Variation in Depiction of Same Emoji on Different Platforms Can Lead To Miscommunication 111
How your device depicts an emoji depends on the operating system it is running. The same "smiley face" emoticon, for instance, appears slightly different when viewed on an iPhone, an Android-powered handset, and a Windows Phone-powered handset. This variation can cause miscommunication between people (PDF), a study by GroupLens Research has found. The research lab in the Department of Computer Science and Engineering at the University of Minnesota said that sometimes this can cause people to misinterpret the emotion and the meaning of emoji-based communication "quite significantly." The conclusion reads: Emoji are used alongside text in digital communication, but their visual nature leaves them open to interpretation. In addition, emoji render differently on different platforms, so people may interpret one platform's rendering differently than they interpret another platform's. Psycholinguistic theory suggests that interpretation must be consistent between two people in order to avoid communication challenges. In this research, we explored whether emoji are consistently interpreted as well as whether interpretation remains consistent across renderings by different platforms. For 5 different platform renderings of 22 emoji Unicode characters, we find disagreement in terms of both sentiment and semantics, and these disagreements only increase when considering renderings across platforms.
Interpretation is a real issue (Score:2)
Think about the shrug; what does it mean to you? Does it mean "I don't know" or is it a dismissive gesture meaning "I don't care" and/or "what you think is irrelevant"?
Think about the tongue sticking out: is it a playful, nose-crunched-into-wrinkles expression, or is it a "nyah, nyah, you suck" expression?
Think about the huge yellow smile. Think about context. Can you assure that the context you feel is in play, is the one the other person thinks is in play?
There's no universal guide to this.
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To fight terrorists who would sow the seeds of dischord!
"I thought my tewworwist fwendth emoji said that kittenz are wuvvley, fwuffy, nawwty and mentil. But my fwendth emoji ackchully said that kittenz are wuvvley, fwuffy, nawwty, gentil, mentil and lully."
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Is there one for "Pointless article about pointless research is pointless squared"?
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Excellent example. I read it first on a FF window on a Macbook Pro, where it looked like an o with umlaut followed by a latin capital Y. But I copied it to the "Characters" viewer, which showed me that the first characters was in fact a "LATIN SMALL LETTER ETH". Even enlarging the FF window by several bumps didn't make it look like an eth. So it in fact displayed as a visibly different character in two apps on the same screen on the same computer.
Edit after viewing the Preview: That eth character is
Re:Solution: don't use emoji (Score:5, Funny)
If you can't express yourself with pure text, you are an idiot anyway.
Agreed. Emojis are the confetti of the internet.
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No, no, no. Head in the opposite direction... What we need is someone to write an entire novel in just emoji. One book, 100,000 or more possible interpreations of what it says. You read this idea here first folks, so 5% for life to me from anyone who actually writes such a novel. :)
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"If you can't express yourself with pure text, you are an idiot anyway."
Or a speaker of Russian, Thai, Arabic, Cambodian, Chinese, Armenian or one of the many other languages that are not written with a Latin-based alphabet.
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They didn't invent the computer, or the things that led to it.
Sucks to be them. Do better next time.
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All those languages have a textual form. "Text" does not mean "Latin Alphabet".
Stop being an idiot in public.
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If you can't express yourself with pure text, you are an idiot anyway."
Or a speaker of Russian, Thai, Arabic, Cambodian, Chinese, Armenian or one of the many other languages that are not written with a Latin-based alphabet.
Or English or Spanish or Esperanto, which are written with a Latin-based alphabet. ;-)
There has been more than a bit of linguistic study of the effectiveness of alphabetic and other writing systems, often dealing with the differences between what can be expressed verbally an in writing. None of our writing systems come very close to matching what can be expressed verbally (though the Unicode phonetic alphabet comes close for many languages).
In one linguistics course I took in college, the prof had a n
Re: This is why calling them emoji is wrong (Score:2)
Emojis (? Emojii ?) and emoticons are two distinct things.
Emoticons are the simpler to use option and emojii cost more to use on some contracts. Some systems will try and substitute an emoji for an emoticon. YPYMATYC
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YPYMATYC
What was that about my mother? Take that back!
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Emoji is a Japanese-origin word (the E is pronounced like "A"). It literally means picture character. Here is the Kanji if you're interested - https://translate.google.com/?... [google.com]
Emoticon is an English word (The E is pronounced like "E") combining Emotion and Icon. It describes how we use punctuation and other regular glyphs to make pictures such as :)
Toldja so, you morons! (Score:4, Interesting)
This is exactly what I said would happen when I wrote to the Unicode Consortium asking them not to adopt emoji into the standard. Their response was that rendering differences in alphabetic/ideographic symbols with well-defined *objective* meanings never posed such a problem, so rendering differences for entirely *subjective* symbols wouldn't, either. /facepalm
Re:Toldja so, you morons! (Score:5, Insightful)
Even good old Plane 0 is riddled with characters that should never have been allowed to exist; but if the Unicode Consortium had taken the principled stance and refused to hand out the codepoints needed to support migration from various legacy encodings, Unicode would probably still be more or less irrelevant in practice. Cleaning up the mess in the Japanese handset market is at least arguably in line with the same approach.
Once that was done, though, leaving open the invitation to turn Unicode in to a clip-art library was an atrocious plan; and bafflingly stupid(especially since the core mission of rendering actual languages is still pretty deeply unfinished once you wander too far from languages that can be handled with the latin alphabet and a few accents and umlauts.)
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For the surprisin
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I like having string encoding that explicitly tells me 'emoji of an old man walking his rhinoceros'. Its so much nicer to work with than having to write a custom parser for each source, like if I needed to parse github's :boat: syntax and worry about all the magic quoting rules. The world isn't going to go back so ASCII smilies. That :boat: has :bon-voyage:.
I'm not sure why people get so worked up about it? If you don't need them, you don't implement them. If you do need them, it makes things better.
Next up
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I was thinking that the real problem is that here we have an example of using multiple emoji implementations as characters within a single document to point out how the implementations can convey different meanings - time to make a new version of unicode that includes both "android emoji" and "iphone emoji" code pages. Need to keep that bidirectional transformation going
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The traditional solution to show different implementations of a single character is font markup.
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The only reason Unicode is adopting emojis is because Unicode is supposed to be that - a universal code. *every* character set in the world is suppo
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I need an emoji to represent rending my shirt and falling to my knees, wracked with pain and guilt!
Spare us the lengthy description. Just give us the hex code.
"I thought it was frozen yogurt." (Score:2)
Do the Japanese have any data? (Score:3)
I thought the emojis were kind of a Japanese thing originally. Do they have any data on mixed perceptions of them? I'm assuming that as early adopters they didn't have a uniform version of the characters/icons and may also have suffered from lower resolution depictions of them.
Re:Do the Japanese have any data? (Score:4, Informative)
The early Japanese ones were proprietary, unique to each mobile operator. If you had an AU phone and your friend had a DoCoMo phone you couldn't trade emoji. In short order they got together and merged their sets.
Back then Unicode was totally inadequate for Japanese text as used by people day-to-day, and didn't have any emoji support anyway. Even now the bulk of Japanese text files and plain text email is Shift-JIS rather than Unicode. When Unicode is used in anything but trivial situations needs hacks to render properly. Westerners who run Japanese software need to use AppLocale because most apps aren't Unicode.
It's a total disaster and needs replacing with something better.
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All of Shift-JIS was supported in Unicode 1.0 in 1991, and on modern systems Shift-JIS support has been implemented by software converting to and from Unicode internally. And modern here means anything post 2000 and quite a lot before that. (So yes, even when you view a text file that's stored on disk in Shift-JIS format, you are using Unicode, or at least the text editor and operating system are.) The first emoji on the other hand were introduced by DoCoMo as late as 1998 through proprietary ad hoc JIS ext
University of Minnesota (Score:2, Interesting)
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According to http://ark42.com/unicode/emoji... [ark42.com] it has steam on Android 4.4's font and the free font some Linux systems might tend to use by default. It also happens to have a face and eyes on Twitter and iOS/OS X. On Windows 7+ and Android 4.1-4.3 there is neither steam nor a face though.
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Here is the problem: you have an entire field of things to study with your time and research dollars and you choose to study EMOJIS?
Yeah and? How humans communicate is interesting. And these days a good bit of communication is done using emojis, no matter how much old farts wish that wasn't the case.
What the F is an emoji anyway?
Failure to use google or understand common terms makes me :(
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A joke? Why does something that doesn't interest you have to be labeled as "a joke"?
What you should rea
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I agree;The fact that emoji are rendered and interpreted inconsistently is actually useful knowledge. At the same time sentences like the following one really do beg for a good mocking:
"Psycholinguistic theory suggests that interpretation must be consistent between two people in order to avoid communication challenges."
FFS, really?
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""Psycholinguistic theory suggests that interpretation must be consistent between two people in order to avoid communication challenges."
FFS, really?"
Yes, really: we only *suggest* it being the case because we need more grant money to be sure -once we finish a very nice experiment about mixing hot and cold water, that is.
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Have you ever been to Minnesota? They don't have hot water.
Well then maybe (Score:5, Insightful)
Well then maybe, JUST MAYBE....people shouldn't use emojis for actual communication where meaning might be important.
I've heard that there are these things called "words", which, when used properly, have the amazing ability to convey information accurately.
I swear, soon we'll be back to grunting and painting pictures of animals by smearing our feces on cave walls.
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I swear, soon we'll be back to grunting and painting pictures of animals by smearing our feces on cave walls.
I think we call that performing arts these days.
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Well then maybe, JUST MAYBE....people shouldn't use emojis for actual communication where meaning might be important.
Except they do.
I've heard that there are these things called "words", which, when used properly, have the amazing ability to convey information accurately.
Oh gosh, I bet miscommunication over text channels which don't convey the subtelties of intonation and body language have never, ever happened. Also, in other news, Poe's law doesn't exist.
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Contracts and laws are put in writing, not crayon drawings or figurative dance.
Maybe there's a reason for that?
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Just wait a couple of years until the failbook generation comes to power.
Don't forget they're unable to spell so using drawings will be easier for them.
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Contracts and laws are put in writing, not crayon drawings or figurative dance.
Well that defiitively proves that words are clear and unambigious, because no one ever went to court to dispute a contract. True story.
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If you believe words convey accurate information over IM, you know shit about words and IM.
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If you believe words convey accurate information over IM, you know shit about words and IM.
Perhaps you missed the part about "when used properly"?
I've had very little trouble communicating clearly and accurately over IM and other text-based channels, but there's always some imbecile who can't grasp the meaning of words, or who deliberately misconstrues them. Like you, perhaps.
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>there's always some imbecile who can't grasp the meaning of words
Which proves my point. No matter how carefully you think you have selected your words, or how well you think you have used them, non-mathematical expressions are inherently ambiguous and therefore require the other party to interpret them. Communication requires participation of both ends of the channel, and you can't control what happens at the other end.
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Which proves my point.
Errr, no. If anything, it proves mine.
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No matter how carefully you think you have selected your words, or how well you think you have used them, non-mathematical expressions are inherently ambiguous and therefore require the other party to interpret them.
Like I said, you're proving my point for me. This is why people shouldn't use emojis for actual communication where meaning might be important. Or do you prefer deciphering hieroglyphics with multiple meanings rather than reading text?
But wait- why are you communicating with me in text, anyway? Shouldn't you be typing a bunch of stuff like "|| :) \_()_/ ;( *-^-*" or whatever?
Face it: text is the standard for unambiguous communication. That's why user manuals and contra
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"I've heard that there are these things called "words", which, when used properly, have the amazing ability to convey information accurately."
The key being "when used properly"... which is actually the same problem as described in this research.
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The key being "when used properly"... which is actually the same problem as described in this research.
I don't understand what you're saying, could you explain it again using emojis? :)
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Yes, but my response would then be ambiguous. ;-)
Two Dots Too Many (Score:5, Interesting)
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altering the meaning of a text message, leading to a tragic misunderstanding, which resulted in a group attack on the sender who then murdered the recipient and subsequently committed suicide.
Seems to me that it's not the fault of the phone, but rather the hot tempered reaction of the people involved.
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That reminds me of an incident in the UK back in 2011. Where one guy called his friend a "mutter" (mother's boy) but autocorrect wrote "nutter" [dailymail.co.uk] and so the guy stabbed his friend 104 times. I don't blame the technology, in fact, I think it was dead-on.
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The problem's older than that. Otto von Bismarck provoked the 1870 Franco-Prussian War with a slanted translation (which tells you that the French were also spoiling for a fight, since it took that little to get the war on).
just say no (Score:2)
With hundreds of emoji on the loose it is hopeless to derive any specific meaning from them, even if your eyes are able to distinguish them. I recently found a list from a provider explaining the meaning of their interminable set of symbols. I enlarged them on my screen as much as possible and still couldn't see them clearly. After reading 20 or so definitions, I gave up.
Perhaps teenagers find them useful. Adults; not so much. Businesses not at all.
Think if it as Evolution In Action (Score:2)
Darwinian moments in technology:
* emoji incompatibility starts land war in Asia, everyone gets involved
* HTML5 T-shirt design tool creates product with logo too small, off center
* LED light bulb that requires a cloud server and Android app to adjust
* people who type URLs into Google because, Internet
* video on YouTube degrades into noise, original lost among copycat uploaders
* everyone forgets that Al Gore tried to enforce escrow encryption, sell the Clipper Chip
* 140 character li
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* 140 character li
You got me, there.
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* People who type URLs into Google because ... bug in Chrome.
Has happened to me too many times. And I use DuckDuckGo, BTW, which makes it even worse.
Good luck asking people how to interpret a symbol (Score:2)
All we need to know is how most people interpret a symbol
That's easier said than done. Sometimes just asking someone what a symbol or word means, if the symbol or word is offensive, is enough to trigger punishment for having used the offensive symbol or word. Concrete example: hearing discussion on the playground, not knowing what a "blow job" is, and asking your teacher.
really, now: who cares what the trogs think? (Score:2)
Emojis are *already* visual cues, formed by the shapes of various ASCII or other character sets. They *already* suffer from this problem from the get-go.
The problem is that some people's brains are so fucking dull, so abused, so worthless, that they can't even interpret a smiley face made out of some characters.
part actually has to be done
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Who cares is some of the weirdos who've helped this brain-drain along by capitalizing on it screw up by not socializing with one another? Those people ar
Old Man Syndrome (Score:2)
If I'm depending on the ability of someone else's software to properly render my high-fiving cats (or whatever) and the fact that one cat turns out to have different whiskers than I intended means that people go to the wrong restaurant I'm probably "communicating" incorrectly.
For Reference (Score:2)
Are my emoji your emoji? - http://ark42.com/unicode/emoji... [ark42.com]
A handy tool that compares many popular emoji fonts from various systems.
Microsoft is working to improve theirs (Score:1)
An emerging ideographic world language? (Score:2)
I've seriously wondered if the gradual adoption of more and more standardized icons and emoji is slowly creating an ideographic, common world written language.
I know that a few "fast forwards" and smileys here and there is a long way from verb tenses, and I don't think I've seen people use a string of several symbols to create a meaning that's different from the sum of its parts. But we're only a couple of decades into the process.
Re:Wait, what? (Score:4, Insightful)
The problem is every bloody idiot who doesn't understand the 'what Unicode is supposed to do' part. If characters entered on one platform are showing up as different characters on another; you've either got broken software or a unicode problem. If you want absolute certainty that the recipient will see exactly the glyph you associate with a character; you don't have a unicode problem; you want one of those "Image formats" that certain people on the cutting edge of technology are using to encode, store, transfer, and decode things for which visual fidelity is important...
The fact that 'emoji' are still being treated as Unicode's problem, long after the original issue with freaky Japanese legacy handset design has largely been cleaned up, is just so frustrating. If you want your stupid clip-art to reach the recipient intact, we have a variety of (mature and widely adopted) options for that. Full ICC support and absolute color fidelity? Probably not; but good enough? Sure. Stop trying to turn Unicode into the world's most dysfunctional image format!
Unicode (Score:3)
Oh, you mean like the people who wrote, maintain(ed) and inherited the source code for slashdot.
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Make text handling more complicated than it needs to be and waste storage & bandwidth?
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Just wait till the hipster SJWs behind it all find out that there are languages that have no written form.
They'll turn it into the world's most dysfunctional audio format too.
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Why, sure it does. It gives moderators the time they need to provide the "I disagree" mod your post so desperately needs!
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Actually,
;)
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Let's take that one step further... let's replace the moderators with emojis. They'd certainly do less harm to the conversations.
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s/moderators/editors/
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s/editors/moderators and editors/
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Actually, /. should replace all mod options with emojis!
Facebook is way ahead of us with that. (And the ambiguities of their emoji mod levels fit right in with this topic.)