Newly Discovered Star Has an Almost Pure Oxygen Atmosphere (popularmechanics.com) 121
William Herkewitz, reports for Popular Mechanics: A newly discovered star is unlike any ever found. With an outermost layer of 99.9 percent pure oxygen, its atmosphere is the most oxygen-rich in the known universe. Heck, it makes Earth's meager 21 percent look downright suffocating. The strange stellar oddity is a radically new type of white dwarf star, and was discovered by a team of Brazilian astronomers led by Kepler de Souza Oliveira at the Federal University of Rio Grande do Sul in Brazil. The star is unique in the known pool of 32,000 white dwarf stars, and is the only known star of any kind with an almost pure oxygen atmosphere. The new white dwarf has a mouthful of a name -- SDSSJ124043.01+671034.68 -- but has been nicknamed 'Dox' (pronounced Dee-Awks) by Kepler's team. The discovery was reported today in a paper in the journal Science.
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Huh Too bad you can't live there... because you'd be on fire...because its a star....
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No worries - he'll only visit at night (cue sad trombone noise...)
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womp womp!
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Also the crazy thing is how he found it.......he had data from 300,000 stars printed out, on 300,000 pages, and just started reading through them one by one to see if there was anything interesting in the data.
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That just seems weird (the paper thing). I mean, seriously, has nobody just set loose a program to flag every observed star based on its statistical departure from the norm? I mean sure, you'd might need to go through a few iterations to get the data clustered well to spot the outliers falling between clusters, but still. That seems like the sort of thing that should be done on day one of looking for interesting things.
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But the patterns aren't random. Most stars spectra will will fall into one of a handful of standard classifications, and all those should be immediately removed from the potential "interesting" set as they are only relevant for determining the standard deviation within their cluster for purposes of deciding just how strange other stars are.
If you're specifically looking for interesting compositions, you could do things like categorizing the dominant elements in a star based upon it's emission lines, and then look for anything with an abnormal composition. This isn't rocket surgery, I've got little background in data analysis, and even I can feel the shape of the software I'd need to write to find odd-composition stars, might take me an afternoon or two without using any special tools. And that's before even considering things like the the mathematical packages designed specifically to perform clustering of N-dimensional data sets.
Now granted, there's still a lot of weirdness a human might spot that I wouldn't know how to begin to program for, but an oxygen star? That should have been flagged as unusual within minutes of recording its spectrum.
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Now granted, there's still a lot of weirdness a human might spot that I wouldn't know how to begin to program for, but an oxygen star? That should have been flagged as unusual within minutes of recording its spectrum.
That's probably true......someone else said, "that's typical for Brazilian science."
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There is the H-R diagram - it's a graph of luminosity vs. temperature in Kelvin
http://www.universetoday.com/5... [universetoday.com]
A white dwarf is anywhere between 1/10,000th the size of our Sun and the size of the Sun. It can also be the same temperature or five times hotter.
Astronomers do look at the electromagnetic spectrum of the star, but only certain elements show up at different temperatures:
http://www.pic2fly.com/viewima... [pic2fly.com]
Oxygen only shows up at 7000K and below 3000K
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I'm pretty sure that's nots true. Since you're referencing the H-R diagram, I suspect you mean that it can be between 10^-5 and 10^0 of the luminosity of the Sun, but not necessarily the size (in terms of metres). Luminosity is related to the size (by a squared relationship) and the temperature (by a quartic relationship, or is it quintic?). You're OK on the temp
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Owwww. Not wrong ... (etc etc.)
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Apparently (and I get this from reading the article), it's not just the surface that's 99% oxygen, it's the whole star that is mainly oxygen.
Also the crazy thing is how he found it.......he had data from 300,000 stars printed out, on 300,000 pages, and just started reading through them one by one to see if there was anything interesting in the data.
That's kind of the way you have to look through porn.
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Red Headed (Red Start)
Blonde (white star)
Brunette (Blackhole)
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I just read the paper. And the discussion in Science. I didn't waste my time reading Popular Whatever It Was, and it looks like that was a good choice.
In TFP, the only mention of data set size is that there were 4.5 million spectra taken in the Sloan Digital Sky Survey (the SDSS part of the object's name, not in the least bit mysterious), but no ment
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Snarky!
But probably not. Suns are giant balls of fusion-heated plasma, probably not much in the way of fire to be found anywhere on a significantly luminous sun. Burning (aka fire) is a chemical reaction, and suns are typically much too hot for any stable chemical bonds to exist for fire to rearrange. In fact I would guess that the plasma is so ionized that the nuclei don't even have any bonded electrons with which they could engage in any chemical reaction at all, no matter how fleeting.
Butts (Score:4, Funny)
No smoking on that planet...
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That's no star.
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That's no star.
That's my suister, you insensetive clod.
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Probably not for very long, at least.
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Slashvertisement? (Score:2, Insightful)
WTF?
Its not like the star is for sale or anything
I presume its just an April Fool joke
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(800) 282-3333 will sell some
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Ah, see, you missed the real prank...
Slashdot has decided to pretend its corporate HQ and the vast majority of its users operate under PDT rather than UTC.
Get it?
/ Oh, wouldja look at that, 17 o'clock, time for lunch!
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It is a pleasant change from most sites, where the jokes are things people assume are bugs.
okay, this is totally retarded (Score:3, Insightful)
Who the hell thought this "slashvertisement" thing would be funny?
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Who the hell thought this "slashvertisement" thing would be funny?
At least it's not as atrocious as last years abortive attempt at humor. And I use that word because it was literally as funny as an abortion. And I use that word because there was nothing figurative about it.
Re:okay, this is totally retarded (Score:4, Funny)
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I imagine it's hilarious to whipslash, who seems to spend a lot of time responding sarcastically to a million comments complaining every story is a slashvertisement .
That's pretty much the reason I found it funny. Much funnier than filling the site with bogus stories... past years I stopped even visiting Slashdot on April 1st. Making fun of everyone calling everything slashvertisements, binary user ids, binary mods? I'll put that up there with OMG Ponies as a funny window dressing while still offering actual articles.
+1 from me.
Sam
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Doubtful (Score:2)
"These observations are simple graphs about what colors of light came from each pinpoint source (called a spectral graph). Because a computer isn't easily programmed with such a vague task as "find something weird and cool," Ourique was challenged with the grunt-work task of physically looking at printed out pages of all 300,000 graphs."
Computers are very good at finding "weird and cool" things from graph data. Why would you need to look at printed out pages?
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Back in my day we had to read 6 sides of printed paper after walking to school up hill both ways in the snow.
Walk up the hill? (Score:2)
Back in my day we had to crawl on hand and bare feet over glass to get to school....
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Agreed. We even have software specifically designed to cluster arbitrary N-dimensional data. Simplest case you feed in the N-band spectrographs of all observed stars and let it cluster away, then go looking at anything that didn't fit neatly into any of the clusters. And presumably look at the clusters themselves too, just in case there's a lot of something you didn't know existed.
It'd probably due a crap job without a lot of refining, but would probably turn up lots of weird stuff all the same.
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My understanding is that, actually no - they're not so good at that. We humans still excel at pattern recognition.
Now, this is a layman's understanding (though I understand it a bit better than most laymen, I should assume) so take it at face value and with that caveat.
But, we're just now getting to the point where computers are approaching child-like recognition. Remember the recent outrage when black people were recognized as gorillas? How they have issues with Asian eyes not being open?
See, as a kid, we
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Umm... You don't realize that data points, over multiple objects, are patterns? The images used were an *example* and not the totality. And you think it is *I* who doesn't understand the problem? Really? REALLY?
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Human wetware will find patterns, even if none exi (Score:2)
What I ended up using for my non-captcha was our amazing ability to instantly spot and categorize this type of pattern:
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I have no idea what that is but it looks like a stripper with a mouse-mask.
I'm not positive but I have a good idea that that's not what you were going for. Sorry - but I have no clue what it is that that's meant to represent.
It's okay. Don't feel bad. I can't do those MagicEye© things either. I seriously haven't got a clue what it is you're going for. It looks like a stripper (sans bra) wearing a rodent mask to me. I really, really doubt that's what you intended I, the recipient, to see.
That doesn't ne
That's pretty much what was intended (Score:2)
> It looks like a stripper (sans bra) wearing a rodent mask to me. I really, really doubt that's what you intended I, the recipient, to see.
That's pretty it. We'll spot a potentially sexy member of the opposite gender in the dark at 200 yards. Even if the pattern of lines looks quite rodent-like, we'll spot those tits. :)
In tests, I found we're better at distinguishing a man vs a woman than we are a man vs a fire hydrant - we'll "see" a man 200-300 yards out in the dark (black and white vision) even if
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Heh... Does it mean anything if I first thought they were eyeballs? ;-)
When computers can do that then I think our binary friend above will have a point. They can't do that yet. I'm not the least bit surprised that it was found by a human reading bits of paper and noticing an oddity. (Oddly, if you expand their comment, they went on to assert that I had no idea what I was talking about and that the problem wasn't pattern recognition.)
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Define, for all your audience, "sexy." Also define, for all your audience, what the phrase "opposite gender" means.
As far as I'm aware, most countries in the civilised world make it illegal to discriminate against people on the basis of their gender. Which is what you're doing. Congratualtions - you must be the first resident of Saudi Arabi that I've communicated with on Slashdot.
Guess how I know (Score:2)
In fact, the way my non-CAPTCHA is used, we know -exactly- what the user thinks is sexy. Guess how we pull that trick off.
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Yo Momma ... actually, I don't need to complete the joke, because even if you considered your mother's identical twin sister to be sexy, your response to "yo momma" is likely to be different.
Anyway, you either code for a porn site (in which case you get people's lies-to-themselves) or for a psychology specialist site (in which case, you're well aware of these problems).
a) is the correct answer (Score:2)
You are correct, the code is mostly used on porn sites (about 30,000 of them). If you've paid $29.95 to join RedheadMilf.com, we can reasonably infer that you might like red headed milfs. We use whatever photos the site itself is selling, what the customer already paid for.
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NOT EQUAL TO "we know"
Which is fine : good inference is a fine standard. But it is not the same as "knowledge".
What are the odds that RedheadMilf.com has a number of customers who are police officers and/or vigilantes masquerading as customers in order to monitor the content? 80%? 90%? 99%? (Note that these masqueraders may not be from your jurisdiction.)
0.01%, but if the CAPTCHA annoys them, GREAT! (Score:2)
If it were a free site, and it were call redhead-lolitas.com, you might see a few of those. Paying $29.95 for MILFs? Odds close to zero.
However, if such a person takes an extra two or three seconds to recognize the red headed MILFs in the pics, that's great.
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whiplash, sometimes the best response to criticism is no response at all. Besides, bitching about April Fool's stories is every bit as much of a Slashdot tradition as the April Fool's stories themselves. It just isn't the same without them. I come just for the schadenfreude.
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Now I'm confused
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Why are all user ID's and article scores in binary notation? Is there some option to change the base to decimal, octal, hexadecimal or some other language like Vai?
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Get your panties out of a bunch.
Nice bit of sexism right there.
There are plenty of guys that wear silky under things.
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Now that's what I like to see. I seem to recall that my very first post to you, on your very first day, was mentioning the need to say things pretty much just like that.
You can't please 'em all and it's futile to try. There is, literally, not one thing you can do that will make everyone happy. Sometimes, you just gotta tell 'em to pound sand. Which, well, you just did.
I, for one, appreciate our new realistic and mostly down-to-Earth overlords. I also second your sentiment but I do worry that we're having a bad influence on you. ;-)
"You were such a nice young man, until you started hanging around *that* crowd." Say the old ladies who amass around the village well. "Well, I'll never let MY daughter anywhere near him." Exclaims one of them, as the rest titter and nod in affirmation.
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Is there a -1 Toady mod?
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Glad to see you're actually doing to Slashdot what needs to be done. So far I've liked the changes.
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No problem, credit due where it's deserved. I also posted a submission follow-up on that oil scandal from Wed (https://slashdot.org/submission/5731939/monaco-based-oil-company-unaoil-raided-by-police [slashdot.org]). I really like that Slashdot is the only news agency in North America that is reporting on this.
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It goes so far as when I get logged out I cannot go back to the page I was logged in on and click "reply" again, I have to go back to the main page and back into the article. Even doing that, about half the time the article comes up without me logge
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Better yet, pop 20 Xanax and sleep the rest of your life out.
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I never know whether news articles are serious or fake.
- a star with an Oxygen atmosphere could have been a dead give away but then again, public education system....
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While atmosphere isn't the most accurate way of describing the outer layers of a star, it seems reasonable to use it when describing the phenomena of a stars outer layers to laymen. I can't remember how deeply we went into the proper names for the various layers of stars in school, but I think it mostly consisted of descriptions of eclipses, coronas and such.
Perhaps your education didn't teach you that oxygen comes after helium and before neon in the layers of a large star, which of course leads to the poss
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As an astronomy minor I can appreciate the reactions that take place in the core of a star. There is likely a trace of oxygen above the core, since we do detect traces of many materials in a star spectrum but the core is where thermonuclear reactions take place, that's where you would see material conversion. Photosphere, etc., do not consist of pure oxygen. To read a story like that on the first of April does not add any certainty that this makes any sense, most likely a hoax. The story said: almost p
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A very large star will have nuclear reactions happening through a good portion of the star, with hydrogen fusion happening near the surface, a layer below with helium fusion, another layer below that with oxygen fusion right down to the core where iron/nickel may be being synthesized.
If the outer layers are blown away (think planetary nebula), you could be left with the oxygen layer at the surface.
Anyways to a non-expert such as I am, it seems unlikely but not impossible and it is a big universe.
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Well, if it's not a hoax it would be unprecedented for a star, we will find out eventually if it is confirmed.
I know him... (Score:2)
I studied physics at UFRGS and I met him a couple of times. He was also a heavy weight lifter. That's not fat in his belly. Don't know him well, though.
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Most boring job ever (Score:2)
It was found by way of a process so grueling that its initial discoverer—one of Kepler's undergraduate students Gustavo Ourique—deserves a mention.
Ourique was looking for strange, new types of white dwarfs in a data pile of 300,000 possible observations. These observations are simple graphs about what colors of light came from each pinpoint source (called a spectral graph). Because a computer isn't easily programmed with such a vague task as "find something weird and cool," Ourique was challenged with the grunt-work task of physically looking at printed out pages of all 300,000 graphs.
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I know grad students are essentially slave labor, but you figure it would be profitable to at least try to develop a filter. Maybe use correlation and a training set to at least identify all the routine, boring spectral plots that look like each other?
Better name eva!!! (Score:1)
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