Alien 'Wow!' Signal Could Be Explained After Almost 40 Years (theguardian.com) 96
An anonymous reader cites a report on The Guardian: A former analyst with the US Department of Defence is on the trail of a 'cold case' -- an unexplained signal that some believe could have come from extraterrestrials. Way back in 1977 something amazing happened. Astronomer Jerry Ehman was using the Ohio State University's Big Ear radio telescope to sweep the sky for possible signals from extraterrestrial civilisations. He found something. While pointing towards a grouping of stars called Chi Sagittarii on 15 August, he received a powerful blast of radio waves that lasted for 72 seconds. He circled it on the readout and wrote: "Wow!" Analysis of the signal showed that it displayed all the hallmarks of coming from interstellar space, and it became something of a cause celebre for those involved in SETI, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. The trouble is that despite numerous attempts, the signal has never been observed again and so remains unexplained. Until now perhaps, thanks to the work of Professor Antonio Paris of St Petersburg College, Florida. Known as 266P/Christensen and 335P/Gibbs, they have never been investigated before because they were only discovered in 2006 and 2008 respectively. Paris found that they were both in the vicinity of Chi Sagittarii on the day that the 'Wow!' signal was detected. This could be significant because comets are surrounded by clouds of hydrogen gas that are millions of kilometres in diameter. Comet 266P/Christensen will pass the Chi Sagittarii star group again on 25 January 2017, while 335P/Gibbs will make its passage on 7 January 2018. Paris plans to observe these events to look for a recurrence of the mystery signal.In some other news, cosmologist and theoretical physicist, Stephen Hawking says he doesn't expect the humanity to find intelligent alien life for at least another 20 years.
what's the explaination? (Score:1)
or we just posting things that could happen? like... slashdot could actually have a good article, the sky could fall, aliens could exist etc...
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The answer is actually in the article, so you'll have to go read it to find out. LOL.
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Re:what's the explaination? (Score:5, Informative)
"He didn’t find aliens but he did find two suspicious looking comets.
Known as 266P/Christensen and 335P/Gibbs, they have never been investigated before because they were only discovered in 2006 and 2008 respectively. Paris found that they were both in the vicinity of Chi Sagittarii on the day that the ‘Wow!’ signal was detected.
This could be significant because comets are surrounded by clouds of hydrogen gas that are millions of kilometres in diameter. The ‘Wow!’ signal itself was detected by Ehman at 1420MHz, which is a radio frequency that hydrogen naturally emits. He published his idea at the beginning of this year."
Still TL;DR: It's probably a comet
Even still TL;DR comet
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I believe I've seen more than one documentary that affirmatively stated that the cause was known. I don't remember they said it was a pulsar or a binary system or what. I seem to recall them stating, affirmatively, that it was due to something spinning. Assuming this is the famous WOW signal where they wrote WOW on the printed paper. There's a host of documentaries on the subject or that cover it.
I'm damned near certain that I've been told that they *knew* what the reason was. I took them at face value, it
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tl;dr: NP!
It's probably a comet (Score:5, Informative)
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And they want money to test their hypothesis, https://www.gofundme.com/wow-experiment [gofundme.com]
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TLDR; They think it was two comets in that region of the sky with lots of hydrogen gas around them, The hz range matches what you would expect from hydrogen gas. The 2 comets were undiscovered until now.
Sounds like a swamp gas explanation but probably the most probable seeing as we have never found a signal like the "wow!" signal.
Re:what's the explaination? (Score:5, Informative)
It's not the done thing to read the articles I know.
Essentially, it's been suggested that the event was caused by two comets that were undiscovered at the time. Their next passes are due soon and proposer of the hypothesis is requesting funds to buy radio telescope time during the passes. If he gets the funding and finds nothing then we won't have any explanation and can still say it might be aliens.
Re:what's the explaination? (Score:4, Informative)
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Batteries not Included.
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Why would the Catholic Church be interested in that? The Church has openly stated that the concept of alien life is not inconsistent with Catholic theology [cbsnews.com].
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BTW, I wrote the above--stupidly, I wasn't logged in.
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No radio telescope time available at all? Even at the old ones run by amateurs these days (e.g. Bochum and Dwingeloo)?
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I can loan him a couple of satellite dishes. That worked in The Arrival.
Re:what's the explaination? (Score:4, Informative)
No he can't get any telescope time, so he's buying his own. You can't get time for anything even tangentially related to extraterrestrials, it's easier to get a grant to disprove global warming. What he is attempting to do is buy his own radio telescope, then allow other astronomers to use it after he is done with his investigation.
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Speaking as a professional radio astronomer, who applies for time on major telescopes a few times a year - yeah, you can get time for SETI. A guy in my office did a few months ago. You just need some hook, some reason why your particular project represents an improvement on previous efforts: some new signal-processing hardware you've built, a new localisation technique you want to try, some object that's displayed anomalous (potentially ETI) behaviour that you'd like to look at specifically. You can't ju
Space sharks with lasers (Score:2)
It's just a viral media build up for the next Sharkanado.
Comets (Score:5, Informative)
Since the summary failed to state the new hypothesis, here goes:
Professor Antonio Paris believes that the signal was generated by two comets which were discovered in 2006 and 2008. They were both in the vicinity of Chi Sagittarii when the Wow! signal was emitted. Both of these comets are surrounded by a cloud of hydrogen gas, which emits signals at a frequency of 1420MHz (the same as the Wow! signal).
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True, they shouldn't contain every piece of information, however, they should endeavor to contain The Most Important Piece.
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The AC above must be the only one who read the summary and did not think "Well, what is it ?! What is the hypothesis this whole #£$%@ story is about ?!".
I guess he's a Slashdot "editor".
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Yeah because you know an general explanation of the new hypothesis would take up way to much room to be covered in a summary... oh wait...
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When the whole point of an article is explaining some observation and the summary doesn't even mention said explanation, then it is not a summary. More like an introduction.
Re:Comets (Score:4, Insightful)
In marketing, it's known as a "teaser", and on the Intarwebs they are used to generate click-throughs.
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Since when did Slashdot generate revenue from CTR?
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Would The Guardian even have anything like that to pay them?
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Why, because no one but you knows how to read an article? Summaries are called "summaries" for a reason. They don't contain every goddamned piece of information contained in the article.
No, because without at least a suggestion of the new theory, how are we to know if TFA is worth our time?
Re:Comets (Score:5, Funny)
Why, because no one but you knows how to read an article? Summaries are called "summaries" for a reason. They don't contain every goddamned piece of information contained in the article.
So you'd prefer a title/summary of:
40 years ago Jerry Ehman received a message from space that changed his life! Now a professor from Florida wants to show the world how true that message was - and that truth is stranger than fiction! Click here to see what happens next!
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Why, because no one but you knows how to read an article?
Hundreds of anonymous cowards every day in every article ever posted to slashdot for over the last decade bitch and moan how the summary doesn't explain enough or define common everyday terms any technical person should already know.
So in fact no, the vast majority of people on slashdot do not know how to read an article.
Additionally a shockingly large amount of slashdot readers don't even know how to read the summary. No where near "most" like reading articles, but quite a large number none the less.
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Aim the radio telescope at these commits and reproduce the effect.
Yeah, I'm not sure what's stopping them from doing this now. Sure, it would have to be at Chi Sagittarii to replicate the Wow! signal, but if the comets don't produce that signal from where they are right now, seems like the whole experiment would be moot.
Re:Comets (Score:5, Funny)
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But the real truth is: I want a free telescope.
LOL that's what I got from this as well. I also felt like the summary was clickbait without an explanation in it.
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Indeed.
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But the real truth is: I want a free telescope.
I'm sure they'll gladly pay for it. They just want to use someone else's money.
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There are a couple of reasons to be skeptical of this hypothesis.
Let's say it's possible that a comet can produce enough hydrogen gas to produce such a signal, which isn't certain. Comets aren't exactly rare. Why isn't this observed more frequently?
Also, comets generally don't move too much in the sky in a span of a day. The Big Ear telescope scanned a fixed portion of the sky, and that window moved as the Earth rotated. Why wasn't the signal observed again 24 hours later?
It's an interesting hypothesis that
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Anyhow, the guy is looking for some additional funding so he can go build his own radiotelescope and test his hypothesis
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I'm new to this thread. Did they update the summary or what? It seems pretty clear to me at this point in time.
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That isn't a blank you can expect a typical reader to just know off the top of their head as a given even on a site that is News for Nerds.
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If they didn't update the summary at some point, there's a lot of people sarcastically quoting lines out of the summary going on.
Now it explains everything except how comets can generate a radio signal.
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and the signal from the star was presumably modulated (or whatever the correct technical jargon is) by the comet's atmosphere, producing a signal you would not see when looking at either a comet or a star alone.
That would have to be a hydrogen laser [yahoo.com], which is unlikely, but a Hydrogen fluoride laser [wikipedia.org] seems possible.
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There is no theoretical objection to the prospect of finding extraterrestrial life, even if it is a needle-in-haystack sort of hunt. In contrast, the Jesus proposition requires an assumption that supernatural beings exist.
And? (Score:2)
Alien 'Wow!' Signal Could Be Explained After Almost 40 Years
And? You've explained what the signal was, but could you not even give a hint as to the possible explanation?
Okay, so I read up, and it's something to do with some comets. I don't get why the guy has to wait for them to be in the same patch of sky before testing his theory, though.
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They are special comets.
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I would think that their distance from the sun and/or each other might be more important than whether they are in that patch of sky again.
An Interesting Hypothesis... (Score:1)
It's an interesting explanation, but the problem with the signal being of extraterrestrial (as in alien) still applies with it being a result of natural phenomenon: There was no repeat. The SETI procedure is take the dish off the signal and try to require. If these comets were moving through the vicinity it would have been possible to reacquire the signal, or at least find some trace of it in that area of the sky.
I'm not saying that the hypothesis shouldn't be tested, but even if these comets are the sourc
Please fix summary (Score:2)
What is missing here? Please fix the summary.
I am still waiting (Score:2)
Stephen Hawking is wrong; stick 2 science plz (Score:2)
Stephen Hawking should stick to hard science because he doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about. Namely:
* "He doesn't know what other people DO know."
Gee, if only we had credible [youtube.com], witnesses [youtube.com],
The problem with (official) "First Contact" is that will cause MORE problems then it will solve. :-/ Everything from Mathematics, Money, Religion, Science will need to be re-evaluated. Most people are not ready to have their false belief system blown apart.
Proof will be given in ~2024 when we can end these stupid
Jerry Ehman (Score:5, Interesting)
When I was about 7 years old Jerry Ehman rode down to Kentucky with us in the family station wagon from Powell, Ohio to Kentucky to go spelunking. We lived a few houses down the street from the assistant director of the Big Ear radio observatory who organized the trip and who invited along coworkers and friends. All the radio observatory guys on the trip were full-time radio geeks, including Jerry, who brought his own CB radio on the trip and installed it in our car before we left. This was so we could keep in touch with the other vehicles on the drive down. Jerry had temporarily disconnected our am/fm car radio antenna to wire in his CB. So he is explaining this to me as my father drives down the highway to Kentucky. Being 7, of course I asked "but what if we want to listen to the radio?". Jerry, who was riding in the center of the front bench seat of the station wagon, replies that he can switch back and forth between them. Then he immediately inverts himself in the car seat with his feet up in the air and his head pushed up under the dashboard holding a handful of tools. A few minutes later the car radio is working again.
By the way, the radio observatory at which Jerry recorded the Wow! signal no longer exits. It was a joint project between Ohio State and Ohio Wesleyan universities. It was constructed and managed by the Ohio State University but located on land owned by Ohio Wesleyan University which sold it to developers to build a golf source. There was an international effort to preserve it, Nobel price winners and other notables campaigned for it. Wesleyan believed that a golf course was much more important than SETI. "Ignorant small-town hicks" would not go far enough to describe that school.
See the "Wow" Signal Log Page in Berkeley (Score:2)
Subspace Signal (Score:4, Funny)
It was a subspace signal from a starship.
The signal was at the far end of subspace radio range, and had fallen in energy state until it was readable in the RF spectrum.
The starship was moving, and only in range for a few seconds.
Duh.
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I know it's a joke, but I essentially had the same thought when I heard about Hawkins and that Russian billionaire's plan to make marble sized starships and hurl them at Proxima Centauri. I couldn't help thinking how the Tau Cetians, et al, probably already did that to us. How would we ever detect a marble hurling through the solar system? Especially if it's a one-time event? Better yet, what if we caught just a glimpse of a signal it sent back home???
The point is, if we are at the cusp of such capabilities