President Obama Orders Government To Plan For 'Space Weather' (nbcnews.com) 169
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Network World: President Barack Obama today issued an Executive Order that defines what the nation's response should be to a catastrophic space weather event that takes out large portions of the electrical power grid, resulting in cascading failures that would affect key services such as water supply, healthcare, and transportation. The Executive Order ideally will coordinate the responses across government agencies such as NASA, the Departments of Homeland Security, Energy and others to help minimize economic loss and save lives by enhancing national security, identifying successful mitigation technologies, and ordering the creation of nationwide response and recovery plans and procedures, the White House stated. Further, the Executive Order will enhance the scientific and technical capabilities of the United States, including improved prediction of space-weather events and their effects on infrastructure systems and services. By this action, the Federal Government will lead by example and help motivate State and local governments, and other nations, to create communities that are more resilient to the hazards of space weather. The Executive Order reinforces the formal National Space Weather Strategy and accompanying Action Plan which were announced last year. It also bolsters other work such as the replacement of aging satellites that monitor and help forecast space weather, proposing space-weather standards for both the national and international air space, development of regulations to ensure the continued operation of the electric grid during an extreme space weather event, proposing a new option for replacing crucial Extra High Voltage (EHV) transformers damaged by space weather, and developing domestic production sources for EHV transformers, the White House wrote.
Confused (Score:1, Funny)
Would "Space Weather" be studied by meteorologists?
NOAA/ NWS space forcasting (was: Re:Confused) (Score:5, Informative)
Yes.
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ [noaa.gov]
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/produ... [noaa.gov]
there is no new money here (Score:2)
Congress (the opposite of progress) is going to get appropriations requests, and the public utilities will bring wheelbarrows full of critical failure points they haven't worked on for 50 years to the body.
considering that many city water and sewer systems are in default of the law already and running on baling wire and duct tape, ouch.
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It shouldn't be. What exactly is falling here?
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The GNP, if a magnetic storm takes out enough Internet infrastructure.
Meteors (Score:2)
Expect a shower in about a months time - I think its the Leonids
Probably named after the guy who played Spock
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Would "Space Weather" be studied by meteorologists?
I wouldn't call it "studying" Bob. Given the statistical probability of a meteorologist being able to accurately predict terrestrial weather patterns, I'm a bit pessimistic about their ability to predict extraterrestrial weather...
Re:Confused (Score:4, Funny)
Already with the denial?
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Giant Meteor 2016 (Score:5, Funny)
I guess he heard how many people were going to vote for Giant Meteor 2016....
BURIED ALIVE... (Score:1)
buried alive...
buried alive...
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Re:Executive Orders (Score:5, Informative)
Then you don't seem to understand what an "Executive Order" is. The constitution gives the President of the United States (POTUS for short) the right to act as the head of the executive branch. This means that the POTUS is allowed to determine how best to implement laws that are passed if they ambiguous when it comes to specific implementation details (Almost EVERY law out there).
The Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) has already ruled that executive orders are just the means by which the executive branch outlines the rules and procedures by which they want the executive branch to implement the laws as they were written.
If you don't like the fact that Executive Actions have a lot of potential differences in them, then you should argue that Congress should pass less ambiguous laws. (I agree with this too). But making blanket statements like this does nothing for the betterment of society other than you thinking you know better than the founding fathers/constitution/scotus... and that in and of itself might be the biggest problem facing our nation... People who don't actually understand how government works saying that what it does is bad/wrong.... but not being able to say 'how'. (At least make a coherent argument as to why the "Imperial Presidency" idea of the Nixon Whitehouse (Chaney, Rumsfeld, Wolfawitz (sp?), et. al. ) is harming our nation by giving the Executive Branch too much bilateral power.... Which -is- the point of what you said... but being stupid about it doesn't help things)
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But, if things go to shit catastrophically, if you aren't armed, you'll likely be a victim and dead soon....and if you don't have a good network of friends, you likely will trouble too as that numbers will matter.
And I mean REAL friends...not FB "friends" or the like tha
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You people are laughable. The winners in that environment would be modeled on a mixture if Genghis Kahn, ISIS and Mexican drug gangs.
"Camps" like yours would be nothing but prey for mobile terrorists. If you didn't agree to hand over your loot, you'd quickly meet the same fate as the Waco cult.
No advanced preparation will be required to dominate a post-apocalyptic landscape, only a willingness to be inhumanly ruthless. Everything else, including weapons and fuel to smoke out opponents, can be looted in real
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Your fire would handily be suppressed by 50-cal machine guns mounted on pickup trucks.
Meantime, you could dodge the incoming 55-gallon drums of gasoline.
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And where exactly are civilian's going to be getting .50 cal machine guns?
Also, if grid is down, its gonna be mighty hard, mighty quick to get gasoline in any significant fashion.
And if others can get ahold of these weapons that easily, we plan to do the same.
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If you need to fend for yourselves, that means there's no effective government.
But by definition, somebody is going to have the government's weapons. They're not going to be sitting unused in empty army bases.
I don't think that you were actually planning to do the same, because you had chosen an innefective defensive strategy from the start. You'd be a day late and a dollar short.
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Your fire would handily be suppressed by 50-cal machine guns mounted on pickup trucks.
The 50-cal machine guns that you're saying nobody should bother preparing in advance? Are you assuming they're going to be looted from the National Guard or something?
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Yes.
If the National Guard were able to hold on to their weapons, then none of this prepper stuff would be necessary in the first place.
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Instead of storing up anything in advance, let's flip the coin on winning knife-fights in the street to bootstrap our supplies. Yeah, sounds real workable.
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You'd be burned alive in your bunker holding onto you damned shotgun.
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What is your real reason for hating survivalist nuts? If he's hunked down in a bunker somewhere not hurting anyone, who cares?
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I don't care. I'm just trying to give them advice on how not to get killed. Setting up a tempting camp with their fishing buddies is not going to help them.
The only survivalists that I think have a chance in that environment are the ones who have prepared hidden spider holes and can exist almost invisibly. If they can hold out there, more power to them.
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You know...ammo is VERY heavy.
And carrying many weapons isn't very easy.
So, I'm talking more of having a base of operations to work from.....if grid and all is down for a LONG period of time, well, you're gonna need a place to grow your own food, preserve it, etc...
If power and all goes down for long, there will be no effective government for awhile....till then, you'd be best served being part of tribes, much like the indians (feathe
The hows for your wanna (Score:2)
See article 5. Authority to effectively do that resides there.
See the voting ballot. Authority to do that resides there.
Consequently, if you actually want to accomplish anything, you should always couch your assertions along with (a) supporting reasoning and (b) quality exhortation to utilize the above. Without (a) and (b), you're just hand-waving and can (and should) be ignored.
But nothing protects from... (Score:1)
... SPACE MADNESS!
Blue Harvest (Score:2)
Someone's been watching too much Family Guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
tinfoil time - more like a nuclear attack prep (Score:2, Interesting)
Given the increasing "it was the russians" rhetoric for everything, and the escalation in sword rattling (eg. military drills), this seems to me more like a preparation for the result of a nuclear exchange than obama actually caring about space weather (or space anything).
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Defence/article1618135.ece
http://uk.businessinsider.com/photos-russias-military-exercise-crimea-2016-9
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The preparations you'd need for a nuclear attack would be vastly different, although clearly some elements would be in common.
I've noticed in recent decades that nuclear EMP has become a popular plot device among authors as a way to set up their crypto-cowboy stories. I have nothing against a good adventure yarn, but these authors clearly don't understand the phenomenon very well, and obviously can't be bothered to think though the logic of nuclear strategy. A pre-emptive strike has to wipe out the enemy's
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You don't know much about nuclear EMP. A single multi megaton blast a thousand miles above Kansas optimized for gamma ray production (and thus EMP) would pretty much take out our entire civilian infrastructure coast to coast.
Well, I might not know much, but I know enough to recognize poorly researched fiction when I see it.
There are a large number of reasons why your scenario won't work. It's not necessarily physically impossible, it's just practically impossible. I'll give you just one. All high yield warheads (and all missile deliverable warheads) are thermonuclear; however the secondary stage of a thermonuclear warhead while contributing most of the blast yield adds relatively little to the EMP effects. So even if we assu
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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/13... [cnbc.com]
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This site is clearly a tabloid and full of shit.
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It's about time (Score:5)
By Congress (Score:2)
Necessary planning? Sure, but it requires funding and accountability which should be passed by Congress and not EO. So much for the US Constitution, people no longer even question the activity of Probably illegal actions.
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If the executive branch waited for congress to agree on something, we might as well have anarchy.
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Does not pass the logic test. Any argument can be framed in that same way. The allegations that Russia is responsible for hacking Podesta and the DNC are "serious national defense" issues if you actually believe that to be true. Allegations that there is a conspiracy to elect a specific person to office is similarly a "serious national defense" issue.
Facts should be used to determine priorities and projects, not ambiguous fallacies.
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If an event like the 1859 Carrington solar event occurred today, our modern infrastructure would be devastated. The geologic record indicates that these occur at least every few hundred years https://mic.com/articles/11774... [mic.com] . At our current state of readiness most of the US could be without power for an estimated six months. The spare parts to repair our power grid simply do not exist. Because s
Save the Children! (Score:2)
Pointing out that a scary event could happen because there was once a small event is the exact logic failure I wrote about previously. Do you have any non fallacious arguments for why this should be done by Executive order and should not be done by Congress? Make sure you consider that a "Real" project would require tax payer funding and accountability.
I'm guessing that you can't find any, which is why you went to the appeal to emotion.
Odd premise (Score:2)
It's far more likely to be preparation against a false-flag "Russian" EMP attack on the USA. ... you know ... if the White House were actually concerned about bad weather and disruption, there might be a little more planning for hurricanes.
Just saying
Carrington Event (Score:5, Informative)
A lot of sick, sick burns from the ACs today. Try reading up on the Carrington Event and consider what a geomagnetic storm that generated visible aurora in southern Florida would do to a modern electric grid and telecommunication system. Not quote so funny.
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True, it is certainly a valid issue, if one were to take up priorities with monetary coverage then they would be better off focusing on LWAS (Living With A Star). However, it is still doubly effective in terms of having an emergency response to restore communications and power, because like above poster stated, the difference in geo/sun magnetic and electromagnetic is causation. This is more likely for nuclear response.
Re:Carrington Event (Score:5, Insightful)
Sick AC here - you know, the question we want to know is: WHY NOW?
You're begging the question. As in actually asking a "have you stopped beating your wife" question.
Just because you haven't been paying attention doesn't mean this is something new. Obama's space weather initiatives go all the way back to 2010 [space.com].
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Correct use of "begging the question" - plus a bajillion grammar points with a righteous pedant multiplier. /golf-clap
Turn back now (Score:1)
The comments on this story are a shitshow of idiocy. No good will come of you trying to read them.
Re:new to Slasdot? (Score:5, Insightful)
No, he might be old.
Ten years ago most of the comments on this story would have been about how finally a government was taking the problem seriously. Twenty years ago many of the comments would have been from auroral physicists.
Today it's mostly political bullshit.
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There is way too much truth in that post.
Umm (Score:3)
...there have been conversations about the consequences of such for 30+ years (certainly since the concept of EMP gained widespread understanding).
If the country's emergency planners haven't already taken that into account (insofar as they're able with whatever budget they're given) they should be fired.
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That is precisely the problem. They have NOT been planning on this. A Carrington event is going to happen again. We just don't know when. An EMP may or may not happen, but given that we continue to do nothing to stop N. Korea (why don't we just use Aegis cruisers to shoot down all their missiles???) the likelihood is not going down. We should at least stockpile transformers and the like, a very cheap precaution, but we don't even do that. Some day, WHEN this happens, you'll wish you'd stocked up on th
Re:Umm (Score:5, Informative)
I don't know about "not been planning". The Bill Clinton administration proposed and initiated NASA's "Living with a Star" program, which GWB continued to fund throughout his administration, so if this is some kind of Democratic conspiracy, the Bush administration was in on it Obama's administration has been working on space weather for years, to their credit, although to be fair that's after this issue has been discussed by scientifically literate people ever since the '89 event.
The reason that conspiracy theorists come swarming out of the woodwork when something like this makes the news is that they get their news from lunatic fringe news sources. Ironically the mainstream media pays more attention to what is being said by crackpots than it does to articles in science and policy journals. For better or worse ignorant conspiracy theorists drive public discourse. If they haven't noticed the government has been working on this, then it must be new -- an therefore sinister.
The lunatics like space weather, too. (Score:2)
Specifically they like the space weather data from STEREO, which comes down highly compressed on 30m dishes, rather than the larger Deep Space Network dishes. (70m?).
They keep insisting that image artifacts are evidence of space ships larger than earth that travel million of miles an hour. This of course assumes that what's being seen in the images are 1 AU away, and not simply particles that are inches away from the telescope (or even hitting the detector directly)
(I was designated 'Emergency On
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You can almost envy people like that. I had a friend in high school who believed all that kind of stuff: UFO abductions, crypto-biology, pyramid power, orgone energy. He once built a UFO detector which he assured me he knew worked perfectly because it went off all the time. If you went for a walk in the woods with him, he actually believed there was a chance you'd run across what I can only describe as fairies.
The thing was he ended up in a cult. I ran into him a few years after he'd been out of it and
Space bugs incoming! (Score:1)
Would you like to know more?
LOL (Score:1)
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The EPA did a good job of cleaning up the air after the 60s and 70s showed just how bad it could get. The NTSB does a good job of forcing transportation failures to get fixed so they do not re-occur. The NiH does a good job of fixing diseases so you don't die from them, sure the job remains unfinished but they've had many successes. SS as fixed Grandma coming to live with you because she has no other means of support. The FDA does a good job keeping Joe's Bait and Wholistic Drug Emporium from selling you ra
Should've worked with Congress (Score:2)
I'm glad to see someone taking the risk of a Carrington event seriously. However, an executive order is simply not enough. Electric utilities, comm. carriers are not going to spend money to protect themselves from a very high impact, low probability event. It will take Congressional action to allocate money to harden to infrastructure to protect against such an event. Anything less is just political posturing.
Re:Should've worked with Congress (Score:5, Informative)
They did. Last year they passed this:https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/3410 which was an extension of the original 2013 CIPA and included language about 'space weather'.
And as directed the WH released in October of 2015 their directive to DHS and other departments to develop a plan for studying the impact of such an event.
This year the amended 2016 bill https://www.congress.gov/bill/... [congress.gov] stalled (from what I can tell) and the WH issued an executive order to develop a plan for responding to such an event as directed by congress.
I know, particularly on sites like /. that it's cool to throw stones at the government and cast the rest of the world as incompetent but this is an example of government working, not government failing.
Better late than never(hopefully) (Score:2)
Militarily vulnerable (Score:2)
Dual Purpose for Carrington Event / EMP (Score:2)
There is a lot of overlap between preparing for solar caused events like the 1859 Carrington event and modern EMP weapon detonation (which would be similar to a man-made Carrington event).
Based on the 1859 event accounts, we could expect massive infrastructure failure in certain parts of the world if such an event would repeat itself. The storm was a nuisance with the main damages being to telegraph operators and equipment back then. Today, it could be catastrophic.
There have been large solar events that
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Re: Overstepping Constitutional authority (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, the President is supposed to do this kind of thing - direct the executive branch to have plans and prepare for things that can negatively affect the well being of the country. It only oversteps constitutional authority if the Constitution (or other laws passed by Congress) say they can't; or if they want a single penny to enact these plans that hasn't already been appropriated by Congress.
Re:Overstepping Constitutional authority (Score:5, Informative)
President Obama has overstepped his authority many times but this is not one of them.
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No it does not require legislation, and it is not circumventing the constitution.
Stop right there. Take a step back and inspect. Discussing whether preparing for an extinction event is constitutional? Let me frame this in context right here. If an extinction event occurs, the entire context for the Constitution (human governance) has been lost. The Constitution is as good as cosmic toilet paper at that point. The level that people have taken polarized politics to is remarkable. We probably will go extinct because at some point in the future Congress will need to make a life or de
Re:Overstepping Constitutional authority (Score:4, Informative)
So back in the early-mid 1990s when the Internet was a new thing to most people/organizations and US Government agencies started using their discretionary funds to build websites to provide information to Citizens, that was impermissible because there was no law authorizing it? Interesting. In fact, I'd be surprised if even today there is a specific law authorizing Executive Branch agencies to "build websites" or "use the Internet".
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Re:Overstepping Constitutional authority (Score:5, Informative)
Do you really think that DHS is supposed to ignore a threat to the US? Space weather is not a new thing: See: https://www.dhs.gov/publicatio... [dhs.gov] . The Department of Commerce (i.e. NOAA) has been working on space weather for a long time. The Air Force has a whole group devoted to it. All these things have gone through the funding cycles and been part of the budget for a while. The executive order tells the different departments to coordinate and who does what to respond; this is all in implementation to a National Space Weather Strategy document which went through the normal cycle of drafting, public comments, and approval.
The idea that this came out of nowhere, is not funded, or is not part of the legally directed activities of the executive branch is just insane.
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"The idea that this came out of nowhere, is not funded, or is not part of the legally directed activities of the executive branch is just insane."
Oh, then the alt-right then.
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The Executive is charged with defending the country against "all enemies, foreign and domestic." Since space weather is not a State, and is not sentient, it cannot be classified as an enemy. An enemy is one who plans or conspires against you. Not having a conscience, space weather can do neither.
I would have thought that preparing for space weather events would also have a dual role of hardening the infrastructure somewhat against nuclear EMP attacks. So there could be a loophole right there.
Re:Overstepping Constitutional authority (Score:4, Insightful)
Right. So leaving the country completely helpless in the wake of Carrington event has no defense implications.
Re:Overstepping Constitutional authority (Score:4, Interesting)
I'd mod this up if I could.
It's absolutely in the interests of US national security to keep the power grid keep working.
It's a perfect example of a situation where private industry cannot be counted on to prepare, as there is no motivation: There's no competitive advantage in taking any precautions - there's literally nothing to sell until after a Carrington event, and the odds of that happening during any company's lifetime is nearly zero.
Best case scenario: Your company did prepare, but everybody else didn't. So now the people in your service area can still buy power -- nothing has changed at all for you. But you can't grow into areas your competitors didn't service, because everybody that was in your competitor's area is fraking dead of dehydration, starvation, and diseases prevented by sanitation.
It's shocking how few people truly appreciate the way the refrigerator and pumped water changed our lives. It's what made our population growth possible.
The electrical grid is not a convenience. It's a life-critical necessity, without which most of us will die in weeks.
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"Enemies, foreign and domestic" has nothing to do with natural disaster relief. A massive CME from the sun that puts massive amounts of infrastructure out of commission would fall under the Congressionally approved mandate of FEMA, which as I recall is an Executive Branch entity and thus reports to the President.
Remember the giant bitch-howl about Katrina, and how FEMA was unprepared, etc. and everyone blamed Bush? Maybe Obama learned from that fiasco and is helping the proper agencies to at least have so
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Remember the giant bitch-howl about Katrina, and how FEMA was unprepared, etc.
And that's with the entire resources of the rest of the unaffected US helping out (as well as some international help).
Now imagine that, but taking out the entire industrial production of the US, Canada, and Mexico.
It's a simple fact that even if the Entire World rushed to our aid, most of us would be dead before any help got to us. Electricity means refrigeration, water, and food factories. Without it, we're going to die back to
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Not true. Executive orders are permissible but only to the extent that they align agencies with existing public law.
Of which there are many. And presidents have always interpreted their authority under those laws broadly, with few challenges -- and even fewer successful. The most stunning example was the Emancipation Proclamation which interprets the president's war-fighting authority in a breathtakingly broad way.
It is of course possible for a president to take unconstitutional actions this way. But executive orders are not unconstitutional per se just because the president is not explicitly directed in legislation t
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As others pointed out, Congress also has oversight capabilities by controlling the budget. The President could call for an army of super-intelligent killbots and a thousand rockets to launch them across the world, but everything would be just plans on paper if Congress didn't approve the funding.
At times, you might not need specific funding - for example, drafting plans for "what would we do if a space weather e
Ooooh, let's do THAT! (Score:2)
If the president (any president) did call for such a windfall to the military-industrial complex, based on almost all of its past behavior, congress would very likely fall all over itself to approve the funding, and increase our taxes, in that order, but probably separated by only a few minutes.
Re:Overstepping Constitutional authority (Score:5, Interesting)
The Department of Homeland Securty is supposed to help protect the US, as funded by Congress. The Department of Commence, of which NOAA is a part, covers space weather, as funded by Congress. There is an office of science and technology policy (funded by Congress) that has the job of advising the government regarding science. They are have been working together to make strategy (see this NATIONAL SPACE WEATHER STRATEGY document.
The executive (i.e. Obama) is telling the different parts of government to implement the strategy. It coordinates the different parts of the government on which parts should do which things. They already have the budget and legal authority to do the things, but it requires coordination. Which is exactly what a chief executive should be doing.
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The executive (i.e. Obama) is telling the different parts of government to implement the strategy. It coordinates the different parts of the government on which parts should do which things. They already have the budget and legal authority to do the things, but it requires coordination. Which is exactly what a chief executive should be doing.
The president directing the business and coordination of the executive bureaucracies and agencies sounds like commie talk to me. I think we need to look into your past history as a communist sympathizer.
The best government is an uncoordinated government. Small and uncoordinated are basically the same thing.
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Small and uncoordinated are basically the same thing.
Not the same - uncoordinated is very wasteful which means high taxes and little benefit.
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This is another attempt by President Obama to circumvent the Constitution for the purpose of increasing government spending.
It's alarming as well as amusing, that people get quite so annoyed about trying to mitigate extreme threats.
I guess it's just another example of why we're doomed as a species.
the President can say "plan" all day long (Score:2)
and that's legal.
to fund anything requires Congress' budgeting authority.
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If we needed Congress to give the nod every time the President wanted to direct departments of his own administration to make plans and study things, nothing would ever get done.
Also, that's not how the US Government works, and it never has been, going back to the times when the people who wrote the Constitution were serving as President.
Congress is the roadblock here (Score:2)
And just like the past eight years, it's very difficult to do that with a do-nothing, obstructionist congress doing everything it can to collect its pay while accomplishing as little as possible that's worth a damn.
Obama's been one of the best presidents we've had in my 45 years or so of paying attention (I give him 7/10, which is decent, room for improvement. Bush II The Moron, as a low-rated for-instance, gets a 2/10
Acknowledge reality. It's dead, Jim. (Score:2)
Oh no, I understand the design just fine. But unlike you, I also understand what it is, and am not confused by the difference between the two. So when it comes to action today, I talk about what the government is -- not what it was designed to be. Because, sadly, the latter ship has sailed, capsized, sunk, and rotted at the bottom of the ocean of congressional, judicial, and executive dishonor. It's dead, Jim. Welcome to reality. Deal with it.
As for unemployment figures, the government has a particular way
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Stock market did well: http://www.macrotrends.net/135... [macrotrends.net]
GDP slowly rising: http://www.tradingeconomics.co... [tradingeconomics.com]
Unemployment steadily decreasing http://data.bls.gov/timeseries... [bls.gov]
Steadily decreasing gas prices: https://blog.gasbuddy.com/Reta... [gasbuddy.com]
Believe it or not, decreasing crime rate: http://www.nationalreview.com/... [nationalreview.com]
No major new gun control laws or other major trampling of the constitution
Many
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until Obama is no longer president. He will be a giant black spot on our nation's history and will not be remembered fondly.
When he's going to be followed by hilldog or trump you shouldn't want to let him go.
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Actually, after getting a peek at his two potential successors, I think Obama's popularity will be on the rise in 2017. As will GWB's.
The next 4 years may be quite bad.
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>everything I don't agree with is racism
>everything I don't agree with is misogyny
Can't wait for this shit to die out.
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Isn't a problem because everybody does it and nobody cares, or it's covered up, or it's a perfect utopia?
Re:Yeah, space (Score:4, Informative)
I guess you didn't know that it's already happened [wikipedia.org].
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And even worse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Re:Yeah, space (Score:5, Informative)
. . .or the even more powerful Carrington Event [infogalactic.com] of 1859. If that event occurred today, estimates of damage range from US$600 billion to US$2.3 trillion in North America [lloyds.com] alone. . . .
Re:Stay out of the way (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, in its response to the FERC's requirement to develop plans for geomagnetic events the US provision-of-electricity industry explicitly said that preparations for ordinary geomagnetic storms (say up to G5-) were its responsibility, but preparation for catastrophic events such as G5+ Carringon Events was not within its capability and should be undertaken by government.
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Sorry. . . (Score:2)
MacGyver 1.0 and the SG-1 team have eliminated the Go'auld, so no returning Egyptian Gods. . .
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You haven't been listening to Trump.