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Third Gravitational Wave Detected From Black-Hole Merger 3 Billion Light Years Away (bbc.com) 83

sycodon quotes a report from The New York Times (Warning: may be paywalled; alternate source): Astronomers said Thursday that they had felt space-time vibrations known as gravitational waves from the merger of a pair of mammoth black holes resulting in a pit of infinitely deep darkness weighing as much as 49 suns, some 3 billion light-years from here. This is the third black-hole smashup that astronomers have detected since they started keeping watch on the cosmos back in September 2015, with LIGO, the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory. All of them are more massive than the black holes that astronomers had previously identified as the remnants of dead stars. The latest detection was made at 10:11 GMT on January 4, and is described in a paper accepted for publication in the journal Physical Review Letters. "The analysis suggests the two black holes that coalesced had starting masses that were just over 31 times and 19 times that of our Sun," reports BBC. "And when they finally came together, they produced a single object of a little under 49 solar masses. It means the unison radiated a simply colossal quantity of pure energy."
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Third Gravitational Wave Detected From Black-Hole Merger 3 Billion Light Years Away

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    and a long long time ago.

    • far far away and a long long time ago.

      Pleonasm.

      • I do wonder what "pure energy" means. There are lots of kinds of energy but they are always tied to something physical (matter, photons,...). So what exactly is "pure energy"? Does that even mean anything?

        • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02, 2017 @05:57AM (#54532905)

          "pure energy" = anything other than the energy due to the rest mass of a particle. So kinetic energy, gravitational field energy, and electromagnetic field energy (including photons) are "pure energy". An electron is not a form of "pure energy". A proton isn't pure energy either (although strictly speaking, most of the mass of a proton is due to the energy in its gluon field, which really is pure energy by the definition I gave. But just ignore that.)

          In the end, pure energy is just to distinguish between matter and everything else. There is no deep meaning behind it. Consider an atomic bomb explosion. The light, heat, and sound produced is pure energy. The fallout is not pure energy.

        • Energy beings of this universe are such fascist matterists. Just read Fred Pohl...
    • by quenda ( 644621 ) on Friday June 02, 2017 @03:46AM (#54532505)

      "I felt a minuscule disturbance in the gravitational force. I fear something terrible has happened."

      • Paris agreement?
        • by quenda ( 644621 ) on Friday June 02, 2017 @05:00AM (#54532753)

          A collision briefing putting out more power than the rest of the observable universe, wiping out who knows how many intelligent civilisations in an instant. Kind of puts the Trump thing in perspective, I suppose.

          • A collision briefing putting out more power than the rest of the observable universe, wiping out who knows how many intelligent civilisations in an instant. Kind of puts the Trump thing in perspective, I suppose.

            When nations collide, they wipe out who knows how many innocent lives in an instant.

          • by tohoward ( 78757 )

            Ha! I am in no way as rabidly anti-Trump as some of the people around here, but even I have to ask "Which Trump thing?"

  • That https://journals.aps.org/prl/a... [aps.org] was one hard read, here's one from LIGO explaining gravity waves and their detection http://ligo.org/science/Public... [ligo.org]

    The second LIGO detector is like 20 miles away, so when a gravity wave comes by I know I felt it :)

    • The second LIGO detector is like 20 miles away, so when a gravity wave comes by I know I felt it :)

      The second LIGO detector is like 20 miles away, so when a gravity wave comes by I know I caused it :)

      "He who felt it . . . dealt it!"

  • One solar mass of energy.

  • Do you ever wonder if physicists use correlations as causation to turn theories into facts? That's actually what you're not supposed to do. It's kind of like how some psychologists a long time ago tried to say Galvanometers (a lot like the grip measuring arcade machines) could be used to measure intelligence. All the rich people that could afford it are...drum-roll...geniuses! I don't remember the exact name of it or who, but the idea was that the more electrical activity, the better the brain. And in this
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      What makes you think the experiment depends on the gravitational constant being stable? What makes you think the folk at LIGO are waiting for you to explain the correlation/causation fallacy to them? What makes you think that gravitational waves are somehow linked to "electrical activity"? What makes you think that scientific projects with no immediate utility can survive without grants? What makes you think the entire purpose of science is to avoid doubt?

      I have a lot of questions.

      • The electrical activity part was alluding to how inventions often utilize zeitgeist as efficacy without much proof. But to answer your out-of-context question, electromagnetic waves can show-up by tugging of massive bodies the same way that gravitational waves are produced. However, gravitational waves are ridiculously weaker than electromagnetism, so it does not surprise me if there are confounding variables between Earth and 3 BILLION LIGHT YEARS away. But, it's okay because I've learned that AC's typical

  • "The analysis suggests the two black holes that coalesced had starting masses that were just over 31 times and 19 times that of our Sun," And when they finally came together, they produced a single object of a little under 49 solar masses

    So, as a non-physicist, I have to ask what happened to the one remaining unit of solar mass since you started off with just over 50 units? I'd appreciate a serious answer, but I'm grabbing popcorn in anticipation of the normal /. replies.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Simple - it turned into energy, via E=mc^2, in the form of gravitational waves. Yes, that's a colossal amount of energy, and it's the reason why we were actually able to detect it from here.
    • Re:Question (Score:4, Interesting)

      by pz ( 113803 ) on Friday June 02, 2017 @09:05AM (#54533647) Journal

      The missing mass was radiated away as waves in the gravitational field of the black holes. Think of it this way: when a black hole is static (relative to the total mean gravitational field of the rest of the observable universe) nothing much happens. If, somehow, a black hole were to start vibrating back and forth, it would be tugging at EVERYTHING, and moving EVERYTHING, back and forth. So the movement of the black hole is radiated out into movement of the universe, through dilations in space-time.

      Now, every mass that moves does the same thing, but most masses are small enough that they don't much affect anything beyond a small distance. Black holes are big enough that they do have a measurable effect, even at enormous distances.

      Think of the energy that gets released by an earthquake: it gets turned into shaking of big, massive things. That energy eventually turns into heat, but during the release: low-frequency shaking of things with great mass, mostly through semi-rigid coupling (which, ultimately, mostly means through electric fields). The same is happening with two black holes as they merge: they shed energy in the form of shaking everything else as they spiral inward.

      At least that's as much as my non-physics-PhD head has been able to understand. I hope that someone who actually knows will be able to correct it.

    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      M&A fees charged by Goldman Sachs.

  • Can someone explain to me how a non-direction, non-distance sensing device determined the direction and distance of a black hole merger that caused the waves because that sounds like absolute nonsense. A more accurate reading from it would be that they sensed gravitational waves but they could have been from absolutely anything anywhere and pinning down the source is impossible.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The distance can be derived from the combination of the amplitude and the degree of redshift of the signal. The direction can be extracted (to some extent) from the delay between the arrival times at the two detectors. When the third detector in Italy is added, they will be able to to pinpoint it to a spot on the sky.

      • <pedantry style="Well, technically, ...">

        Three detectors would allow for narrowing the location to two points in the sky. Imagine three spheres surrounding the detectors with radii equal to the delay in their measurements of the same event: 0 for the first, c*t1 for the second, and c*t2 for the third with c being the speed of light. The line perpendicular to the plane that is tangent to all three spheres indicates the direction of the gravity wave's origin. But, there are two planes that fit the spher

  • Be sure to watch Veritasium's latest video [youtube.com] on this.

  • Second detection

    Date: December 26, 2015
    Mass of first black hole: 14.2 solar masses
    Mass of second black hole: 7.5 solar masses
    Merged mass: 20.8 solar masses

    Third detection

    Date: January 4, 2017
    Mass of first black hole: 31.2 solar masses
    Mass of second black hole: 19.4 solar masses
    Merged mass: 48.7 solar masses

    LIGO snags another set of gravitational waves [sciencenews.org]

    Astrophysicists don't fully understand how such big black holes could have formed. But now, "it seems that these are not so uncommon, so clearly there's a way

  • I can't even get my head around what "weight" actually means in the context of a black hole, but assuming it even has weight, it seems to me that 49 suns must be a massive underestimate for a supermassive black hole given that both black holes that formed it have already been vaccuming up stars, suns and everything else for millions if not billions of years.

  • Astronomers said Thursday that they had felt space-time vibrations known as gravitational waves from the merger of a pair of mammoth black holes resulting in a pit of infinitely deep darkness weighing as much as 49 suns, some 3 billion light-years from here.

    Pit of infinitely deep darkness, huh? There's some serious hyperbole.

    Wrong too [wikipedia.org] But why let facts get in the way of over the top hyperbole.
  • Sounds just like my ex-wife's soul! Ba dump dump spish!

    Anyway just laughing a bit of the creative description... How is it any more of "pit of infinitely deep darkness" than one black hole. Infinity x 2 bitches! Sounds like something you say as a kid to one up your friend who just said shotgun times infinity to get the front seat....

  • "The analysis suggests the two black holes that coalesced had starting masses that were just over 31 times and 19 times that of our Sun," reports BBC. "And when they finally came together, they produced a single object of a little under 49 solar masses. It means the unison radiated a simply colossal quantity of pure energy."

    I'm calling bullshit that Superman can hold one of these in his hand.

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