Researchers Keep Pig Heart Beating In Baboon Belly For 2 Years (arstechnica.com) 110
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Researchers report Tuesday that they were able to keep pig hearts alive and beating in the abdomens of five baboons for record amounts of time -- a median of 298 days and a max of 945 days. Previous benchmarks were set at a median of 180 and a max of 500 days, respectively. Currently in the US, 22 people die every day just waiting for organs, which are in constant short supply. To help solve the problem, researchers turned to pigs years ago to see if they could lend useful organs or at least provide temporary "bridge" tissue to those on wait-lists. Pigs were a good fit mainly because their organs' sizes are similar to that of human's. In early studies, successful survival time in pig-to-primate transplants, generally called xenotransplants, were measured in minutes. The swine substitutes naturally have a molecular marker, called alpha 1-3-galactosyltransferase (gal), which triggers deadly blood clots in primates. In the new study, researchers at the National Institutes of Health and colleagues, tweaked the approach; they engineered the gal-knock out pigs to have extra anti-clotting genetic features and used an antibody to selectively shut down the part of the primate's immune system that responds to pig organs. To avoid needlessly killing the baboons and doing extensive surgery, the researchers opted to transplant the pig hearts into the baboon's abdomens, leaving the primates' hearts in place. In the abdomen, the pig tickers hooked up to circulatory system and beat for a record-breaking amount of time.
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Technically, sodomy should mean being too neglectful of the poor. However, it's much more comfortable to say that a sex act you don't practice is sinful than to say that not doing something you don't want to do is sinful.
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OK, don't feed the trolls, and that includes by trolling them.
Protip: not everyone in the NT is a "hero", and just because God thought Lot was righteous enough to save doesn't mean he thought Lot was a sinless paragon of virtue. FYI, it's written that he was dead drunk, so blaming him for that incident is like blaming a date rape victim. Getting flat-assed drunk was his sin here.
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Protip, Lot was in the Old Testament, not the New Testament. The New Testament is about Jesus, who was descended from Lot, but Lot was in Genesis.
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Transplantation of pig snouts and ears. I always thought miss piggy was sexy. Why stop with pigs? We can give a whole new meaning to hung like a horse.
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how this ended last time.
With a Paul Simon video [youtube.com]?
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Makes you wonder how low someone's IQ has to be to even consider voting for Hillary. I'm just waiting for the FBI to announce the charges in their investigation, it should be interesting.
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now we have the band's name (Score:1)
Better them than me... (Score:2)
To avoid needlessly killing the baboons and doing extensive surgery, the researchers opted to transplant the pig hearts into the baboon's abdomens, leaving the primates' hearts in place.
I though ulcers were bad.
Fantastic! (Score:2)
In future dating site banter, this may beg the question, "Are you all original or part GMO?"
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I've got news for you, we're all part GMO.
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You should go rescue the poor monkeys.
But try not to have your face torn off by any of them.
They can get quite carried away with gratitude.
Re:other side of the fence (Score:5, Funny)
"Did anyone ask the baboon's opinion on having a pig's heart pointlessly stuck in his stomach?"
Yes. The baboons answered they hated it. So they stopped pointlessly putting pigs' hearts into baboons stomachs.
Then they went back to the baboons and asked about putting pigs' hearts into their stomachs, not pointlessly but in order to study how they could eventually better the life expectancy for humans in need of a transplant. To that, the baboons agreed.
That's, little boy, how this situation came to be. Promise.
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Did anyone ask the baboon's opinion on having a pig's heart pointlessly stuck in his stomach?
I hope you stay firmly attached to your high-horse when you given the option between having a pig's heart and dying.
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Damnit, do we have to talk about Trump in every thread?
Organ donors (Score:4)
Or, you know, make organ donor opt-out instead of opt-in, like other countries ... that also solves the problem.
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If the "problem" is that the state doesn't own the people, living or dead. If people elect to selfishly take their bodies with them to the grave, you have to deal with it because as "progressives" like to tell us when it suits their arguments, you can't legislate morality.
If you believe that the state actually owns the life, liberty, and property of its subjects, then there's no point in discussing any of this with you.
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When people say "rights" they tend to mean one of two things: the abstract concept or the empirical one. With the former, whether or not property rights endure past the end of your life is a matter of philosophy and debate. With the latter concept of "rights", they mostly pertain to what can be enforced, either by you or on your behalf. Your ability to enforce rights on your behalf certainly ends with death, and whether or not others are willing to do so is an open question.
However, you will note that there
Game over, man, game over (Score:1)
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Now you can have your bacon and eat it too ... mmmm bacon!
Mega Baboons (Score:2)
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Note that, in previous studies, the baboons lived for minutes before a reaction to the pig heart led to a deadly blood clot.
Were I on the waiting list for an organ, I think I'd rather stay on the list and try to live another day than get a heart that would kill me before I left the operating room.
Now that the study is complete, they can figure out why the hearts only lasted 1-3 years, and try again. They probably still aren't ready for humans.
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22 people a day die waiting for replacement organs and they thought it more ethical to put these hearts inside baboon stomachs?
Ha, Ha, charade your are.
Another study (Score:1)
Doctor Baboon (Score:4, Funny)
Two hearts... Is this baboon a swinelord?
Hardly counts without mechanical stress (Score:4, Informative)
I'm afraid that without the tremendous wear, tear, and turbulence of an active heart pumping the approximate 20 liters of blood per minute of a human heart, the test is interesting but hardly complete. Turbulence can trigger blood clots, which are one of the main risks of transplants. Another risk of cardiac transplants is the failure of the connections to original veins and arteries. Until and unless those are tested under significant load, the experiments remain very incomplete.
Also, given the compatibility issues of pig hearts, I'm quite startled that human hearts of incorrect tissue matches are not more viable. I'm aware that few hearts are harvested in good condition, but I'm surprised that this difficult and risky xenotransplant is serously considered. If it were merely skin grafts, or blood vessel grafts for repairs, I'd understand it better.
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Soon? We have lot's of redundant organs! Two lungs, two kidneys, two testicles/ovaries...
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Great idea, if you never want to have kids. (Score:5, Interesting)
Great idea, if you never want to have kids.
One of the big problems with xeno-transplants from pigs is PERV (Porcine Endogenous RetroVirus).
We've treated a number of people with Parkinson's in the U.S. (many more in Russia, where the technique was pioneered) using fetal pig stem cells from the brains. However, we're typically worried about introducing the virus to the human genome, since it become part of the actual genome of the organism (hence "endogenous"). One of the requirements to participate in the clinical trials was an agreement to not have unprotected sex which might result in a pregnancy -- ever -- to keep it out of the human genome.
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Why not save sperm/eggs and then vasectomy/tubectomy before the treatment?
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One of the big problems with xeno-transplants from pigs is PERV (Porcine Endogenous RetroVirus).
Already being solved [nytimes.com]
The CRISPR/Cas9 technique used in that article to inactivate PERVs was prematurely reported. Specifically, it's nearly impossible to come up with an edit sequence that does not match another edit sequence, since you are typically talking, at most, about 28 base pairs.
This tends to be a problem for large genomes, in that it typically hits multiple locations that have the same sequences, rather than just the target location. This was seen in the Chinese experiments on human embryos regarding Juvenile Huntin
Did they play this song? (Score:2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
A new insult meme rises: (Score:2, Funny)
"Why you pig hearted baboon!"
Scientists keep baboon brain alive in NYC real est (Score:5, Funny)
"Preliminary data suggests that the transplant was a huge success, with most people being unable to tell that 'subject X' wasnt really 'firing on all cylinders'. Eventually we'll have to restore the patients original brain. At that time we can also remove the poodle we transplanted onto the subjects scalp to cover the scars from the operation."
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Geez, can you keep this kind of National Enquirer junk off Slashdot please?
It's plain for EVERYONE to see that both:
a) a baboon would be smarter than this politician, and
b) a poodle would have better looking fur
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researchers turned to pigs years ago to see if they could lend useful organs
Yeah, perhaps not quite grasping the intricacies of transplant surgery there...
Spoiler: the pigs died (Score:3)
The article makes the point about 'rather than killing the baboons'. The baboons weren't exactly enjoying a 'life' but you can see where this would go. It would be cheaper if you could reuse baboons (expensive) for successive hearts.
Odd: The article concludes that experiments have to be carried out using the process but with animals whose own hearts have been removed. Not sure what the point is. Apparently, a pig's heart when left in the pig will beat for at least a decade if not prematurely stopped.
http://www.xenodiaries.org/summary.htm (Score:1)
Dan Lyons, author of Diaries of Despair and a joint Defendant with Uncaged Campaigns, comments:
"We have consistently argued throughout the proceedings that the clear evidence of horrific animal suffering and Government misconduct means that there is an overwhelming public interest in the publication of these confidential documents. Ironically, the fact that we have been forced to win a legal battle to publish the evidence simply confirms the scandalous implications of the documents.
"Now, for the first time
How many (Score:2)
How many human organs are they (and are they all the same size)? How many humans? Do you really need a possessive when you have "of"?
Unpopular point (Score:2)
Want Ultramarines? (Score:2)
Because this is how we end up with Ultramarines.
How does this help? (Score:1)
If the rate of available organs isn't high enough to cover the rate of those in need. How does extending the life of those in need change that? Is that not just putting newer additions to the need list further behind while complicating the recovery of those with pig hearts?
I mean, its neat. I just don't see how it will help unless there are times where a viable heart is waiting for a patient, not the other way around. At lest then you might hope that an oversupply of donated hearts occurs and you could