Debian Founder's 2015 Death Ruled A Suicide (theregister.co.uk) 160
gosand writes: According to a story on The Register, the death of Ian Murdock in late 2015 has been ruled a suicide. This news brings some closure to the sad ending of his life. An interesting note from the article that I never knew before: "he was the Ian in Debian; his girlfriend at the time, Debra Lynn, was the Deb." Debian has truly been a cornerstone in the Linux world, and the founder will be missed. The medical report was obtained on Wednesday by CNN journalists.
This is a great loss (Score:2, Insightful)
So sorry to learn of Ian's passing. I've been a big fan of Debian for at least a decade. Rest in Peace.
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Clearly it should be renamed to 'Deb'
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You know there is a special place reserved for you in hell, right?
Just saying, I'll most likely sit right next to you for laughing, but still.
"Either everything is 'too soon' or nothing is"
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Clearly it should be renamed to 'Deb'
show some respect for his contribution .... Debdeadian
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One of his creations finds existing in the rest of his creation so unbearable and takes his own life
That god has set it up so that person will exist in the greatest possible agony without release for an unlimited amount of time. Eventually his one unfortunately Earthly lifetime will be dwarfed by a million non stop agonising lifetimes.
So yes your opinion will be unpopular around here, because you pray to the greatest
Suicide is a Deadly Sin (Score:1)
There is no contradiction here. Some things are deemed so wrong, the bring about the ultimate punishment.
Should suicide be on the list along with murder? Consider the rest of the theology — while we are suffering here on Earth, life in Heaven is nothing but bliss. How do you discourage people from skipping the real-life's misery and escaping to Heaven en masse? You can't — not without turning such premature departure into a disqualification. There is nothing evil about it.
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Just what was so "unbearable" in this case, one wonders? Midlife crisis?
systemd
People choose Hell (Score:2)
I've heard a couple theories on hell and how one ends up there. Some people argue that everyone is offered redemption after death, but only those that reject God's forgiveness are sent to Hell, which isn't brimstone and fire, but simply a state of being eternally separated from God. Floating in the void perhaps.
As far as Heaven, according to the New Testament, people don't go there immediately after death. Those who were saved go to Paradise and reside with Jesus while waiting for Armageddon to occur an
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I always thought, Heaven and Paradise are interchangeable synonyms. Indeed, the dictionary [oxforddictionaries.com] seems to concur...
Clearly, you aren't religious. If you were, you would've known too. Religion — pretty much by definition — is not Science. Dogma is taken on faith, not because a reproducible experiment confirms it.
I suppose, the approach simplifies life greatly...
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An alternative is that religious leaders didn't want people to commit suicide (can't blame them for that)
I can when they use and abuse the people, and make them feel bad about themselves by telling them lies. I very much can blame them for that. You can trace a lot of LGBTQ suicides back to religious lies... let alone LGBTQ murders.
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You've been Poe'd.
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He's not resting in peace. We can be quite confident that he's currently burning in hell.
My mother committed suicide because she was mentally ill and there was at the time no medical
solution for her problems.
If I knew who you were I'd kick your teeth in, motherfucker.
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If I knew who you were I'd kick your teeth in, motherfucker.
1. "The Bible says x" = LOL.
2. He is an obvious troll
3. Get a mind ASAP.
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My father committed suicide because he had an inoperable brain tumor and there was at the time no medical
solution for his problems.
What he did made sense to me.
So much for basing opinions on personal experience.
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Such an asshole god is not worthy of worship.
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the christian definition of god seems to self-contradict itself. many times.
I assert its impossible to be 'loving' and at the same time submit one of your 'children' to infinite amount of time being tortured.
the cogn. dissonance that christians who swallow this crap is unfathomable to me. they must not have ever really THOUGHT it thru.
you spend a nearly zero amount of time on earth (compared to infinity) and you do something that a book says is wrong. you then get no real chance to fix it (views vary, th
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Religion would actually satisfy the requirements for a clinical case of ICD-10 F22.0 (delusion), if it wasn't explicitly excluded so they don't lock up all the religious loonies.
It's enough to have one half of the country in the prisons, can't have the other one in the loony bin.
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For a threat to be convincing, it needs two factors: First, the drawback for not bending to the threatening party and second, the threatening party's ability to go through with executing whatever they are threatening with.
And no later than the latter the threat becomes meaningless. As any risk manager will tell you, the risk becomes zero when either the incidence rate is zero or the impact is zero.
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You're not a believer, you're a very naughty boy.
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He's not resting in peace. We can be quite confident that he's currently burning in hell. The Bible clearly says that suicide is a serious sin and a person who dies in such a state of sin immediately goes to hell. There is no salvation or peace to be found, only eternal damnation. I know this won't be popular here, but it's God's word and it's the truth. As a believer, I have a duty to share God's truth with all of you, and that truth is that Ian Murdock is burning in hell for committing suicide.
Obvious troll. Lots of biters I see.
My magic book says you go to hell for not killing yourself. So you best get started there buddy.
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Obvious troll. Lots of biters I see.
You bit too. Calling him a troll doesn't change that.
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I've watched, "What Dreams May Come" so I know Robin Williams is on a rescue mission to save Ian, and they'll soon reside in a wonderland where all package dependencies auto-resolve themselves and SystemD really "is" the best solution.
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He's not resting in peace. We can be quite confident that he's currently burning in hell. The Bible clearly says that suicide is a serious sin and a person who dies in such a state of sin immediately goes to hell. There is no salvation or peace to be found, only eternal damnation. I know this won't be popular here, but it's God's word and it's the truth. As a believer, I have a duty to share God's truth with all of you, and that truth is that Ian Murdock is burning in hell for committing suicide.
You say this as if you don't have a choice as to what you believe.
You might want to take responsibility for the things you feel instead of offloading them to a religion of your choosing.
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I didn't know ian. obviously you didn't either.
but for FUCK'S SAKE, dude, what would you do if you were beaten by the cops. TWICE.
you miss his point entirely. sucks to be your ignorant ass.
very sorry for ian. I can only imagine the horror he felt when all he believed came crashing down.
life is not a disney movie. stuff like this makes me think THIS life is hell; there's no more 'down' to go from here.
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That's the definition of hell? Then I don't get why I should fear it. Personally, having my life dictated by the whims of someone else's imaginary friend sounds way worse.
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That's lovely, but I'll save my outrage for the people stupid enough to follow someone else's rules simply because, if they don't, that person's imaginary sky ruler will beat them up.
I think we're done here...
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I didn't know ian. obviously you didn't either.
but for FUCK'S SAKE, dude, what would you do if you were beaten by the cops. TWICE.
you miss his point entirely. sucks to be your ignorant ass.
very sorry for ian. I can only imagine the horror he felt when all he believed came crashing down.
I've known long since that the police are not my friend, and I have been beaten up (once) by them. As an activist, it's part of the way things work and part of the things you want to change. But yeah, I've you've always been taught that the police are your friends and suddenly the gloves come off, it's a shock.
Normally, people re-evaluate their position, think things through and start looking for explanations. They may radicalize and turn to people like Marx and Lenin who long ago explained why the police w
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but for FUCK'S SAKE, dude, what would you do if you were beaten by the cops. TWICE.
Something else. Been watching the news lately?
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the man was a frothing-at-the-mouth, racist nutcase
Who isn't anti-white SJW-nutcase?
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You missed his point. His point was that the police beat him up, and that people don't care most of the time because all they see is a black victim who must've done something to deserve it. This is dehumanization. Using the N-word shocks the apathetic and fencer-sitter in the face restoring humanity by generating anger and empathetic feelings.
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I looked at the twitter stream. Maybe one single tweet that could be considered racist if you really worked at it, and didn't take it for an epithet used by someone about to commit suicide who may not have had them all together at the time. A lot of his older tweets seem those of someone who cared for the world, was engaged, didn't like racist policies, retweeted tweets about police violence and condemned it, etc.
Your -1 is well-deserved.
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Receptive reading isn't your strong suit, is it? You seem to be more like a very badly written chat bot, looking for trigger words and rolling down the stored procedure for that word.
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I lived in darkest West Oakland for 8 years and didn't become a racist. People are the same.
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Sounds like you became a really tolerant, classy individual.
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I haven't met 1 person yet who got to choose their skin color when they came out of the pussy hole. How in the fuck can something so miniscule matter so much??
Then I'm sure your head would explode trying to understand caste systems, nobility or royalty. Why can't people say Earth is their birthplace and go live in the US, did you choose what country to come out of the pussy hole? Why shouldn't the inheritance tax be 100%, did you choose to be the child of a billionaire or a penniless vagrant? I think the gist of it was nicely summed up in "Selma", even though it's not MLKs actual speech since they're copyrighted:
"Our society has distorted who we are, from slavery to the reconstruction, to the precipice at which we now stand. We have seen powerful white men rule the world while offering poor white men a vicious lie as placation" - The fictionalized Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in the 2014 Movie "Selma"
"And when the poor white manâ(TM)s children wail with a hunger that cannot be satisfied, he feeds them that same vicious lie. A lie whispering to them that regardless of their lot in life, they can at least be triumphant in the knowledge that their whiteness makes them superior to blackness."
People like to feel superior. Right color, right fa
Re: tired of being second (Score:2)
Why do you feel responsible for the behaviour of others?
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Why are you embarrassed to be white? Did you choose to be? If so, I guess you have met the first person who chose his skin color by looking in the mirror.
If not, then there's nothing to be embarrassed about. It's not like you had any say in it. Guilty by association only works if you chose to associate.
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Tribal caveman instincts. The basic psychological machinery which leads to 'us vs them' mentality between a group of people and those who are readily observed to be different is something that would have worked well in terms of survivability of groups of humans (tribes) in the many many millennia before civilisation. As such, the machinery has been bred in, and there is no effective means to breed it out, thus the need to teach each and every generation how to prevent these instincts from causing problems.
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You shouldn't feel ashamed, you made yourself into a good person by the sounds of it. We are all born with nothing but the ability to choose what kind of person we are going to be, and those choices are the only thing you should ever feel ashamed of.
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I am embarrassed to be white. I feel ashamed.
Don't. That makes you as much of a racist as those you so despise.
Racism is a plague infecting the Earth, and is itself not limited to any one skin colour nor religion.
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Re:tired of being second (Score:5, Funny)
Wow, someone's invented the self-rating comment!
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He said so. And since it doesn't really matter, I don't really care if he really is.
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There are a millon other little things, each dismissed by the racists as "fair." But taken together create a huge barrier for the disadvantaged.
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I've read every post of his on that page and I don't see what is racist. He seemed angry because of police brutality. Usually the police only brutalize blacks, colored people or whatever the politically correct term today is. Now they brutalized him.
Where are the racist parts?
You're not supposed to actually read the posts. You're supposed to take the dickhead's word that he's racist. The link is just so you know he's telling the truth (long as you don't click it).
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It's none of those. Try again.
Re:He was killed by the prison-police-industrial c (Score:5, Insightful)
I think there was probably more to it than that:
- His girlfriend recently broke up with him, which was after already having been divorced.
- He was within days of being evicted for routine noise and other disturbances.
- He was a very habitual drinker and often had side effects from alcohol withdrawal, had Asperger's, and known psychological problems for the past 20 years.
- The neighbor said he apologized to them about the noise and other disturbances he has made in the past at about 3:30PM the night he committed suicide. The neighbor commented that they though this was really odd.
This has all been corroborated by other witnesses and medical professionals.
It seems as though he was already in a really bad position and probably decided to commit suicide earlier in the day. When somebody is in such a state, it's happened many times that they try to make somebody else feel at fault, or otherwise try to push blame on somebody else, which could be a motivation for police involvement (and subsequent blame.) I've witnessed this before myself.
I'm of half of a mind to think that the police themselves had little to do with it, other than perhaps they were routinely called to his residence (probably for good reason, based on the neighbor's statements) which made him have a grudge against the police.
I don't know him so this is mainly speculation, but when it comes to suicide you often never know why somebody actually wanted to kill themselves. Even when they leave some kind of note, there's often a misdirection of blame (which I guess his twitter feed was his suicide note. Notice the repeated use of the N word, among other things.)
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Framed? You have got to be kidding.
Reiser dodged a needle in the arm by showing the authorities where his wife's body was. Some years later, he admitted in open court to killing her.
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Reiser dodged a needle in the arm by showing the authorities where his wife's body was.
He wasn't up for the death penalty.
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Give it up already. I knew him at the time. There is no doubt what he did and why.
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Is ruled a suicide now? (Score:1, Interesting)
"Found Murdock naked and lifeless with electrical cord around his neck" is ruled a suicide now?
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Its pretty suspicious, though I believe the ruling of a suicide could be technically correct still if its true that the cops were harassing him or abusing him and managed to drive him to it because of his already agitated mental state. Without a good video of what really happened we're never going to actually know.
My advice? Stay under the radar or you'll find out exactly what happened, but you probably won't live to tell us about it. People who spend "alone time" with the cops these days are starting to
Re:Is ruled a suicide now? (Score:4, Interesting)
A few people I've known have committed suicide, (one of which I was present for) and I can't say a single one of them ever made sense. In talking with other people at Survivors of Suicide, all of the people who go to those meetings basically say to not bother asking yourself why they did it, because you'll most likely never know why. Based on Ian Murdoch's other circumstances, I think it's safe to say that his life was in a somewhat shitty state at the time (see the four reasons I listed in my post above) which is probably why, more than anything else.
Re: Is ruled a suicide now? (Score:2)
That has to be one of the most retarded things I've read on slashdot. You're a total moron if you think the reason somebody commits suicide determines why their friends/relatives attend survivors of suicide after they're dead.
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It's hard to say everything i might say on this subject in just a few word and I don't want to write an entire article but I didn't see my best friend's suicide I showed up a minute later and had heard the gunshot.
He wasn't the only person I've known that has committed suicide or tried. I never attended any of those meetings but if there is help to found it would be in people who can understand and have compassion and as for our mental health professionals that want to push drugs... Prozac will not bring ba
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"Found Murdock naked and lifeless with electrical cord around his neck" is ruled a suicide now?
Have you forgotten David Carradine and how he died? [wikipedia.org]
A police official said that Carradine was found naked, hanging by a rope in the room's closet.
He died from auto-erotic asphyxiation.
two of Carradine's former wives, Gail Jensen and Marina Anderson, stated publicly that his sexual interests included the practice of self-bondage. Anderson, who had plans to publish a tell-all book about her marriage to Carradine, said in an interview with Access Hollywood, "There was a dark side to David, there was a very intense side to David. People around him know that." Previously, in her divorce filing, she had claimed that "it was the continuation of abhorrent and deviant sexual behavior which was potentially deadly."
At least he wasn't wearing a monkey mask at the time. That would have been weird.
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Relevant video:
https://youtu.be/3rUCKKVGvFg?t... [youtu.be]
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What's weird about ... I mean, yeah, that would have been weird.
But, just asking for a friend, wearing a "Scream" mask, would that be weird, too?
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I think I'm in love.
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Given the fact he announced he was going to suicide on twitter, it doesn't seem unreasonable. I don't think he streamed the suicide itself, but it wouldn't actually surprise me either.
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these days, I would assume the cops did wrong-doing.
this is the world we live in; the country we live in. the cops are assholes, and they love throwing power around.
to me, even though its not legally required, I would assume they were guilty and unless they proved innocence, I blame them.
they ARE the bad guys, today. yes, its upside down, but they created this thin blue line and generally, their cred is shot to hell (forgive the pun).
an intelligent, thoughful and PRODUCTIVE member of society vs D level st
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from the now-inevitable buyout by Microsoft
Source? Not really a follower of Linux politics, but it's the first time I've heard about that.
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Don't worry, just another systemd hater. People can be very passionate about their software.
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There is no reason why hating a package in the linux ecosystem is bad.
Yes there is. "Hating" a package is a sign of, at least, lack of perspective.
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If you don't understand the difference between "dislike" and "hate"...
Especially when, at least in Debian, you can just uninstall it.
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It depends on the level of hate. If it's a mere dislike, then sure, go ahead, dislike it. I've got no problem with that.
If it's a rabid hatred of the package, then reactions to it go far beyond rationality. Take, for example, your comparison of systemd to Islam. That shows you have little understanding of both systemd and Islam, and the fact you tried to compare them shows you're not thinking rationally on the subject.
Unfortunately, most reactions to systemd seem to be of the rabid hatred type. Just li
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Had a look at your example. It wasn't a particularly strong one. The guy was complaining about the network service failing. The reason was because he labelled his tethered phone interface as auto up. Not a good idea. Would have been better to label it as "allow-hotplug".
Another solution would be to use the systemd networkd configuration. That would react to the plugged interface event, and then automatically configure it.
So in this case, there was no fault with systemd. Seems like most complaints are
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Well there are certainly hints that something like that may be in the offing... [techcrunch.com]
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a) It is high time of real posix on windows
b) Beside fixing bugs and pushing them upstream, is there any relation between Canonical and Debian?
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a) It is high time of real posix on windows
Soon enough, it'll be "enhanced" POSIX.
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from the now-inevitable buyout by Microsoft
Source?
His nether orifice.
++devuan.... however... (Score:1, Interesting)
The GPL'd open source community (Seperate from the BSD camp, which I feel has done a better job of this) really needs to be more vigilant with its community leadership choices. From debian, to mozilla (I know, never really part of the community, but that is an example of why community leadership is important.), to gcc (and assorts co-projects, like glibc), to llvm/clang/libc++, to musl (one of the few ATM success stories).
There have been leadership both incompetent and intentionally malicious that have dera
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I don't think you deserved to be modded down for this.
High Profile doesn't always = Suspicion (Score:1)
I guess everyone will have theories about deaths like this, because they refuse to believe that the person is anything less than great !
Truth be told that some people do have their inner demons/issues that the greater population is unaware of. ...
Hans Reiser was another one. At the time his filesystem was one of the best out there, yet his personal life was in a shambles. Ian made a tremendous
contribution to the Linux community, and a testament to this is that even though he is gone, Debian will continue
High Intelligence can be a curse as much as a gift (Score:1)
When you are smarter than even smart people, life can become a curse, it is absolutely draining and demoralising situation to be in every day. When every the very best around you say and do things that are clearly ill considered, aka stupid.
When they say X is obvious, or X is the only solution and you clearly see unconsidered pitfalls and three superior alternatives.
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Jealous?
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Oh, but wait! He started a Linux distro!
Not just any distro, but Debian. So you're right, beatification is the way to go.