DNA Vaccine Sterilizes Mice, Could Lead To One-Shot Birth Control For Cats, Dogs 153
sciencehabit writes: Animal birth control could soon be just a shot away. A new injection makes male and female mice infertile by tricking their muscles into producing hormone-blocking antibodies. If the approach works in dogs and cats, researchers say, it could be used to neuter and spay pets and to control reproduction in feral animal populations. A similar approach could one day spur the development of long-term birth control options for humans.
cats and dogs agree... (Score:2)
"think of the harbles!"
Suuuure.... (Score:1)
...cats and dogs... why do i suddenly have flashbacks to the "vaccine" guns from X-Men: The last stand...?
Next up: Cure for overpopulation found...
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The grenade launchers were deemed useless and returned to the army for a refund, but the hollowpoints are about what it takes to certify every law enforcement officer on their service weapon and do a little training. Not even enough training to be really safe with their sidearms, but a little training is still a definite improvement.
Remember - violence doesn't need much ammo, but proficiency will eat as much as you can shoot.
Re:Suuuure.... (Score:4, Interesting)
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Or in Israel in the 21st century, where poor Ethiopian refugees were sterilized without their knowledge, believing they were being vaccinated.
http://www.theguardian.com/com... [theguardian.com]
It's a recurring practice in human history.
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Umm... WHAT? (Score:5, Interesting)
What could possible go wrong? Did some government police state / apocalyptic scenarios run through anyone else's minds when they read that?
Re:Umm... WHAT? (Score:4, Interesting)
Yeah... it's not like our government has a history of sterilizing undesirables or anything, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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The link I posted (which contains an incomplete list of notable incidents) lists involuntary sterilization of prisoners as recently as 2010. I wouldn't say that "we stopped 5 years ago" is a good indicator that we've changed our ways as a nation and won't ever do it again.
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Yes. Yes they did.
And don't forget conspiracy theory wingnuts of all stripes: "Obama wants to destroy us!" and "African holocaust!!"
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Or Harvard is just giving away degrees if your daddy has enough money.
Bush was a middling student, and in real life demonstrated himself to be a bit of an idiot.
So much for the quality of a degree from Harvard.
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Not much really, your DNA is in every single cell, reproduction will still be possible, albeit through lab technique, which is preferable since it wont ever happen accidentally.
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Unlikely, we enjoy it too much.However, we can unlink from procreation.
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That's a neat idea. ALL pregnancies have to be planned, and only when you are established enough financially to afford it. That's awesome.
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> *Approval may be permitted regardless of other qualifications assuming 3 is met on an individual case basis by the state police chief.
Its funny, a while back I was curious if one could become a lawyer without a degree. In theory you should be able to self study right?
After a little digging around in my state, they did define a degree as a requirement.....but there is also a clause which grants the bar association the power to waive any of the requirements they want; which means they are not so much rea
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> Because other races do not have such restrain and are out breeding white peoples
But, this is exactly what you would expect if you acknowledge that wealth is path dependent. If you start with a homogenus group of affulent people, and a much larger mixed group of poor people.
Since birth rates are directly affected by affluence, you have an affluent group of one race, whose birth rate pales in comparison to the poor, who may include people of the same race, but mixing them in with others..... yah sounds l
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or the room with the euthanization cocktails that feeds into a nearby soylent factory.
FTFY
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What could possible go wrong? Did some government police state / apocalyptic scenarios run through anyone else's minds when they read that?
If Australia had this in the 1970s there would be very few Aborigines left today.
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i think it's called having a working pair of eyes... and a rope in other parts of the world.
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Consider this for every other species on the planet, that would be considered a good thing. How many is too many, wait before the whole system collapses and the species ceases to exist or start effective birth control that has impact even in cases of intoxicated boredom and too lazy to do anything about it but that OK some one else can look after it and pass on the intoxicated bored lazy genes.
So which is it, a few billions things going wrong or a few billion things going right, which is going to be by f
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No (Score:4, Interesting)
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Let's hope Israel employs it ASAP in self-defense...
They already try to induce abortions in heavily pregnant Palestinian women by keeping them in hot cars at checkpoints for several hours at a stretch.
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"hormone-blocking antibodies" (Score:1)
Short form: instant castration and spaying
Long form: Just have a mass-injection program to implement a dictator's "final solution."
Not sure how I feel about that... (Score:2)
> A new injection makes male and female mice infertile by tricking their muscles into producing hormone-blocking antibodies [...] control reproduction in feral animal populations [...] similar approach could one day spur the development of long-term birth control options for humans [...]
Not sure how I feel about that. Part of me is going hey cool, technology! Part of me is going, wait, didn't I see that movie in the 1970's? I seem to recall it didn't end well.
it's just a shot away (Score:2)
SG-1 Episode Foreshadowing... (Score:5, Funny)
"Aschen Vaccine Causes...causes...what does this word mean?"
"Sterility."
"Oh, shit...not again..."
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Except it's not the flip side because the only people the government can force to get vaccinated are soldiers. Forcing vaccines on people is not something that has been done, despite how many whiners there are in California.
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"... the only people the government can force to get vaccinated are soldiers."
Nonsense. Coercion by threat of consequences is exactly the same as force. Requiring injections for kids as a precondition of their enrollment in taxpayer funded public schools is coercing people to make decisions which they might not otherwise make. That "do what we say or there will be consequences" approach is a perfect example of the way government uses force against The People. The threat of having their kids banned from
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Seriously. We don't need government coercion, what we need are walls around our cities to keep the disease ridden, herd immunity breaking unvaccinated in the slums where they belong.
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A government can do bad things with any power, so you seem to be advocating anarchy.
Frank Herbert covered what could go terribly wrong (Score:5, Interesting)
The White Plague.
I am legend (Score:2)
From TFA: "engineered a piece of DNA that - when packaged inside inactive virus shells and injected..."
I swear the scientists said almost the exact same thing in the movie "I am Legend"... and it caused the zombie apocalypse.
Planned Parenthood (Score:5, Insightful)
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What I find appalling about the anti-PP rhetoric is that it's really post-natal eugenics, given the insistence on having babies and the typically concomitant lack of funding for social welfare.
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Its also interesting that they attack Margaret Sanger rather than the activities of the organization. Look, she was a eugenicist, so everything she was associated with is the evil!
For example, Planned Parenthood encourages family planning -- choosing when to have children rather than just having them happen. Are opponents concerned that some of their own might be convinced to have children when they are ready rather than as soon as they are in a relationship? Oh, the horrors!
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Or "When does a fetus turn human?" or "When does a human gain the right to life by being a parasite on another?".
Besides that, I am under no legal obligation whatsoever to donate any of my tissue for the benefit of another. The only legal compulsion (where it exists) is pregnancy. Pregnancy is several months of hormonal whipsawing which includes discomfort (sometimes extreme), sometimes severe pain (frequently when giving birth), and a certain amount of danger. It restricts a woman's ability to work a
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I'm also inclined to give Sanger's eugenics a sort-of-pass.
I think you don't have to swing a dead cat very far to find contemporary medical ethicists exploring some of the same issues Sanger was pretty gung-ho about. Like should a couple discover they both carry a gene which will result in a high probability of a child with birth defects have children? Such a child would likely impose a significant dollar costs, and since most people can't afford to self-fund such care, they will just be shifting those co
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Just in case (Score:2)
....Chernobyl tries to reclaim it's title.....
Dont need long term.... (Score:4, Interesting)
It's effortless to get the snip, then you don't have to worry if the doc does it right where it's non reversible. I.E. he snaps the vas, seals the ends then folds them back 1/2 an inch back on themselves and uses basically a surgical ziptie to hold them there. there is ZERO chance of the Vas reconnecting.
Real men get their Vas snipped. You do not "need" to have any more kids.
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Sure if your goal is to see Idiocracy come true. I think the world would be vastly superior if /.ers had 4+ kids.
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there is ZERO chance of the Vas reconnecting.
"Very rarely, tubes grow back together again and pregnancy may occur. This happens in about 1 out of 1,000 cases." [plannedparenthood.org]
Of course, that's probably a much lower failure rate than the injections discussed in TFA.
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You missed the important bit, the part about the goal being a reversible contraceptive. You can snipped after you've had all the kids you'll have.
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You do not "need" to have any more kids.
That being said, most kids grow up to vote so having more kids = supporting your way of life.
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Effortless? I spent some unpleasant time at the clinic (protip: you do not necessarily want a vasectomy surgeon with a sense of humor), and then some recovery time at home. There was a fair amount of pain involved. Not to mention that you had best be extremely sure you will never want to father a child again.
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"Children of Men" (Score:2)
You know, virus gets out, most of the world loses the ability to have children.
Come on, what could possibly go wrong?
Horizontal Gene Transfer (Score:2)
The real fun begins when some of that DNA gets picked up by an E. Coli.
Pigeons? (Score:1)
Yes, I am aware that pigeons are birds and therefor a different domain as mammals, and that there might be some differences in the biochemistry here, but I hope they work something out to get those flying rats under control.
Sounds frightful (Score:3)
Invoking autoimmune disorders sounds like a poor idea in pets, and a nightmare in humans. That's what this is. And that's before you get to the possibility that you could absolutely have a future organization that has the desire to eliminate human births, but doesn't have the will to kill humans (and also, that would get them stopped faster), so they use a tech like this. The fact that it's being developed doesn't mean that will happen, but the fact that it's possible should be at least a bit scary.
"Children of Men" - The Prequel (Score:2)
Title Could Have Been (Score:1)
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This should be given to all welfare recipients and their dependents. Immediately.
I could not disagree more. Just because someone is down on their luck now does not mean they won't get back up. BTW, I agree that people should make babies unless they are able to provide for them (but I don't trust any organization to determine eligibility).
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That is not how evolution work. If one can breed lots of babies and make them someone else problem that is the trait that will be selected.
The only solution is to not care about someone else children. And if they can't feed them, then they should die from starvation. Feeding the poor is just bad as 'determine eligibility'. Let nature determine eligibility.
If you are too soft to let stranger's children die then accept welfare recipient sterilisation. It is, after all, the humane thing to do. Personally I thi
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That is not how evolution work. If one can breed lots of babies and make them someone else problem that is the trait that will be selected.
That is not how evolution works. Any time an individual breeds, their genes are propagated to the next generation, but that does not exclude other individuals with conflicting genes from also contributing to the gene pool. As an example, take a look at hair color. Obviously different people have different preferences as to their mate's hair color. Since it is not only blondes who procreate, other hair colors will remain in the gene pool. Furthermore, the trait you are addressing (having a knack of making on
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I've for sterilizing them. If they work hard and are successful, let them do in-vitro.
Do you know how in-vitro works? In vitro just means that they combine eggs and sperm in a petridish then implant the fertilized eggs into the uterus. This sterilization vaccine causes men to no longer produce viable sperm. The only way to reproduce would involve cloning or direct gene splicing.
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People who suggest forced stelization should be sterilized. Oh wait...
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Oops, I made a typo (but I hope people recognize what I wanted to say). It happens when your brain is faster than your hands.
This should be given to all welfare recipients and their dependents. Immediately.
I could not disagree more. Just because someone is down on their luck now does not mean they won't get back up. BTW, I agree that people should NOT make babies unless they are able to provide for them (but I don't trust any organization to determine eligibility).