Posture Affects Standing, and Not Just the Physical Kind (nytimes.com) 77
An anonymous reader writes: As somebody who sits in front of a computer most of the day, and has for a number of years, this article at the NY Times struck a bit close to home. It compiles a list of the negative consequences of poor posture. There are the obvious ones, like neck and muscle pain, joint problems, digestive issues, and so forth. But there are social problems, too. We're probably all aware that slouching can give a worse first impression than standing straight, but there's also evidence it can influence who a mugger picks to rob, and how you feel. "In a study of 110 students at San Francisco State University, half of whom were told to walk in a slumped position and the other half to skip down a hall, the skippers had a lot more energy throughout the day (abstract)." So take this as your yearly reminder, fellow keyboard-hunchers — sit up straight, move around every so often, and maybe invest in that standing desk.
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A mugger potentially puts himself in harms' way.
Chairs suck. (Score:1)
Re: Chairs suck. (Score:1)
I should have quit my first day when the Seattle startup I work for showed me my corner, with no desk or chair(!!!), and phone jack for my modem.
Re: Chairs suck. (Score:3, Funny)
We had to kill and butcher a temp in order to have lunch.
Standing desk (Score:1)
Tried it for a bit only to find out that I cannot concentrate as well when I am standing. Is it just me?
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At my computer I'm sitting, but I stand to go over documents with coworkers. Changing up seems to help.
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I used to work in a cubicle and would often have co-workers make fun of me because I would stand, stretch, and do calisthenics when able {like talking on the phone}.
This continued for a while until one of my much younger co-workers had a back issues, afterwards a lot of co-workers where doing the same and stopped making fun.
I still do my standing, stretching, and calisthenics but no one notices because I can close the office door.
Wrong Conclusion: Skipping is the Answer (Score:5, Funny)
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I was not an occifer but I spent a long time at OCS in Quantico. You learn a lot about posture. How you carry yourself is one of the greatest impressions you can make - even if the other person isn't consciously noticing it. You can add to that tone of voice, inflection, facial expressions, quality and fit of clothing, hygiene, and hair styles. They all factor into how people opine about you (even if they shouldn't). This factors into your success and failure - regardless of validity.
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Tried it for a bit only to find out that I cannot concentrate as well when I am standing. Is it just me?
It takes a while to get used to. You should get a leaning "chair", so you are not standing unsupported. There are several to chose from. I built my own with some scrap lumber and some spare cushions. Adjust your desk height so your forearms are parallel to the ground, and adjust your monitor so your eye level is about 1/3 down from the top. I stand on these wedge cushions [amazon.com].
Start with just an hour or two per day, then work your way up. I use my standing desk about four hours per day. Few people stand f
in the key of D everybody now DDDUUUUHHHHH! (Score:1)
first thing is to Not Look Like Food
second if you have had any training at all in emotional control DBT , Anger Management then you will find out that actions/attitude can influence Mood.
its also the Pack "chain of command" thing act like an alpha and folks might treat you like an alpha
Tired of the YOU DIE UNLESS YOU DO THIS news (Score:4, Interesting)
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/... [oxfordjournals.org]
Just getting tired of all the fearmongering. Medical science told everyone fat was evil, so everyone swapped to using sugar instead and started an obesity epidemic. Decades later, studies find that fat was fine and had no ill effects. Eggs, milk, gluten, all the same trends repeating themselves.
There comes a point when you can't trust any medical study on diets or broad behaviors impacting mortality.
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Some comments (Score:1)
To your attention:
a. The original paper is from 2012, in a not-so-well-known journal called Biofeedback(TM). I doubt it has a high impact factor, I managed to find none.
b. I doubt how much you can learn from such artificial movements which involve external interference with the person's natural behavior.
c. The direction of causality may be easily confused. Does feeling happy make us move more or the other way around?
d. The methodology of asking people how they feel, after you have made them do something wh
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No kidding. If I die, oh well. I care not!
Wrong conclusion (Score:3)
The study doesn't compare slouching to standing straight - it compares slouching to skipping.
And I guarantee you a guy skipping down the street is going to draw more attention from muggers and other thugs.
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"See that guy? He's crazy! Let's go for an easier target." Crazy = unpredictable = bad target. On the other hand, I've been told they probably avoid me because I look like I might rip someone's heart out with my bare hands and eat it, just to see if it tastes like bacon. So skipping is not always necessary to be a bad target.
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The 'skipping' study had nothing to do with how others percieve you. It was a study on how body posture affects low energy levels caused by depression.
Social studies at its best (Score:2)
In a nine sentence abstract the word subjective is used five times, yet the title is "How Body Postures Influence Your Energy Level".
Science
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Jury!
Sorry, they are still out.
Obligatory Abstruse Goose (Score:2)
As somebody who sits in front of a computer most of the day...
http://abstrusegoose.com/354 [abstrusegoose.com]
This one was horrifyingly accurate when I first found it.
skip to and from the restroom (Score:2)
Or just skip down the hall on the way to and back from the restroom...
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I'd have laughed my ass off if an employee was skipping down the hallway. I'd have laughed even harder if we had a client in the building. Hell, at one point we had absolutely no pressing work and were going to be doing very little for a few days. We went out and played in the park and the following day we went to a museum. We'd already been paid and there was nothing we could do until [redacted] got off their ass and got the data to us. We were still pretty small then and could get away with it.
We had D
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Hence, the origin of "Skip to the loo, my darlin'."
MAYBE... but standing has it's own problems. (Score:3)
You pop a vain in your leg because you've been on your feet all day and the only thing they can really do about it is inject saline or something similar causing the vein to collapse and the blood to re-route.
And as someone who has worked full time on his feet in the past and developed pain in my feet. I assure you, a podiatrist will speak with confidence but the treatment effectiveness is so far from science that it is effectively voodoo. The foot, calf, all the tendons ligaments, and all those very very very many bones involved is extremely complicated. For 45% of people you can solve a lot of the foot problems by stepping on the machine at walmart and getting custom footpads, for maybe 5-10% the complicated extra braces or specialized shoes, etc from a podiatrist will take care of it when that fails (and cost a great deal of money), for the rest the only solution to sit down.
Trust me, if you haven't spent a few months on your feet for 6+hrs 4-5x a week and don't have arch problems you will after doing so for a few months.
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I've been working at a standup desk for over a decade now with no problems whatsoever; in fact, it helped fixed up all my poor posture problems from years of sitting at desks. Of course I work standing up mostly barefoot, in flat sandals or flat simple shoes -- no fancy pads or shoes.
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I used to work on a factory floor, part of my work area had a raised wooden floor. After six weeks or so, getting on my feet after sitting or laying felt like I was pushing on a bruise. Stepping from the concrete floor to the raised wooden floor was like walking onto a cloud.
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Your tips aren't bad ones but the best answer is balance. Do not sit all day, do not stand all day, do not lay in a bed all day. Instead, balance these things out. If you are going to get a standing desk then get a tall stool to go with it and a nice shock absorbing mat to walk on rather than directly on the hard ground. Alternate sitting and standing throughout the day and don't spend hours doing just one or the other. Fix your posture. Spend a short time meditating each day to keep your mind organized and
It also brings monarchy to the US (Score:2)
Standing desks... (Score:2)
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Standing desks are no better than sitting desks. Maintaining any position for a long period of time is harmful. They key here is movement.
Except with a standing desk you do move around more than if you are in a chair. You naturally shift your weight and position when you aren't confined to a chair.
The problem is that is that a standing desk a really tough transition if you're carrying extra weight. I built one for myself (have you seen how much those things cost?) a couple years ago and found I didn't like it. It put way too much stress on my feet and legs, even with anti-fatigue mats and support hose. Then I lost 60 pounds and now I use
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with a standing desk you do move around more than if you are in a chair. You naturally shift your weight and position when you aren't confined to a chair.
True, and this is a particular benefit for anyone with even slight ADHD tendencies. I didn't realize how much I hated prolonged sitting until I got myself a standing desk (in my case, it's a coffee table on top of a desk). Besides just shifting your weight, there are all kinds of motions you can do -- I'm basically kicking my feet around while typing right now. The downside is that I now avoid sitting events such as theatre and movies even more, but OTOH the occasional sitting feels like a proper relief for
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Yeah, your wrists should hover...
Standing up straight = military? (Score:2)
I've always had decent posture, stood up straight, and colleagues at one past job wondered if I had a military background. Figures. I try to give myself an excuse to stand up and walk around every hour or two. Coffee is helpful. :-)
Like all things, it's a matter of balance. I'm tall (6'1") and if I didn't have good posture I'd be in trouble.
I see an epidemic of slouching people with incipient dowager's humps from constantly leaning over their smart phone...
...laura
Tensing is not the opposite of slouching (Score:3)
I agree that posture has significant effects on well being and how we are perceived, but the images I had as a kid of good posture were misguided. Military attention and finishing school book-balanced-on-your-head stiffness are not good example of ideal posture. They are too tense, stressing shoulders and lower back, among other things.
Good posture is balanced and flexible. Imaging partially hanging from a string attached to a point straight above the spine on the top of your head, with relaxed (not slouched) shoulders and back. Instead of rigidly holding a position and pivoting the body at one point, allow the hips and back, legs, shoulder, etc to adapt like an inverted pendulum to maintain balance -- not wiggly, just adaptable.
I hope this doesn't come off as too didactic, but it took me 50 years to begin to learn to move properly and it makes a big difference. At least for me.
I second that, have similar experience. (Score:2)
I have a diploma in performing arts which I got in the 90ies. '99 was my fittest year, I had completely compensated the nerd posture problem including ditching my back pain and the need for medical insoles and felt great. I did a career switch into IT, with my posture getting worse again. In 2008 I picked up Tango dancing and improved my posture on the fast track again, with people close to me wondering how strait I stand.
I can attest: We are cousins of primates - how we stand and walk severely affects how
Gold standard for posture upgrade (Score:2)
Donald Duck (Score:1)
Interestingly, I read an article about a photographer who noticed, while taking images of indigenous people, this exact posture. What she also noticed was that there were 80 year old women bending over from the waist with no apparent pain while picking vegetables. This diverged into reviewing old plates in medical textbooks which showed a much greater cu
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Old news (Score:2)
That muggers/thieves will pick people who slouch and look down/avoid eye contact, has been reported on before, and It's not false. Such posture/behavior telegraphs that you're a target easy for the picking, not likely to fight back. Walking upright, being willing to make eye contact is something people with at least some sense of self worth, etc. do, and make you a much less attractive target.