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Can Blocking Blue Light Help Bipolar Disorder As Well as Sleep Issues? (sciencealert.com) 230

A new experiment suggests sleeping with amber-tinted glasses can reduce the manic symptoms of bipolar disorder within three days. Slashdot reader schwit1 quotes a report from Science Alert: The benefits of amber-tinted glasses are that they block blue light -- a major component of sunlight and the light beamed at us from our computer and phone screens. In the mornings, it's this blue light that helps reset our body clock each day. But a growing body of evidence is linking too much blue-light exposure in the evenings to problems including insomnia, obesity, depression, and other mental illnesses.
I wonder how many Slashdot readers are already trying to improve their sleep patterns by avoiding exposure to blue light?
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Can Blocking Blue Light Help Bipolar Disorder As Well as Sleep Issues?

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  • by known_coward_69 ( 4151743 ) on Monday August 01, 2016 @06:42AM (#52620247)
    at worst i'll read on my ipad or phone with the black screen on and have no problems going o sleep
    • by MightyYar ( 622222 ) on Monday August 01, 2016 @06:47AM (#52620269)

      Damn, I just wallpapered our bedroom with OLEDs.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01, 2016 @07:43AM (#52620555)

      I have a pair of blue light blocking computer glasses that I use. Ever since I started using them, my sleep cycle has returned to normal.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Blue-cut lenses have been popular in Japan for many years now. I bought some prescription glasses a few years back and noticed that I slept better when I wore them in the evening compared to my other pair with normal lenses. Same prescription on both, by the way.

      So now all my glasses have blue-cut filters. Makes everything slightly yellow tinted, but it's really subtle. Kinda like those horrible old incandescent bulbs, but not as bad.

    • From years of personal experience, I found by reading a (real) book for 30-60 minutes after working on tech, at night, solves the insomnia problem.

      I have always attributed this to tech over-stimulating the brain, nothing more fantastic than that.

      • From years of personal experience, I found by reading a (real) book for 30-60 minutes after working on tech, at night, solves the insomnia problem

        I find the same thing, reading something not on a device (a real book) tends to allow me to go to sleep more easily after staring at a monitor all day.

        I wonder if the scanning/refreshing of the monitor or screen (which is to fast for us to perceive directly) has some effect on sleep cycles or the brain.

        The screen refresh is apparently detected by our brain but for a variety of reasons we don't "see" it or perceive it directly. Perhaps just a bit of time away from the strobing of the screen allows our sleep

    • by Mikkeles ( 698461 ) on Monday August 01, 2016 @10:30AM (#52621711)

      "I wonder how many Slashdot readers are already trying to improve their sleep patterns by avoiding exposure to blue light?"

      I go to my local red light district!

  • Histamine is responsible for drowsiness, not melatonin.

    • by cdrudge ( 68377 ) on Monday August 01, 2016 @06:53AM (#52620301) Homepage

      If you're going to set the record straight, shouldn't it be that the lack of histamine is responsible for drowsiness? Antihistamines typically make you drowsy.

      • True, I stand corrected.

        • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

          by Anonymous Coward

          You just got out-pedanted!

      • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

        Most antihistamines contain dimenhydrinate the same stuff that's used in gravol(anti-nausea meds) which is why it makes you drowsy. So for people who have problems sleeping, most doctors will tell you to take 1/4 to 1/2 up to a full gravol or generic 30 minutes before you go to bed. When that doesn't work, they'll usually move onto something like zolpidem/ambien or a barbiturate with an included hypnotic.

        For me, I've been on and off again with stuff like that for ~3 years but it's due to pain issues. Sin

      • Wakefullness agents are suspected to operate now by central stimulation of H1 receptors. A few years ago, their mechanism-of-action was considered voodoo.

        I tend to use non-central antihistamines daily because of a mold sensitivity I developed in an apartment (one day I just broke out in hives all over and couldn't sleep for days!). If I don't take 10mg Loratadine for 3 days, I start itching again; nowadays, after 4 years of continuous treatment, it seems to fade on its own less than an hour after onset

        • Loratadine doesn't even (readily) cross the blood-brain barrier. You can kill yourself with Benadryl.

          I tried Loratidine once, thinking that I had allergies. Turned out that I don't have allergies. But I do have a serious reaction with loratidine that causes irregular heartbeat. Six hours of the heart beating outside of a normal rhythm from taking a single pill.

          • Use Fexofenadine then. Talk to your doctor BEFORE using Fexofenadine. Don't take Loratadine ever again. Tell your doctor Loratadine does that, and tell him it needs to be written into your medical history.

            Loratadine works way better than Fexofenadine, and is counter-indicated only when a patient has a Loratadine sensitivity. Drug sensitivity is dangerous as hell; look up Monty Oum to see how that can work out. I historically have *no* drug sensitivities, and any sensitivities that the doctors discov

            • Won't need to use it since I don't have any allergies after all. But of course that could change. I have an overactive immune system in a mostly good way.

  • How about selective exposure to a blue light source at the right time to minimize jet lag? But alas, with a test population of only 23 people, and what appears to be a subjective results analysis, this is all pretty meaningless discussion.
    • Buy some hue bulbs and play for yourself. Setting the lights blue does seem to help a little with overcast mornings, although I generally can't stand the 6000K bulbs.

  • by seven of five ( 578993 ) on Monday August 01, 2016 @06:51AM (#52620293)
    Seriously? Don't know about you but when I sleep my eyes are shut.
  • by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Monday August 01, 2016 @06:59AM (#52620331) Homepage Journal

    Really do I need a red LED on my TV even when it is off?

    • which states (3.2 https://ec.europa.eu/energy/si... [europa.eu]) : "a simple indication of the mode (e.g. a LED) is not considered as being a function. Therefore in "off-mode" as defined in the Regulation, a LED could be on."
      So as it is not functional, clearly there can be no LED. The TV is therefore OFF :)
    • Really do I need a red LED on my TV even when it is off?

      This "feature" has always bugged the hell out of me.

      My TV has a red LED that's on when the set is off, but when you turn the TV on, the LED goes off. WTF? What's the point of that?

      It makes NO sense.

  • by burtosis ( 1124179 ) on Monday August 01, 2016 @07:02AM (#52620339)
    Many cities that have already installed LED street lights are getting complaints and are removing them [gothamist.com]. Kind of funny that LED bulbs which are supposed to save money and waste have had the opposite effect. Early adoption of new technology always has issues, there is no reason these problems can't be fixed in street lights as well as any other application involving an engineered light source.
    • Re:Also streetlights (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01, 2016 @07:51AM (#52620603)

      The LED traffic light issue is a funny one though, the lights are efficient enough that they don't put out enough heat, and can get covered by snow.

      So now they need to put heaters in to melt the snow. :)

      • by dave420 ( 699308 )

        You don't seem to grasp that it is still more efficient than having short-lived bulbs that constantly waste heat (when it's not snowing). Your smiley betrays your ignorance.

  • by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Monday August 01, 2016 @07:05AM (#52620361)

    The Blue LED a relatively new invention got really popular especially a decade ago. Having Blue LED Alarm Clocks, Blue LED indicators on electronics (as Green LED and Red LED are so old fashioned)

    I had a Blue LED Alarm clock... And I really hated it. It did effect my sleep, because if in the middle of the night I wake up there is a blue glow that tricked me into thinking it was day time. I had sense went back to the boring Red LED clock where I can see the time, without feeling like I am glaring into the Sun at the middle of the night.

    I am not sure about bipolar, but sleep issues with Blue LED do mess with me.

    • by swb ( 14022 )

      I gave up on alarm clocks over a decade ago -- I wake up within about 10 minutes of 5 AM every day without any alarm clock. I found that all alarm clocks did for me was give me anxiety when I woke up in the middle of the night, reminding me how punishing it would be to not go back to sleep or some other time-related anxiety. If I absolutely have to be up at a certain time Or The Gates of Hell Will Open, I set an alarm on my smartphone, but when you can wake automatically at 5 that's almost never.

      Any fucki

      • Don't you feel special. Normally I wake up naturally around 4:30 every morning. However once in awhile I will oversleep, from an overly exhausting day, or if I am just not feeling 100%. Or if I just didn't sleep well that night.
        I a soft alarm on so it isn't garring. But waking me up in about 20 seconds. Red Lights from a clock isn't that bad and if you wake up say at 4:10 you can see if you should wake up now vs. trying to go back to sleep.

    • by kria ( 126207 )
      Beyond the possible blue light = day light issues, it's just true that red light doesn't destroy your night vision. We made sure to get a nightlight that can be set to red for the hallway to my daughter's room, and keep a headlamp that has a red light in her room for if we have to find something while she's asleep. The default on the nightlight is green, I think, so I've had to stand there and get my nightvision back when I've turned it on post power-outage in the middle of the night.
    • The Blue LED a relatively new invention got really popular especially a decade ago.

      I'm not sure, but I think that the change from red to blue LEDs was driven by some international consortium on electronic standards or something.

      They wanted to standardize "red" lights to indicate an error condition or something like that, and stated that it shouldn't be used to indicate "on" or any other normal, non-error condition. I looked for information on this but couldn't find anything right off.

  • A little dubious. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Ancient_Hacker ( 751168 ) on Monday August 01, 2016 @07:09AM (#52620373)

    I'm a little dubious, on general principles. Plus my optometrist just suggested this new "blue-blocker" option for my glasses, it stops blue-laser light dead, a very impressive demonstration, but it paradoxically doesn't remove any blue from what you're looking at. Must be a very fine-tuned filter that just blocks one wavelength of blue. He talked on and on about the effects of blue light on sleep. Quite a hard-sell. And they want $140 for that option. Sounds like blue snake-oil to me.

    • Re:A little dubious. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by RavenLrD20k ( 311488 ) on Monday August 01, 2016 @07:43AM (#52620551) Journal

      A few years ago I noticed that I was getting a lot of headaches from eyestrain due to looking at computer monitors all day. I was flipping through some electronics magazine and noticed an add for special gaming glasses for FPS "sports". $200 for non-prescription tinted glasses. I thought of trying those, but not for $200 down. Fast forward 3 months and I'm due for getting new glasses and I find that my ophthalmologist's office is having a buy one pair, get a second pair free sale. Thinking back to the ad I asked him if I can have the second pair an adjusted prescription with a yellow tint akin to my Yellow #8 [google.com] camera filters. The adjusted prescription gives me optimum clarity at between 1-3 feet in front of me (about the same as readers), and the yellow tint blocks out enough of the blue light that I don't get any headaches anymore. If I had to pay full price for the second pair, the tint was only going to add $20 on top of the normal prescription lens price (for me with all the additional options I usually get like anti-scratch, polycarbonate, etc is roughly about $200-300).

      tl;dr version: There's definitely something to blue blocking to reducing the effects of looking at a computer screen, but it shouldn't raise the price of your normal lenses by any significant amount.

      • I completely agree, I've been wearing yellow tinted glasses for three years now. Just last week, I forgot to switch glasses at night and I was up tossing and turning rather than passing out in less than five minutes.

    • If it's a high-frequency blue, it could remove ultraviolets and the top-end of visible blue light without impacting most blue light you see.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      I have this option on all my glasses and I'm a fan of it, but I paid about $10 for it.

      I think we get screwed on glasses in the west. They make out like they are some huge deal. Takes two weeks to get the lenses, so they must be precision, custom made devices right? And the light weight options, the nice thin frames, they all cost a small fortune because, I dunno, precision engineering or something.

      In Japan the basic frames are light weight and durable, the basic lenses are light weight and blended don't dis

    • Last time I got glasses I was offered the "blue blocker" coating, but given how much extra they wanted to charge for it versus perceived benefit, I decided not to bother. A few weeks later I saw a story in the news that opticians were being told that they could no longer sell this coating on the strength of the "benefits" they were quoting, as they were judged to generally be bunk.
    • by swb ( 14022 )

      I wear progressive bifocals which gave me fits on computer monitors due to the narrow focal length on the lens they provide at computing distances.

      I asked the ophthalmologist for a prescription specifically for computer distances and it's been a miracle, so much so that I sprung for a second pair to keep in my work laptop bag. It's a single distance prescription, but less strong than my nearsighted distance prescription. It's flexible enough that it works for laptops and large displays set back on desks o

  • Clickbait Science (Score:4, Informative)

    by PvtVoid ( 1252388 ) on Monday August 01, 2016 @07:10AM (#52620381)

    OB xkcd [xkcd.com], and OB PhD Comics [phdcomics.com].

    Not long ago, we were all being told that illumination that mimics natural sunlight cures Seasonal Affective Disorder. Now we're being told it causes insomnia and bipolar disorder. If you look at the original article [plos.org], the effect is tiny at best.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Blue light exposure in the morning can help with SAD. Blue light in the evening might cause insomnia and other mental health problems. It's all about how the blue light exposure timing ties in with your circadian rhythms.

    • I use a light box in the morning under orders from a sleep specialist and I have a long history of major depression. One of the warnings on SAD lamps has *always* been that they may activate mania in people who are susceptible to it. That's not new and it's most definitely not contradictory. When it comes to using lamps for treating sleeping disorders, you've always had to get the timing just right or you throw your whole clock off. Again, not new, not contradictory of any prior findings.
  • by PseudoThink ( 576121 ) on Monday August 01, 2016 @07:15AM (#52620403)

    I'm guessing most of the Slashdot crowd already knows about f.lux [justgetflux.com], which I use on my PC's to (attempt to) reduce nighttime exposure to blue light. I don't know how well it does or doesn't work for me, but it helps just as a reminder to unplug an hour or two before my intended bedtime, if possible.

    Practicing good sleep hygiene [harvard.edu] has tangibly improved my sleep and well-being over the past several years, though I noticed results within a week, once I learned and adopted good practices from my sleep doctor. Keeping the right ambient temperature (a surprisingly low 65-70 degrees for me), avoiding light exposure (completely blocked bedroom windows, taped over LED lights, removing all light sources but two red night-lights), getting a truly comfortable mattress, avoiding late meals/snacks/fluid intake, and (more challenging for couples) sleeping alone make the biggest differences for me.

    • by kalpol ( 714519 )
      Another vote here for f.lux, especially when working late hours. It does help reduce my eyestrain considerably. I also use Twilight on my phone, a little bit more battery usage but it helps as well. Easy to turn off when watching videos, etc. for normal color reproduction.
  • So, it is supposed to "reduce the manic symptoms of bipolar disorder." Instead of being depressed some of the time, now you can be depressed ALL the time.

    Many people with this disorder decide that they'd rather have the highs where they can get a million things done and are more creative, than to be dull all the time.

    • I thought the same thing, though I wonder whether there is evidence linking reduced mania to reduced depression? I know that for some people with (type 1?) bipolar, mitigating manic episodes is a desirable goal. Less mania means less risk-taking and fewer behaviors/symptoms associated with mania. For people with type-2 bipolar, the mania may be more of a reprieve from depression, than a problem.
    • by bluefoxlucid ( 723572 ) on Monday August 01, 2016 @08:24AM (#52620781) Homepage Journal

      Hypomania is kind-of-sort-of awesome. Not really, but it feels that way, like cocaine or a small dose of meth might.

      Full mania involves a facial rictus like the Joker, being unable to stop grinning, giggling at everything. You drive fast, you make bad decisions, you don't care. Everything is awesome, all things are awesome. The inside of your skull burns, and it's awesome; you can feel your neurons screaming, and you want to shoot yourself in the head with a shotgun to make it stop, because it's so awesome, too much awesome, it burns so much and it's awesome like a vicious nuclear fire inside your skull.

      Even a hypomanic episode can completely cancel any urge to sleep. You wake up the next day still feeling awesome, but also tired; your eyes burn, your head hurts, your body creaks and cracks around you, and you drag yourself, nauseated and battered by sleep deprivation, out of bed because you just can't stay still. It's bad but it's cool because you feel kind of great and kind of shitty at the same time. You might spend days or even several months without more than a few hours sleep each night; you start feeling high all the time, like you're smoking opium constantly, but the sedation is just extreme sleep deprivation. You can't think straight and can't get anything done, and you feel useless, but also pretty awesome, actually.

      Unless you're stable against suicide, mania is a good time to kill yourself, since it's both terrible and uninhibited: it's a shitty way to go through life, and you feel a lot more confident about going on and offing yourself. Most bipolar suicides occur during a manic episode.

      • I have found, over the years, that learning various disciplines is invaluable.

        I have studied Tai Chi to the point that, to physics students, I often explain how it is just about seeking extreme mechanical efficiency (and then applying that in a martial arts context), and is basically physics in disguise: the major difference in how it is thought of and explained, traditionally, is due to two things, one of which is the cumulative effect of 'Chinese Whispers', and the other is that you do not have time to ge

        • Of course I'm a polymath, too. Not as much as I'd like (re: ADHD; working on that, currently decided to light myself up with 100mg of Phenotropil and yeah, as I decided years ago, that's too much. Minor jaw-clenching, i.e. too much stimulant).

          Tai Chi and Meditation are familiar, and have become less-interesting to me. Meditation is fine, but doesn't do what I want; learning to draw would be a boon, but requires more investment than meditation of many forms. I may take up a boxing-type sport (solitary

  • Starting by reducing minimum brightness on our phones? Even at the minimum brightness setting, my phone still hurts my eyes at night. And it's getting worse at every phone generation. I now have to use a "blue light filter" to dim the brightness by 80-95% more. Oh, and a red-colored one. I don't know whether blue light is worse or not, but I am sure that red is better for night vision, and I like to be able to see my surroundings at night. Maybe manufacturers do this to show more accurate colors at a lower
    • I've been making screen dimming apps for Android (RootDim and ScreenDim) for a long time, and have often wondered why the minimum system brightness on just about all devices is so high. Here is my hypothesis. If one sets the display to a level where it's visible but not bright in pitch black conditions, the display may be invisible in normal conditions. This could result in customers complaining their device is broken as they can't see the screen. (But there are alternatives to just setting the minimum high

  • I tried out f.lux on my mac, and it was a real pain in the backside.It was more like something nagging me to get off the computer and go to bed and darkening the hell out of the screen eventually. Ugly yellow orange color to the screen as the nagging started I tried messing with the settings, but the best setting for the program is "off"
    • It is pretty striking when it changes but after a few minutes my eyes adjust and I don't even notice it. It does seem to help, haven't had any problems sleeping after I started using it.
      • It is pretty striking when it changes but after a few minutes my eyes adjust and I don't even notice it. It does seem to help, haven't had any problems sleeping after I started using it.

        It can no doubt have different effects with different people. I have never been one to need 8 hours a night, andAfter trying it, it made no difference. Not too surprising because I didn't get 8 a night even before computers were prevalent.

        If I get 5 a night, I'm fine. I fall asleep when I'm tired, wake up refreshed after five, and i'd probably strees if I bouthg the latest " If you don't get 8 hours, you are killing yourself" FUD.

        But I have no doubt there are lot of people who do need the straight 8.

  • From what I heard from friends that are bipolar as well as pop books written on the subject (supplied by them in order to understand them better), the manic part is actually quite nice - you feel sharp and full of energy and creativity. Many a creative work has entered society from those heights. Of course, they also tend to make very bad (over-confident) life decisions in that stage... Which is why treatment is geared towards attenuating that stage (as well as the depressive stage, obviously) towards (very

  • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Monday August 01, 2016 @08:23AM (#52620779) Homepage Journal

    I don't sleep with them, I just don't keep anything that emits blue light in the room I sleep in. But if I need to be sure of getting a good night's sleep I'll put a pair of amber safety glasses on a few hours before I want to go to bed. It makes a noticeable difference. Google S1933X for cheap, optically OK amber tinted safety glasses which are dramatically opaque to far blue spectrum light. As a bonus when you put them on all those annoying super-bright blue LEDs simply disappear. You have to take the glasses off to see whether a blue LED is lit.

    And if you feel like a dork wearing safety glasses around the house, just remind yourself this is brain hacking. I've contemplated trying EEG hedsets and TMS all that kind of stuff, but never have taken the plunge; but for $12 and being willing to look an ass you can actually alter the function of your brain to be more to your liking, which is kind of cool. Now I can unwind at the end of the day by watching Netflix -- after awhile your brain adjusts to the altered color temperature and in most cases you don't miss the bright blue. Instead of binge watching into the wee hours you'll get sleepy and go to bed at a reasonable time.

  • too much blue light can trick your brain into thinking it's daytime. the result of this is it requires more time for your brain to enter sleep mode leading to reduced amount of sleep overall.

    what about people with bipolar disorder? well, we already know that not getting enough sleep also results in increased emotional volatility in people with bipolar disorder.

    so yes, blocking blue light can help people that have sleep issue but then again, sources of blue light are completely artificial, so you're doing

  • iOS 9.3 or so and on suitably new hardware (iPhone 6 or newer, equivalent on the rest of the zoo) came with Night Mode that filters out blue wavelength emmision on the screen within the specified nightly interval. Start time, end time and the amount of filtering adjustable.

    Of course, that did not prevent scads of iGadget users perennially on autopilot to start moaning & bitching about how their fancy-shmancy screens had gone yellow, the night after they had willy-nilly upgraded their iOS version without

  • https://justgetflux.com/ [justgetflux.com]

    Turns down the blue at night then gets out of way during the day.
    Works as advertised. Recommended.

    Apple has finally caught up in iOS 9.3

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/22/... [metro.co.uk]

     

  • ...and someone who has the bad habit of using their laptop in bed: yes, it helps. It's a medically and scientifically established fact that blue light stops production of melatonin while triggering production of serotonin. I've used F.lux for 5-6 years now, and while it doesn't solve all of my problems it has made great differences in my ability to mentally and physically "wind down" before sleep.
  • "I wonder how many Slashdot readers are suffering from bipolar disorder", the article asks. "You are programming nerds, surely there is lots wrong with you."

    Which, on the whole, is not a very nice thing to say to your loyal readers.

  • View from a sufferer (Score:4, Interesting)

    by John Allsup ( 987 ) <slashdot@chal i s q u e.net> on Monday August 01, 2016 @09:01AM (#52621079) Homepage Journal

    Apologies if what follows comes across as a rant. Thus is an extremely sore topic for me.

    As someone with bipolar diagnosis (and an autistic spectrum disorder diagnised over a decade after the bipolar diagnosis), I can say from my experience that two different people with the same diagnostic label can have markedly different problems. What works is heavily dependent on what exactly is happing in the patient's life and mind, and upon what intellectual, social, family and other resources they have at their disposal.

    The idea that you can treat all instances of a bipolar patient as sufficiently similar that a clinical trial of a treatment will yield useful, meaningful and reliable information as to what will help an arbitrary new patient with the same diagnosis is something for which I have yet to come across empirical support for (consider how different software can cause the same hardware to behave markedly differently, the futility of trying to fix serious software errors with simple hardware patches, and the foolishness of taking 1000 windows PCs which regularly blue screen, and conducting a double blind randomised controlled trial on treatments for PCs with 'compulsive blue screen disorder'). I am sorry to say, that to me psychiatric research is thus brain damaged in its basic methodologies.

    The idea that chemical imbalances are a cause rather than a symptom is something yet to be justified, as is the idea that bipolar disorders can be understood at a biochemical level and remedied with chemicals with any degree of reliability. Then things like whether the person has a (possibly undiagnosed) autistic spectrum disorder or not are ignored (I have recently received an ASC diagnosis), and if not ignored, old trials are not revisited in the event that new diagnostic information has come to light regarding participants of old trials which would have affectee the trial and possibly the outcome. By comparison, if a physicist discovers a component in his exoerimental apparatus has a bias, he or she will not ignore the matter if it could significantly affect the conclusions of the experiment. The psychpharmalogical juggernaut just rolls on, turning mental health into a game of drug sales, cattle management, and explaining away all alternatives: behaviour reminiscent of hard sell marketing, not proper scientific inquiry.

    As for blue light, at times when extremely sensitive, blue light can, due to extreme sensitivity, be confused with daylight, with consequences for how your brain tries to sync to daylight. In times of extreme sensitivity (which can be diagnosed as manic episodes, as can episodes of manic behaviour driven differently), it is like the gain on yout brain inputs is turned up too high, is saturated, distorting, and your brain then attempts to make sense of the distorted sensory input on the implicit assumption that it is free of distortion. That, at least, has been my experience in the past (once in hospital they used bright blue-tinted flashlights to see if we were in bed, for example, resulting in my being awoken so strongly when about to go to sleep that there was no possibility of sleep for a number of hours, and jobbing nursing staff often want their jobs to be as easy for themselves as possible, and care little if that has negative ramifications for the patients).

    In addition, check out 'Deprived of our Humanity' by Lars Martensson (what he writes accords much with my experience), madinamerica, Joanna Moncrieff's books (myth of chemical cure, straight talking intro), Richard Bentall's books, Lucy Johnstone's books (straight talking intro), details of successful outcomes (beyond what is achieved with typical pharmacologically centred approaches) using alternative approaches (see e.g. Daniel Mackler's open dialog documentary, on youtube now).

    Feynman had a wonderful couple of quotes in his Cargo Cult Science talk:

    "But this long history of learning how to not fool ourselvesâ"of having utter scientific integrityâ"is, Iâ(TM)m sorry to say, something that we

  • by MrKaos ( 858439 ) on Monday August 01, 2016 @09:13AM (#52621163) Journal

    I've only ever had problems sleeping when I don't exercise, I work hard so I'm usually ready to sleep even after not exercising for up to a year. Best quality sleep I've found is when I have that sore feeling after a workout, I love that feeling and sleep is deep.

    I've got a recipe for sleep hygiene as well, it's pretty simple.

    • Blinds and curtains that cover the windows and make it really dark.
    • No electronic devices in bedroom. I accept the phone at the moment because I haven't found a decent alarm clock.
    • Shower before bedtime.
    • Air room everyday for about an hour
    • Change sheets and everything else every two weeks
    • Air all bedding once every two week - shake it out, leave it in the sun for a while if possible
    • Have fresh water beside bed to drink

    I don't know if there is any significant impact when the above is considered, however I avoid blue light. I usually on the computer up until 5 minutes before I sleep. By which stage there is very little that will keep me awake. When I train my wife tells me I am usually asleep within 30 seconds of putting my head on the pillow.

    I will relate one other experience though. I've found that knots in your back may not be painful to the point that you are aware of them however they will keep you awake by simply making you uncomfortable. I posted here months ago about the extreme physiotherapy I have put myself through [slashdot.org] and part of resolving the scar tissue from sports injury meant I went through a period of several months where the knots in my back were so painful that they would wake me up at night and I could not sleep again. Fortunately those knots were also destroyed and it no longer affects me.

    Just because you don't have current injuries doesn't mean the former ones, stress and emotional issues aren't affecting you in unexpected ways by manifesting physical issues (especially knots in the back). Losing sleep effects a degenerative feedback loop which can be broken by resolving the scar tissue from the injuries and the knotted muscles from stress and emotional issues. The physiotherapy may be confronting, however it's preferable to the frustration of nights without sleep and feeling like a zombie the next day.

  • And here I thought I couldn't like Holtzman any more than I already did...
  • clearly just a shill for the blublockers sunglasses corporation.

  • I'm sure I would find that very uncomfortable. However, in light (a pun?) of this information I've decided to sleep with my eyes closed, preferably in a dark room, in hope that the blue frequency will be blocked.

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