Drinking More Coffee May Undo Liver Damage From Booze (usatoday.com) 182
schwit1 writes: Drinking more coffee might help reduce the kind of liver damage that's associated with overindulging in food and alcohol, a review of existing studies suggests. Researchers analyzed data from nine previously published studies with a total of more than 430,000 participants and found that drinking two additional cups of coffee a day was linked to a 44% lower risk of developing liver cirrhosis.
More 4 Loco? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:More 4 Loco? (Score:5, Funny)
You better not be bad mouthing Irish coffee. The best drink ever invented.
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Matilda Bay used to brew a coffee beer named Crema.
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One of the best things to come out of Fremantle but now it's brewed in the east, I think.
Re: More 4 Loco? (Score:2)
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One of the best things to come out of Fremantle but now it's brewed in the east, I think.
Ahem,
https://littlecreatures.com.au/venues/1-fremantle-brewery [littlecreatures.com.au]
Admittedly, not much else comes out of Freo besides STDs.
BTW, hardly surprised to find Aussies at the centre of this thread. Two things we do exceptionally well are Beer and Coffee.
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Ah yes but Little Creatures was founded by ex-staff of Matilda Bay.
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I started this:
I was in Aus, 15 years ago (god damn I'm old, WTF happened?) the only coffee to be had was instant.
The beer was OK I guess. Better than American can beer, but not by much. I'm not talking about the piss (Fosters) that's the same as American can beer.
Not that American beer was all that great, 15 years ago the 'microbrew scene' was 1000 bad English style Brown Ales. To be fair they might have been a few good English style Brown Ales, but I got so sick of them, I hate them all now. Today
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15 years is a long time.
The coffee scene exploded out of Melbourne in the early to mid 2000's but Fosters hasn't been sold here for decades. That is the kind of beer we only export, nothing is too bad for the rest of the world.
15 years ago (2001) you'd have VB as the bad beer closely followed by Toohey's Extra Dry (TED). Then the crappy beer brewed locally like West End (SA) Emu Export (WA) XXXX (QLD because the banana benders cant spell beer) and so fourth. So I have to ca
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Not every microbrew. America now makes as good beer as anywhere. Including Germany.
The slackers now are England and Ireland. I know people who actually think Guinness is good stout...
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The logical explanation is you haven't tried an American beer in 30 years.
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Do you know what Irish coffee is?
FYI I spent an evening trying all the German herb liquors. Trying to find one that was worse than Jagermeister. It's called Ratzenputz. Apparently that means 'clean you out', still have to figure out something to get back at my cousin.
The Germans don't get why Americans drink Jager like it was something other than stomach tonic. But their kids have started to drink it as well.
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drink coffee and alcohol at the same
Drunk and wide awake. Can't think of a scarier way to go throughout life.
Re:More 4 Loco? (Score:5, Insightful)
Sober and wide awake is pretty scary. Especially these days.
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Only for a little while, you quickly develop a tolerance for it.
Re:More 4 Loco? (Score:5, Insightful)
Drunk and wide awake. Can't think of a scarier way to go throughout life.
Lemmy did it with booze and speed. He certainly seemed to have enjoyed it.
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Re:More 4 Loco? (Score:4, Insightful)
Lemmy only lived to 70. How long would he have lived without the booze and speed?
How much would he have lived without booze and speed?
(You call that living?!?)
Yes, and so did he.
Don't knock what you haven't tried. I'm sober out of necessity, but if I could, I'd be drunk and drugged every day for the rest of my life, noodling guitars and groupies. Even if my life got cut in half, it would be far more than twice as enjoyable. Even without the guitars and groupies.
Re:More 4 Loco? (Score:5, Informative)
Lemmy only lived to 70. How long would he have lived without the booze and speed? (You call that living?!?)
Lemmy's last words were, "Fuck it. I've had a good run."
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Lemmy only lived to 70. How long would he have lived without the booze and speed? (You call that living?!?)
Lemmy's last words were, "Fuck it. I've had a good run."
You know I'm born to lose, and gambling's for fools,
But that's the way I like it baby,
I don't wanna live for ever
-Ace of Spades, Motorhead
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Now that you mention it...
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix... [dailymail.co.uk]
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I'm amazed he even made it to 70 with a lifestyle like that.
http://www.metalinjection.net/... [metalinjection.net]
Party hard, indeed.
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Agreed. Binge all night, sleep it off. Then take the morning after pill the next morning!
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This is a bad idea actually since having a stimulant and a depressant can lead to heart attacks (in severe cases)
BSD and Windows 10 at the same time ?
Re:Prediciton (Score:2)
I forsee a lot of alert drunks in the future.
So... (Score:5, Funny)
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It's also cheaper than Starbucks.
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[CSI at Starbucks]
"Ma'am you've been robbed. Suspect is at large."
Barista: At what?
"At large"
At what?
"At venti?"
OMG HOW AWFUL!!!
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Now I've heard everything. Aussies bragging on their instant coffee...damn tea drinkers.
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Well you'd think Seattle, SB's birthplace, would be overrun by sugary caffeinated milk. But it has a number of independent coffee shops where one can get a proper flat white or long mac.
Vancouver, north of the border, seems to have imported the full bearded and tattooed hipster single origin experience, that would make Brunswick baristas blush.
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Coffee makes you pee a lot. This helps flush out the liver and kidneys. I am not a Doctor, but I use Twitter, can't you tell?
Sounds close enough. I am a Doctor, but the other kind
Anyone who takes the article as guidance, though, should also strongly consider the effects of acetaminophen (paracetamol, Tylenol) when ingested with alcohol, or the morning after. In short, the pair's metabolisation chains interfere with one another, leading to the formation of kidney/liver-damaging products in the blood.
I think I've covered (Score:2)
I just can't (Score:2)
Props to all the folks out there who can actually drink two cups of coffee a day, but I can't even tolerate one. As for decaf? Nope, I get the coffee shits. And it's not because of the caffeine, because I can have an energy drink without feeling like I'm pooping out my bloody entrails.
But it's all rather academic anyway, since I don't drink alcohol either. I'm the life of the party, I know.
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Two cups a day? Pffft.
Try 5 or 6. I think my record is 8, when I had a ten hour day at work.
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8? Before breakfast...
I had to switch to much stronger coffee. Now I get by on one (about 32 oz) coffee. It's about 90 weight.
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Two cups a day? Pffft.
Try 5 or 6. I think my record is 8
I used to drink 3-4 kettles a day, and more on weekends.
I prefer kettle brewed coffee. Copper kettle, and a piece of fish skin (it acts as a catalyst, and the suds fall to the bottom).
On Mondays, i used to stumble into the office, eat two spoonfuls of instant coffee, and bend my head down to the hot water tap to wash it down.
Yes, I'm a sysadmin, why do you ask?
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That's a feature, not a bug.
It's about time. (Score:2)
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I keep waiting for the study that says online porn and video poker are good for you.
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I keep waiting for the study that says online porn and video poker are good for you.
Wait no longer.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=porn+foun... [lmgtfy.com]
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Well now I have my evening planned.. (Score:2)
Coffee at work, and booze at home.
Some people just live on no matter what. (Score:4, Funny)
Why is it the bitter ones that always live forever?
I've met some cranky old farts I'd swear were fuled by booze, kept their heart beating with black coffee, glued together by cigarette tar, and given the will to live by the sheer resentment they have for their fellow man.
Study funded by? (Score:3)
I can just imagine reading a paper concluding the above, with a footnote reading 'this research was part sponsored by Kenco and Carlsberg'...
An interesting piece of data for idiots to misuse (Score:2, Informative)
Well I guess the article clarifies that coffee in moderation has some positive effects, (I know I started drinking it again after reading some articles, but I'm a 2 day, black only guy, fuck the extra calories from sugar and milk)
That being said, I mean if you actually give 2 shits about your liver, you'd be far better off switching to a diet low in carbs / packaged food and seriously increase your vegetable and fibre intake. In my case my GammaGT was 167 (it's meant to be 51) so I did some reading, ate a
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Ok, and what will you do with your healthy liver now?
Pickle it for posterity.
I don't drink coffee and beat hep (Score:2)
I picked up hepatitis when I was 5 living in Turkey, and again just as I left Vietnam; was never told what type.
I recently had an extensive blood test to see just what I did have and where it was.
Hepatitis A and B but just traces of the target, they were all but gone.
Caffeine of course it's everywhere but not any coffee, just don't care for it.
Correlations are Fun! (Score:2)
But what if this means that people who drink heavily who suddenly replace their breakfast fifth of whiskey with a pot of coffee allow their livers to actually have two alcohol-free minutes to function and repair? And people who also replace their liquid lunch with another pot of coffee are affording even more time for the liver to repair?
I don't think this paper has validated coffee as a magical elixir that repairs your liver, boosts your Strength attribute to 5 and Vitality to 4, and gives you Alcohol Immu
a better link (Score:2)
Wiley library
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com... [wiley.com]
Follow the grant money (Score:2)
Follow the grant money, all the way to Starbucks!
eh (Score:2)
"Researchers analyzed data from nine previously published studies with a total of more than 430,000 participants and found that drinking two additional cups of coffee a day was linked to a 44% lower risk of developing liver cirrhosis."
Were the people who were drinking that extra two cuppas drinking less booze as well?
Causation, correlation, etc., etc...
Does anyone actually do basic research anymore? (Score:2)
It seems like everything that comes out now is just a "review of existing studies." Didn't science used to involve actual experiments and tests?
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AA meetings (Score:2)
I guess that's why all AA meetings serve coffee
Grad student (Score:3)
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Maybe you could start a movement to take that away from us along with everything else. I sure am looking forward to your safety scissors world.
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Maybe you could start a movement to take that away from us along with everything else. I sure am looking forward to your safety scissors world.
How about we just replace coffee with sex? More health benefits, you'll sleep better, and a lot more fun than a cup of coffee.
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And I won't get any of it. Pass.
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The problem with your argument is right now I can have both, and I don't see any reason to sacrifice either. So, while you're depriving yourself, I'll be getting the best of all worlds!
Re:Not the best plan. (Score:4, Funny)
The problem with your argument is right now I can have both
Yes, but it's really hard to avoid spilling the coffee.
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After enough sex you'll inevitably wind up having a child - that's around the time when you discover just how amazing unspillable sippy cups are.
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It's not that one can't give up coffee, it's that there's literally no reason to. Personally I love my coffee, and I hate how everyone is constantly trying to strip the things I love out of my life. It's too short for that nonsense.
Also, when I'm so old I can't get it up, or my looks go to shit - as will happen to us all at some point - I'll still have glorious coffee. I don't understand why we're all trying to live forever anyway. That's not happening. Plus, if it's taking any years off my life, it'll
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Spirit is willing but the flesh is spongy and bruised! [youtube.com]
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...must be time for a coffee break!
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If you need caffeine to function normally, you have a problem.
I drink coffee because I enjoy the aroma and flavor and it gives me a perk up in the morning. However, to an extent you have a point; if you need excessive amounts of caffeine to function it may be a sign of an underlying problem such as, for example; one's thyroid or adrenal glands not functioning properly or even depression. See a physician for an exam.
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What's the point of caffeine if it only makes you perform normally? I drink caffeine to perform better than normal.
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What's the point of caffeine if it only makes you perform normally? I drink caffeine to perform better than normal.
Well, this is only possible if you're not an addict. If you drink caffeine regularly, the best it will do for you is get you back to baseline [slashdot.org] ("normal"), not exceed it.
Call ne an addict!!! (Score:2)
I do cardio 4 times per week for 45-75 min (eliptical/bike) in winter and (trails/stairs) around my house in summer/not raining/cold. I got plenty of energy but I like to feel more so I drink a few cups of coffee or small energy drink. Mind you I can get the same energy drink effect with either just tourine or + coffee.
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Call ne an addict!!!
Perhaps not. But I will call you one of the Knights Who Say Ne.
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So in other words your body doesn't get enough sleep (or you're too dehydrated when you go to sleep) and you use caffeine to reduce your mental fog which you mistakenly call low energy. Caffeine doesn't give you energy, it numbs your brain so you don't feel your actual state.
Hmm no drink about 2-4L of water per day. At least 1L during cardio. Normally drink about 1L a few hours before I go to bed. Use to it now and can sleep all night with out having to go and urinate.
Re:Not the best plan. (Score:4, Interesting)
Well, while I agree with you in principle, coffee is an outlier. After decades of trying to find the cloud to go with the silver lining researchers have been unable to find much evidence for serious harm from sustained heavy coffee usage. You won't get high blood pressure or ulcers; and far from causing cancer there is now solid evidence that coffee protects you from liver and pancreatic cancers.
As for the caffeine, the only serious issue still on the table is possibly higher miscarriage rates. Aside from that the negative effects of caffeine are minor: sleeplessness if taken too late, jitteriness if taken in unaccustomed amounts, withdrawal if you decide to go cold turkey. So don't go cold turkey, drink away and enjoy the benefits.
Now I've made lifestyle changes which have for the most part eliminated my craving for caffeine. Since there's diabetes in my family I've lost weight, increased exercise, and improved my diet. Consequently I don't need caffeine to power through my afternoon fog any more; I can take it or leave it. But the evidence [sciencenews.org] for the health [sciencenews.org] benefits [npr.org] of coffee are so overwhelming [omicsonline.com] -- particularly for liver and pancreatic function -- that I've deliberately reintroduced heavy coffee drinking to my daily routine. I brew about 60-90 grams of grounds every day by various methods -- the equivalent of about 4-6 cups of drip coffee. If I have to skip I miss it, but because of the other changes I've made a day without coffee is not the brain-numbing torture it once would have been.
If Dr. Oz claimed that something does all the good things coffee does with so few drawbacks, I'd chalk it up to him being a lying bastard. But coffee's the real deal.
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Well, I'm sorry to hear that; but you can go de-caff and still get the befits of the phenols and terpenes in coffee.
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If you need caffeine to function normally, you have a problem. Looking for excuses to consume more is a poor excuse for taking action about over-consumption of booze or food. Only ad addict would take this as the solution.
Sorry, I'm not following you.
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I don't need caffeine to function, I need it to pay my mortgage... without it, I'd get fired from my job!
If you need drugs to help you function at work there's something wrong either with you or your work.
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I fucking love coffee. Once a week I hit 49th Parallel Coffee Roasters for a small 4 shot Americano. Wicked strong, intense flavor and aroma, unhallowed levels of caffeine stimulation. Pure coffee bliss. I don't need it, but I sure enjoy the hell out of it.
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She doesn't have a problem! She can quit crystal meth any time she wants!
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I quit drinking coffee cold turkey a year ago because 5 cups in the morning wasn't helping me stay awake. I tried a cup 10 days later, and it reminded me of my first taste of coffee - bloody gross. Not even tempted. I just don't miss it, not even when sitting at the keyboard. But to answer your question, I had been drinking coffee for more than 30 years.
As for booze, what booze? Same with soft drinks - what soft drinks? It's amazing how bad a diet soft drink tastes if you haven't had one for a while. And h
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Shitty coffee always tastes shitty, no matter how much coffee I drink. Likewise, good coffee always tastes good, no matter how little I drink. It's fucking amazing how bad mainstream coffee is. I know what a hipster I sound like, but I grew up drinking coffee from a competent local roaster, it was kind of ubiquitous in Santa Cruz. You can get OK coffee in supermarkets though, there's really nothing wrong with it if you pick wisely.
As for diet soft drinks, if you get a chance and the inclination, try Zevia's
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I can second Zevia. And not even because it's "diet" but because it doesn't have an overly sweet flavor.
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It's wise to avoid going cold turkey on coffee. It's one way to get long term migraines that are tough to clear up.
Doesn't happen if you wean off coffee slowly.
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5 cups in the morning is extremely excessive. You could have cut that down to 1 or 2 cups a day and had all the health benefits of drinking coffee, without the jitters and other drawbacks of a large coffee intake.
what happens when you don't drink (Score:2)
you're more than fine. you'll have a super liver.
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A shot of real coffee is 2 oz. A cup of that is at least 2-3 shots.
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Correlation is not causality. And yet people fall for this type of stuff all the time. Wake me up when they produce an actual, double-blind and verified study.
While that's true, it'd take a lot of money and time to set up a real blind study (can't really do a double-blind study when the participants are either drinking coffee or not). If you have sufficient data from the other studies, you can control reasonably well for other effects. It's not as good as a prospective blinded study, but it's not nothing either. Practically speaking, this is about as good as it gets without some sort of totalitarian dictatorship enforcing clinical trial participation.
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Correlation absolutely implies causation. It just doesn't tell you what direction it's in or whether there's a third party involved.