition for which side can screw their lives up the most. Knowing this from an early age I've always been careful to avoid ending up in any kind of dependency situation. I'll keep alcohol consumption limited to 2 or 3 drinks, and refuse any non-prescription drug, heck I even avoid painkillers.
Personally I've noticed a real sensitivity to things as simple as sugar messing with my moods. I can have a soda or juice and a short time later "What the heck am I saying??" Yep, there was corn syrup in that.
So definitely, I'm the people in the article, who can't even have an energy drink without increasing their chance for ending up in heated arguments, lack of impulse control and general sketchy behavior.
At least I've never been arrested.
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You're right, my meth head cousins are so brave. Just like my imprisoned brother. Nobody told him what to do. Being the only undivorced person in my generation is so boring, I hate my life, hand me the Red Bull. Gonna get CRAZAAAY.
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Props. The world needs more like you.
(It looked possibly insincere when posted as AC.)
non-hispanic white??? (Score:2)
Is a hispanic white a different race than non-hispanic white? Both have the same genetic background after all.
How are the genes from a white person that grew up in Montevideo Uruguay any different than the ones of a white person that grew up in Minnesota?
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Hispanics are either white or not. Depending on what statistical lie is being told that day and by who. Non-hispanic white is just removing the ambiguity.
Addictive behavior indicates addictive behavior: (Score:2)
Future abuse? (Score:2)
From what I've seen of the users of energy drinks many of them are already abusing drugs, caffeine and whatever else is in those drinks.
Substance (Score:2)
Water (Score:2)
Legislation to make COFFEE Sched. 1 (Score:2)
Seems like a couple times a year shitty 'studies' like this get into the news, but they never talk about coffee, now do they? Or No-Doz, which you can buy at any grocery store, and nobody is going t
Sensation seeking (Score:2)
Opposite of "sensation seeking" would be "sensation avoiding". Wouldn't it? Perhaps "sensation-indifferent". Or maybe "numbness seeking".
When did "sensation seeking" become a symptom of a mental disorder?
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Water is wet... or is it? (Score:2)
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12... [nytimes.com]
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Be careful. Those are gateway drinks. You'll be sucking cocks for Irish coffee before you know it.