First Signs of Obesity In Some Arctic Groups Have Been Linked To Instant Noodles (sciencealert.com) 242
schwit1 quotes a report from ScienceAlert: Researchers have noted the first signs of obesity in the native ethnic groups of the Yamalo-Nenets region -- an autonomous district that sits on the coast of the Arctic Ocean in Northwest Siberia. According to local experts, obesity has not previously existed in these indigenous populations, but the first cases are now being reported, and a marked change in diet -- including instant noodles and pasta -- appears to be responsible. The Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug has a population of just over 522,000 people, whose ancestors have survived the permafrost for millennia. The nomadic Nenets and Khanty peoples have been herding reindeer up and down the Yamal tundra -- a 700-km-long peninsula that stretches deep into the Arctic Ocean -- for 1,000 years, with diets heavily based on venison and fish. But that appears to be changing fast, as researchers note the increasing uptake of chemically processed foods, such as instant noodles and pasta, and the addition of sugar, pastry, and bread to their diets. According to Titovsky, these changes -- which have only been occurring over the past few years -- have seen the intake of venison and river fish cut by half.
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Eat Fat, Get Thin -- Refined carbs makes you fat (Score:5, Informative)
https://www.amazon.com/Eat-Fat... [amazon.com]
"Many of us have long been told that fat makes us fat, contributes to heart disease, and generally erodes our health. Now a growing body of research is debunking our fat-phobia, revealing the immense health and weight-loss benefits of a high-fat diet rich in eggs, nuts, oils, avocados, and other delicious super-foods."
Don't forget your veggies though!!! And there are many plant sources of protein and fat...
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https://www.amazon.com/Eat-Fat... [amazon.com]
"Many of us have long been told that fat makes us fat, contributes to heart disease, and generally erodes our health. Now a growing body of research is debunking our fat-phobia, revealing the immense health and weight-loss benefits of a high-fat diet rich in eggs, nuts, oils, avocados, and other delicious super-foods."
Don't forget your veggies though!!! And there are many plant sources of protein and fat...
Most plant sources of fats and proteins are also full of carbohydrates, putting them in the same position.
Another good book is "Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health" by Gary Taubes:
https://www.amazon.com/Good-Ca... [amazon.com]
In it, he shows that the research has *always* showed that carbs make you fat, and dietary fat isn't the culprit. Not only research, but a body of circumstantial evidence so huge that it can't be ignored. The linked article here is the sort o
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Animal fat gives you heart disease.
Don't eat animal fat.
Vegetable fat is fine.
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Interesting. Instant ramen is cooked in vegetable fat before is is packaged and sold.
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My personal anecdote, my grandmother, of eastern European descent, ate potatoes, in some form, with nearly every meal (EWWW CARBS), and nearly every day would eat sausage or low grade, hi fat cuts of pork or beef (jowls etc...), for lunch and dinner... Also lots of cabbage, turnips, and vegetables of that type...
lived to be 98, and was physically and cognitively intact all but the last 5 years or so.
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Animal fat gives you heart disease.
Science does not support your claim, though there are plenty of people who think it does.
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Killed by cheap ramen, I'm not surprised.
I'm not ready to blame the grain, it might all be the cook's fault here.
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meat good, grain bad.
You are extrapolating madly, here. Firstly, what they have been living on in the past has been wild caught fish and deers, not pork and beef from some cattle factory, where they have been reared on antibiotics, growth hormones and heavily processed animal feed.
Secondly, people who swear by the fad diets like the high-fat diet and the socalled paleo diet generally ignore the fact that when we were mostly foragers, scavengers or hunter-gatherers, we would have lived on sparse resources, and would have eaten a
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You make several baseless (or at least unsupported) assumptions. There's no scientific evidence that pork or beef is less healthy than venison. Cancers feed on sugar, so reducing blood sugar is a good thing.
My own experience has been that reducing carbs and increasing meat and other vegetables does result in weight loss.
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Instant noodles are to grain as fat is to meat... missing the "meat" of the nutrition.
If you ate only fat, you would get fat. If you eat only white flour and fat, you would get fat.
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As another Greek Orthodox Christian, you seemed to have completely forgotten about another food group: vegetables
I don't understand why everyone forgets about them. You see food studies with people abstaining from meat and increasing their grains and veggies and their health improves. Then you see studies with people abstaining from gains and increasing their meat and veggies and their health improves. Clearly the two constants in those 'conflicting' studies is: increased vegetable consumption improves h
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I'm not Greek, Orthodox, or Christian, but I agree with you 100%. Our bodies are designed to digest mainly vegetable based food. There's a whole bunch of crappy side-effects from eating too much meat, even if many people have lost weight on higher protein diets.
The main problem is too-much grain though. Not just in our food, but when we eat animals, the grains they consume. Grains contain different composition of fats than leaves or roots of plants and this gets passed up the food chain. There is a maj
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Our bodies are designed to digest mainly vegetable based food. There's a whole bunch of crappy side-effects from eating too much meat, even if many people have lost weight on higher protein diets.
Most vegetables are leafy, and offer very little calories. Big starchy vegetables are a fairly modern invention. And high meat diet doesn't mean high protein. You should eat the fatty parts, especially.
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I'm not Greek, Orthodox, or Christian, but I agree with you 100%. Our bodies are designed to digest mainly vegetable based food.
Designed by whom?
Before you answer that, note that vegetables that can provide enough calories that you can actually survive off of are a fairly recent invention, and most of them can't even grow without human intervention.
If you disagree, then go to camp out in the woods and tell me how many plants you can find that you could survive off of for a whole year (spoiler: There aren't any. Sure, you might find some berries or leaves to munch on, but the amount of calories you'd need to forage for them would nev
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I do like the idea of more cabbage.
Cabbage is highly underrated- there needs to be more cabbage in the world!
Changing subsidies from corn to cabbage would be great or even my preferred solution of getting rid of subsidies all together. But it's not going to happen, and if it happens, it'll be under a D-team administration at this rate and get shouted down as politically correct vegan hipster &c &c
Yeah, and it doesn't really need to be just cabbages (cabbages can't take the heat in much of the country during warmer months, that was just an example... vegetables in general).
I understand the idea of subsidizing farming. It's more than just "poor farmers can't make enough money", or "we need more green spaces". What it really comes down to is national defense. A country needs to be able to be self-sufficient with food in case
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Pasta is about 90% pasta and 10% sauce. I wouldn't even suggest putting them together.
That's like calling pizza a vegetable.
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So... (Score:4, Funny)
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Noodles for nerds?
I'm quite certain there have been plenty of examples throughout history of brilliant late-night inspiration and breakthroughs, fueled by Nerds and Noodles.
Rumor has it Steve Jobs invented the iMac after snorting several lines of ramen seasoning packets...
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Yes. Because, it's stuff that matters.
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Ingested carbs need to go somewhere. Brain consumes a bit, and the remaining part is the problem. If one has enough physical activity, carbs get burned in muscles. Otherwise, they are converted into fat, or remain in bloodstream (this is diabetes) until cleared by kidneys. Of course it is also possible to get both fat and diabetes.
need to go somewhere (Score:4, Informative)
Ingested carbs need to go somewhere. Brain consumes a bit, and the remaining part is the problem. If one has enough physical activity, carbs get burned in muscles. Otherwise, they are converted into fat,
not quite.
carbs don't just stay here waiting (like gaz in a car's tank)
body will process them, depending on tons of hormonal messages.
carbs will get used and making fat is only one of the possibility the body will choose.
e.g.: if you do sports, not only will you burn carbs for energy during the sport, but you will raise the level of some growth hormone, encouraging your body to use the available resources to build more mudcles instead of storing them in long term.
remain in bloodstream (this is diabetes) until cleared by kidneys.
huh.. Nope. not at all.
diabetis is absolutely not "the excess sugar in the blood".
diabetes is mainly the signaling pathway that normally orders the uptake of the sugar being broken.
the two types of diabetis are due to which step of the pathway is broken .
(either the production of insulin, or the receptors that should.detect it)
the fact that people who overeat have an increased risk of diabetis isnt due to extra sugar staying in the blood, it's due to the body getting desensitized tobthe insuline (mainly because to avoid having extra sugar in the blood the body will secrete extra insulin, but over time that extra insulin will down regulate the receptors, leading to the oathway not working that well anymore) (also fat tissue also secrete it's own signaling hormones. obese patients have so much of fat, that they produce excessive amiunt of some hormone and their signaling disturbs other pathway)
so excess sugar isn't the cause of diabetes (and is actually correctly compensated at the beginning) it's the result of an insulin pathway that got fucked up, e.g. by the bad eating habits.
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so excess sugar isn't the cause of diabetes (and is actually correctly compensated at the beginning) it's the result of an insulin pathway that got fucked up, e.g. by the bad eating habits.
bad eating habits = too much sugar,
When you eat too much sugar, the body produces more insulin to force the sugar into the cells, cells get too much sugar, and reduce their insulin sensitivity. After a while, you see blood sugar rise, but the damage has already been going on for years, usually.
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bad eating habits = too much sugar,
When you eat too much sugar, the body produces more insulin to force the sugar into the cells, cells get too much sugar, and reduce their insulin sensitivity. After a while, you see blood sugar rise, but the damage has already been going on for years, usually.
For added precision :
bad eating habits :
- high calorie intake (too much sugar and fat) : drives obesity up.
- too much *glucose*, i.e. *processed* sugar (In everyday's terms: pure sugar. Like the sugar-cubes equivalent in a soda can. As opposed to complex glucose polymers fibers, as found in nuts) and/or *very small low complexity oligomers* (starch. Like white bread. It doesn't taste sweet at all (there's very little actual pure sugar inside) but the starch gets broken up *extemely fast into glucose* during digestion. As opposed to whole grain bread which takes a bit more time. And as opposed to nuts, as mentionned above : their fibers takes a long time to digest).
When the glucose absoption is too fast (because the sugar is alredy processed as glucose, or because the starch gets digested too quickly),
the body keeps the blood glucose concentration low by quickly releasing peaks of insulin.
(Compare with eating nuts : they get digested into glucose extremely slowly and thus the glucose only enters the body drip by drip. Insulin only needs to be raised very slightly above basal level) (As a consequence, a type 1 diabetic doesn't usually give a fuck about nuts and doesn't need to take them into account when computing insulin injection dose)
This *very sudden* and *very high* rise of insulin causes :
- nearly all cells in the body will down-regulate their insulin receptors. They become more insulin resisting (eventually devolving into type 2 diabetes). And eventually glucose rises as a consequence.
The lone exception is the brain which use an entire different pathway (does not depend on insulin at all) and still keeps getting its sugar. (And this is part of the reasons why diabetes is much more destructive than fasting / any other protein-high diets)
- the high level of insulin also work as hormone and signal to the body. It encourages creating even more fat tissue storage (as opposed to use the sugar to build muscle mass). This worsens the obesity, which in turn works as a positive feedback, and is also a cause of heart diseases.
Once insulin resistance sets in :
- glucose remain in excess in the blood
- due to high concerntration you pee a lot (hence the name diabetis)
- as it doesn't enter in the cells (except the brain) the rest of the body thinks that it doesn't have any, and thus bruns fat and proteins instead, tries to synthetise glucose out of these, and asks the liver (through glucagon) to release some of the glucose from the reserves in the liver.
- but non of this extra glucose (synthetised or release) is of any help : the insulin still won't bring it in.
Damage comes from :
- High concentration of glucose. (Body has problems keeping the osmolarity of the blood). This eventually leads to blood vessels walls being damaged.
(Diabetes is mainly a blood vessel disease, mediated by the glucose concentration).
- Ketonic bodies toxicity. Because glucose can't enter most of the body, it's as if there was none and the body was fasting. In absence of (available) glucose, the body cells start to burn fat as an energy source (this requires to burn proteins as a by product of a missing reaction)
(this also produces ketonic bodies. These are toxic. Under normal circumstance (someone on a high protein, low carb diet), the brain cell would eat it and burn it as fuel source. But here the brain has access to plenty of glucose (remember : brain uses a different pathway to get its glucose and isn't affected by glucose) and thus will keep burning glucose, instead of burning ketonic bodies. These therefore accumulate and they end up being toxic)
Note:
- The above only concerns *glucose*.
- This doesn't concern al
Subsistance?? (Score:5, Informative)
Nowhere in the article does it mention how many of these villagers were on the constant edge of starvation prior to having access to a more varied diet. It does mention they do shorter foraging routes than they did 25 years ago, but doesn't mention how that would reasonably mean they would starve without outside sources of food. Oh, and then there's the nugget that they are BETTER at digesting carbs and sugars than Europeans, which leads them to eat significantly more..
This article is full of lies and half truths subby!
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Life expectancy previously was 45-50 years but the low life expectancy wasn't necessarily directly related to diet. High childhood mortality due to accidents, binge drinking, and suicide all have high prevalence. Lack of internet porn and Starbucks also contributes to the low expectancy.
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Nowhere in the article does it mention how many of these villagers were on the constant edge of starvation prior to having access to a more varied diet. It does mention they do shorter foraging routes than they did 25 years ago, but doesn't mention how that would reasonably mean they would starve without outside sources of food. Oh, and then there's the nugget that they are BETTER at digesting carbs and sugars than Europeans, which leads them to eat significantly more..
This article is full of lies and half truths subby!
In modern times, they have not been on the constant edge of starvation.
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High calorie diets amount elite athletes is common place. A top cyclist (whether on drugs or not) will also consume in excess of 10,000 calories a day and they don't particularly expose themselves to either cold or significant periods of immersion in water.
It's the counter point to the myth that exercise does not help you loose weight. Yes it does, you just have to do enough of it.
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Exercise leads to increased appetite, so the net weight loss is usually small, because people will just eat the calories they've lost.
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No soda tax please. If you really think soda is that harmful, stop letting companies sell it. Imposing something like a soda tax leads to politicians doing their subtle best to increase soda consumption so they can have more of our money.
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Yeah, then do the same with booze. Wow, how come nobody has thought of this before? We'll be so healthy!
Re:and so the cycle continues. (Score:5, Informative)
Yeah, then do the same with booze. Wow, how come nobody has thought of this before? We'll be so healthy!
Alcohol taxes reduce consumption [nih.gov] and reduce incidents of drunk driving. There is no reason to believe that a "sugar tax" wouldn't also reduce consumption. Mexico has a "soda tax" and has seen a decline in soda consumption [unc.edu]. A 10% tax resulted in a 6% decrease in consumption.
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These taxes reduce consumption, but also incentivize politicians to avoid doing anything else to reduce consumption.
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We can't trust ordinary people to have choices.
Because if they do the consequences will be ... what, exactly? Bad for them? Bad for my nefarious goals?
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The three most obvious cases are alcohol with the history of Prohibition, the modern fight against drug
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Soda doesn't deserve to be maligned. Plain soda water has zero calories and doesn't cause anything but needing to go pee later.
It's the flavorings and additives that are the actual issue. Yet plain seltzer water is lumped in with all the others. Stupid.
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The best thing to flavour soda with is gin. Not sure why so many people like to use syrup instead.
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Clearly the group that is wrong in those examples are the scientists who fail to count calories and instead try to blame the source of the calories.
Dr. Atkins' fad diet (Score:3)
Well it's been around half a century of that diet now. Around 50 million people have tried it and we aren't hearing any complaints from them. But it's still possible that Atkins was wrong about the evils of the overwhelming excess of carbohydrates in our diet.
Feel free to argue against those 50 million. Rant and rave! Your opinion is surely equal to theirs.
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Around 50 million people have tried it and we aren't hearing any complaints from them.
Heard plenty of complaints.
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Fatkins died already, of course he's not hearing any complaints.
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Well it's been around half a century of that diet now. Around 50 million people have tried it and we aren't hearing any complaints from them...Feel free to argue against those 50 million. Rant and rave! Your opinion is surely equal to theirs.
50 million people tried it, and 49.9 million people didn't stick with it. I'd say that pretty much sums up the "complaint" department. Of course, sticking with a diet loaded with saturated fat, salt and red meat will likely lead to heart disease, but hey, at least you'll be a skinny corpse.
If we've learned anything in the last 100 years, fad diets of any kind are a temporary measure at best. What actually works is a permanent lifestyle change, consisting of eating healthy and regular exercise. Arguments for fad diets are not supported when losing weight is simple math for the overwhelming majority of humans(consume less than you burn), and has stood the test of time.
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What actually works is a permanent lifestyle change, consisting of eating healthy
Where "healthy" is actually a lot more fat and less carbs than currently recommended. It's not a fad, it's a permanent lifestyle change.
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" 49.9 million people didn't stick with it" What? Millions are doing it right now. Millions more don't need to- they have accomplished what they want.
I was one of those. I did Atkins almost 40 years ago, lost 40 pounds, and quit. Quit counting, that is, quit fussing over it; but I never resumed eating carbs as I'd done before. Now, after all those years I have to lose weight again (20 lbs) so I have to pay closer attention to my diet. This time I've noticed that too much protein can be a problem and I've ha
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Of course, sticking with a diet loaded with saturated fat, salt and red meat will likely lead to heart disease, but hey, at least you'll be a skinny corpse.
What are you basing this assertion on?
I really want to know.
There has been no definitive link between saturated fat, salt, and red meat and heart disease. None. If you have information, please point it out.
And don't give me the "everyone knows that", or "that is what the American Heart Association says". Tell me what scientific research you have read. I know what I have read, and none of it says that. All of these conclusions were made, and dietary direction has been given, DESPITE the scientific resea
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> What actually works is a permanent lifestyle change
Surely you can link to a study where a permanent lifestyle change results in permanent weight loss in, say, 25% or more of participants.
The "study" is looking at any number of humans on the planet who permanently maintain a diet of healthy food and reasonable portions, along with a regular exercise program. There is no "yo-yo" effect, because the change is permanent, and the human body responds to that. This isn't rocket science, and there's no mystery to solve as to what it takes to maintain a healthy body.
Also, you will find that the group who has maintained that lifestyle all of their life does not even know what a "diet" is, because t
Instant Noodles don't cause obesity elsewhere (Score:4, Interesting)
So I can still eat all the Slim Jims and beef jerky I want (which is a lot) but I have to give up my fire noodles and cup ramen?
Dammit.
Seriously, I am not sure how to take this. Instant noodles are hugely popular across asia, consumed in vast quantities every day, and yet asia still has low obesity rates. So is it the noodles that are the problem OR how the people respond to what they eat?
Or is it not the people as much as it is their gut bacteria?
Living where they do and eating what they have eaten for centuries has probably left them with a fairly specialized set of gut bacteria good at extracting maximum nutrition from meager food, and perhaps pasta and noodles are just the wrong thing for those people to eat. Perhaps their bodies are TOO good at retaining the calories from the food, because they had to be good to survive. Now, with caloric food in good supply, they no longer need that ability as much, but it's not like we can reprogram our guts.
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Seriously, I am not sure how to take this. Instant noodles are hugely popular across asia, consumed in vast quantities every day, and yet asia still has low obesity rates. So is it the noodles that are the problem OR how the people respond to what they eat?
I could not believe how bad the American obesity rate was until I traveled outside of the US. I scratched my head because the foreign diet did not seem particularly healthy, so I looked at other factors.
When comparing other countries, I believe the lack of exercise impacts obesity rates far more than diet does. People can easily get fat off eating an Asian diet if leading a sedentary lifestyle. Other countries are far more mobile and active, which I believe plays a large part here.
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Re:Instant Noodles don't cause obesity elsewhere (Score:5, Informative)
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I'm often amazed at the size of servings in the US. When I go out, I usually have 2 courses, either a starter and a main course, or a main course and dessert. But in the US I sometimes struggled to finish a damn starter. When I travel there I usually order a main course and that'll be more than enough for me.
That is because in America, there is only one course. The main course. The implication in your wording is that Americans eat 7 course meals and that the main course in America is equal to the 7 courses folks in other countries eat. Americans only eat one course. That is why it seems so large to you.
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Cold water fish, which tend to be oily, and herbivore meat, aren't what I'd describe as meagre, calorie-wise. Of course, they might not have eaten a lot of it, but that's not connected with the gut's ability to extract nutrition.
The gut flora has got to be significant here - starchy carbs are a big component of many diets - italian, for instance - and there's got to be something more to study there.
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From the article: "researchers note the increasing uptake of chemically processed foods, such as instant noodles and pasta, and the addition of sugar, pastry, and bread to their diets."
The title says "noodles" but neglects that pesky "sugar" and "pastry" part that was also added to their diets (and bread as well). Yet more poor quality news.
If you eat noodles, there is no reason to stop.
Healthy living is not a big mystery.
Through the ages the omnivorous human race has lived on varying diets that didn't caus
"chemically processed"... (Score:2)
...has nothing to do with it. It's a stupid phrase used by ignorant people to describe something that is ubiquitous in food preparation. Even a chunk of venison cooked over a fire is chemically processed. What matters is the macronutrient composition of the food.
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I don't think that fresh fish and venison are generally regarded to be bad-tasting foods.
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I don't think that fresh fish and venison are generally regarded to be bad-tasting foods.
Let's have a focus group of 5 years old and see if they prefer Doritos or fresh halibut.
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Actually, halibut tastes good (and is more expensive) largely because it's fatty. "Skinnier" fish don't taste so good without frying (=oil) and/or enough seasoning and salt to knock it closer to the "bad" category.
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This is readily apparent in plain nigiri sushi.
And most readily apparent with high grade expensive otoro.
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There's that word again. What do you mean by processed?
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If you eat a steak and a spinach salad you are consuming more nitrates than you would with a couple hotdogs. Also, you can't use processed in the definition of processed.
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I'm not hating meat. I love meat. I just hate the stupid ignorance thrown about in conjunction with the terms processed, nitrates, and MSG. It seems the people that hate those things don't really understand what they are or why they are supposed to hate them.
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OK, what makes "processed" meats inherently bad? Is it the "chemicals" they use? The fact that they are usually frozen? Or maybe it's just that they are made by a corporation, and we all know corporations are evil. Guess what? When you prepare a piece of fresh meat, whether it's with a marinade, or spices, or salt, or even grilling it over a fire, you are guilty of processing it.
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Halibut is popular and expensive because of the texture, mostly.
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Let's have a focus group of 5 years old and see if they prefer Doritos or fresh halibut.
What culture were the 5-year-olds raised in? What foods were they exposed to? Seriously: food preferences and cultural preferences start developing at a much younger age.
Even foods "all kids love" may not really be so. My son hated sweets until he was 3 years old. HATED them. We gave him a piece of his first birthday cake, and he spit it out and literally scraped the remainder off of his tongue with his hands. We never tended to have sweets in the house, so he was never exposed to anything like that before. I think he had the same reaction I do now to regular Coke -- it's so sickeningly sweet that I'm repulsed by it. It's positively unnatural.
My kid instead barely experienced refined carbs probably for the first couple years of his life. I baked at home for him the only bread he consumed. We weren't trying to "hide" sweets from him -- in fact, we offered them to him quite a few times. Inevitably, he'd take a small bite of the cookie or whatever and then put it down. We didn't eat a lot of the stuff either, so it didn't matter to us. One thing his mother really likes though is ice cream, so she kept trying to introduce that, and he'd spit it out.
His favorite foods when he was 2 included things like sauted bitter greens and eating beans basically right out of a can. Oh yeah, and bacon. And just about any kind of meat. But sweets? Absolutely not. Any kind of "chip"? Once he was old enough, we offered, and he hated them. It wasn't until he was 6 or so that he actually started to be interested in things like potato chips, but Doritos would still be summarily rejected.
He simply grew up without a lot of processed foods in the house, so they were unfamiliar and weird to him -- often with extreme and bizarre flavors, so he rejected them.
So weren't we shocked when for his 3rd birthday party he requested cupcakes! Huh? The kid who for years rejected every sweet thing we offered for years? Turns out that unbeknownst to us, his new daycare facility (the first time he had been in regular daycare) served cupcakes to all the kids as a treat on every kid's birthday. So he came to associate cupcakes with celebration, and that was finally enough to overcome his revulsion of things that were too sweet. It was the ASSOCIATION of sweets that made them appealing, not the flavor by itself. (Note that he loved stuff like fruits since he was a baby... it was only the stuff that was a lot sweeter like candy and cookies and cakes that he rejected.)
I'm sure not all kids would be like this, even if they weren't exposed to as many processed foods at a young age. But keep in mind that it's NOT flavor alone that makes processed foods appealing -- it's what they do to your body. They are cheap easy calories, often packaged conveniently with little or no preparation, and they cause metabolic reactions that often lead to overeating (especially stuff like Doritos, which fool your body with flavors that mimic savory stuff but only provide cheap carbs and fats, which leads your body to say, almost literally, "Where's the beef?" and thus encourage more eating....).
If you don't get far enough with processed foods to experience those reactions, the taste alone may not be enough to hook you. Try spending a few months away from the "junk food aisles" and learn to cook things for yourself, and see how much you really miss. Sure, there are a few specific cravings I still may get for the junk food stuff, but mostly I now find the flavors less significantly appealing than "real food."
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How about volume of food consumed, energy density of food and digestibility of foods. Train on low energy density foods with low digestibility (rate of digestion) and switch to high energy density food, with high digestibility and you will get fat ie you continue to eat the same volume of food more often to sustain the same sense of fullness and hence you store much more fat.
As for cooking foods to enjoy a healthier and tastier diet, what craving do you miss the most, that lazy ass one where you do not hav
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I've seen kids from multiple backgrounds and ethnicity gravitate toward bland, starchy foods; like noodles, white bread, and macaroni-and-cheese. Sugar preference varies, but they nearly all seem to love processed starch. They quite often remove everything from pizza except the bread, maybe leaving the cheese.
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You will have to adjust the age of your test group.
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Lots of dried fish too.
And no venison - reindeer meat is not venison.
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Come off it. Bacon tastes great, and has great nutritional value. Same with cheese, chicken, steak, fish, fried onions, tomatoes, bananas, peanuts and other nuts, pizza, hamburgers, meatloaf, etc. It's all in the preparation. (Except for organs. Liver tastes like something that spent a lifetime filtering out crap for a reason, kidneys taste like they've been marinated in piss, etc).
Raw sugar by itself? Not so much. See how many tablespoons you can eat of plain sugar by itself. It becomes gross reqlly quick
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Liver tastes like something that spent a lifetime filtering out crap for a reason, kidneys taste like they've been marinated in piss, etc).
Organ meats contain the highest nutritional value, actually.
These statements are not mutually exclusive. Organ meats have a high chance of contamination from environmental sources because of their function. If clean, they are highly desirable. If not, you should leave them to the sled dogs. They have shorter lifespans, and are less likely to suffer the effects of bioaccumulation.
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Bacon?
You do know that taking a piece off a pig and cooking it does not translate to bacon.
There is a process that is involved that makes it a bit worse for you before it tastes like bacon.
That process is called butchering. It's literally the physical separation of meat from a carcass. It's easy to find unadulterated bacon and ham.
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Pork belly + curing/smoking = bacon.
Pork belly is fantastic without further processing, but it ain't bacon.
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What if you soak it in beet or celery juice? Have you ever had a spinach salad? Were you concerned about the large amount of nitrates in that?
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What's wrong with preservatives? If you wrapped the pork belly in spinach and put it in the fridge for a week, would you be concerned about the "preservatives" you just added to it?
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Bacon is not necessarily cured. I can go to my local supermarket and buy uncured "bacon".
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You're a moron, you deserve the heart attack.
Cholesterol doesn't magically ooze from your stomach into your bloodstream. I ate 2 fried eggs and either bacon or sausages, as well as fried potatoes, every morning for decades. My pharmacist brother-in-law told me I'd better get my cholesterol checked, because "all diabetics have cholesterol problems." My GP said that at my age I should probably consider statins. Then she looked at my actual numbers - they're awesome. Lower than the target level for people on statins. EKG last week was also normal.
What
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Taste is related to salt.
Salt is a cheap way to make any food taste good. That's why all restaurant food and processed food contains too much salt.
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There's also sugar, salt, and frying (over-cooking) that are not really calorie-related. By weight, sugar has the same calories as other carbohydrates.
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Define "processed".
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What do Eskimos have to do with Siberia?
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That's all you can say? One lousy paragraph? Lame. The quality of trolls on here are getting worse and worse. It used to be that trolls would write entire walls of text even the Mexican border would have been proud to have.