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US Death Rate Rises, Health Officials Aren't Sure Why (nbcnews.com) 607

New submitter Ungrounded Lightning writes: According to The New York Times, the U.S. death rate has risen for the first time in more than a decade (or several decades if particular). The rise is across the whole population, though whites, especially the less educated among them, were recently (and separately) documented to be particularly hard hit. The article speculates about drug abuse (prescription as well as illegal), suicides, and Alzheimer's, though it notes that heart disease -- which had been consistently dropping -- has also risen. No mention was made of whether the cutover to Obamacare might have had some effect. The aging of the population was mentioned, though the rise is present even within particular age groups. The National Center for Health Statistics shows the adjusted death rate went up from 723 deaths per 100,000 people in 2014 to nearly 730 deaths per 100,000 in 2015. We do know that the suicide rate in the U.S. has surged to its highest level in almost three decades.
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US Death Rate Rises, Health Officials Aren't Sure Why

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 02, 2016 @12:05AM (#52230539)

    Look at the labor participation rate, not the widely reported unemployment figure. The participation rate is dismal and reflects a lot of white, working class men who don't fit into the modern work force.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Sure, U6 is dismal, but that doesn't define a depression. The trick there is that BLS keeps redefining "the basket" of goods for the CPI calculation. The CPI doesn't go up because while the price of beef has tripled, the price of LCD TV's has fallen by 10x, so the BLS considers that to even out (I kid you not)

      Holy cow, I was looking at refrigerator prices the other day. I last bought a top-of-the-line unit (no icemaker because I'm not insane, but otherwise high-end) in 2002. The prices today are more th

      • by Cyberax ( 705495 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @01:22AM (#52230727)
        Why is the parent modded as "insightful"? It's full of bullshit.

        For example, the price of beef has NOT tripled: http://www.statista.com/statis... [statista.com] - it went from $2.09 per pound in 2006 to $3.05 in 2015. That's annualized 3.2% price growth rate - quite in line with the official inflation.

        And if you don't believe BLS then there's an alternative: http://bpp.mit.edu/usa/ [mit.edu] - they collate prices from multiple sources (literally more than a billion price points a day) and compute their own inflation measurements. And it's in agreement with BLS.

        Anecdotes like "BLS changes stuff to hide the TRUTH" are totally and ALWAYS a complete bullshit. Always. No exceptions.
        • by thinkwaitfast ( 4150389 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @01:38AM (#52230761)
          Too late. People believe only the first thing they read or something that its into their belief system.
        • Where the hell are you getting beef for $3.05 a pound?

          • by Cyberax ( 705495 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @02:45AM (#52230923)
            It's price normalized by cattle weight, so the final consumer price is higher (because not all parts of cows are edible). However, beef is still pretty cheap especially since most of the meat is ground beef: http://data.beefretail.org/who... [beefretail.org]
            • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

              by Mashiki ( 184564 )

              4 years ago I could buy a lbs of beef for $1.99, it's around $5.99-7.30lbs these days. Top that out with 94m people not in the labor force, you've got a recipe for people popping themselves off. Past trends show that as well regardless of what the government says the unemployment rate is, especially unemployment rates where you simply fall off after several years.

              • I buy 5lb packs of 90/10 ground beef at under $3/lb at my local sams....
        • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 02, 2016 @02:45AM (#52230919)

          Why is the parent modded as "insightful"? It's full of bullshit.

          The parent didn't articulate his point as well as he might have, choosing a poor example with the price of food. However, even with the commodity example he's not wholly wrong. In the decades since 1978, increases in productivity in the US economy have gone overwhelmingly to the top income quintile and since the Great Recession of 2008, which accelerated these trends, to the top 10% and top 1% respectively. Wages have stagnated as generations of ordinary working people have shared little in these gains for 37+ years now. Moreover, the cost of key goods which many middle class people buy, including health care and college education, have skyrocketed. The result is a shrinking middle class which feels increasingly pressured, squeezed and pinched by high costs and incomes that haven't kept up, even though multiple family members are working harder and more hours than ever before. You cannot deny that this is an issue, the evidence is overwhelming. Indeed, all of the 2016 presidential candidates are talking about it. They may disagree on what to do about it or how to fix it, but almost nobody questions the existence of the problem.

      • Why the downvote? You may not agree with it, but it's all rational argument...
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Look at the labor participation rate, not the widely reported unemployment figure. The participation rate is dismal and reflects a lot of white, working class men who don't fit into the modern work force.

      I don't think that's it at all. Two very close relatives of mine had decent paying jobs when they committed suicide, and hell I've thought about it myself plenty of times, and even thought about how exactly I'd carry it out a few times. Right now the income I make is a LOT for just one person, I don't have any debt, flawless credit, and no drug addictions of any kind. Yet I'm really not happy with life at all. Why? Couldn't say, to be honest. Tried lots of different meds and therapy, and nothing has worked.

  • by ScentCone ( 795499 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @12:07AM (#52230549)
    As many people as possible are trying to die in order to avoid having to choose between Trump and Clinton. Ironically, more dead people than ever are voting.
    • Re:Campaign season (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ArmoredDragon ( 3450605 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @12:41AM (#52230631)

      Yeah I think this is by far the biggest "douche vs turd" election I've ever witnessed, and I can't even fathom how it could possibly get even worse than this. Seriously, this year politics in America has probably hit rock bottom.

      • Hulk Hogan is running third party... And is planning to fix the national debt by having the government advertise for Rent-A-Center as well as product placements and paid advertisements during congressional debates.

        • That's only going to work if you also have wrestling matches between senators to find out which bill will pass. Maybe get a storyline writer in or two, to keep the whole shit interesting.

        • Hulk Hogan is running third party... And is planning to fix the national debt by having the government advertise for Rent-A-Center as well as product placements and paid advertisements during congressional debates.

          As the government never pays back the debt, we are getting more ripped off on what that debt bought than rent-2-own places scam you for -- they "only" charge net 2x what you should pay.

      • Re:Campaign season (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Yaztromo ( 655250 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @02:09AM (#52230839) Homepage Journal

        Yeah I think this is by far the biggest "douche vs turd" election I've ever witnessed, and I can't even fathom how it could possibly get even worse than this. Seriously, this year politics in America has probably hit rock bottom.

        If I may speak for a second on behalf of everyone in the rest of the world...

        America, you have just shy of 325 million residents. I don't know how many of those are natural-born residents eligible to run for US President, but I assume the percentage is fairly high. Let's say at least 275 million people. How is it that from such a huge number that these are the best people you could come up with???

        You guys really need to dig deeper for political talent. We in the outside world are getting worried about you if the current crop of clowns is the best you can find!

        Yaz

        • Re:Campaign season (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Lotana ( 842533 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @03:23AM (#52231043)

          Not that easy. Out of 275 citizens how many can afford a political campaign?

          If you are not rich or have backing of the rich, you don't count.

          • Re:Campaign season (Score:5, Insightful)

            by wwalker ( 159341 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @01:03PM (#52234647) Journal

            Or you can be like Bernie. Fuck, for once, there is a worthy, honest candidate, who really stands by his principles, who is not in a pocket of any corporations, who has a long history of doing the right thing, instead of going with the popular opinion of the time, and a lot of experience with politics. And he is still losing to Hillary because of the rigged democratic party (superdelegates) and a perceived "socialist" boogieman bullshit.

        • How is it that from such a huge number that these are the best people you could come up with???

          What? These are the people who are the most talented to become president. Having the most competent people to be president is another story.

        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Yeah I think this is by far the biggest "douche vs turd" election I've ever witnessed, and I can't even fathom how it could possibly get even worse than this. Seriously, this year politics in America has probably hit rock bottom.

          If I may speak for a second on behalf of everyone in the rest of the world...

          America, you have just shy of 325 million residents. I don't know how many of those are natural-born residents eligible to run for US President, but I assume the percentage is fairly high. Let's say at least 275 million people. How is it that from such a huge number that these are the best people you could come up with???

          You guys really need to dig deeper for political talent. We in the outside world are getting worried about you if the current crop of clowns is the best you can find!

          Yaz

          The problem is that the two major parties are broken.

          The Clinton and their apologists have captured the Democratic Party so thoroughly that Crooked Hillary! can literally commit felonies with classified data and still win the nomination, despite Sanders winning more votes from actual party members. And if you're naive enough believe for a second Crooked Hillary! didn't commit felonies with classified data: "If they can't, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure." - hrod17@clintonema [cbsnews.com]

        • Political Talent (Score:4, Interesting)

          by SeattleLawGuy ( 4561077 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @04:44AM (#52231261)

          You guys really need to dig deeper for political talent. We in the outside world are getting worried about you if the current crop of clowns is the best you can find!

          The problem is not political talent, but the ability to rule wisely and well. Our institutions, unfortunately, do not optimize for selection of a person with that skill set. And our press and population are, unfortunately, more interested in outrageous stories that generate lots of clicks and outrage than they are in reasonable discussions of issues which would recognize the interests of stakeholders and strive to develop meaningful plans.

          Most people probably do not encounter a single meaningful expert panel discussion on any policy issue even once in their lives. Our presidential debates are like children throwing sand in the sandbox when held against those.

        • Re:Campaign season (Score:5, Insightful)

          by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:21AM (#52231549) Homepage Journal

          How is it that from such a huge number that these are the best people you could come up with???

          We didn't come up with them. This is being done to us, not for us or by us.

      • Nowhere to go but up now!
      • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

        Oh well, let's see? How about when you guys in the US elected Carter. That was a brilliant move, of course he did get beat easily by Regan then there's the Dole move. You must be pretty young, but luckily there are plenty of ye olde news paper archives online these days so you can see what an actual "worse then today" election looks like.

    • by Z80a ( 971949 )

      It's a no-brainer choice here.

      • by tsqr ( 808554 )

        It's a no-brainer choice here.

        I agree completely. No brains to choose from at all.

  • Poverty (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MrKaos ( 858439 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @12:11AM (#52230567) Journal

    The stresses related to being poor.

    • Re:Poverty (Score:5, Interesting)

      by whoever57 ( 658626 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @12:18AM (#52230575) Journal
      Not just poverty. Medical insurance is so expensive and often has very high deductibles so that many middle class people don't go to the doctor when they probably should.
      • Which is why I find is so suspicious that the post ridiculously and spuriously includes this bias-ridden sentence:

        No mention was made of whether the cutover to Obamacare might have had some effect.

        Equally, a less Obamacare-dead-horse-beating person could have written, "No mention was made of whether the disastrous foreign policy blunders of George W Bush or the unprecedented obstructionist Congress-paralyzing politics of Mitch McConnell had some effect."

        LOL

        Although maybe I am being too quick to say that the above are all equally preposterous to mention as having had no effect. Because in

    • The stresses related to being poor.

      Being poor, or merely slipping from really rich into only slightly less rich?
      On a global scale, even "poor" Americans are rich. #First World Problems...

      • by MrKaos ( 858439 )

        The stresses related to being poor.

        Being poor, or merely slipping from really rich into only slightly less rich?

        In the case of the US stratification of classes means there is only the ultra-rich and everyone else.

        On a global scale, even "poor" Americans are rich. #First World Problems...

        On a global scale that's 1% of the population with 40% of the worlds wealth and everyone else.

  • Go figures? (Score:2, Insightful)

    730 vs 723 is not even 1%. The thing is, thanks to medical progresses mainly (and food supply...) life expectancy tended to get longer, i.e. a whole generation (seniors) who would have died earlier otherwise, is given a few years more. But everyone dies eventually, and we are maybe just witnessing the "older generation who was the first to benefit from those progresses" starting to die.
    • Re:Go figures? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Ungrounded Lightning ( 62228 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @01:01AM (#52230673) Journal

      ... everyone dies eventually, and we are maybe just witnessing the "older generation who was the first to benefit from those progresses" starting to die.

      But the death rate within each age group went up. Ageing population was already corrected for.

      • Ageing population was already corrected for.

        Ok, but ageing population death rate grew relatively more than the others, these are the raw figures [cdc.gov].

      • It's not just about ageing skewing the death rate higher in the future, it's about medical improvements in general, particularly vaccination and antibiotics, which skewed death rates across the board; there would have been a dip in death rates around the 1960's/1970's which consequently introduces an equivalent peak around about now.

  • by TigerPlish ( 174064 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @12:24AM (#52230587)

    "She lost the will to live."

    While that may sound mawkish, isn't it possible that many more folk are falling into depression, given the long-term downturn in the economy, the bleakness of the foreseeable future, and just a sense of "Man, nothing we can do will fix this?"

    I'm sure I'm projecting a bit here, but... I'm also sure a lot of y'all are thinking exactly the same thing. There's an ugly mood about America right now, and the media and politicos are trying to paper it over.. but it's there. The numbers are lying. We're not as well as they tell us we are. To me it feels like the mid to late 70's did. Ugh, that was ugly. I was 10 going into 1980, and I could sense it was ugly.

    So what I'm saying is.. maybe more people are dying off because things have been rotten for a couple of decades, and there's no end in sight?

    Could just be me, though. I'm a pessimist by nature and by training. Meteorology and then IT? Yeah. Expect the worst, always =o)

    • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

      To me it feels like the mid to late 70's did. Ugh, that was ugly. I was 10 going into 1980, and I could sense it was ugly.

      I wasn't 10, more like 4 but hey. My parents told me the stories of the crap they went through during that period and I can remember bits and pieces of what stuff was like here in Canada too. Wage and price controls for one thing, and my dad was mentioning the other day that everything feels like 1976 right now. Even in Florida(central) where I own property, it still hasn't recovered from 2008 and when I was down there early this year there were just as many forclosures popping up as there were in 2007,

    • by Gamasta ( 557555 )

      I'd rephrase what you said a bit by stating that a society based on consumerism, bombarded with advertisements of happy families consuming product X, might be hard on e.g. the unemployed or singles. Some people may be just bored because life isn't so hard as it was for previous generations (so many appliances manage the household today) and there is more time to worry about things and be unhappy about.

    • by skam240 ( 789197 )

      I think a big part of the problem you describe is modern media telling us things are way worse in the world than they are. Most people seem to think violent crime in the last 70 years has gone up in America when it has done almost nothing but gone down. Likewise, war in this world we live in? We live in one of the most peaceful periods in global history and yet modern media crams the few truly tragic events happening around the world down our throats like they are the norm.

  • Genocide (Score:5, Insightful)

    by axewolf ( 4512747 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @01:44AM (#52230773)

    The people, especially whites, are being punished for the failed social doctrine to which they have been subject. They are too hard to please; they need more resources to do work than immigrants from the third world. They expect a quality of life that "they don't deserve" according to our leaders and people who don't have any real problems in their lives in general ("they're not me so fuck them" syndrome).

    The situation boils down to the simple fact that we have incompetent leaders that are incapable of mobilizing our human resources because they live in a bubble and can't relate to anything they don't have first-hand experience in, which is not much. They are used to having people do all of that for them, but their social doctrine has seen that all of those people have disappeared.
    They've milked the cow too dry: the worst aspect is that the world wars damaged the population severely by disrupting the traditional transference of knowledge, habit, and experience; too many kids grew up without fathers and the media failed to pick up the pieces.

    If throwing money at the problem by making an exaggerated effort to solve it with whatever devices happen to be lying around doesn't work immediately, as was the case with the media, our leaders find the problem to be impossibly difficult to solve. The quality of true innovation has escaped them from generation after generation of soft living; they completely rely on others that they can entice with wealth to do everything for them. They have inherited a system that they very barely can keep track of and have completely forgotten how it was made. They have lost the characteristics that allowed their ancestors to make it to begin with.

    If they can't solve the puzzle, then, like the spoiled rotten idiot children they are, they start attacking it. See: the recent "recession". It is simply the rich robbing everyone who isn't working in the industries with the most growth. Squeezing people dry until there's nothing left to shed but their very lives. This ensures that people are living day-to-day and cannot organize to do something to help themselves (against their leaders' interests), like enact a revolution (like the German Third Reich).

    • And perhaps stimulated bad lifestyles by industrial tycoons. Lobbyists have more power than the complete registered amount of civilian voters. So being addicted to sugar, fat, salt and other food substitutes will not prolong your life ...

    • by Evtim ( 1022085 )

      Isn't the problem even deeper than that? What I see from History is that fundamentally the wealth distribution remains more or less the same regardless of the socio-economic system. Sure, the absolute value grows but one might say this comes at the expense of the future generations since the idea of "progress" is eating as much as possible from the [one and only available, finite] cake while fighting the other kids. First we had chiefs and witch doctors, then we had slavers, then we had feudal lords, then w

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 02, 2016 @01:49AM (#52230785)

    Maybe the reason is that the USAians are working harder and longer than before, and because of the always-present stress about making ends meet.

    Perhaps some unions or welfare system would be nice to have?

  • Lack of Privacy? (Score:2, Interesting)

    I wonder how the increasing lack of privacy may psychologically impact indirectly the death rate, and more specifically the suicide rate. The amazing revelations from Snowden, the recording of whatever / whenever, the increasing ability to flag any light wrongdoing, or being reachable at any time and place are all factors that add their small amount of permanent stress.
  • Studies have shown that 100% of all people BORN, will eventually DIE :)
    Increased birth rates will necessarily lead to increased death rates somewhere down the line.

  • by redcliffe ( 466773 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @03:36AM (#52231063) Homepage Journal

    USA! USA! USA!

  • Another article, another lack of error stated in quoted figures.

    What is the standard deviation on those per 100,000 figures? A change from 723 to 730 deaths per 100,000 sounds like it could be heavily made up by the (perfectly understandable) random fluctuations in death rates for each type of illness.

  • 35 years of widespread use of statins are showing their results. Depression, Alzheimer's [mit.edu], and generally worse health in old age.

  • Why bother going on?
  • It was science that got the death-rate this low and life expectancy this high. For years we've warned that the anti-science movement risks undoing those gains. The anti-science movement has only grown stronger over this time. Surely we should consider the possibility that this is that prediction coming true. That the blame for this belongs with the anti-vaxers and the homepaths and if so - perhaps that other rabid anti-science group so prevalent here on slashdot who think that cause and effect somehow doesn

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    • Is the amount of doctors visits the same or has that declined as well?

      The very poor now can go to the doctor, and some of them do. That means that there's less health care to go around for the middle class, because the AMA has successfully made it harder than necessary to become a doctor (not everyone is going to work in an ER someday) which keeps down the supply of health care professionals, and which keeps the pay high which means that people who don't give one tenth of one shit about you become doctors anyway. Meanwhile, the upper-lower class or lower-middle class can no l

  • BIG ELEPHANT (Score:3, Insightful)

    by superwiz ( 655733 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @07:12AM (#52231795) Journal
    "Not sure why" is hilarious. When Sarah Palin became the first major politician to use twitter, the Democrats laughed at her. When she said that Putin, if not thwarted, may eye invading Ukraine, they laughed at her. When she said she didn't read any one newspaper for her news (as anyone who looks at news aggregators doesn't), they laughed at her. When she said Obamacare would destroy the quality (not access, but quality) of medical care in this country, they ridiculed her. Well, keep laughing, ass holes.

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