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Scientists Believe There's Finally A Cure For The Common Cold (dailymail.co.uk) 193

schwit1 writes: After decades of research, the fabled cure for the common cold could be on its way in the form of a nasal spray called SynGEM, the brainchild of a Dutch biotechnology company. After successful tests on mice and rats (yes, they get colds too), 36 human volunteers at London's Imperial College are now trying out the spray.
While colds can be caused by hundreds of different viruses, just three viruses are responsible for 80% of them -- and yet colds are responsible for 40% of the sick days taken in the U.S., according to another article, as well as 75 million doctor visits (costing $7.7 billion) every year, plus another $2.9 billion for cold medications. One experimental medicine professor at London's Imperial College London has spent the last 30 years researching colds and flu, and though a cure has never been found, he now tells the Daily Mail, "I think we are on the verge of it. I really do."
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Scientists Believe There's Finally A Cure For The Common Cold

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 27, 2016 @12:40AM (#53369387)

    Until I saw TFA is from the DailyMail

    • Even the Daily Mail sometimes gets it right. Whether they did this time, I don't know, but it is in line with what I have read over the last year from more reliable sources. There are indications that it is possible to find parts of both rhinoviruses (which cause cold) and flu viruses that are sufficiently stable to allow us to develop vaccines against all of them (the problem with cold and flu viruses is that they mutate constantly, but there are some parts that don't)

      • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 ) on Sunday November 27, 2016 @06:43AM (#53370539) Journal

        "There are indications that it is possible to find parts of both rhinoviruses (which cause cold) and flu viruses that are sufficiently stable to allow us to develop vaccines against all of them"

        Ahh but if that were the case I wouldn't still be getting colds because I'd have developed a natural immunity against them, I haven't, we don't, vaccines won't work.

        • That's like saying that HIV vaccines are impossible because most people don't control the virus naturally. And yet, some do. There are efforts to figure out how those people do it, and engineer a way to direct the immune systems of non-controllers to take the same steps. Maybe most rhinoviruses have a common flaw, but it's not an immunodominant epitope. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.
      • by AAWood ( 918613 ) <aawood@@@gmail...com> on Sunday November 27, 2016 @09:34AM (#53370925)

        Even the Daily Mail sometimes gets it right. Whether they did this time, I don't know, but it is in line with what I have read over the last year from more reliable sources.

        That's kinda the point. Talking about a groundbreaking medical breakthrough and giving the Mail as a source is a bit like trying to convince someone that global warming is real by directing them to your weird drunken uncle who also supports the flat earth theory and thinks all muslims are terrorists; you may be right, but you've chosen an awful method of convincing anyone of it.

        I'd genuinely love a few links to those reliable sources you mentioned; I can't trust a word the Mail publishes.

        • I looked and didn't find any. Mucosis (the Dutch company) says SynGEM is a vaccine for respiratory syncytial virus. When I did a quick search for whether something that treats RSV might also treat rhinovirus, I didn't find any such indication, but I did find this study on coinfections [nih.gov] which certainly suggests so me that a successful vaccine for RSV would be of significant benefit to children under 2 years old.
        • It's a slightly sad tendency I see here on /. - to first overinterpret somebody's comments and then attack them. Personally I don't mind too much, but I'd prefer to have an intelligent conversation sometimes.

          So, what I said is '... it is in line with what I have read ..."; a pretty vague statement on any account. Hardly an all-out endorsement of the Daily Mail, I think; it's just that I have read things over the last few years that I think give a bit more reason to hope that it may not be uncrackable after

      • by nbauman ( 624611 )

        I realize that the Daily Mail has issues.
        https://www.theguardian.com/co... [theguardian.com] After all, we get Private Eye here in the states.

        The big problem with this story is that they're hyping a vaccine that is still in Phase I clinical trials. Yeah, doctors are trying to find a vaccine for the common cold. Doctors have been doing that for 100 years. What's new about this one?

        Other than that, it's a somewhat disorganized collection of interesting and maybe even useful information about the common cold. She went to expert

    • It is almost funny in the week fake news inserted by the Russian secret service is accused of modifying the American election result - to be discussing a story sourced in the Daily Mail. For those who do not know the Daily Mail is a propaganda tool for controlling the lower classes. Of course it also publishes hard news because it could not peddle its propaganda without it, but the likelihood of an entertainment piece (man bites dog) like this story being true is almost negligible. The year in which post-tr

    • Until I saw TFA is from the DailyMail

      Logical fallacy 17b: argumentum ad hamatum

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      And this is where most people today stand when it comes to critical thinking skills: I completely trust this source of information, but completely distrust that source of information, therefore I must be a quite shrewd fellow!

      It's important to look at (a) the nature of the claim and (b) the sources being cited. In this case the claim is that scientists working for a pharmaceutical company are optimistic about a new approach to vaccination they are developing, and the sources are the scientists themselves

  • I tried it and it works. As a side effect it causes your nose to fall off.
  • by hcs_$reboot ( 1536101 ) on Sunday November 27, 2016 @12:58AM (#53369483)
    I... a... a... achooo!
  • The "common cold" is really just a set of symptoms that might be related to any of over 200 viruses. The vaccine mentioned in the article is for one of those, RSV.

    I can't find precise numbers, but according to this article [webmd.com], RSV causes less than 20% of colds. Interestingly, the number in this article has apparently recently been adjusted upwards from 10% as that number is still appearing in google caches.

    So, this vaccine will not help for >80% of the cases of common cold. On the plus side, RSV is really b

    • by mysidia ( 191772 )

      I suppose they think they could eliminate a cause of a proportion of colds, thus making them rarer.
      The rest would be just marketing, since all that is feasible to say about the common cold, is target some specific common causes to make them occur less often.

      The "common cold" is really just a set of symptoms that might be related to any of over 200 viruses.

      Because the common cold symptoms, most of them, are result of the Human body's defenses coming into play --- the body's standard natural response to i

  • "Sick" days (Score:5, Insightful)

    by NotInHere ( 3654617 ) on Sunday November 27, 2016 @01:09AM (#53369517)

    Maybe the common cold is used as a method 40% of the time to get a sick day, but that doesn't mean that its actually the cause.

    • Is balanced (Score:4, Insightful)

      by bigbang137 ( 2953369 ) on Sunday November 27, 2016 @02:03AM (#53369755)
      But it gets balanced out by the assholes who show up to work sick with a cold, soon contaminating their coworkers.
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Do that asshole allowed to take days off? Can he take 2 weeks off until all the symptom wear off? Is that even acceptable or realist?

        • by Anonymous Coward

          Fine, then his boss is the asshole. Either way, we're surrounded by assholes.

        • It's realistic to take the annual quadrivalent vaccine, to take a couple of days off, and/or to work from home until the risk of contamination has passed. It's also realistic to take some vitamin C, zinc and whey protein powder daily to assist with prevention.
        • Do that asshole allowed to take days off? Can he take 2 weeks off until all the symptom wear off? Is that even acceptable or realist?

          The symptoms doesn't take 2 weeks to wear off, unless he has the flu or pneumonia.

        • Why I work (government) they certainly can. We just have assholes who choose not to because they feel like they're being some kind of hero by sucking it up, coming in anyway, and sneezing all over everyone.
  • So now people fall sick from been worked too much...?

    • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 )

      And that'd be far worse than having a cold. Colds aren't such a bad thing (flu different).

  • oh, great job scientists, what excuse am i supposed to use now?!
    • Two words: explosive diarrhea. Works every time, never questioned.

    • Food poisoning. Actually, aside from long-term illnesses like the flu, that's what most of my legitimate sick days have been for. (Legitimate at an earlier job. My later employers just said we get 10 "personal" days each year to use if we're sick or just need the day off. That policy also eliminates the incongruity of people who got sick more getting paid more per day worked, and encourages people to stay healthy so they can use those "sick" days as extra vacation days instead.)
      • My company has a common pool for sick days and PTO as well, and instead of encouraging people to stay healthy, it encourages sick people to come in while contagious so they can still keep their days for summer vacation. Paying out fewer days looks good on the balance sheet though, so the policy remains in effect.

  • From a reputable source [wikia.com]: Dr. McCoy noted that modern medicine was still searching for a cure for the common cold in the 23rd century. McCoy found a number of promising biological candidates on Omega IV that might lead to a viable cure.
  • by mentil ( 1748130 ) on Sunday November 27, 2016 @04:27AM (#53370167)

    Sure, those three viruses may currently account for 80% of colds (although I suspect it's regional, and the culprits vary from place to place, like the Flu viruses) but if they're eliminated, people not staying home sick with one of those three will instead be exposed to one of the other hundreds of cold viruses until they get sick. Now a different set of 3 viruses will account for most colds, but there will be just as many colds. Anyone who works with the airline industry is still going to get sick frequently.

    Additionally, saying there's an $11 billion+ 'cost' of colds is disingenuous, as that money trades hands. From the point of view of the medical industry, they'd be losing $billions every year if the common cold were to be cured. Salaried positions tend to have X amount of paid sick days, which are redeemed by the employee no matter what, so employers pay that money whether or not the employee actually gets sick; you could say 'lost productivity costs' but if those sick days are taken as de facto vacation, the effect is the same. A large proportion of sick days are actually "my bipolar is kicking in and I'm too depressed to come into work" or "my child is sick" or "I need to do something today and you didn't give me off the day I asked for" etc. and those problems won't go away easily.

    • Well, gee, if we invent automobiles that's going to hurt the shoe industry and the horse industry. And if we stop breaking windows that's going to hurt the glazing industry.

      Stop providing stupid arguments.

  • $2.9 billion spent on cold medications... I'm sure the people profiting from selling cold medications will be very happy... Ohhh well, they still got cancer to support their livelihood.
    • Not to worry, the cost of this medication will be at least $2.89B. No sense in leaving money on the table.

  • Never got a cold anymore since I have been going to work with this good old bicycle. For years.
    Now of course this only became possible once we didn't need to bring children to school, etc.
    So probably there is room for chemical things...

  • 1 It must work fast since the worst part is a day or 2 and it's gone in 7 if you do nothing.

    2 It must be cheap since if you do nothing most of the time it'll go away.

    3 It must be very safe because if you do nothing most of the time it'll go away.

    Those 3 reasons are probably the big ones why it didn't get developed before. (Since it'd be hard to make something that safe that worked that quickly and little money in the end.)

  • by cellocgw ( 617879 ) <cellocgw.gmail@com> on Sunday November 27, 2016 @09:31AM (#53370915) Journal

    Reminds me of a SciFi short story in the late 1960s. Some scientist invents a full cure for the cold. Trouble is, once the nasal passages are fully free of virus and snot and stuff, it turns out humans have an incredibly sensitive olfactory system. Teensie everyday levels of chemicals (smoke, perfume, flowers, etc) a painfully overloading the smell response.
    I'm not giving away the ending :-)

    • The Coffin Cure by Alan E. Nourse appeared in Galaxy magazine, April 1957. I just now skimmed over it, and it's a bit different than what I remember, so maybe there have been other stories on the same theme.
      • Telempath by Spider Robinson, published 1976. Contagious hyperosmia led to the collapse of civilization. The novel is set in the aftermath.

    • Wow. Thanks for that (since the Rest of Us were too lazy to look it up).

      For the Rest of Us ---

      1. This is a vaccine that is designed to work ONLY against RSV - one semi common (10-20% of all URIs) virus albeit one that can be deadly in little kids (especially premies)
      2. TFA managed to imply that this vaccine would work on the Big Three (Rhinovirus, Coronovirus an RSV) making it a reasonable candidate for a 'cold vaccine'. But this is not true at all. It was developed to PREVENT (as in vaccine) not CURE

  • If you read the material from the manufacturer, they are specifically working on a vaccine for RSV. RSV causes perhaps 20% of colds, depending on your data source. The remainder are caused by the rest...parainfluenza, coronavirus, rhinovirus, and other non-isolates. RSV is also most common in younger populations, so while I'm not discounting the value of reducing pediatric colds and their symptoms, it's less useful for adults. Perhaps they can expand their work to include other cold viruses, but right now
  • Just take a cold shower or bath now and then. No influenza nor anything of that kind in more than 20 years doing this (had quite a few before).
  • Death is ultimate cure for all ailments.

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