Want to read Slashdot from your mobile device? Point it at m.slashdot.org and keep reading!

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×
Science

E-Cigs Are Exploding In Vapers' Faces At An Alarming Rate (buzzfeed.com) 361

E-cigs are becoming increasingly popular, but are they safe enough? BuzzFeed News is reporting about accidents where e-cigs have exploded in vapers' faces. The report claims that these incidents are occurring at an alarming rate. From the report (condensed): Across the country, defective e-cigarettes -- the nicotine delivery machines that have taken over every strip mall and sidewalk, seemingly overnight -- are creating hundreds of victims like Cavins (a 63-year-old Orange, California-based family therapist who lost an eye after an e-cig device exploded in his face), people whose lives are suddenly and horrifyingly changed when their devices blow up. They are people like Thomas Boes, whose vape exploded while he was driving outside San Diego and struck him with such force that two of the three teeth he lost lodged in his upper palate; Kenneth Barbero, whose exploding device ripped a hole in his tongue; and Marcus Forzani, a 17-year-old whose left leg was charred from his calf to his thigh after a vape battery exploded in his pocket. An unpublished FDA analysis found 66 reports of e-cigarette overheating, fires, and explosions in 2015 and the first month of 2016, a number the agency calls "an underestimate of actual events."
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

E-Cigs Are Exploding In Vapers' Faces At An Alarming Rate

Comments Filter:
  • by just another AC ( 2679463 ) on Thursday May 26, 2016 @12:26PM (#52188551)

    And people say evolutionary pressure doesn't exist in modern society...

    • And before the bleeding heart crowd jump down my throat, I refer to the lamentation that previously darwinian habits (like deliberately inhaling things that cause cancer etc) do not have the corresponding effect due to socially responsible advances in medicine.

    • by michelcolman ( 1208008 ) on Thursday May 26, 2016 @12:46PM (#52188811)

      Cigarettes used to slowly degrade your teeth, affect your eyesight and turn your face into something that looks like roadkill [pinterest.com]. Looks like these e-cigarettes are a huge improvement then! No more waiting 20 or 30 years for the cancer to set in, instant results in the blink of an eye.

    • Exactly! Exploding Vapes is not a bug, it's an (evolutionary) feature!
    • by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Thursday May 26, 2016 @10:20PM (#52192647) Homepage Journal

      missing and eye and your front teeth doesn't really slow you down from procreating. Given that your offspring would have their eyes and teeth, as e-cig explosions don't alter your genes. So you really only need to survive until they are able to take care of themselves.

  • Wow (Score:5, Insightful)

    by geek ( 5680 ) on Thursday May 26, 2016 @12:28PM (#52188573)

    66 whole reports?! Why, we need a law immediately! Someone call Congress!

    • Re:Wow (Score:5, Interesting)

      by BenJeremy ( 181303 ) on Thursday May 26, 2016 @12:30PM (#52188601)

      Hundreds of victims!

      No way is this FUD from the tobacco industry trying to protect their cigarette, gum and patch sales.

      • From what I've read on forums, it seems a lot of people are trying to use the 18650's from old laptop and power tool batteries or order the cheap "ULTRAFIRE" brand on eBay. And from the comments on those forums, I'd say there really is a danger with these stupid devices.

        Even if you use one with the built-in battery, who's to say the manufacturer didn't cut costs by going with the same ULTRAFIRE battery?

        I'd be more interested in analyzing the BOM of each exploded device.

        • Re:Wow (Score:5, Interesting)

          by TheGratefulNet ( 143330 ) on Thursday May 26, 2016 @12:43PM (#52188771)

          I was looking for those 18650 batts for an arduino project (good for quadrapeds) and I noticed all the really scary sounding chinese brand names like ultrafire.

          could the chinese - oh, I don't know - HIRE someone who speaks english as a first language and consult with them before picking stupid anglo sounding names?

          whoever thought that adding the word 'fire' to a BATTERY would help sales - he needs to spend some qualty time with the same batteries for extended periods.

          china simply sells the lowest quality that will still allow them to continue to sell but that is so dangerous and has no q/a that a US vendor would be sued to bankruptcy in no time flat.

          thing is; you can't sue china or their companies! this is the scam. you guy some dangerous shit from amazon or ebay via chia brands and it blows up on you. who do you go after? amazon has lawyers to cover themselves. good luck with that. ebay, same thing and they'll just blame the seller, who is already on his 23rd company name, soon to 'go out of business' and restart all over again.

          this is the scam. they are untouchable and they know it.

          china batteries are the issue. its not about anything else but the batteries and the chargers. both are fires just waiting to happen.

          • Ban all non-underwriters laboratories certified batteries from sale? Deny insurance claims caused by non-compliant batteries?

          • by Nethead ( 1563 )

            Were you looking on BangGood.com? Love that name.

          • Bes' price. Bes' price!

            --- Every Chinese marketing / salesperson ever.

          • whoever thought that adding the word 'fire' to a BATTERY would help sales - he needs to spend some qualty time with the same batteries for extended periods.

            Or they might need to have a fire sale.

        • i really don't understand how lithium was ever deemed safe for pocket devices. if i had a tesla car, i'd be really scared of even the smallest collision. fortunately, my hybrid has a NiMH battery.

          • Re:Wow (Score:5, Informative)

            by bluefoxlucid ( 723572 ) on Thursday May 26, 2016 @12:50PM (#52188845) Homepage Journal

            That's funny because tesla cars are the least-dangerous in the most-severe collisions. Even when the battery is all fucked up, the fire is isolated away from the passenger compartment; and high-impact collisions transfer much less energy to the driver and passengers, thanks to enormous crumple zones.

          • Re:Wow (Score:4, Informative)

            by Firethorn ( 177587 ) on Thursday May 26, 2016 @12:55PM (#52188895) Homepage Journal

            i really don't understand how lithium was ever deemed safe for pocket devices. if i had a tesla car, i'd be really scared of even the smallest collision. fortunately, my hybrid has a NiMH battery.

            Which tells me that you haven't examined the risks. For example, you don't worry about the gasoline tank in your hybrid, but that's a lot more likely to be involved in or cause a fire.

            Tesla has had a few cars catch fire, but at a lower rate than traditional vehicles. Perhaps even more notably, they've been able to warn their occupants to get out, and even then erupt in fire slowly enough for people to safely escape.

            Looking at the other comments, it seems that people are attempting to use dodgy cells in them.

          • How many times have the rather large lithium batteries in the smartphones currently in millions of peoples' pockets right now exploded? It is not a matter of chemistry, but a matter of quality control. If e-cigs were regulated at the same level as smartphones (or at all, really), we would not be having this conversation.

        • by sjames ( 1099 )

          THIS!

          Many newer e-cigs specify that their batteries must be rated for at least 20A discharge and they mean it. If you put old laptop cells and such it them (or flashlight batteries), there is a real risk of it failing "dramatically". Given how many people do that, I'm actually impressed and surprised that it's only 66.

          Of course, I notice the FDA lumped everything from mild redness due to an overheat and something that might be describable as an explosion into the same category to fluff it up to 66.

          So, use o

      • Comment removed based on user account deletion
        • Cigarettes - $10/day habit.

          e-juice: $1-$2 / day

          • And all but a couple bucks of that cigarette pack are taxes, so it's not money that the tobacco industry is seeing.

            My answer would be that e-cigs likely use synthetic nicotine.

            • Comment removed based on user account deletion
              • Disclaimer: Not a vaper. Have never cared for (recreational) drugs so no interest beyond thinking it's an interesting use of technology.

                I'm not one either.

                Another thought - even if they're getting their nicotine from tobacco, they might be getting it from 'scrap' tobacco that was deemed unfit for use in cigars, cigarettes, as dip, etc...

              • Have never cared for (recreational) drugs

                Just curious - do you drink alcohol? Or caffeine? If so, do you define "recreational" drugs as "any drugs other than the ones I use"?

        • I'm missing this one - the tobacco industry presumably supplies the nicotine that's vaped by these things

          You presume wrongly.

    • Re:Wow (Score:5, Interesting)

      by TemporalBeing ( 803363 ) <bm_witness AT yahoo DOT com> on Thursday May 26, 2016 @12:36PM (#52188675) Homepage Journal

      66 whole reports?! Why, we need a law immediately! Someone call Congress!

      I wonder..how many...new Lung Cancer incidents due to tobacco were there in the same period? house fires? car fires?

    • 66 whole reports?! Why, we need a law immediately! Someone call Congress!

      Since you're the self-appointed arbiter, please specify the minimum number of people injured / killed before any action (or even investigation) should be taken on a possibly faulty or poorly designed consumer product? Is it okay for 66, but not 100 ... While I assume you were joking, there *are* people that think like that.

      • by geek ( 5680 )

        66 whole reports?! Why, we need a law immediately! Someone call Congress!

        Since you're the self-appointed arbiter, please specify the minimum number of people injured / killed before any action (or even investigation) should be taken on a possibly faulty or poorly designed consumer product? Is it okay for 66, but not 100 ... While I assume you were joking, there *are* people that think like that.

        Of course there are people that think like that. I was directly making fun of them. It's not about numbers, it's about personal choice and responsibility. These should be civil cases and remain civil cases. The press should do their job (in this case they did) and report on it. People can then make an educated decision.

        If cell phones could blow up in peoples pockets, I'm not sure why people didn't think these things wouldn't blow up in their faces. But how many people were burned by regular cigarettes in th

    • Can you imagine if 66 people died from smoking cigarettes? Why, they'd be banned immediately.

      cf. regulatory capture

    • 66 whole reports?! Why, we need a law immediately! Someone call Congress!

      Actually, we might. Is this really anything to do with vaping? Seems to me it's more about making electronics with rechargeable batteries not explode.

    • 66 whole reports?! Why, we need a law immediately! Someone call Congress!

      We don't need a law - the FDA has already unilaterally passed a rule that will essentially get rid of the e-cigarette market [washingtonpost.com]. Except, of course, for the crappy disposables that Big Tobacco sells at convenience stores.

      • And so this is where globalism triumphs: assemble your own from parts easily found online and screwed together. Let's see the FDA do something about that.

  • And the solution (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 26, 2016 @12:29PM (#52188585)

    Government to the rescue!

    Seriously, use a protected battery, use only one battery in the device, in low wattage devices that have short-circuit protection, and don't overcharge your battery. And don't buy the cheap shit batteries - the three bucks you save won't be worth it. It's that fucking simple.

  • Time to mandate that they're sold in plain black packaging with a scary picture on it.

  • by Rob MacDonald ( 3394145 ) on Thursday May 26, 2016 @12:33PM (#52188637)
    The battery... I've only ever heard of them exploding or overheating with the massive, third party, batteries that go well beyond 4.8v This is the same nonsense as the "e-ciggs cause popcorn lung" fiasco. No, they don't. But if you are an idiot that heats it up to 700 degrees, you deserve what you get. I've quick smoking thanks to my ecigg, and i'm basically done using that as a crutch. THAT'S why these reports exist, follow the trail and you'll find yourself at the feet of big tobacco
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Any lithium cell can reach an explosion point with the exception of the coin cells that don't really have the amount of electrolyte (or the architectural strength of a cylinder) to explode.

      Thermal fuses are not expensive, I can't imagine they're saving that much money by omitting them. My best guess is "cut cells"* from China are not reattaching the fuses and the double whammy with the reduced capacity is what's causing them to explode.

      (Cut cells are what we refer to as the degraded cells that some Chinese

    • by gosand ( 234100 )

      ecigs to help people quit smoking? *golf clap*
      ecigs that are modified and/or used for "competitive vaping" *shrugs*

      Idiots ruin everything, and lawyers soon follow. That may be redundant.

    • by Kohath ( 38547 )

      And big government. Government makes a hell of a lot more money on cigarettes than tobacco companies do. E-cigs are a competitive threat to that revenue stream, and early death from cigarette smoking is a cost savings to government.

      If "follow the money" is predictive, expect e-cigs to be heavily regulated and taxed to try to make sure the nicotine-addicted are still paying more and costing less.

  • by Kenshin ( 43036 ) <.kenshin. .at. .lunarworks.ca.> on Thursday May 26, 2016 @12:36PM (#52188671) Homepage

    This is why you never accept a vape from Bugs Bunny.

  • To many are also using devices that are completely sealed so if the battery does "let go" the pressure exits the easiest way. This is out the atomizer connection as it is usually only pressure fitted. One final thing about they guy who put the battery in his pocket and burned his leg. Well don't put a high energy battery in a pocket with loose metal. It shorted out and dumped all of it's energy in a split second causing his pants to catch.

  • Lawsuit time! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Firethorn ( 177587 ) on Thursday May 26, 2016 @12:46PM (#52188813) Homepage Journal

    I know that the first thing people will reach for is regulatory oversight, including banning them, but I remember that Underwriter's Laboratories isn't a government agency, and people are buying vaporizers from dodgy sources. Lawsuits, in this case, can only do so much I think. The companies will simply go bankrupt.

    So I have to ask, as I'm a non-smoker who hasn't looked into it, are there any safety organizations that have published safety standards and are offering their guarantee mark to vaporizers that meet said safety standards?

    A few stories like this making the rounds of e-cig communication lines(forums, magazines, websites), and the saying to 'get a UL listed one or you risk it blowing up!', and safety should improve.

  • Everybody knows that smoking kills you. The 'modern' method just does it quicker.

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Informative)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday May 26, 2016 @12:54PM (#52188881)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by The Grim Reefer ( 1162755 ) on Thursday May 26, 2016 @12:55PM (#52188905)
    Bic lighters [philly.com] have been blamed for several deaths and several injuries over the years too. The link above was in regards specifically to Bic lighters from 1979 to 1984.
  • Oh, come on, no-name lithium batteries have to fail sometime.

  • I was smoking an e-cig while riding on my hoverboard [dailydot.com] when my Dell laptop battery exploded [pcworld.com] in my backpack.

  • Comment removed (Score:4, Informative)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday May 26, 2016 @01:08PM (#52189017)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • by swb ( 14022 )

      I gots to keep up with the leet vaperz on the intertubz.

      I got me a 20kWh unregulated battery, a .1 ohm coil made from kanthal I bought direct from de China mail order place and some 3.6% nic juice I brewed from botanicals at the local hippie shop.

      Best part is, if my car dies I can get so cranked on nicotine I can push it the last 10 miles or my mod can jump start it.

  • by fl_litig8r ( 904972 ) on Thursday May 26, 2016 @01:43PM (#52189369)

    will undoubtedly account for 99% of these cases. There are no details in this story about what caused the batteries to explode, but I've read other articles which sometimes shed light on these cases. The guy with the leg burns kept loose batteries in his pocket with keys and coins. Another victim was a brand new vaper using a mech mod (it said he pushed the button on the bottom of the device, a tell-tale sign that it was a mech mod), and it was clear that someone else has prepared his gear and he had no idea what he was doing. In fact, I'd wager that most people with exploding batteries were mech mod users. Why mech mods still exist is beyond me. They have no protective circuitry, so if your build causes too high a draw on the battery, or the device gets stuck in the "on" position, you're going to have a big problem.

    The one possibly unavoidable problem with any e-cigarette is counterfeit batteries. If you're trying to be safe and you buy Sony, Samsung or LG batteries, it can be tough to tell if they're genuine or not (I've gotten counterfeits myself through an Amazon third-party seller). If I have any doubts that a battery I'm using isn't genuine, it gets boxed and disposed of immediately. Of course, counterfeit batteries aren't only a problem for vapers, but the proximity of the device to your face will generally cause more damage than for, say, a flashlight user.

  • by burtosis ( 1124179 ) on Thursday May 26, 2016 @01:54PM (#52189481)
    These types of batteries are basically identical to those found in iPhones or any other modern device. Most are cylindrical lithium polymer. What is causing the problems is three basic things.

    1) A complete lack of safety circuitry. Forget a smart battery system and gas gauging, many of the units I took apart had no safety at all (relied on the charger alone) to at most a leaky over and under voltage protection that was custom implemented. No charge or discharge current sensing and no temperature sensing. No faulty cell detection and no permenant disable for a faulty battery. Just like when Lipo batteries first hit the hobby market this means fires galore, and when enclosed, sizable explosions.

    2) People use the incorrect chargers. Add to that little to no safety and it's a disaster.

    3) People modify thier units without knowing what they are actually doing. They may have read a forum post or read a blog or had a friend do it. They don't realize any dangers or take any precautions.

    Disclaimer: I have designed smart battery systems for products in the field. I have had failures but nothing the safety systems did not shut down before catastrophe.
  • Now if only there was some way to make real cigarettes do the same thing...

  • for some time now. It gives us a buzzy head and make us die sooner. That wasn't good enough. We figured out a way to add circuitry and potentially explosive batteries. We will now get buzzy heads and die sooner but not as soon. We promise not to be surprised when something goes badly. Is it just us or do dolphins sound like they're laughing?

"Facts are stupid things." -- President Ronald Reagan (a blooper from his speeach at the '88 GOP convention)

Working...