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Kurzweil Argues Technology Improves The World, Compares DNA to Code (geekwire.com) 203

Futurist Ray Kurzweil told a Seattle conference specific ways in which technology is already improving our lives. For example, while there's a general perception that the world's getting worse, "What's actually happening is our information about what's wrong in the world is getting better. A century ago, there would be a battle that wiped out the next village, you'd never even hear about it." An anonymous Slashdot reader quotes two of Kurzweil's other interesting insights: "We're only crowded because we've crowded ourselves into cities. Try taking a train trip across the United States, or Europe or Asia or anywhere in the world. Ninety-nine percent of the land is not used... we don't want to use it because you don't want to be out in the boondocks if you don't have people to work and play with. That's already changing now that we have some level of virtual communication..."

[And on the potential of human genomics] "It's not just collecting what is basically the object code of life that is expanding exponentially. Our ability to understand it, to reverse-engineer it, to simulate it, and most importantly to reprogram this outdated software is also expanding exponentially. Genes are software programs. It's not a metaphor. They are sequences of data. But they evolved many years ago, many tens of thousands of years ago..."

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Kurzweil Argues Technology Improves The World, Compares DNA to Code

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  • by carnivore302 ( 708545 ) on Monday July 25, 2016 @03:45AM (#52573659) Journal

    Several months back there was a call for questions for Ray Kurzweil. https://features.slashdot.org/... [slashdot.org]

    Whatever happened to the answers?

  • crowded (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 25, 2016 @03:51AM (#52573667)

    Has he even been in the Netherlands ? This place IS crowded. We do not have ANY unused space, there is no such thing as "out in the boondocks" here. Even the bits that appear unused are actually carefully managed pieces of 'nature'. Not a single tree there is allowed to fall over without it being discussed in a meeting somewhere.

    I have news for Mr Kurzweil. Crowded is not defined in terms of how much more people you can shoehorn in. Crowded is defined in terms of how easy it is to escape the other assholes in case you do so desire.

    • by Maritz ( 1829006 )
      He talks about travelling across Europe, and you think a comparison to Netherlands is relevant? Compare continental Europe to Netherlands in area. Yeah. You just equated those.
    • Finally, after all this time, quite a number of centuries in fact, we have finally figured out why they called it the Netherlands.

      Are we going to argue about it NOW, ffs?

    • You premises are wrong:
      You define "crowded" one way, and claim Kurtzweil does not follow (your rather arbitrary definition).

      You seem to equate "nature" with "unused bits of land (by humans)", thats wrong, because humans are part of nature, even if you re-define nature to mean something like "all life except humans", then wrong too, because every bit of surface of this planet has been touched by humans, and is therefore "used" by humans. The ocean is where we store our unwanted plastc, the Arctic and Antarct

    • Well, the whole world is not the Netherlands. Sadly. ;) Or maybe not...what with the rising seas and all.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 25, 2016 @04:08AM (#52573693)

    10 million people live in, say, around Los Angeles. But to supply those 10 million people with water a fair percent of the watershed of California is tapped. If 1 million people moved into the all that mostly empty land between Los Angeles and Las Vegas, where are they going to get water?
    In, say, parts of New York of the south, water is more abundant. But to feed 10 million people anywhere takes land to grow food, to find a place to dispose of their sewage and trash, etc. etc.
    Determining how much land is required support each person has actually been studied. 2-9 acres is one range; there are a lot of variables.
    10 million people may live around Los Angeles, but they *off of* a lot more land.

    • "10 million people live in, say, around Los Angeles. But to supply those 10 million people with water a fair percent of the watershed of California is tapped. If 1 million people moved into the all that mostly empty land between Los Angeles and Las Vegas, where are they going to get water?"

      We're suffering from a shortage of technological hubris right now. Put someone like Kurzweil in charge of the California water system, and Los Angeles sucking Wyoming dry would quickly be replaced by desalination.

      • It is all over the news that 99% of the water used^H^H^H^H wasted is used in agriculture, e.g. Almond farms.
        86% of all Almonds come from the US, destroying e.g. Spanish Almond farmers who can not switch to machine based harvesting. Why? What is so fucking important if a bag of Almonds costs 99cents or $1,49, so the rest of the world can also have a living on it?
        Most of the Almonds are grown in California, every year adding another 10,000 acres of production.

        But we all know that either global warming or El N

        • The California water shortage is primarily due to increasing population, which turns a cycle of dry years into a crisis.

          When problems like this crop up liberals wring their hands and preach for a return to their beloved Stone Age. Let scientists characterize the problem, and let engineers fix it.

          • The California water shortage is primarily due to increasing population, which turns a cycle of dry years into a crisis.

            No it is not.
            It is primary due to insane water consumption by Almond farms. And secondary to all other farming.

            I suggest to google for it, can't be so hard.

            Human beings don't need much water, actually a no brainer. You could increase the population of California by a factor of 100 and the change in water "waste" would not even show on the demand curve.

    • 10 million people live in, say, around Los Angeles. But to supply those 10 million people with water a fair percent of the watershed of California is tapped.

      Yes, and that is especially wrong because it is unnecessary. Believe it or not, Los Angeles receives enough rainfall to account for more than 90% of its water use. But about 99% of that water runs straight into the ocean (where it causes brackishness during rains, because so much water is shed so quickly!) because Los Angeles has been paved all to hell, and has no ability to retain water. It's like a runner that's skipping salt.

      In, say, parts of New York of the south, water is more abundant. But to feed 10 million people anywhere takes land to grow food, to find a place to dispose of their sewage and trash, etc. etc.

      Sewage is a big issue. At best you need enough room to compost the poop, and since nobody here wants to be a night soil man we have a whole expensive infrastructure for piping the shit around... using water. A lot of water. And then, the water is maybe used for irrigation. But we could at least be using AIWPS [sdsu.edu] and getting clean water out of the other end of the system, albeit at some cost in space. Which brings us back to what you were saying, of course.

      Food is actually a much smaller issue. Vertical gardening on aeroponics can produce a whole lot of produce in a very small space with very little resources. There are dozens if not hundreds of such operations across the country so far, and they are reproducing rapidly.

      Trash is a huge issue, but it should be a lot smaller. Notably, all packaging should be recyclable, and what isn't recyclable should be compostable. It should be outright illegal to sell anything that comes in a non-recyclable package. That would go a long way towards solving this problem.

    • Determining how much land is required support each person has actually been studied. 2-9 acres is one range; there are a lot of variables.

      So, using your worst case, we get a circle 200-odd miles in radius around LA to provide for LA. Less than half that using your best case.

      Note that your best case number (two acres per head) is a more realistic number for the most part....

  • by BlackPignouf ( 1017012 ) on Monday July 25, 2016 @04:26AM (#52573735)

    Just ignore the biggest problems (oil dependence and climate change), concentrate on everything else, and say it all looks good!
    Technology needs an imperial fuckton of energy (mostly from oil, gas and coal) for sometimes dubious results that don't do much, if anything, to improve our quality of life (Pokemon Go, Bitcoins, ...).
    Let's not forget that technology isn't science, and that we shouldn't do everything just because we can.

  • Huh? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DerekLyons ( 302214 ) <fairwater@@@gmail...com> on Monday July 25, 2016 @04:29AM (#52573745) Homepage

    "A century ago, there would be a battle that wiped out the next village, you'd never even hear about it."

    Huh? Maybe in the remote parts of Africa or some other place that was still stuck in the stone age. Maybe. In the parts of the worlds actually living in the (early) 20th century not so much.

    ""We're only crowded because we've crowded ourselves into cities. Try taking a train trip across the United States, or Europe or Asia or anywhere in the world. Ninety-nine percent of the land is not used... we don't want to use it because you don't want to be out in the boondocks if you don't have people to work and play with. That's already changing now that we have some level of virtual communication..."

    Not in the US, or most of Europe, or a good chunk of Asia. Not used for housing or urban sprawl isn't the same as not used. And no, it's actually changing much - communication isn't the only issue, access to stuff (physical goods) is also important, as is access to experiences. And neither have markedly changed if you live in the actual boondocks. (I find most people who live in big cities have little idea what conditions are like outside of the metro area.)

    When will computer geeks grasp that most of the human race actually enjoys the company of others and that there are actual economic reasons why people cluster?

    • > When will computer geeks grasp that most of the human race actually > enjoys the company of others and that there are actual economic reasons > why people cluster? That's exactly what Kurzweil DID agree with. He said we've crowded into cities because we want to crowd. But it has downsides. His contention is that as we improve communications and physical delivery of goods, we can have the economic benefits and companionship benefits of clustering without actually clustering.
    • "A century ago, there would be a battle that wiped out the next village, you'd never even hear about it."

      Huh? Maybe in the remote parts of Africa or some other place that was still stuck in the stone age. Maybe. In the parts of the worlds actually living in the (early) 20th century not so much.

      Just to add to that, a century ago, about 30% of the people in the US had telephones and the first coast to cost long distance call was made. Intercontinental telegraph lines already connected North America, South America and Europe. In many cities, theaters showed hour-long newsreels [wsj.com] during the day (commercial TV stations wouldn't show up for another 15 years or so). Newspapers and radio were everyday sources of information for everyone.

      Also, a century ago was 1916. WWI was in full swing. There were mi

    • by swb ( 14022 )

      "A century ago, there would be a battle that wiped out the next village, you'd never even hear about it."

      Huh? Maybe in the remote parts of Africa or some other place that was still stuck in the stone age. Maybe. In the parts of the worlds actually living in the (early) 20th century not so much.

      I think there's some truth to this, in that not even that long ago when something awful happened far away it may have gotten printed in a larger newspaper but even then the details were spartan, often delayed by days or weeks (depending on how far back we're talking).

      But now? We get to watch high definition video of the something awful happening in almost real time and within hours we have a mountain of data on it, from facts to photos to additional video, from the other side of the world.

      The benefit of no

  • Umm (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    'A century ago, there would be a battle that wiped out the next village, you'd never even hear about it'.

    In 1916? Really? World War I aside, anywhere you'd have heard about it in 1916 I suspect you would today. It wasn't the Middle Ages.

  • We get information about the world wide slide of the west into a dystopia, where every single country is passing more laws designed to 'keep us safe' which roughly translates to 'give politicians more power to control us'. You can almost see the politicians high fiving each other in the background as they deceive us with some new outrageous lie.

    We get information about how world wide mega corporations suction the wealth of nations into their ever increasing profit books while introducing 6000 page monolit

  • by Kiuas ( 1084567 ) on Monday July 25, 2016 @04:53AM (#52573791)

    we don't want to use it because you don't want to be out in the boondocks if you don't have people to work and play with. That's already changing now that we have some level of virtual communication..."

    People don't just live in the cities because they want to be around other people for work and play, cities are also handy in that all sorts of crucial services are nearby. There's a reason cities developed as trade hubs to begin with: people are lazy and would rather walk a couple hundred meters and take a subway to go fetch their laptop from the shop rather than driving long distances for it. Likewise, being close to emergency services is something that only cities can offer. Here in Finland the average response time of an ambulance in cities is about 8-10 minutes in emergencies, whereas up north in Lapland it can easily be an hour even with a helicopter. Libraries, schools, hospitals, post offices, drug stores, etc, all of these and much more are something you can find in nearly every part of any larger city but you might have to travel a couple hundred miles to out in the countryside.

    I'm not saying Ray's wrong overall: it's true that living out of cities has become more viable with technology, but it's a bit shortsighted to assume that the only reason people are concentrated into cities are social reasons and entirely ignore the benefits provided by the kind of service infrastructure that cities offer and sparsely populated areas do not.

  • by Maow ( 620678 ) on Monday July 25, 2016 @05:00AM (#52573803) Journal

    Try taking a train trip across the United States, or Europe or Asia or anywhere in the world. Ninety-nine percent of the land is not used...

    Sounds like nonsense; just because there aren't houses on it doesn't mean it's unused. There's a lot of farmland in, for example, central North America, or outside the larger European cities.

    Also, forests, for example, might be called "unused" by some, but I'd argue that they are useful just as they are and if we raze them all for farmland and housing we'd be in a bad way.

    For example, forests are repositories for all kinds of specialized DNA (refererring now to the 2nd quote in TFS), and to stretch the DNA-is-code analogy, it's rarely a good idea to discard forever any when storage is cheap.

    • by mridoni ( 228377 )

      Forests continuously produce oxygen for us - and other living creatures - to consume. Even if you don't interact directly with them, it doesn't mean they're not important. To continue the softwareanalogy, they're a vital part of Earth's "operating system".

  • Kurzweil ist a stellar example for that. He is also wrong, 100 years ago, Newspapers were rare and expensive, but they did report all the things that mattered. At that time, the idea was already several centuries old (on paper).

    • Kurzweil ist a stellar example for that. He is also wrong, 100 years ago, Newspapers were rare and expensive, but they did report all the things that mattered. At that time, the idea was already several centuries old (on paper).

      This is the problem with having a plutocracy. You have to make up lots of bullshit jobs for all the kids-of-someone-rich who didn't win at the talent lottery.

    • 100 years ago, Newspapers were rare and expensive

      No they weren't. The price of a newspaper in 1915 was $.05 for Sunday. Today, the NYT costs $5 for Sunday. Adjusting $.05 from 1915 gives $1.17 today. So the cost of newspapers has risen dramatically from then.

      Two hundred years ago they were more rare but still available to anyone in a decent sized city.

      You were also right. They carried a great deal of news. Spanish-American War (1898) anyone? Reporters (Hemingway) on the field. Same for the B

    • I did find it odd that the selected quotes were both wrong in important ways. I suppose he's having fun playing gentleman philosopher.
  • by johanw ( 1001493 ) on Monday July 25, 2016 @06:57AM (#52574023)

    > ry taking a train trip across the United States, or Europe or Asia or anywhere in the world. Ninety-nine percent of the land is not used... we don't want to use it because you don't want to be out in the boondocks if you don't have people to work and play with.

    Hah, try that in most of Europe: building a house in an area not appointed to housing even if you own the land. The police will be very quickly to tell you that is not allowed and if you don't remove the building yourself the state will do it for you and send you the bill (unless you are very rich and influential). In The Netherlands there is even hassle about people owning vacation houses who live there permanantly (which is not allowed but sometimes ignored by the local authorities).

    Many people here have no choice but to live in a city.

  • by sudon't ( 580652 ) on Monday July 25, 2016 @07:57AM (#52574181)

    "...there's a general perception that the world's getting worse..."

    Well, yeah, amongst people lacking any historical perspective. And maybe amongst politicians, although I'm not always certain they actually believe what they're demagoguing about. I mean, there are people - many people - who think that crime is worse today, when it's actually at record lows. Whether it's you, me, or Kurzweil saying it, these people's minds won't be changed. Let's face it, most people are not all that educated, and get most of their knowledge about the World through the television.

  • He loses a lot of credibility with this statement. What I guess he means is the land is not occupied by people. But if you take a look the land is heavily used for grazing, timber, mining. I've flown over and driven over the US quite a few times and it really depresses me. The Mississippi is turned into a big drainage ditch. From the ground I see cattle grazing everywhere and they have huge effects on the original ecosystem. The ranchers that have been protesting out west about grazing on government
    • by epine ( 68316 )

      He loses a lot of credibility with this statement.

      People get old, you know.

      In all, the researchers calculated, those who completed at least some of these booster sessions were forty-eight-per-cent less likely to be diagnosed with dementia after ten years than their peers in the control group. Fake it to maintain it, meanwhile, appeared to have no effect.

      The man is rapidly becoming a parody of whatever it was he once accomplished.

  • by Z00L00K ( 682162 ) on Monday July 25, 2016 @08:14AM (#52574283) Homepage Journal

    Almost all land in Europe is used, but it's not settled.

    It takes about 60 years for a forest to grow, farming is needed for food and interim areas are needed for plants to prosper.

    • Almost all land in Europe is used,
      Actually it is not.

      Starting with the lands that can not be "used" except for hunting like mountains, 30% of Europe are nature reservations. Probably it is even more.

      Meanwhile we have interconnected natural preservation zones ging from Spain via France up to Poland. It is just a lot of small areas, but the goal is to have a patchwork of interconnected natural preservation regions that stretch over all of the EU.

      On the other hand: most woods you see when drive through them

  • by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Monday July 25, 2016 @09:10AM (#52574507) Journal
    I have traveled in India extensively in trains. My mom has actually dissolved baby formula in the condensed steam from the locomotives to feed me. (Indian loco drivers are kind to mothers traveling with infants). No, 99% of the land is not being left untouched. Even while traveling through the Western ghats and all the tunnels, or through the Chambal valley in Madya Pradesh, through the Vindhyas ranges, or Aravalli ranges ... The signs of human habitation are ubiquitous.

    Farming every tiny itsy bitsy pieces of flat ground, herding goats and cows in the slopes strewn with rock, making one wonder what do these goats eat? rocks? There are no untouched pieces of virgin forests left in India. Not in significant quantities.

  • A century ago, there would be a battle that wiped out the next village, you'd never even hear about it

    Considering that exactly a century ago those battles were actually happening (Poziers etc) and were reported on the opposite side of the world on the same day it's really bad and insensitive timing for that "grandpa was a flat earther" shit.

    Other things - "99% of the land" - the guy may have stuff worth listening to but he's wrapping it up in utterly ridiculous bullshit.

    Genes are software programs. It's no

  • Not so much.
    I'm not sure why a futurist telling us the obvious is worth posting?

  • "We're only crowded because we've crowded ourselves into cities. Try taking a train trip across the United States, or Europe or Asia or anywhere in the world. Ninety-nine percent of the land is not used..."

    This sounds like the perspective of a city dweller. In the US at least, unless you are going out west and talking about desert the land is actually much more populated than even 20 years ago. More and more it's becoming like most state/national parks, a thin screen of trees creating the illusion of being
  • Kurzweil is getting worse. He wants to be taken seriously, but then he says things like "99% of land is not used". That's pretty fucking stupid, Ray.

    Couple of years ago he said all you need to make a brain is the few bytes you find in the DNA. Uhhh... No, Ray. Embryology. The brain has to interact with a real environment in order to develop. So it takes waaaaaaaaaay more information than the DNA code itself.

    I've no doubt he is/was a smart guy but he keeps talking shit.

  • ..and most importantly to reprogram this outdated software..

    You stupid son of a bitch, we are not anywhere near the point, knowledge-wise, and especially wisdom-wise, to 'edit' our own genomic 'software'. Some of you make jokes about a zombie apocalypse? This is the arrogant mindset that will bring about the equivalent of that! GMO foods are bad enough: I don't even say anything about them anymore because the horse has already left the barn: it's out in the wild now, literally in the wind, and nothing can ever change that. Screwing with our own DNA on the level he

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