Obesity 'Explosion' In Young Rural Chinese A Result Of Socioeconomic Changes, Study Warns (bbc.com) 165
An anonymous reader quotes a report from BBC: Obesity has rapidly increased in young rural Chinese, a study has warned, because of socioeconomic changes. Researchers found 17% of boys and 9% of girls under the age of 19 were obese in 2014, up from 1% for each in 1985. The 29-year study, published in the European Journal of Preventive Cardiology, involved nearly 28,000 students in Shandong province. The study said China's rapid socioeconomic and nutritional transition has led to an increase in energy intake and a decrease in physical activity. The data was taken from six government surveys of rural school children in Shandong aged between seven and 18. The percentage of overweight children has also grown from 0.7% to 16.4% for boys and from 1.5% to nearly 14% for girls, the study said. "It is the worst explosion of childhood and adolescent obesity that I have ever seen," Joep Perk from the European Society of Cardiology told AFP news agency.
Obesity explosion eh? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Obesity explosion eh? (Score:4, Funny)
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Obesity explosion is nothing new, Monty Python did it years ago.
Get the bloody bucket!
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Calorie poor countries tend to have relatively wealthy people who are overweight because they can be and poor people can't be.
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These are two of the conditions that contribute to increased risk for overweight and obesity:
It is well-documented that inactivity increases the risk of overweight and obesity, and that the risks are reduced by regular physical activity (NNR5, 2014).
While foods with low energy density are often rich in fibre and water (such as vegetables and many types of fruit), foods with a high energy-density often contain a lot of fat and added sugar.
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Calories are a measure of heat, so I'm assuming he means cold places.
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What's a "calorie poor country"? Anyways, if the vague meaning of your statement is that " the rich is fat", sorry, you're just wrong. The US is fat, not all the wealthy nations. Norway has a far higher per-capita GDP than the US, a better and fairer wealth distribution, and a far lower obesity rate.
A calorie poor country is where there isn't enough food for everyone which makes food - or calories - equivalent to wealth.
Examples include much of Asia and Africa where if you are not wealthy then you cannot eat enough to get fat.
Wealthy nations are, by definition, not calorie poor.
Why is this here? (Score:2, Informative)
"News for Nerds. Stuff That Matters."
This is like browsing the front page of yahoo.com or something. WTF? Why is this even here? And it's not like China is the topic either, as comments will immediately change the subject to America.
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Depends on whether or not the new dotcom cycle busts before or at the same point that the economy hits the wall.
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Is that some kind of inverse Moore's Law?
(this service brought to you to make this at least somehow nerd-stuff-related)
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"News for Nerds. Stuff That Matters."
You're right. The global obesity epidemic is of no interest. It's not interesting to see how it's playing out in countries other than America (who's currently #1 ignoring very small countries).
Whiplash, if you're listening, can you please NOT post anything except stories about new kernels and vi versus emacs threads.
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I write most of my code in emacs, but I do my system administration with vi.
But if I'm in a hurry, I use just cat.
To stay on topic, I lost 50lb over the last 2.5 years by removing heavily processed ingredients from my diet and increasing my exercise. The secret about calories and processed foods... the processed crap has more calories for the same volume of food, or the same amount of flavor. You can eat a big plate of veggies with a reasonable amount of yummy sauce, and be losing weight right from the base
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"News for Nerds. Stuff That Matters."
This is like browsing the front page of yahoo.com or something. WTF? Why is this even here?
There are technological aspects to the issue, such as what we ingest - and it isn't all just the food, it's what it is packaged in.
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"News for Nerds. Stuff That Matters."
This is like browsing the front page of yahoo.com or something. WTF? Why is this even here? And it's not like China is the topic either, as comments will immediately change the subject to America.
Nerds struggle with obesity (just like everyone else).
Nerds also like interesting scientific problems. Why are young rural Chinese in particular being affected? Have they really just gotten that lazy? Are the types of food different? Was there supply pressure discouraging overeating previously? Other societal factors? Is this just affecting children or is something similar happening to adults?
Obesity is fascinating as a health issue. We know exactly how to make a fat person thin, just starve them for a whil
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Why, did they sell the site again and this time to some religious group?
There are no girls... (Score:1)
Why stay in shape?
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This is China. There are no girls, period.
Is McDonalds available there now? (Score:3)
I can tell you the source. McDonalds and other fast food. Ban those and the obesity will drop fast. Also Bad Sodas like Coke, Pepsi,etc...
I love the Bullshit people claiming "adding meat did this" no it's the horridly overprocessed shit that fast food places sell coupled with drinking Gallons of sugar water daily.
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McDonalds and other fast food. Ban those and the obesity will drop fast
To change that, you need to change laws. But, while there are tons of laws to keep people from being physically hurt, it seems difficult to institute strict laws related to eating and drinking (and selling food/drinks).
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Same as everything else; you change your own attitude and practices, and stop worrying about how fat people are, or whatever their other lifestyle choices are.
Labeling is legit because it enables choice. But wanting the result of people making approved choices is perhaps a very different thing.
Attitudes have changed; even major fast food chains now sell salads. Why? Many customers want to eat healthier than they wanted to a couple decades ago. Are they going to actually stop eating globs of syrup and polyso
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Do you even know if McDonalds is present in RURAL areas of China? Last I looked, they were in the cities. And I'd like to see your figures on the "Bad Sodas" usage. What are the "Good Sodas"? If you don't actually have any of this data (hint: you don't), then I suggest actually reading the study conveniently linked to this story. One point is that the study, for whatever reason, used a stricter BMI classification than the WHO. Apparently, the researchers thought they were smarter than the rest of the
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What are the "Good Sodas"?
Water with a slice of lemon.
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In most of Asia, small towns only have KFC, not McDonalds. McDonalds is an American thing, and a big city "American food" thing. KFC is the locally-familiar fast food in Asia.
And in Thailand, American Food usually means Pizza Hut instead of McDonalds. But KFC is still king of crapfood.
Simple minds (Score:2)
Always believe that sociological problems are simple. Banning fast food and soft drinks does not increase activity, so it does not fix the problem. Soda bans in NYC for example did nothing to curb obesity, not even a little. Similarly, forcing 30 minutes of exercise does not change the source food so has mixed results. Exercise with a shitty diet leads to injury and illness.
The problem is really both diet and exercise. "Western" lifestyle has drastically changed both of those things. Solutions won't c
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30 minutes exercise does nothing.
The first 45 minutes are in an adult fueled by sugar stored in the liver.
Only after that time the body starts to burn fat. So basically everything less than 90 minutes makes not much sense.
Yes, doing exercises would change your base burning rate, but depending on what you eat, high fat combined with high carbs and lots of sugar deposits the fat you eat directly into the fat cells.
The problem is really both diet and exercise.
No, it is 100% diet. People tend to overestimate
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I have to disagree. The calorie density of the food itself does NOT appear to be the cause of obesity when careful studies are done.
The only reason "healthy" food makes people lose weight is because it tastes like crap. Eating bad-tasting food indeed is an appetite suppressor, resulting in some weight loss. You can demonstrate the extreme of this by shitting in a hamburger: nobody will eat it.
It's the yumminess that makes a burger fattening, not fat,
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If you try to ban Sugardrink, criminals will just sell it on the streetcorner. And none of the neighbors will report them, because they'll be armed and on a sugar rush.
Just Say No to added sugar. Attend a meeting. Or buy a masticating slow juicer and switch to fresh carrot juice.
The Cure (Score:5, Interesting)
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The obvious answer is to herd those young people into the military... not that I suggest it is a good answer, just the obvious one
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China is in the process of shrinking the number of soldiers they have, so they can modernize and have a high tech military instead. So for people who read news about the subject you bring up, it would be very non-obvious to think there would be room for them there.
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China is in the process of shrinking the number of soldiers they have, so they can modernize and have a high tech military instead.
Yeah, good luck with that shit. The only way China is scary right now is if they use their numbers.
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China is in the process of shrinking the number of soldiers they have, so they can modernize and have a high tech military instead.
Yeah, good luck with that shit. The only way China is scary right now is if they use their numbers.
Right, they probably have other users for their military than scaring some random guy on the internet.
In fact, looking around the world, there is no country or even non-State actors who would have any reason to care what you think.
OTOH, every military analysis available says that they've been working on a major modernization plan for a long time and they've already made a bunch of progress.
Where do you live that their numbers are scary? Vietnam? Even their other neighbors are more worried about the moderniz
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China is less restrained in problem solving than we are. I hate to think just what they might do if obesity officially becomes a problem. Somehow i picture youth being herded into fat camps where they labor and are forced to get into slender shapes. They obviously keep their military people in a very slim form by simply keeping them hungry and requiring exercise.
Fat kids don't make that good of organ donors, so you're right; it will take a bunch of forced labor just to prepare them for, uh, re-education.
Nothing re-educates a being like being divided and placed inside a bunch of other bodies. Just ask a falun gong practitioner! Or at least, ask their kidneys.
Communism cures obesity (Score:4, Insightful)
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Yes, what has made Chinese kids fat is capitalism. Those 20-hour workdays in Mao's fields have been replaced by online gaming.
Perhaps the logical cure is to introduce Western-style hipsterism in China. Let them eat kale.
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So communism is slaving away 20 hours a day farming rice in a field.
And capitalism is slaving away 20 hours a day farming gold in a computer game.
Explain to me again why capitalism won, it makes so little sense.
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Yes, what has made Chinese kids fat is capitalism.
No, that's what made American kids fat.
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North Korea is not a communist state - it is a dictatorship. Just like Russia under Stalin.
Not that I advocate Communism - I think it would actually be nice if it worked, but any system that relies on everyone being 'perfect' and working toward the common good is clearly doomed to fail horribly.
[communism] would actually be nice if it worked
How is the same "pigs" you hate in capitalism fighting for control to dictate your place and job in society something nice, even if it "worked"?
What makes the West great is freedom, not democracy, which is a point lost on most people.
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I don't think it is an accurate comparison to the Soviet Union. It is basically a Confucian hereditary dictatorship, which is based on the idea of hereditary meritocracy. Disproven, sure; that's why China isn't trying it. Not communist at all, but also not Soviet.
Welcome to the First World, China! (Score:2)
Muhahahah.
It's coming for everyone.
http://www.techtimes.com/artic... [techtimes.com]
"WHO Warns Of Upcoming Obesity Epidemic In Europe"
I've said for years that it's not an "American" thing, it's an affluence thing.
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it's an affluence thing.
Obvious to anyone who's traveled extensively around the world
hardly a surprise when... (Score:2)
hardly a surprise when you look at their pop stars/role models:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
And games again knew it first! (Score:2)
Remember Command & Conquer Generals [youtube.com]?
better than malnourishment (Score:2)
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One could argue that obesity is a form of malnourishment. Not under-nourishment, malnourishment.
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Practically speaking, someone who is 20 pounds overweight is almost always more healthy than someone who is 20 pounds underweight.
Mass poisoning (Score:2)
Obesity is a form of mass poisoning. The food supply is the problem.
That scene from the Meaning of Life (Score:2)
Separating causation will be hard (Score:2)
People of course use data like this to support their favourite issues such as processed food, fast food, sugar, western diets, etc. Not that
fat = wealthy in China (Score:2)
some random video on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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They've eaten a lot of rice for centuries. It's not the rice. It's the increase in meat, dairy and processed foods - they want to eat like Westerners.
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Mainly the increase in processed foods. Meat and dairy without the massive increase in liver-processed sugars and extremely calorie dense snacks wouldn't cause nearly as much obesity.
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The real key here is the decrease in activity. Farmers typically eat diets rich in meats and dairy ( processed or not) , and yet stay thin. Because they burn those calories and convert the protein into muscle.
Processed foods may be a contributing cause,but the basic cause of obesity remains the same: eat more calories than you burn, and you'll gain weight. . .
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And, they are naturally curved, not fat.
you are partially correct.... (Score:5, Informative)
It is a glandular problem, their glands are being over worked. People are eating more and more foods that put the body through the 'hormone roller coaster' where their blood sugar spikes and falls. Increased carbs and sugars elevate insulin levels while overloading the liver with carbs. Your body gets physically addicted to this, which makes you crave it more and the problem only gets worse.
Being fat is not a problem of overeating, calorie in/out, or laziness. It is due to an unbalance in the body's ability to regulate fat storage which is controlled by hormones. (primarily insulin - see roller coaster) People aren't overweight because they eat a lot - they eat a lot because they are overweight! The more fat someone has, the hungrier they will be and the less energy they will have to exercise.
Ever wonder how someone with a true glandular malfunction can grow bigger and bigger no matter what they eat? Why kids shoot up and grow rapidly at a certain age? Hormones run the show.
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Having lost just shy of over a hundred pounds over the past three years, I have a perspective on "overeating".
The stereotype is some greedy, willpower-less person stuffing his face with mounds of food, but really gorging has very little to do with it. It's a very subtle difference between having calorie intake and output in equilibrium, and gaining or losing weight. In the thirty or so years between when I reached my current height and when I reached my maximum weight, I gained 120 pounds. That works out to nearly exactly 5 grams of weight gain per day -- about the weight of a US nickel. Now some of that weight gain was muscle -- I was active in sports all the way up to the point where I hit my maximum weight. I won't bore you with the calculations, but my lean body weight increased by about 45 pounds while I added 75 pounds of fat. But let's assume all of that was fat. How many calories in excess of equilibrium would you have to eat to gain 5 grams of fat? About 45 calories. In comparison a single slice of dry, white bread has about 75 calories. My "overeating" was the equivalent of an extra half an apple a day, every day for thirty years.
It's very easy to gain weight. You don't have to be a pig to do it. Conversely, I have found it's very easy to lose weight. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think that's the case. I believe anyone can do it, if they understand how their body works. I think the problem is that people believe the body has a kind of wisdom of its own; in my experience that's rubbish. Your body is a machine; a machine built for killing mammoths that's currently spending its days sitting in a chair churning out code. Of course it's not going to work right.
So screw all that "trust your body's wisdom" nonsense. Your body is dumb. It can't keep track of how much it has eaten; your stomach basically has three fullness settings: eat something right away, I could eat a little more, and I'm going to barf I'm so full. The rest of satiety is your dumb reptilian brain at work. Studies show that if you serve yourself cereal out of a larger box, you'll take a larger serving than if you serve yourself cereal out of a small box, and feel equally full either way. Same thing if you eat off a big plate. Smaller plates (and utensils) mean you feel full after eating less. Chewing more makes you think you've eaten more. Because you're an idiot, at least most of you (everything from your cortex down) is. Stop expecting your body to act reasonably. It can't.
Imagine you're in a space capsule. You've been trained to watch a gauge, and to manipulate a lever so that the gauge stays in a certain narrow range because if it goes out of that range the capsule fails. You'd watch that gauge like a hawk because if the capsule fails, you die. That capsule is your body, and if it fails, you die. So what I do is I (a) wear an activity monitor (b) measure/weigh everything that I am about to eat and log it in a calorie counting app religiously, (c) aim to maintain about a 500 calories deficit every day, and (d) weigh myself and take a body fat measurement every day. That's pretty much it. Oh, there's tricks you can play on your reptilian brain to make achieving calorie deficit easier (small plates, big volume/chewy food; getting choosier about what I eat because I don't get to eat without thinking, putting a timer on to pace myself to no more than 25 calories/min). But those things are peripheral. Measurement is central. You can't get the machine to do what you want unless you measure its inputs and outputs. It's best to maintain your intake and output goals separately, by the way -- that is don't automatically up your calorie intake because you've exercised, but if you've burned 5000 calories in a day (as I did recently) you're going to be hungrier than usual.
Now a to why Chinese kids are getting fat, you need evidence to answer a question like that, but if I were to conjecture I'd look at the availability of cheap, tasty, convenience foods engineered to disappear into your bo
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Having lost just shy of over a hundred pounds over the past three years,
Awesome! How did you do it?
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I did it by being a more virtuous person than everyone else who tried and failed. I'd tell you all about how great I am, but that would take a long time.
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Mainly the increase in processed foods. Meat and dairy without the massive increase in liver-processed sugars and extremely calorie dense snacks wouldn't cause nearly as much obesity.
The real key here is the decrease in activity. Farmers typically eat diets rich in meats and dairy ( processed or not) , and yet stay thin. Because they burn those calories and convert the protein into muscle.
Farmers don't typically eat diets rich in sugars, which is what has really happened.
Processed foods may be a contributing cause,but the basic cause of obesity remains the same: eat more calories than you burn, and you'll gain weight. . .
Not this ignorant shit again. What you said isn't even fucking true. For one, you don't necessarily fully metabolize all the food you eat. For another, calorie estimates were derived from setting food on fire, which does not give an accurate portrayal of the calorie content derived from actually digesting it.
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Thermodynamics is "ignorant shit"?? Eating food in excess of needs does NOT cause weight gain ???
Re: Rice (Score:4, Informative)
Thermodynamics is "ignorant shit"??
This is not simple thermodynamics, and if you think it is, you're a goddamned idiot. It's a wonder you can even find Slashdot. Who created the bookmark on your desktop for you?
Eating food in excess of needs does NOT cause weight gain ???
Moving the goalposts, the sure sign of a stupid fuckhead. The claim was "eat more calories than you burn, and you'll gain weight" and that is a bunch of ignorant cockery. For one thing, how well you chew your food dramatically affects digestion, and you can only metabolize what you can digest.
The fact is that the food intake of the average Chinese has gone more towards rapidly digestible carbohydrates, just as it has done for the whole world. These are basically the worst thing in the world when it comes to weight gain. Not all "calories" are created equal, and suggesting that they are outright proves that you have no idea what you are on about.
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This link [lifehacker.com] does a pretty good job of explaining why calories are not all that useful when trying to lose weight. They are a piece of the puzzle, sure, but simply counting them isn't all that effective.
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The fact is that the food intake of the average Chinese has gone more towards rapidly digestible carbohydrates, just as it has done for the whole world.
Isn't it odd that other countries are trying to adopt western diets when western dieticians are saying that the nutrition in those countries are better than ours. Lots of people want western standards of living but ignore westerners when they say erh, we were wrong on that one.
These are basically the worst thing in the world when it comes to weight gain.
Let's call em for what they are, a molecule or two off being sugar. On processed foods though, I've found that eliminating as much processed food as possible from your diet helps make vegatebles and fruit much more appealing (I wish
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I like to return (somewhat repetitively, I admit) to the Gary Taubes article that really summed it up best in recent history [nytimes.com]. (meta [wikipedia.org]) Yes, what you eat matters. No, calorie counts aren't the whole story. The story is complicated, and different for everyone. Some people don't get fat even if they pound Twinkies(tm). Some people get fat and stay fat in spite of going to all types of extremes — or even just eating healthy and getting exercise. (Thankfully, I seem to respond fairly well to that combination
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Thermodynamics is "ignorant shit"??
Thermodynamics isn't, but the simplistic method of determining caloric content is ignorant shit.
Otherwise, we could all exist on a nice diet of canola oil. 2000 calories a day, and we're set.
Eating food in excess of needs does NOT cause weight gain ???
That's a different argument. And no where near as simple as mere caloric intake. Proteins and carbohydrates affect the body in different ways, and in different individuals.
Long ago, I discovered that I need to limit my carbohydrate intake, when I tried out a vegetarian diet. Completely wrecked my metabolism. Felt l
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The problem with vegetarian diets are that many people still eat the wrong stuff, e.g. to much raw vegetables. Depends on the person though, for some it is no problem, for others it is.
Also if one is a novice and has the wrong books/receipts it is easy to have an imbalance of nutrition, e.g. lack of essential proteins.
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The problem with vegetarian diets are that many people still eat the wrong stuff, e.g. to much raw vegetables. Depends on the person though, for some it is no problem, for others it is.
Also if one is a novice and has the wrong books/receipts it is easy to have an imbalance of nutrition, e.g. lack of essential proteins.
And there is where the problem lies with un-natural diets, at least for omnivorous animals such as ourselves. It's so very difficult to get enough nutrition if we cut out a major naturall source of what we need.
Here's a weird example I found a month or so ago. Goldfinches, are a vegan bird. The pretty much live on seeds, and during the summer, eat things like lettuces. Hence the nickname "salad birds".
There is also a bird called a Cowbird, that lay's it's eggs in other bird's nests, and it's chicks h
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so instead of growing large enough to push the Goldfinch chicks out of the nest, it ends up expiring due to lack of nutrition. ... perhaps it makes a little sense. The problem of humans is: there are so called "essential amino acids". This are proteins/amino acids the body can not produce by itself, but are needed for growth etc.
That does not really make sense.
The question is not if you are an omnivore, herbivore or eat meat. The question is: does the food contain the essential stuff.
Hm
Humans can live perfe
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so instead of growing large enough to push the Goldfinch chicks out of the nest, it ends up expiring due to lack of nutrition. That does not really make sense. The question is not if you are an omnivore, herbivore or eat meat. The question is: does the food contain the essential stuff. Hm ... perhaps it makes a little sense.
https://www.allaboutbirds.org/... [allaboutbirds.org]
Humans can live perfectly fine as vegetarians, however they have to make sure to get those essential amino acids. In your story, I wonder why the seeds lack the amino acids the other bird needs. That is unusual. It would imply that the Cowbirds also can not produce all the amino acids they need and that as a rare exceptions seeds don't provide them either.
Quite possibly - I haven't investigated too far. It might be something a little bit like Humans not producing their
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Otherwise, we could all exist on a nice diet of canola oil. 2000 calories a day, and we're set.
Hmm, no. I used simple calorie restriction to drop 70 lbs (I'm not saying that it will work for everybody, mind you) but even I know better than to assume that all of your macronutrient needs can be found from just one thing.
But at the same time, there is no escaping the fact that, indeed, eating less by using calories as a yard stick does work most of the time, even if the content of your food is mostly macronutrient with little micronutrient. Is that healthy long term? Probably not, but just in the contex
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Otherwise, we could all exist on a nice diet of canola oil. 2000 calories a day, and we're set.
Hmm, no. I used simple calorie restriction to drop 70 lbs (I'm not saying that it will work for everybody, mind you) but even I know better than to assume that all of your macronutrient needs can be found from just one thing.
Of course not. I was using that obviously ridiculous oil example against the calories in versus calories burnt = weight loss or gain. I suspect using the toilet would be quit ethe experience on an oil diet.
And yes, you can do a control of weight by restricting your caloric intake. But it really isn't as simple as some people portray. I can eat a lot more calories of meat than of potatoes and maintain my weight. Even a high carb breakfast is an issue for me. If I eat cereal, I'm ravenous by 10:00 AM. Eggs
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Thermodynamics
You mean those laws about compressing idealized gases, pressure, heat and such? The laws that are relevant for steam engines and internal combustion engines etc.?
Eating food in excess of needs does NOT cause weight gain ???
Depends actually on the food. If you eat meat combined with carbs, the body will mainly burn the carbs and only (if at all) convert a very low amount of proteins into muscles. All the excess proteins get segregated. While the body could convert proteins into fat, or burn
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Well, I think you missed the poster's point about the difference between burning food in a calorimeter and converting it into energy the body can use.
It's true that according to the First Law of Thermodynamics, energy is conserved. But by the Second Law, some of that energy becomes unavailable for work. There is a process called gluconeogenesis in which glucose is created from fats and proteins. Blood glucose is closely regulated by your body; if there's too much it secretes insulin, which causes glucose
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Not this ignorant shit again. What you said isn't even fucking true.
It doesn't matter. Nobody of the food religion will ever be satisfied until agricultural technology goes back in time 50 years. Thus, when anything goes wrong with somebody, they say "Why, it's the processed food damnit! Even though I don't know what the fuck processed actually means, but the internet says it offends Gaia."
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Gluttony and sloth leave a mark people can see.
And so does self righteous and ignorant condemnation.
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If they're not nutritionists conducting peer-reviewed research, you're a fool to listen to people in either group.
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Mainly the increase in processed foods
Is that the same reason they're getting taller?
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We westerns had been eating processed foods for centuries as well. Pickling, Smoking, Dehydrating, Salting, Fermenting.... However for westerners as well obesity is also still a rather modern problem.
The issue I expect is beyond food. But lack of exercise. Kids use to run around town and play, then stranger danger happened and parents tried keeping their kids closely monitored. So they couldn't run around as much, turn to TV, and Video Games to keep themselves entertained. Then this form of entertainment
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People are people; there is nothing significantly different in human nature between Chinese and Americans. Given the opportunity, Chinese teenagers will sit on the couch, play video games, and consume junk food at the same rates as American teens. So given similar availability to a steady food supply, and enough wealth allowing their parents to provide leisure time to offspring, we shouldn't be surprised to see roughly the same rates of childhood obesity.
I see this as a way of indirectly measuring food sec
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We westerns had been eating processed foods for centuries as well. Pickling, Smoking, Dehydrating, Salting, Fermenting.... However for westerners as well obesity is also still a rather modern problem.
The issue I expect is beyond food. But lack of exercise.
Lack of exercise is one culprit. There are others as well. The push to cut out proteins and fats is one, and of course sugar intake.
Even then, there is a darker element. We are undertaking a sort of econo-social experiment by making huge increases in the amounts of phytoestrogens in our diets. As well, we have been dosing ourselves with Bisphenol A and pthalates. There is even a group word for these chemicals - obesogens.
And in the world of bizzare studies, feral rats living in close proximity to hum
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They've eaten a lot of rice for centuries. It's not the rice. It's the increase in meat, dairy and processed foods - they want to eat like Westerners.
The Dutch have been eating meat and dairy for centuries, and they didn't turn out obese - they turned out to be the tallest people in the world. Sudden increases in processed food intake and (equally sudden) changes in physical activity are the culprit.
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"Wild rice" isn't actually rice, dumbass. It is a completely different plant.
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...most humans have no trouble eating it thanks to their innate ability to chew their food. Sucks to be you, gummy.
My species has been using stone tools for millions of years, you insensitive clod!
Sucks for you to be from a species that can't even pound some cooked grains. I've seen a chimp who could make instant coffee, after all.
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I will give you that the way they attempt to decide the optimum weight is flawed as the guy everyone thinks is really skinny but somehow the scale says I weigh just at the upper edge of healthy or a couple lbs over. When I was in my teens I worked a lot of physical jobs in a metals shop, a marina, some farm jobs I've lost weight since then and gained a couple inches on my waist but it would still be difficult to loose very much weight without loosing muscle.
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Hmm....
"Yo mamma's so fat, when she's on the can pressing she looks like she's Chinese!"
Would that do?
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Yo mommas so skinny, she had to tie some knots in her legs to make knees!
Yo mommas so ugly, she had to sneak up on her glass to get a drink of water!
Yo mammas so stupid, she thinks Chinese kids don't any food to eat!
In fairness to the mousy cowherd, there's all kinds of stupid in this thread.