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Sarah Palin Says 'Bill Nye Is As Much A Scientist As I Am' (cnn.com) 634

ClickOnThis quotes a report from CNN: Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin mocked Bill Nye on Thursday, using the premier of a film that criticizes climate change scientists to call into question Nye's credentials. "Bill Nye is as much a scientist as I am," the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee said, according to The Hill. "He's a kids' show actor, he's not a scientist." Palin, who was speaking at the Washington premiere of the anti-climate change film "Climate Hustle," targeted Nye during a rant against the "alarmism" of climate change activists. Palin urged parents to teach their children to "ask those questions and not just believe what Bill Nye the Science Guy is trying to tell them" about climate change. Just because Bill Nye may be best known for his role in the popular educational TV series "Bill Nye the Science Guy," doesn't mean he isn't a scientist. In fact, he graduated from Cornell University's School of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering. From Wikipedia: In the early 2000s, Nye assisted in the development of a small sundial that was included in the Mars Exploration Rover missions. He holds several U.S. patents, including one for ballet pointe shoes and another for an educational magnifying glass created by filling a clear plastic bag with water.
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Sarah Palin Says 'Bill Nye Is As Much A Scientist As I Am'

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  • by turkeydance ( 1266624 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:13PM (#51918753)
    we're all equal, right?
    • by pollarda ( 632730 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:23PM (#51918819)
      A scientist is someone who seeks to find the truth via the scientific process. Bill Nye is not this. He is an actor. He has the potential to be a scientist as we all do and he has some degrees that could allow him to have a leg up in being a scientist compared to some others. Even so, he has chosen to be an actor and an activist. At this stage, he is at most a science enthusiast. Once he starts a serious research project about something we don't already know the answer to and develops his various hypotheses and then proceeds to develop and run a methodology to test them, then I'll call him a scientist.
      • by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:32PM (#51918883)

        A scientist is someone who seeks to find the truth via the scientific process. Bill Nye is not this. He is an actor.

        He's a popularizer. Just like Carl Sagan, Popularizers are despised by many in science, because they are considered "actors" and they are equally despised by people like Sarah Palin, Who are in fact, either idiots, or trying to look like one. If you've heard her speeches lately, she is virtually incoherent.

        And in fact, is there a shit to be given when a person is right? As I recall, Bill is calle "The science guy"

        Unless of course, you ascribe to Sarah Palin's brand of science. Whic isn't science at all, but denial of science.

        • by whoever57 ( 658626 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:56PM (#51919025) Journal

          Just like Carl Sagan

          Just like Carl Sagan, except for the 600 scientific papers and articles and his contributions to scientific research.

          • by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @07:35PM (#51919197)
            But he was a popularizer, just like Sagan was.

            One of the most amusing aspects of denialism is that since they have no concept of the science, they go oafter what the can attack. Personality. That's why we were treated to years of "Michael Mann is an asshole", which was somehow supposed to invalidate his work. Mann is not an asshole, and the denialists largely stopped pursuing him after he proved to be adroit at their tools.

            Now Nye, he isn't a person on the same caliber as Sagan. But the attacks are similar.

            Carl Sagan, Socialist Jerk http://www.stephankinsella.com... [stephankinsella.com]

            https://eternian.wordpress.com... [wordpress.com]

            I coud find more of people playing the personality card on people of science. Nye is getting the same treatment as other popularizers like Sagan and N.D. Tyson.

            And that's good enough proof that he's on to something, when Deniers single him out for their anti science derision.

            • by Gadget_Guy ( 627405 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @08:49PM (#51919481)

              But he was a popularizer, just like Sagan was.

              So you think that Carl Sagan was despised by many in science? I don't think so. I can't discount that are aren't some scientists in the world who don't like the man, but I doubt that it is true that many in science would think that. The fact that you found a couple of links of Sagan-haters from an "Austro-Anarchist Libertarian" patent lawyer and a whacky Christian disabled person is pretty meaningless.

              There are people who find themselves in the unenviable position where science is inconvenient to their beliefs for either political, religious or financial reasons. Those people can't argue on an equal basis since scientists have facts, measurements, mathematics etc while they have just their gut feeling that all the scientists must be wrong. So they go after the scientists themselves, as well as anyone who communicates science to the masses (like Bill Nye). If the person wanting to belittle the science has heard of the person then they can attack them directly, but otherwise they will spread FUD about scientists all being in it for the money or all participating in a giant conspiracy to raise taxes.

              So it isn't that people are targeting popularizers; they will go after everyone they can and cherry-pick any weakness that they think they have found. In this case, Sarah Palin has tried to belittle anything that Bill Nye says on this subject by pointing out that he is not a scientist. But if all he does is report what the climate scientists say, then it doesn't matter what his qualifications are. Sarah Palin is NOT as much of a scientist as all the scientists that Bill Nye talks about.

            • One of the most amusing aspects of denialism is that since they have no concept of the science, they go oafter what the can attack. Personality.

              Don't forget, "Al Gore is fat!"

            • by jon3k ( 691256 ) on Saturday April 16, 2016 @11:04AM (#51921951)
              Nye is an engineer. He has a BS in mechanical engineering from Cornell. He worked at Boeing as an engineer (including and developing a hydraulic pressure resonance suppressor for the 747). Just because he's on TV he doesn't stop being an engineer. He still has an engineering degree and has spent decades studying and practicing in the field of engineering.
              • Nye is an engineer. He has a BS in mechanical engineering from Cornell. He worked at Boeing as an engineer (including and developing a hydraulic pressure resonance suppressor for the 747). Just because he's on TV he doesn't stop being an engineer. He still has an engineering degree and has spent decades studying and practicing in the field of engineering.

                And he's plenty smart, and has a sense of humor, if a little scathing at times. My type of person. He's much fun when he shows up on Bill Maher, and can keep up with him.

      • by rahvin112 ( 446269 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:35PM (#51918909)

        You don't need a degree, research budget and to be published to be a scientist.

        Science is a methodology for studying the natural world that is the best method we have for separating out human weaknesses in the process, anyone can do it. But to do science and practice it you need to follow the methods. Sarah Palin hasn't followed those methods at any time in her entire life, Bill Nye has.

        • Bill would agree. (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 15, 2016 @07:41PM (#51919231)

          From the summary: Palin urged parents to teach their children to "ask those questions and not just believe what Bill Nye the Science Guy is trying to tell them"

          Bill Nye would enthusiastically agree that kids (and adults) should "ask those questions and not just believe what (ANYONE, including) Bill Nye the Science Guy is trying to tell them."

      • by buchner.johannes ( 1139593 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:37PM (#51918923) Homepage Journal

        He is a science communicator. He goes to scientific research and presents it to the public in an understandable way. When he has questions, he asks scientists.
        Sarah Palin does not consult scientists. That's why Bill Nye is considered an authority when he speaks. Not because he contributed, but because what he says is based on scientific research.

      • if we CHOOSE to be: The Oxford English Dictionary defines "Scientist" as:"One who is studying or has expert knowledge of one or more of the natural or physical sciences." Bill Nye is certainly as qualified as a student of Climate Science as anyone else; even a serial rapist can qualify to be identified as a scientist if they diligently study one or more of the sciences; a disreputable scientist, to be sure, but a student of science nonetheless.

        It is those who reject "climate change" out of hand--with no s

        • Now it's controversial to be skeptical about what the weatherman says.

          I've lived too long.

          • by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Saturday April 16, 2016 @06:20AM (#51920705) Journal

            Now it's controversial to be skeptical about what the weatherman says.

            Depends really. If the weatherman says it's raining out, every other weatherman says it's raining out and you look out and it's actually raining, then if you remain skeptical of what the weatherman says, then it's not so much controversial as a bit nuts.

            Also, climate isn't weather and if you believe it's so unpredictable, I'll bet you $50 that it won't snow in London in the whole of August this year. To sweeten it a bit how about you get $100 if you win but I only get $50 if I win.

      • by T.E.D. ( 34228 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:49PM (#51918989)

        He doesn't claim to be a scientist. He calls himself a "Science Guy". This is a complete straman that Ms. Palin made to beat up on rather than address the actual science that many people, (yes, including that "Science Guy") are trying to bring up. But Mr. Nye could turn out to be 10 kittens in a man-suit, and it wouldn't change anything.

        This kind of attack on a person rather than the idea is the kind of thing you do when your actual argument is crap and you know it.

      • A scientist is someone who seeks to find the truth via the scientific process. Bill Nye is not this.

        In particular, he is not a climate scientist. This is not just a matter of his credentials, but if you listen to him in debates he gets the start and end points right but gets fuzzy about the steps in between. He listens to scientists though, unlike Sarah, which makes him a decent popularizer.

        • by Antique Geekmeister ( 740220 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @07:43PM (#51919249)

          He's actually quite good. He presents as much data as he has, and as his current audience can handle, in clear language and good logic. It's difficult to get every scientific detail explained in full in a public forum of any sort, but he does and has done clear scientific analysis for decades now, and he does his research to be prepared for the presentations.

          He's done public debates with science denying fools before: there was an infamous debate with a creationist leader, at:

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      • by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @07:21PM (#51919127)

        A scientist is someone who seeks to find the truth via the scientific process. Bill Nye is not this. He is an actor.

        Actually he is an engineer and arguably a scientist [wikipedia.org] too. He also happens to be an actor, scientific advocate, writer, and several other things besides. Unlike Sara Palin he actually has a talent beside self promotion. If you want to call him a citizen scientist, fine, but he's much more involved in science than 99.9% of the population. Particularly one former governor of Alaska.

      • Even so, he has chosen to be an actor and an activist. At this stage, he is at most a science enthusiast.

        Which, to be fair, isn't a bad thing.

      • The thing is, whether he's a scientist or not, doesn't even matter. It's (at least as far as I can tell from the article) just a straw man she's created to answer a question no one's asked.

        It would be like if someone makes a claim, say that smoking causes lung cancer. The person making the claim, we'll call him Dr. Smith, is an MD, but not an oncologist. If I say "Dr. Smith isn't an oncologist, he's no more an oncologist than I am, so you shouldn't believe him" then well, I'd be a goddamn idiot. Dr. Smith i

    • TFS: "ask those questions and not just believe what Bill Nye the Science Guy is trying to tell them" about climate change."

      I'm sure Bill Nye would completely agree with you there Sarah, he would also follow that with encouraging the asker to go and research their answer. This is the difference between the two of them.
  • by JustAnotherOldGuy ( 4145623 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:13PM (#51918759) Journal

    If Sarah Palin had any less brain activity we could legally harvest her organs.

    • by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:25PM (#51918835) Journal

      But she's representative of a large group of people who, when confronted with science they don't like, just discard the science, declare the researchers in question frauds, and then assume somehow the universe will be okay, because, you know, apparently the universe owes specific ideologies a big favor, and would never dream of having physical laws that would create some sort of problem for that ideology. In Palin's case, she's a pretty hard right Christian, so I'm fairly certain she believes God would never make oil harmful, because, well, God loves oil and wants us to burn as much of it as we can possibly can.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:14PM (#51918761)

    "...he graduated from Cornell University's School of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering."

    Wouldn't that would make him an engineer and not a scientist? Of course, he's still significantly more intelligent than Palin or any of her kinfolk, he's just not a scientist.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      If he uses the scientific method, then he's a scientist. Whether Sarah Palin is a scientist, or not, is left as an exercise for the reader.
    • by ClickOnThis ( 137803 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:23PM (#51918821) Journal

      "...he graduated from Cornell University's School of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering."

      Wouldn't that would make him an engineer and not a scientist? Of course, he's still significantly more intelligent than Palin or any of her kinfolk, he's just not a scientist.

      Frequently, engineers do science and scientists do engineering.

      The difference between engineering and science is often one of intent rather than activity. Very broadly speaking, engineering is about making things that work, whereas science is about trying to understand how and why they work.

    • "...he graduated from Cornell University's School of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering."

      Wouldn't that would make him an engineer and not a scientist? Of course, he's still significantly more intelligent than Palin or any of her kinfolk, he's just not a scientist.

      I wouldn't call someone with a physics PhD who writes generic software a scientist, would I call someone with an engineering degree who did original engineering work in aerospace and later specialized in science education a scientist? I'm not sure, I guess it's it's a bit of a philosophical distinction.

      Either way he's clearly far more of a scientist than most people, Palin especially.

    • by rahvin112 ( 446269 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:37PM (#51918925)

      Engineering is Applied Science. Science is a method of studying the natural world, engineering uses scientific principles and methods in applications in the real world, rather than theoretical one.

      Engineers are scientists. You'd have to be a moron to believe they aren't.

      • So when the civil engineer verifies that the bridge that has been designed won't fall down under the specified loads you are saying that they are being a scientist?

        • by rahvin112 ( 446269 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @07:39PM (#51919221)

          Yes I do. The engineer uses scientifically derived knowledge of loading, strengths of materials in multiple dimensions, scientifically derived equations on the interplay of these forces and strengths and uses that knowledge and applies it in designing the structural details. Using the theoretical average strength of concrete they will develop a size of structure and then direct that the concrete in it meet the strength's they've designed for and develop construction plans and specifications to meet those goals. In other words they take all their scientific knowledge and develop a method and plan to apply that science in the real world. Engineering is Applied science.

          If you aren't using science in the design of a structure you're doing what humanity did before engineers. That is simply find someone that built a building before that didn't fall down and try to replicate it without any understanding of why it didn't fall down and the other way did. There are a lot of structures in this world that are still built like that. By using science you can build bigger, taller and better using less materials and in a safer manner both for the builder and the eventual occupants.

          Engineer's do things like design buildings, that even if the building is severely damaged by some event (say a earthquake hitting it) that the building doesn't fall down while people are still inside it. They couldn't do that without science.

    • Many engineers do science, just like many scientists do engineering. Real life is messy like that and not segmented like college, even though some degrees like EE and physics share a majority of subjects, if not classes. When I got my EE degree I was able to apply the classes I'd taken through the physics department towards the enginering degree. Like E&M and waveguides. As far as I could tell, the covered the same material, but physics was more concerned with derivations while engineering was closer to
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Whenever Slashdot posts a negative story about Republicans they make sure to mark it as a Republican topic but when its a negative story about Democrats it gets marked as a government topic.

    Likewise positive Democrat stories are marked Democrat but positive Republican ones are marked government...

  • Huh? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Bill Nye is an entertainer... I don't seem to remember reading too many of his scientific publications. But then again, Sarah Palin is also an entertainer. She sure as hell isn't a public servant.
  • by Blue Stone ( 582566 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:16PM (#51918783) Homepage Journal

    I don't think anyone's not a scientist as much as Sarah Palin's not one.

  • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:21PM (#51918809)

    Bill Nye is as much a scientist as I am, ...

    She kind of correct, but not complete. Bill is as much a scientist as she is, but she isn't (nearly) as much a scientist as Bill is.

  • by guises ( 2423402 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:23PM (#51918823)
    The full quote: "Bill Nye is as much a scientist as I am, and I know all about the weather and stuff. You know how much weather we get in Alaska? Tons. Most every day there's some kinda weather, the wind's blowin' or the rain's rainin'... Shoot, I can see all of that from my house sometimes. I'm an expert."
    • by T.E.D. ( 34228 )
      The sad thing is, this quote was plausible enough for her that I felt compelled to go check, just to be sure.
  • We shall settle this... IN THE SCIENCE DOME!

    Filter error: eblome

  • by walterbyrd ( 182728 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:28PM (#51918857)

    Not sure how Palin plans to dismiss the legions of real scientists who have all concluded that climate change is real, and man made.

    Of course Bill Nye never did any primary research on climate change, but he knows enough to recognize real science.

  • by RightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:28PM (#51918859)
    with a complete understanding of all the top climate models and their error statistics, and that not one of them is a blind zealot. Go ahead. I'm waiting.
    • Exactly! Billy Nye is "Power Walker" and "High Fiving White Guy," who then moved on to do a kid's science show. I liked Mr. Wizard, but would have thought it was really weird if Mr. Wizard addressed Congress.

  • by Dr. Spork ( 142693 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:49PM (#51918985)
    Congratulations, you've caught Sarah Palin saying something false and dumb. With that kinds of investigative gumption, you may also get the scoop on developing stories like "Local Bear Shits in Woods". Keep the "news" coming!
  • Hmm (Score:5, Funny)

    by fluffernutter ( 1411889 ) on Friday April 15, 2016 @06:54PM (#51919017)
    So, say theoretically I could pick the science teacher for my kids' school. The science teacher can be:

    A) Bill Nye Science Guy, or
    B) Sarah Palin.

    Hmmm.. which to pick, which to pick....
  • This is a perfect example of the extremists view that their firmly held and fervently believed ignorance is just as valid as scientific facts and reality.

    Can we just stop listening to then yet? Yes they ARE entitled to their beliefs, what they are NOT entitled to do is force their ignorance into governance, science, or the health and welfare of the nations people.

  • The news-bit about Mr. Nye's call to prosecute "deniers" was submitted to Slashdot yesterday [slashdot.org], but did not make it. He was quoted as:

    “In these cases, for me, as a taxpayer and voter, the introduction of this extreme doubt about climate change is affecting my quality of life as a public citizen,” Mr. Nye said. “So I can see where people are very concerned about this and they’re pursuing criminal investigations as well as engaging in discussions like this.”

    When the opponents of the supposedly scientific theory you like are not merely wrong or even stupid, but are criminals, you immediately stop being a scientist even if you ever were one (and Mr. Nye was an engineer before becoming an entertainer). You become a totalitarian asshole [wikipedia.org]...

    If Governor Palin is wrong, it is was when she compares herself to him.

    • There is a point where "science ignorning" becomes "criminal negligence". Especially when you continue to pollute the planet for personal profit.

    • The news-bit about Mr. Nye's call to prosecute "deniers" was submitted to Slashdot yesterday

      Neat how the RWNJ's are ignoring the part where that's talking about prosecuting companies that spent hundreds of millions on denying climate change to protect their company profits, Same as the cigarette and asbestos industries spent decades denying that their products were inherently harmful.

      When the opponents of the supposedly scientific theory you like are not merely wrong or even stupid, but are criminals, you

  • by mark_reh ( 2015546 ) on Saturday April 16, 2016 @12:05AM (#51920017) Journal

    I really do.

  • by NoMaster ( 142776 ) on Saturday April 16, 2016 @04:08AM (#51920529) Homepage Journal

    ... and done well. She's got you all nicely polarised and arguing about an irrelevance in black and white terms.

    Now you're all wound up and ready to go forth and argue with your family, friends, and workmates in similarly polarised terms.

    The purpose is to shift the window away from rational & considerate discussion to polarised arguing. She's won.

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