New Blood-Cleansing Device Removes Pathogens, Toxins From Blood 60
jan_jes writes: A team of scientists at the Wyss Institute last year described the development of a device to treat sepsis that works by mimicking the human spleen. The device cleanses pathogens and toxins from blood flowing through a dialysis-like circuit. Now the team has developed an improved device that works with conventional antibiotic therapies and is better positioned for near-term use in clinics. The improved design will be described in the October issue of Biomaterials. This approach can be administered quickly, even without identifying the infectious agent.
Do You Have Any Idea What This Means?! (Score:2, Funny)
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If it's cheap enough I can see a wave of hangover clinics opening in college towns across the country. Shoudln't need more than a single on site doctor and some nurses to staff it.
Offer a monday morning special. Filter out the bad stuff and infuse some caffeine at the same time. A saline bag with 300mg of caffeine is probably about as expensive as a cup of starbucks anyway.
Re:Do You Have Any Idea What This Means?! (Score:5, Interesting)
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How are you going to know that? I have a patient here, with septic shock. My patient dies. I announce the patient was the last who will ever die of septic shock. What is there to prevent another patient from dieing of septic shock the next day in Ulan Bataar?
If it were a recordable disease (like TB, some STIs, typhoid, and not many others I can think of off the top of my head), then you might
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Not to mention bullet wounds.
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Suck on some oxygen from a tank and it'll go away.
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Longevity breakthrough? (Score:2)
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Most of this bad crap sits in your fatty tissue. Have you seen what happens to fat person when they attempt fasting? It's ugly! They have to be really careful because the amount of toxins that gets released while fasting can get dangerously high.
Re:Longevity breakthrough? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Hey, if you value keeping the average human lifespan down feel free to do your part with your own!
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There was a science fiction story I read once (I've since forgotten the title) where the main character was being pursued because he seemed to have found a way to reverse aging. He didn't know what the secret was, though, and had to figure it out while evading his pursuers. The secret wound up being a "teleporter" that just removed all the "built up junk" in his cells. Once said junk was teleported out, the body began to act as though it were younger.
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I know the story, actually a very good one. But don't have the title in my mind or the book at hand, will check later at home.
There where two types of immortality. One was the teleportation thing the other one was a "gene therapy" done to kids who where then stuck in 12 - 14 year old bodies.
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I know the story, actually a very good one. But don't have the title in my mind or the book at hand, will check later at home.
There where two types of immortality. One was the teleportation thing the other one was a "gene therapy" done to kids who where then stuck in 12 - 14 year old bodies.
I'm pretty sure you're talking about the Ringworld series, especially the later books.
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No, has nothing to do with the ring world.
It is a single astronaut who comes back to earth after a very long time and finds the earth basically freed from humans.
All the big animals like Elephants are shrinked to the size of small horses, the planet is very hot. He finds depopulated empty high tech cities.
There he finds the special "teleporter" that cleans him from defects and prolongues his life. This is called "Dicta Immortality" as only the former "Dictators" had that form and it is believed/implied the
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Larry Niven: A World Out of Time
A guy woke up from cryogenic sleep in a new body. Nope, it is not a Utopia; things are worse than every. But they need pilots for interstellar voyages and regular citizens don't want to go. He passes the tests and goes on a _long_ trip into the future.
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Not only that, from what I understand, Metastatic cancer cells travel via blood. If this could grab those, that'd be awesome. So many cancer stories seem to involve killing the main site of the disease only to have it reoccur a few months or years later somewhere else, this time metastatic and basically incurable.
Start this treatment up right after diagnosis, and continue it through the normal cancer treatment. If this device could be used to detect metastatic cancer cells in the blood, even better (but
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Magnetic beads? (Score:2)
According to the article, this device is supposed to use 'magnetic beads' to remove toxins; it is very light on actual detail, and judging on what is in the article, it sounds bogus to me. Magnetism works on magnetic materials - organic molecules like toxins are not likely to be magnetic, so how it that supposed to work? It reminds me of the bizarre superstition that claims that you can somehow clean or soften your household water with a magnet; that doesn't work either - if it was that simple, it would be
Re:Magnetic beads? (Score:4, Informative)
The details are all in the article. The first version of their machine used magnetic beads coated with an engineered protein that sticks to cellular debris. The beads were magnetic so they could easily dump them in a blood reservoir and then pull them out and clean them off. Their newer version runs the blood through hollow fibres coated with the same protein.
Re:Magnetic beads? (Score:4, Informative)
cellular debris
Just a minor correction, FTA:
"This is because it uses the Wyss Institute’s proprietary, pathogen-capturing agent, FcMBL, which binds all types of live and dead infectious microbes, including bacteria, fungi, viruses, and the toxins they release. FcMBL is a genetically engineered blood protein inspired by a naturally occurring human molecule called mannose-binding lectin (MBL), which is found in the innate immune system and binds to toxic invaders, marking them for capture by immune cells in the spleen." (my emphasis)
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So this is just an improvement of the innate immune system: something that can spare odd stuff but is unable to learn about new threats?
They could coat their beads with engineered antibodies to improve further. Is there anything that prevents that?
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I found the following description of the exact mechanism of sepsis very informative:
https://www.atrainceu.com/cour... [atrainceu.com]
The most interesting bits:
"When working properly, the innate immune mechanisms are rapidly mobilized in the region of a new infection. At the height of the response, invading microbes are overwhelmed, deactivated, and destroyed. Next, local debris is removed; the pro-inflammatory molecules, the activated complement, and the activated clotting factors are neutralized; and the production of new
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Read about "para" and "dia" magnetism.
Every material is magnetic when the field is strong enough ... you should have learned that in school
can somehow clean or soften your household water with a magnet
Facepalm, ofc you can. All stuff in the water is dissolved as ions, which are poor victims of the lorenz force if they travel through a magnetic field. So, yes, you can clean water with magnets, it is just not economical feasible. This too you shuld have learned in school.
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An in particular, the usual "wonder" devices wrap some coils around a rather thick-walled pipe for zero magnetic effect in the water.
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I did not say that the wonder devices work.
I said that all stuff in the water is dissolved and hence consists of ions, charged particles, and hence they can be influenced with magnetic fields.
If you really would want to clean water that way, it would work, but a machine would be complicated and use lots of energy.
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I did understand you. In particular I did understand "not economical feasible". I was just amplifying on that.
Will this reduce the stress from dialysis? (Score:1)
I know many people with severe problems that need dialysis can't make it through a treatment. Will this help with that?
Its still amazing what they have done and if it works it will save a lot of lives but TFA did not mention the stress to the patient.
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No worries--GNC has some phenomenal superfood shakes for cleansing bullshit radars.
Re:Toxins (Score:5, Insightful)
When I see the word Toxins, my bullshit radar activates
I am a physician and yes, my BS meter usually goes up when people who have no understanding of human anatomy, physiology, histology, biochemistry, or pathology start rambling on about toxins. But take it from person who deals with sepsis and critical ill patients on a weekly basis. Bacterial endotoxins [wikipedia.org] are the real deal. There are a significant source of morbidity and mortality in severely ill patients. Also, please realize that this research is in collaboration with Boston Children's Hospital [sciencedirect.com] and Harvard's Engineering department. [nih.gov]
That being said, I pulled the original article and on first read, it seems to be a potential game-changer. My questions:
1. They liken this to dialysis. Many critically ill patients can not tolerate dialysis due to fluid shifts across the membrane....What sorts of flow are required scaled up to humans would be required. Could this be run on a CRRT-HF [wikipedia.org] type circuit or a SLED [nih.gov] schedule?
2. They use FcMBL adsorbed to dialysis tubing. I only see animal studies. What, if any, interaction does this with human proteins and cell lines. e.g. if it causes hemolysis [wikipedia.org] or Agglutination [wikipedia.org], this would destroy the utility.
3. What is the observed length of endotoxin/pathogen clearance? Ties back into #1.
4. I presume this is Fc based (the only description I saw was "FcMBL protein was expressed and purified from a stable transfection of CHO-DG44 cells "), is this Fc, human, murine, equine, porcine, leporine, or bovine?
More questions will come up...but I have a lecture to prepare...
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Cytosorbents and Aethlon appear to be playing in the same space.
How does it work on carpet? (Score:4, Funny)
How well does this blood cleansing device work on carpet? Say, an area of about 10'x12'? Just asking out of curiosity.
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Hans? Is that you, Mr. Reiser?
Optimistic, but doubtful (Score:2)
A Million Live Here Or There (Score:2)
snake bits and spider bytes (Score:1)
I wonder if this might work with pathogens such as snake bites and spider bites.
Cytosorbents (CTSO) and AEMD already did this (Score:3, Informative)
Both companies are attempting to commercialize their technologies and gain approvals in various countries. Cytosorbents has been steadily gaining approvals in the EU and other places worldwide. CTSO hopes to initially crack the US market through a trial using their filter as a part of cardiac surgery. AEMD is pursuing an FDA trial with their filter.
The two-hundred-billion-dollar question is whether their devices will broadly improve patient outcomes: they obviously filter out bad stuff from blood, but the real question is whether that is broadly effective in critical care situations.
I'm not a shill for either company, but I have significant investment gains in both. I'm constantly trying to assess how defensible each company's patent portfolio is, and whether the tech will improve general patent outcomes as much is suggested by a number of preliminary studies. I'd be interested in hearing other informed perspectives, especially from people doing research in this area.
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They did related things (and probably very useful) but it's not the same. TFA is about a filter that removes the actual pathogens from the blood.
allergies (Score:2)
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You don't want to remove cholesterol from your bloodstream. It is a vital substance to many metabolic pathways and a critical component to essential hormones. It is an essential component to your cell walls (without it you could not have a different chemistry inside and outside the cell.) If you applied this device to lower your cholesterol your liver would just produce more.
People have been trained to think of cholesterol as a dangerous poison. For better information go here. [cholestero...health.com]