New Test Spots Human Form of Mad Cow Disease With 100-Percent Accuracy (scientificamerican.com) 133
An anonymous reader writes from a report via Scientific American: Eating beef from an animal infected with mad cow disease can lead to an untreatable condition that attacks the brain and is universally fatal, but symptoms can take decades to emerge. Thankfully, Claudio Soto, a neurologist at McGovern Medical School at UTHealth in Houston, and her team, as well as a team led by Daisy Bougard of the French Blood Establishment in Montpellier, France, have developed new blood-screening technology that can spot Mad Cow Disease (known as variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease) with 100 percent accuracy -- perhaps years before it attacks. From the Scientific American: "Misfolded proteins called prions cause both mad cow and variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. Once they invade the brain, they begin recruiting normal proteins and forcing them to adopt the same abnormal shape. The prions and the blighted proteins clump together forming increasingly large aggregate deposits that wreak havoc on the brain and invariably lead to death. The disease, however, has a long incubation period. In the interim, the prions hang out in non-brain tissues such as the appendix and tonsils, and because they do not cause symptoms, the infected person becomes a silent carrier. [The two teams] ran the test on blood samples from variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease patients in the U.K. and France. The two teams used slightly different methods, but the basic idea was the same: the test essentially mimics the progression of the disease in an accelerated, artificial environment. First the prion proteins are separated from the blood and combined with normal proteins, which take on an abnormal shape, forming aggregate clumps. Then, the aggregates are pulled apart and recombined with more normal proteins. The process is repeated over and over again, in effect replicating the prion proteins until very small quantities are amplified enough to be easily detected. If there are no prions present in the blood, nothing happens. Between the two studies, the test was able to identify a total of 32 cases of variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease with 100% percent accuracy, and there were no false positives among the 391 controls, which included regular blood donors, patients with a different form of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and patients with other neurological diseases. In addition, Bougard's group was able to diagnose variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in the blood of two patients 1.3 and 2.6 years before they developed clinical symptoms." The two studies -- "Detection of prions in blood from patients with variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease" and "Detection of prions in the plasma of presymptomatic and symptomatic patients with variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease" -- were published in the journal Science Translational Medicine.
One cow to another... (Score:4, Funny)
Two cows begin talking about mad cow epidemic.
One says to the other how afraid he is of contracting the disease.
The other seems unconcerned.
The first cow becomes agitated at the indifference his friend is showing towards a threat which is affecting the whole cow community.
The second cow replies "I can understand why you are so upset, but why should I be concerned? I'm a helicopter".
VEGAN (Score:2, Insightful)
Please consider a lifestyle not of eating animal but of compassion.
Most ppl. here are probably posting from a place that has three/four or five supermarkets within a 5 mile range of their residence.
That supermarket has aisles full of cruelty-free and healthy alternative foods that you can buy.
What is your excuse for eating meat, ***three*** times a day, at ***every** meal?
Please meditate on this question. If you live in the developed Western word, what is your excuse for consuming animals when all sort or
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Most ppl. here are probably posting from a place that has three/four or five supermarkets within a 5 mile range of their residence.
Nope. Sounds like you are suffering from dense overpopulation. Have you considered eating each other to thin the herd.
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That's why I try avoid eating Vegans.
Re: VEGAN (Score:2, Insightful)
Well I don't eat meat three times a day at every meal, but thanks for your blind assumptions.
The reason meat is popular is because it's a cheap source of varied nutrients. Yes you can get a lot of nutrition from pure vegetable sources, but it's a lot harder to get a balanced diet. I cook vegan most of the time but I can tell you that a lot of people, maybe most can't cook and don't have the first clue about nutrition. If you force them to eat vegan then one hell of a lot of them will suffer through malnutri
Re:VEGAN (Score:5, Insightful)
Please consider a lifestyle not of eating animal but of compassion.
Most ppl. here are probably posting from a place that has three/four or five supermarkets within a 5 mile range of their residence.
That supermarket has aisles full of cruelty-free and healthy alternative foods that you can buy.
What is your excuse for eating meat,
You ask that as if I need an excuse to eat food.
Let me turn it around on you. What's your excuse for eating dead plants?
What's your excuse for eating food that was grown by people that disturbed the natural soil just so they can make money?
What's your excuse?
Please meditate on this question.
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Since you don't actually believe that eating plants is wrong, that is just a stupid rhetorical question.
The question is what makes an animal superior to a plant. And the answer is fuck-all. Plants have senses and memory and can actually react in realtime to individuals who have done them harm. Plants engage in chemical warfare against one another, while animals do it the new-fangled way with tooth and claw.
There's nothing morally superior about being food, which is what you are when you become a herbivore. You will be delicious when the climate apocalypse comes.
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Since you don't actually believe that eating plants is wrong, that is just a stupid rhetorical question.
The question is what makes an animal superior to a plant. And the answer is fuck-all...
Ironically, you answered your own question below, and you're wrong about that "fuck-all" part.
There's nothing morally superior about being food, which is what you are when you become a herbivore...
Nature itself has provided the answer, and morals or beliefs has nothing to do with the answer here, so we can remove that whole "human" part of the equation to avoid the shit man has injected into arguments for thousands of years, justifying warfare and bloodshed.
Yes, nature has provided the answer. It's called the natural food chain. You answered the question yourself with the word herbivore, as in an organism
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If you like the natural order so much, leave all your modern belongings behind and go live in a cave like those cavemen.
Humans have evolved over million of years. You are simply using the "natural food chain" because you do not want to change. You really are a caveman.
Wrong. I'm pointing out the fact that the natural food chain means that morals and ethics have nothing to do with the debate over what is superior. Nature has defined that quite well.
And there's nothing superior about eating meat, because we have evolved in knowledge to determine that consuming meat is unnecessary for a human being to survive and maintain their health. That said, we have also evolved in our knowledge about the natural balance of our ecosystem, and hunting to cull the population of certai
ascending the food chain (Score:1)
And now we reach the top of the food chain; the human.
...top of the food chain; the WORM...
FTFY
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Vegans produce more methane than omnivores do...
Vegans CAUSE GLOBAL WARMING!
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Err..we pretty much have to eat, what's wrong with choosing foods that do the least harm?
Further, what do livestock eat? A lot of their food (grains) grown by humans - so if your concern is about humans, eating livestock doesn't make sense either since it requires *even more* human use and natural disruption, etc.. Less disruption would come if we ate the plants themselves, rather than inefficiently processing them through livestock. I welcome your renewed meditation on these questions. =)
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I pointed out that same information a few weeks ago. You can see what good stating facts is in this discussion.
I grew up on a small produce farm in the upper midwest. I know how much labor and water it takes to grow a season of vegetables. But these fools still think they could plow up the grasslands and plant a vegetable garden easier than you raise your cattle.
Merry Christmas.
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In some areas yes, they graze, but other areas they hardly graze and are kept mostly confined. They eat a LOT at feedlots as well, I bet in those 'few weeks' one bull eats many times more grain than any human eats over several years (isn't it something like 20lbs a day?) And that's just cattle, only ~100 million of the 10 billion livestock animals in the US. And of them, many are dairy cows who are also kept confined and do not graze. The other 9.9 billion pigs and chickens don't graze, and have the crops g
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You do realize that you are trying to tell farmers and ranchers how they perform their jobs, right? You can keep making claims that aren't real, or ones that don't mean what you think they mean. We can keep correcting you.
A) Most beef cattle graze on the grasslands for their first couple years, then are sent to feedlots for fattening before slaughter. Most milk cattle are fed with hay and corn stalks, not just the corn grain.
B) You can't stop growing hay and feed corn, then grow a garden full of vegetables
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You're just as guilty at assuming, you have no idea what my background is, and you conveniently ignored the vast majority of concerns in my post. I will assume you agree with the rest of my points, thanks!
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Please see my reply to the reply on your post.
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Are you being dense on purpose? The vast majority (99.99%) of the 10 billion livestock in the US aren't roaming cattle. Now you tell me: what do all the chickens and pigs eat? 70% or more of all corn, soy and wheat grown in the US are fed to livestock. How is that efficient? You're using the person who smokes a few cigarettes a year to prove that smoking doesn't cause cancer.
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So its OK to kill and eat plants or fungi, but not animals?
I'll bet you would hold a different opinion if your were a plant.
If there's one thing I hate more than a racist, it's a kingdomist.
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Unless he is "the Audrey 2" (which he can't be because he's Vegan and Audrey 2 ate blood), I don't think he would have an opinion if he were a plant.
Re:VEGAN (Score:5, Funny)
Q: How can you tell someone is a Vegan?
A: Don't worry, they'll fucking tell you.
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agreed.
I don't eat meat very much at all. There are some circumstances where, to be polite I will eat meat. But usually I will just ask "does this have meat in it?" and pass if it does or just pick the meat out.
But if I am left to my own choice, I will not eat meat or drink milk.
The vegetarian options have really exploded within the last 10 years or so. There becomes less reason to eat meat every day as more options become available.
Heck, even BK has a veggie burger option now which is really encouraging.
Re:VEGAN (Score:5, Insightful)
Your philosophy seems to be predicated on minimizing cruelty. Please meditate on the following.
Contrary to what you learned in Disney movies, it is incredibly rare for an animal to die of disease or old age. The ultimate fate [youtube.com] of nearly every [youtu.be] living non-human animal [youtu.be] on this planet [youtu.be] is to be [youtu.be] eaten alive [youtube.com]. The fortunate ones die early in the process. Being diseased simply makes it easier for something to catch you and eat you (usually while you're still alive).
You are incorrectly assuming a zero base state - that by not consuming meat, you are somehow saving these animals from suffering being eaten. That is not the case. You are merely delaying the inevitable. If you allow these animals to live out their natural lives, you consign the vast majority of them to suffer a cruel death just like in the above videos.
OTOH, when I go fishing, I bleed my catch prior to taking it home to prepare as food. Based on testimony from people who have almost bled to death, this is one of the best ways to die - it feels like falling asleep. So given that (1) everything eventually dies, (2) your actions almost always lead to animals suffering a natural death by predation, and (3) my actions lead to them suffering the most painless death possible, my way actually results in less cruelty than yours.
Put another way, your philosophy is based on the incorrect belief that an action (eating meat) means you are responsible for the consequences (an animal has to die), but inaction means you are not responsible for the consequences. But everything has consequences - both action and inaction. Choosing the route of inaction may make you feel better in a self-centered world-view, but in this case it actually increases the amount of cruelty that animals suffer.
Good thesis but sloppy argument (Score:3)
OTOH, when I go fishing, I bleed my catch prior to taking it home to prepare as food. Based on testimony from people who have almost bled to death, this is one of the best ways to die - it feels like falling asleep.
Yeah except for that rather nasty knife cut that hurts like hell. And the hook. And the oxygen hunger from being yanked out of the water. Other than that it's just peaches and rainbows.
Seriously, it's ok to fish and I have no problem with that. Just don't think I'm deluded enough to think that fishing is some sort of comfortable death for the fish. It isn't. It's approximately as nasty as being caught by any other predator. Maybe gentler than an immediate evisceration but not by much.
your actions almost always lead to animals suffering a natural death by predation,
That does not ap
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Vegetarians and vegans are mobility bigots. They believe that if a life form doesn't move, it's fair game to be killed and eaten. They hold a deep seated prejudice against plants, or, as plants prefer to be called, "We Who Stand Still." This hateful philosophy is predicated on the idea that movement equals consciousness, or, if you will, a certain level of sacredness. To put it simply, if it walks, flies, or swims, or comes from something that does, it should not be ingested. If it doesn't, yum-yum.
Of cour
Misplaced angst (Score:3)
Please consider a lifestyle not of eating animal but of compassion.
I prefer to acknowledge that I am an omnivore and be grateful that I have high quality food to eat including sources of animal protein.
That supermarket has aisles full of cruelty-free and healthy alternative foods that you can buy.
Does it really? Was your produce picked by well paid and well treated people? Furthermore I dispute your attempt to frame the argument to imply that all animal protein comes from sources that were cruel to the animals. That is demonstrably not true in a non-trivial number of cases. Furthermore you and I might have very different ideas of what constitutes cruelty.
What is your excuse for eating meat, ***three*** times a day, at ***every** meal?
I don't.
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Denny Crane (Score:1)
Denny Crane: Let me tell you something. When you got polar ice caps melting and breaking off into big chunks and you got Osama still hiding in a cave, planning his next attack, when you got other rogue nations with nuclear arsenals, and not to mention some wack-job, home-grown that can cancel you at any second and when you got...mad cow, now gets high priority. And when you're still on the balcony on a clear night, sipping scotch with your best friend, now is everything.
Alan Shore: Here's to that.
Denny Cran
Hopefully this will spot (Score:2)
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That's redundant.
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Understanding the cause, prevention, maybe a cure (Score:2)
Prions & protein folding diseases are no laughing matter.
In all seriousness, for anyone interested in a possible prevention or cure, you might enjoy reading The Storied Man [jayheinrichs.com], about Paul Alan Cox, an ethnobotanist who has been chasing protein folding diseases around the world.
I also highly recommend flying on Southwest Airlines.
Oh good, John Titor right again! (Score:2)
lol. Remember that time traveler_0 from the 90's?
Have they tested Trump yet? (Score:2)
You knew the low-hanging fruit had to be harvested, eh? Like all those sour celebrities that Trump didn't even want to show up at his little ceremony next month...
On the actual article, the process sounds quite a bit like the way they replicate DNA for analysis, but I don't understand the disease mechanism well enough to understand if that's really a good description of what they are doing. The notion of any diagnostic test that is completely reliable but which isn't working at the DNA level seems hard for
The real question: Who made who? (Score:5, Insightful)
I have a feeling that many cannot remember the "mad cow crisis" in the 90s. Because after the crises var-CJD/MCD has not gotten much attention lately.
Background: .. like brain, eyes, bone, spinal matter, ..) which was then restricted.
The interesting thing was, that there was some evidence that MCD was being transmitted onto cows by feeding them carcass meal (pulverized dead leftovers from slaugther - everything not sold
There were secondary hints, that the initial prion mutation could be the effect of a chemical agent used some years before in agriculture.
Note: those prions could really multiply every generation through this kind of "recycling".
However that crises took shape in england where it was observed that a higher than usual incident rate of CJD in humans occured and a conclusion was finally drawn between MCD and vCJD. Hint: "piri piri"
Which finally lead to carcas meal ban in Summer 1996.
The UK was at the center of the outbreak with very high incident rates. Public was kept in the dark for some time.
Stastics:
Now the interesting fact is in [1] which tells us, that there was a peak in 1992 contrary to the ban of 1996 I cannot explain that drop, it could be that using brain and spine for carcas meal production was forbidden.
For a long time there was an import ban on bovine meat from UK in the EU.
Interstingly there was a test developed for live cattle[2],
which is not being used.
The "walking dead" moment:
Now the interesting point is that MCD-crisis is not really over, and this testing method explains that we might be infected by prions from cows with MCD, and even if a cow is not diagnosed with MCD - only cows older than 24 months are tested. A normal cow could carry those prions and we ingest those prions. However those cows never get diagnosed because not reaching the age where they'd show symptoms.
And yes the sad moment is "some might be infected"
the question who is infected?
Sometimes it is only good to know for others (blood donation recipients) but not for you ?!
Another conclusion can be drawn, that when having still cows with MCD it is likely that even now people get infected by MCD-prions, as of now.
[1] https://de.wikipedia.org/w/ind... [wikipedia.org]
[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... [nih.gov]
Chemical agent group of interest: Phosmet (Score:2)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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1995, the year CJD was a plot line in X-Files
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
A VERY rare disease! (Score:2)
The key take home facts are that (a) the total number of deaths so far in the UK since the disease emerged in 1995 is 178 (128 definite and the rest probable). 28 people died of the disea
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The tragedy is that in 1996 there where over a thousand excess deaths from salmonella as people switched from beef to other meats assuming that the choice was zero risk. So the scare back in 1996 resulted in roughly 1000 people losing their lives trying to avoid a disease that if they where going to get they where already infected as the really dangerous material for infection had already been removed from the food chain.
Too little, too late (Score:2)
The president elect had been formally elected by the electoral college.
Testing him now will not change that.
Cannibalism in the UK (Score:2)
"the infected person becomes a silent carrier."
How does one go about catching a prion infestation from such a person?
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100-Percent accuracy? (Score:2)
I'm really bothered by this 100% accuracy claim. Based upon the study they can at best claim near 100% accuracy, or 99.9% accuracy. There isn't enough data to say its 100% accurate, there will always be some rate of error.
He Mad (Score:2)
http://www.slate.com/content/d... [slate.com]
Just wondering... (Score:2)
Q: "Why do they call it PMS?"
A: "Mad Cow Disease was taken."
Uh oh... (Score:2)
I'd better hide...
Don't eat the carcass (Score:1)
the real story (Score:2)
Accuracy? (Score:1)
Denny finally has his day. (Score:2)
Further consideration.. (Score:2)
My apologies, I'm quite short on time today, but some facts that are worth considering (and I hope someone can dig these up):
- they do very little testing for CJD in cattle in the US, if memory serves, it's like 1 in 10,000.
- same with humans, very few humans are ever actually tested postmortem, although symptoms can be difficult to determine, and are very similar to Alzheimer's disease, of which we have a lot of people diagnosed with (previously the only way to test for vCJD was with a brain biopsy, which
Re: Please don't eat beef...!! (Score:1)
"all these beef eaters" makes it sound like there's a lot. There's been about 200 cases ever since the disease emerged. A big fuss was made at the time and America banned British beef forcing beef eaters over there to do some their own growth-hormone treated tasteless beef.
Rate of prion conversion dep. on ingested amount (Score:2)
The problem with prions is that they need to multiply over time.
Having a very early onset means you'd likely had ingested huge amounts of prion contaminated beef. But even if you have ingested some amount you might get hit later on, this is what they meant with "decades".
So his conclusion is correct.
Because he reduces the prion ingestion - there are still cows getting diagnosed, but the diagnoses is only done on older cows and on cows that show symptoms!
And because the symptoms show up lately the unsymptoma
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From what is known this cannot be correct.
1.) Because the test is a blood test, testing for prions present in the blood and multiplying them. Also do the prions accumulate in the tonsils and so on.
Meaning: you will ingest prions and they can/will accumulate in you.
2.) even by todays slaughtering standards, like separating the brain early out and sucking away the spinal mass. It cannot be excluded to contaminate the meat.
Because to get to the spinal mass you need to cut it open. Also is the carcass split int
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The slaughter process explains this - if a capture-bolt gun is used (which is the majority of non-Halal western abattoirs), they basically punch a hole through the cow's skull, rupturing the brain. No doubt brain matter ends up in the bloodstream and gets carried through the body this way before the heart stops beating. The whole slaughter process is a really messy affair, there's also fecal matter everywhere - that's where a lot of the B12 in meat actually comes from (not the meat itself.) Yum.
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America banned British blood too. Red cross in the US won't touch my blood with a 39.5 foot pole.
Which really sucks because I do want to donate blood, and not just because my company gives time-off to people who donate (and we have a very stingy time off policy otherwise- and I can't take part in this).
I wonder if this test will lead to me being able to donate blood in the future.
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I absolutely would rather die from blood loss than get sucked into this "gay lifestyle" where dying of GRID is a normal life stage. If I were to get blood, the only thing keeping me from getting GRID would be the honors system. Fuck that noise.
I'm a little confused by this, why would you have to get AIDS if you received blood? You would get it from the blood banks like everyone else, which, hopefully, is AIDS free.
Personally, I don't think you shouldt shoot yourself in the foot and not accept blood just because the system is biased against you. That's not going to change their system or right any wrong, you would just suffer a needless death.
Re: Please don't eat beef...!! (Score:1)
Just to add on how rare (Score:2)
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There have been cases of cows infected in the US (and I think Australia, not sure), and people infected in the US and Australia, but I think all the people who were in the US and Australia had eaten British, or European beef at some point, so that is the assumed mode of infection.
I suppose it's possible they could have been infected by US beef, but it would be a coincidence if they had, after eating British/European beef.
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I do think about what I eat. Every tasty day.