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Dawn Spacecraft Gets a Better Look At Ceres' Bizarre 'White Spots' 78

StartsWithABang writes: Since its discovery as the first asteroid more than 200 years ago, Ceres has been one of the most poorly understood objects in the Solar System as even imagery from the Hubble Space Telescope is unable to resolve very much. But NASA's Dawn mission, since moving on from Vesta, has begun to map Ceres, constructing the highest resolution global map ever, with better data to come. The greatest mystery so far are two bright white spots at the bottom of a deep crater, brighter and more reflective than anything else on the planet's surface. Right now, three leading possibilities for the origin of these features exist, with Dawn possessing the capabilities to teach us which one (if any) is correct, hopefully by the end of the year!
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Dawn Spacecraft Gets a Better Look At Ceres' Bizarre 'White Spots'

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  • I suppose that counts as option 3...

    • Don't solar panels specifically not reflect light? It's obviously an alien hotspring spa destination.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      I vote for gigantic abandoned construct (ship, habitat, etc) that has been covered by millions of years of debris from the asteroid belt and an impact blasted away the rubble making part of it visible. Ah, at least one can hope.

    • by Nyder ( 754090 )

      I suppose that counts as option 3...

      It's a dwarf planet, everyone knows that rubbing a dwarf's head bring luck. Well, sucking a dwarf's cock brings even better luck, and well, that is what you get after a planet spits it back on the dwarf.

      Just sayin....

    • Its a texture glitch, i am sure it will be patched in due time.
  • by koan ( 80826 )

    They all seem to appear right where you would expect stress fractures to be on a body shaped like this.

    • by kolbe ( 320366 )

      In several spots along the equatorial region it looks to have some open lava tubes that reinforce the idea of a molten core and active volcanos.

    • LOL ... you mean 'round'?

      • by koan ( 80826 )

        Appears as more of a flattened ball, disk shaped or is that photo distortion? I guess that's still "round".

  • Nothing natural can do that on that scale. Wonder what it's trying to tell us?

    • by Maritz ( 1829006 )
      It's saying "Brian, get the fuck out of the bathroom what in fucks name are you at in there anyway."
  • by itzly ( 3699663 )

    I'm not an expert, but if it were ice, wouldn't you expect to see it in a crater on the pole where it is permanently in the shadow, rather than on the equator ?

    • The solar irradiance at Ceres is about 150 W/m2...1/9th that of earth. It is cold out there in the asteroid belt in comparison to the moon or Mercury where surface ice is exposed only in polar permanent shadow. As reference the moons of Jupiter have no trouble maintaining a coat of ice.
      My guess is that the surface of Ceres is like a charred marshmallow; organic long chain hydrocarbon on top forming a dark crust that protects a frozen interior of H20/CO2/Methane and ammonia. The white spot is a rupture out o

      • Interesting question. The explanation for ice skates I was taught as a kid (weight of skater forces surface of ice to melt, making it slippery) appears to be discredited. Still, I'd expect any loosely-bonded water molecules between skates and the ice would boil away instantly in near vacuum. Has anybody ever tried skating at very high altitude?
  • Aliens!!!! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by EmperorOfCanada ( 1332175 ) on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @11:21AM (#49682575)
    For the love of all science fiction be aliens!!! How many Sci-fi stories have we all read where an asteroid/comet/artefact is floating around our Solar system and it turns out to be some uber cool alien thing that has warp drive or a stargate or whatever and off we go adventuring around the galaxy?

    In fact I could even narrow the question down to how many sci-fi stories have we all read where the artefact involved Ceres?

    So while if I had to bet I would go with ice, soil disturbance, tectonic, or maybe even something a little cool like magnetic. But I want aliens!
    • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )
      Clearly what happened was that Ceres is in fact an alien covert research facility diquised as an asteroid. The facility had some kind of accident (hopefully it was just wiped out by an engineered, weaponized diesease and not full of zombified aliens) centuries ago and sometime between then and now a large impact damaged the coating all the way down to the metal wall of the facility itself. And of course, due to the inhabitiants at this point being nothing but dessicated (or animated!) corpses the damage t
      • by Maritz ( 1829006 )
        Richard Hoagland, is that you? heheh... I'm afraid to even look up what he thinks (well I know what he thinks, it's another NASA cover up :)
    • I've often wondered if we are the first species to achieve intelligence on Earth.

      Bonobos are pretty smart, and a rough estimate might put them about 5 million years behind us on the evolutionary scale.

      Taking that as a rough guide (no more rough than the Drake equation), suppose humans decided to leave the planet, and suppose Bonobos evolved to our level of technology. Would they find evidence of us?

      Five million years is a pretty long time: everything on the surface would be eroded away, the seafloor would g

      • Re:Earthlings? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by itzly ( 3699663 ) on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @12:23PM (#49683189)

        Bonobos are pretty smart, and a rough estimate might put them about 5 million years behind us on the evolutionary scale.

        They are not behind, they are right next to us on another path, and we have no way of telling where they'll go.

      • by itzly ( 3699663 )

        Five million years is a pretty long time: everything on the surface would be eroded away, the seafloor would get covered in quite a bit of muck, any underground bunker would collapse. Overall I don't think there's be any reason for them to suspect that we were once here.

        We have fossils from hundreds of millions years old, and they were made from fragile, organic, materials. If we leave enough stuff around, some of it will survive at least equally long.

      • suppose humans decided to leave the planet

        Some humans, sure. But as long as the planet remains habitable, ALL humans leaving seems rather improbable. Human populations tend to expand to cover all available ground, not move as a single herd from A to B.

      • Re:Earthlings? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by swb ( 14022 ) on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @01:59PM (#49684271)

        Bonobos just figured out that civilization is a lot of extra work to go through for fucking and eating. Especially when you can just fuck and eat without it.

      • Overall I don't think there's be any reason for them to suspect that we were once here.

        True but possibly because they may never make the leap now that all the easy fuel is used up. Wasn't there a story on here a few days ago about how difficult it would be to restart industry after a civilization collapse because there would be no infrastructure that can drill 10000ft underwater, etc? It took a lot more than 5M years under very different surface conditions for all that oil and coal to collect. The fact that we've burned as much fossil fuel as we did makes me think that there hasn't been a pri

      • One pet theory that I always loved (and finally found in a sci-fi book) is to wonder how far dinosaur civilization would have to have gotten before we would have already found incontrovertible evidence?

        I suspect that Neanderthal level would simply have left little trace with any findings being self-supressed by the palaeontologist.

        Even North American Indian culture of 500 years ago would still be largely invisible after 65 million years again with the aid of people dismissing the few oddities they found
      • by meglon ( 1001833 )

        Would they find evidence of us?

        Five million years is a pretty long time: everything on the surface would be eroded away, the seafloor would get covered in quite a bit of muck, any underground bunker would collapse. Overall I don't think there's be any reason for them to suspect that we were once here.

        Have you never heard of Twinkies?

      • "...suppose that some *other* species evolved into intelligence more than 5 million years ago and left. Would we see any evidence?"

        Yes. Assuming they didn't try to hide their traces. If I remember right, full surface recycling takes more than 200M years.

    • This. I fully agree, it would be a welcome twist in our history. I initially thought it was ice, but according to the information so far is something that is in the same place for too long to be ice (sublimation, sun hitting, etc). Then it is more likely to be another highly reflective material (and note that he appears to created the crater) , so I thought what kind of natural materials would be so reflective that way. It seems to me almost pure or polished metal, would be one of NASA discarded rocket stag
    • If it is aliens would they tell us? Or like most stories would there be a coverup?

      • I am going with coverup. Information is power and they would feel so special being in the know of something so momentous when everyone else is in the dark. Even if a few came out and leaked it unless they had a massive massive data dump they would just end up a crank on the History channel. Look at that former Minster of Defence we have in Canada. He is all "blah blah ALIENS blah blah ALIENS!!!" yet outside of crank TV he is ignored.

        But for many they would suppress it for all kinds of paternalistic/relig
  • by See Attached ( 1269764 ) on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @11:51AM (#49682877)
    There is always a soft spot under one of the black round circles on a coconut.. its where the straw goes! Perhaps this is where we are supposed tap into the interstellar fuel source!
  • Large, shiny reflective surfaces... it's a pair of Monoliths.

                            mark "would like to go there to investigate them...."

  • by sexconker ( 1179573 ) on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @11:58AM (#49682967)

    No need to click - the "three leading possibilities" are exactly what you guessed:
      - Ice
      - Dry Ice
      - Different rocks that have a different albedo

    If you only guessed "ice" and "different rocks" you still get full credit.

  • If this is water ice, we need to send a rover to Ceres. This may end up being a better place to land astronauts than Mars.
    • by itzly ( 3699663 )

      Why would it be a better place ? It's further away, colder, and there's less gravity.

      • Because it's further away, colder and there's less gravity. Ceres formed past the solar system's frost line. More volatile gases are frozen there than Mars. Things like water, methane, ammonia. We can use methane as fuel, drink water, and brake down water and ammonia to make air from the Nitrogen and Oxygen. That way, we also make Hydrogen for fuel. We may even find carbon dioxide to make hydrocarbons. Much easier to extract than they would be on Mars.
  • Enough Helium 3 to make me very very very rich... and yeah power the entire earth for a million years.
  • Spaceballs spitballs.

    Barf and Lonestar where messing around doing some target practice with the Spitball cannon... Don't worry, Mega-Maid will clean it up eventually.

  • Don't they have something similar to a spectrograph to determine chemical signature of selected targets? I thought such was standard equipment on such probes. Perhaps they are not yet close enough to Ceres to get useful data from it.

    spectrograph overview: http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/p... [rit.edu]

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