Humans Accidentally Made a Space Cocoon For Ourselves Out of Radio Waves (vice.com) 137
An anonymous reader shares a Motherboard article: Humans have accidentally created a protective bubble around Earth by using very low frequency (VLF) radio transmissions to contact submarines in the ocean. It sounds nuts, but according to recent research published in Space Science Reviews, underwater communication through VLF channels has an outer space dimension. This video explainer, released by NASA on Wednesday, visualizes how radio waves wafting into space interact with the particles surrounding Earth, and influence their motion. Satellites in certain high-altitude orbits, such as NASA's particle-watching Van Allen Probes, have observed these VLF ripples creating an 'impenetrable boundary,' a phrase coined by study co-author Dan Baker, director of the University of Colorado's Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics. This doesn't mean impenetrable to spacecraft or asteroids, per se, but rather to potentially harmful particle showers created by turbulent space weather.
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This might make Mars habitation more feasible. (Score:5, Interesting)
If you can get people there without the proteins in their brain being denatured by radiation, maybe you could keep them that way for extended periods without their brains turning into scrambled eggs.
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This is only a test.
[annoying high frequency noise that older people can't even hear properly]
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If you can get people there without the proteins in their brain being denatured by radiation, maybe you could keep them that way for extended periods without their brains turning into scrambled eggs.
It's too late for that. Just look what 20 years of FOX "News" has done to brains of millions...
Roger Ailes is dead but only after he left Fox so perhaps you need to be close to the source to have scrambled brains & a long life
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If you can get people there without the proteins in their brain being denatured by radiation, maybe you could keep them that way for extended periods without their brains turning into scrambled eggs.
It's too late for that. Just look what 20 years of FOX "News" has done to brains of millions...
Roger Ailes is dead but only after he left Fox so perhaps you need to be close to the source to have scrambled brains & a long life
mmm... scrambled brains....
Re:This might make Mars habitation more feasible. (Score:4, Funny)
If you can get people there without the proteins in their brain being denatured by radiation, maybe you could keep them that way for extended periods without their brains turning into scrambled eggs.
It wouldn't work on Mars because there are no oceans to put Submarines in to communicate with.
/ yes I'm being facetious.
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But if they are boring, why would they bother communicating?
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Americans will build the best submarines on Mars. We know space submarines; we do fantastic work; everyone knows that.
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Re:This might make Mars habitation more feasible. (Score:5, Informative)
1) Don't worry about the core, it'll last. It's currently at ~5000K and will be at ~4950K in a billion years... which is about 300M years after the surface will be baked sterile by the Sun.
2) Even so... it would take a LONG time for the solar wind to strip our atmosphere away. And in fact, it turns out we were wrong about the effect of the Earth's magnetic field; it is actually helping the solar wind heat and strip the atmosphere. At current depletion rates, it's estimated to be good for another 4 billion years or so. That's more than 3 billion years after the planet is baked and around the time it'll be engulfed by the Sun.
We really don't need to worry about the core, its magnetic field, or the density of the planetary atmosphere.
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Don't worry about the core, it'll last. It's currently at ~5000K and will be at ~4950K in a billion years...
Wait a second. The core is cooling? Does Al Gore know about this?
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Anonymous Coward = "Blah, blah, blah..."
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Sounds like we need this to surround the White House. If it is that impenetrable, maybe it can be used to seal that piece of shit off from the rest of the world before he does any more damage.
And make Trump pay for it!
There is an alternate technology for that... (Score:2)
Or anyone who's forgotten their wife's birthday (Score:3, Funny)
Or anyone who's forgotten their wife's birthday. Amirite?
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One would have to be quite stupid to acquire a wife, in the modern day.
Re:Or anyone who's forgotten their wife's birthday (Score:5, Interesting)
Well since the frequency of your wife's birthday is around 1/31536000 Hz, you can always say you rounded that event to zero, which means that while you never tell her "happy birthday" it also means she never ages.
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Because the impenetrable layer is penetrable.
Can it help on Mars and moon? (Score:3)
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Re:Can it help on Mars and moon? (Score:5, Informative)
Peeked at TFA, sounds like it amplifies an existing Van Allen belt. Probably doesn't work surgically. Probably impossible to set up a belt on other planets with known tech, but I don't know belts and maybe a mild one can be synthesized, then amplified. I imagine the scale/distribution of radio emitters required isn't too impossible since we did it accidentally.
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but I don't know belts
try one, your pants will thank you.
Obligatory Star Wars Quote (Score:2)
"Now Witness the Firepower of this fully Armed and Operational Earth!"
Humpback Whales (Score:2)
Is this how they lost contact with their alien overlords?
Up in the air Jr. Birdmen ... (Score:2)
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Maybe a first step in terraforming Mars. And does this "shield" keep particles in as well as out? If it works both ways it could help prevent atmospheric depletion and allow bulking up the atmosphere on celestial bodies that have lost their magnetic fields. Lake Armstrong here we come! And maybe even generation ships crossing interstellar distances.
Would it work without the magnetic field of the earth? It appears to be interacting with Earth's magnetic field. Mars has a much weaker magnetic field, I don't know if the magnetic field is important for it to work, if it is, this wouldn't work on Mars.
Very Large Transmitter (Score:5, Interesting)
Makes me wonder if, now knowing this, we could engineer the effect to, say, mitigate the effects of solar flares on our various technologies?
No Star Trek reference yet? (Score:5, Insightful)
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They need an emergency ramp up button (Score:2)
fermi paradox (Score:2)
(This sounds like an episode of The X-Files.)
So the real answer to the Fermi Paradox is... Before a coronal mass ejection hits the planet, civilization has to have developed... submarines. Well, *that's* counter-intuitive.
Nothing New Here (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Nothing New Here (COR) (Score:2)
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The ground based VLF antennas have efficiency in the 10-50%, and so radiated power levels appear to be in the kilowatt to low megawatt range, according to the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Hm (Score:2)
Considering the major impact that the solar wind has on high level ozone concentrations and cloud formation that we're only beginning to understand, one might wonder how much of an impact this may be having on global temperature.
BTW, that linked video was pretty nearly worthless explaining anything.
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Terrible cartoon, and the short feature article wasn't much better. I guess we have to find the full report, somewhere.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/g... [nasa.gov]
Couldn't happen at a better time (Score:1)
Since our magnetic shield is almost toast right now, this really is GOOD news. I, for one. don't care to be bombarded with high energy protons, and right now the sun has been loosing them on us at a furious pace...
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I think the black obelisk told us to develop this space blanket for the space baby.
Re: Interesting... (Score:4, Funny)
Has nothing to do with monoliths. Has all to do with HAARP and geoengineering in collusion with the Russians who shared their chemtrail technology originally with the Reagan administration and now with TRUMP. TRUMP and the Russians are wholly owned by Reptilian Zionist Jews who want to eradicate the surface of the earth of "space pork," aka humans possessed by Mohammed promising 1024 virgins (joke's on Slashdot), Mohammed actually being a yerk slug and mind control virus created by Vindoor and delivered by his moon pod to paralyze us all.
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You misspelled 'interfere' TWICE in TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAYS!!! Are you fucking retarded? Jesus, end my life. I can't live in a world filled with such morons. FUCK!
And you are an Anonymous Coward, i'll take the bad speller any day over pedantic people like you.
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Re:Interesting... (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, that, and a bowl of petunias.
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Weaponized = removed. Why haven't the terrorists done that yet? Blow all of those VLF RF emission devices to pieces and they'll scare and harm Humans until their deity is appeased enough to give them enough virgins to last about two and a half months! That's right, one a day for almost two and a half months! Get your terror on today! Psh.
Re:Beginning of shield technology? (Score:5, Informative)
Perhaps if we can emit VLF radiation at very high frequency
If we emit Very Low Frequency radiation at very high frequency it won't be very low frequency any more.
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But it would still be very low frequency as far as high frequency goes.
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Mediocre Frequency?
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Ludicrous Frequency!
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A plaid shield!
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Is it opposites day? ;)
Re:Beginning of shield technology? (Score:5, Funny)
Perhaps if we can emit VLF radiation at very high frequency
If we emit Very Low Frequency radiation at very high frequency it won't be very low frequency any more.
Hmmm... Ok. So we can't increase the frequency, but what if we just took this Very Low Frequency radiation and shortened the wavelength?
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Perhaps if we can emit VLF radiation at very high frequency
If we emit Very Low Frequency radiation at very high frequency it won't be very low frequency any more.
Hmmm... Ok. So we can't increase the frequency, but what if we just took this Very Low Frequency radiation and shortened the wavelength?
Or you could change the Lambda instead.
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Perhaps if we can emit VLF radiation at very high frequency
If we emit Very Low Frequency radiation at very high frequency it won't be very low frequency any more.
Hmmm... Ok. So we can't increase the frequency, but what if we just took this Very Low Frequency radiation and shortened the wavelength?
Or you could change the Lambda instead.
That only works infrequently at best.
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Perhaps if we can emit VLF radiation at very high frequency
If we emit Very Low Frequency radiation at very high frequency it won't be very low frequency any more.
Hmmm... Ok. So we can't increase the frequency, but what if we just took this Very Low Frequency radiation and shortened the wavelength?
Sounds too complicated. How about we fluctuate the mass of earth instead [wikipedia.org]?
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So we can't increase the frequency, but what if we just took this Very Low Frequency radiation and shortened the wavelength?
The resulting change of the speed of light would make every day a slow news day.
In other words, a slashdotter wouldn't notice!
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But then it just Hertz more.
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Maybe we could increase the Amplitude?
Re: Mars! (Score:2)
That's what I'm wondering... could this be used to wrap Mars in a protective space blanket to protect its atmosphere from solar wind? If so, that's a pretty huge step in teraforming.
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Imagine n transmitters each transmitting at a low frequency f, starting at t0 + ndt such that sum ndt = f. As n goes to infinity we have VLF cacophony.
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But what if we turned it up to 11?
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I honestly can tell that you didn't actually read what you wrote.
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Or invert the polarity. Or modulate the frequency.
Re:Beginning of shield technology? (Score:5, Funny)
Could we modulate the polarity?
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Could we modulate the polarity?
Two transmitters, same freq. but 180 degrees out of phase.
It may cancel out or it might do something interesting...
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I think that's how my Bose QC25 work....
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That's it, reverse the polarity on the space positron emitter.
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Could I emit VLF radiation by rubbing a balloon on my head then waving it about in a vaguely sinusoidal motion? :D