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America's Methane Mystery: NASA Set To Investigate Hotspot Over the 4 Corners 111

schwit writes A "hot spot" of the largest concentration of methane seen over the United States is in the area near the Four Corners intersection of Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Utah and covers 2,500 square miles. The hotspot predates widespread fracking in the area. Researchers from several institutions are now in the Four Corners region of the U.S. Southwest with a suite of airborne and ground-based instruments, aiming to uncover reasons for a mysterious methane "hot spot" detected from space. "With all the ground-based and airborne resources that the different groups are bringing to the region, we have the unique chance to unequivocally solve the Four Corners mystery," said Christian Frankenberg, a scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California, who is heading NASA's part of the effort.
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America's Methane Mystery: NASA Set To Investigate Hotspot Over the 4 Corners

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  • Sorry (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:15PM (#49443253)

    I can't help myself. I've had this overwhelming desire to fart in four states for decades now. It's even worse now with the munchies.

    • I am sure it is no coincidence that the Four Corners area is at the heart of the methane clod and simultaneously the heart of pinto bean country. In fact, I'll bet that after all their research is concluded that they will find their methane cloud centered around Dove Creek Colorado which is the capitol of pinto bean country in the U.S.
      • by Anonymous Coward

        actually it was a herd of cattle being brought south, so it was about 1 million cow farts over three days. sorry about that, my bad, I will notify nasa beforehand next time

      • Wait, I don't mean to troll. But don't all the UFO's get reported around that area??

    • by syn3rg ( 530741 )
      CowboyNeal, is that you?
  • Residual from atomic fart in Beavis and Butthead Do America?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOS5gWzkXMA [youtube.com]

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Yea, the rodents shall cry out for mercy, but they shall find none. For today is snake-feeding day. My corn snake shall be satiated. Yes, my pretty, soon you dine on raw FLESH!

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Obviously nothing to do with oil extract.

    • Now, they're coming with vehicules to investigate it, so they're gonna make even more pollution in the area. And then, this guy takes his cigarette, cracks his match and BBBOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM!

      No more methane to investigate.
  • No mystery at all (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Ralph Siegler ( 3506871 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:24PM (#49443307)
    Coal bed methane, that is in the cracks and pores of coals, is old, old and well known thing. That's why the "canary in the coal mine", why miners die in explosions, etc. *yawn*
    • Re:No mystery at all (Score:5, Informative)

      by Layzej ( 1976930 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:32PM (#49443337)

      Coal bed methane, that is in the cracks and pores of coals, is old, old and well known thing.

      Yeah. It's even mentioned in TFA:

      This indicates the methane emissions should not be attributed to fracking but instead to leaks in natural gas production and processing equipment in New Mexico's San Juan Basin, which is the most active coalbed methane production area in the country.

      'The results are indicative that emissions from established fossil fuel harvesting techniques are greater than inventoried,' Kort said.

      • I shouldn't have had that second helping of beans at that little diner in Arizona...
      • by Anonymous Coward

        the fruitland coal seem, the zone that area produces the most natural gas from, reaches the surface in the area where nasa is investigating. there is no mystery, the methane hotspot is not due to leaky process equipment. its all due to geology

        • Then why did it just develop? If it's just geology, it should have been there since the Aztecs.
        • by Layzej ( 1976930 )
          According to TFA: Likely candidates include venting from oil and gas activities, which are primarily coalbed methane exploration and extraction in this region; active coal mines; and natural gas seeps... The Four Corners coal-fired power plant, near Farmington, is one of the targets Nasa wants to investigate as a possible cause of the methane
      • I wonder if there's any way to keep this methane from escaping? Even if it could be collected and flared off it would be a big improvement over letting it escape into the atmosphere.

    • by tomhath ( 637240 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:39PM (#49443377)
      What you say is true. But the mystery is why this location has so much more methane than other coal regions. It could be that there's just much more gas escaping from the coal fields than anywhere else; we'll see.
    • by quenda ( 644621 )

      That's why the "canary in the coal mine",

      Canaries were for carbon monoxide, actually.

      • Re:No mystery at all (Score:4, Informative)

        by Ralph Siegler ( 3506871 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @10:31PM (#49444057)
        look it up, they were for both methane and CO detection. They were used in UK until 1987!
    • They are studying an old phenomenon, methane has been escaping from natural fractures in this area for years, see this interesting article on the Moving Mountain in the July 1933 Popular Mechanics, page 29. https://books.google.com/books... [google.com] mountain durango&f=false
  • of tex-mex food.

    • Considering its location relative to Florida, I'd say tex-mex is a perfectly valid reason for methane coming out of that hole.

      • We don't serve Tex-Mex in New Mexico. That is a COMPLETELY different style of food that New Mexicans disdain as garbage. Come try the chile, I promise a good helping of proper Green or Red Chile will make you understand that it's not Tex-Mex!

        Now as far as the methane, the air quality in the area has been terrible forever. I grew up in Farmington and the asthma/allergy issues I believe are higher there than on average elsewhere. Growing up there were 3 major power plants in the area, with the coal mine feedi

  • Why the bad rap? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Deadstick ( 535032 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:40PM (#49443379)

    Methane is neither the principal part of a fart nor the smelly part. It's odorless. In fact, it's one of three odorless gases which make up roughly 98% of flatulence, with nitrogen and CO2.

    The other 2% is a widely varied mix of esters, sulfides and ketones that depends on what you eat, and that's what provides the inimitable social character.

    The "natural gas" that your stove burns is methane, and your gas company deliberately adds a stinky substance to it so you'll know when you have a leak.

    • by Michael Woodhams ( 112247 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:59PM (#49443465) Journal

      Because methane is a very potent greenhouse gas.

      I'm not sure why you bring flatulence into the discussion at all.

      Besides, there is a scientific mystery, so scientists want to solve it, independently of how good methane's rap is.

      • by itzly ( 3699663 )

        Because methane is a very potent greenhouse gas.

        While that is true, the amount that is released by this hotspot is still small on a global scale, about 0.6 million tons per year on a total of about 600 million tons of methane, so this investigation is mostly a matter of scientific curiosity.

        • by jfengel ( 409917 )

          True, though it could well impact the estimates of methane emissions worldwide. If there's some unexpected source of methane, there may be more. Or it may indicate that if some sources are producing more then others are producing less, or that that methane atmospheric lifetime is different than we thought.

          So it's scientific curiosity, but it may well end up having an impact on our understanding of climate change due to greenhouse gases, beyond the immediate production at this site.

      • I think the half life is somewhere around the 10 years mark compared to something like 200 years or more for CO2. So methane isn't really as big a climate issue on a long term scale as some people make out.

        • by jbengt ( 874751 )
          Half life from the main atmospheric process is about 10 years, but some of that carbon in CH4 eventually becomes carbon in CO2. (Considering all sinks, the half life is about 8-1/2 years, according to wikipedia.)
    • Methane is neither the principal part of a fart nor the smelly part.

      Methane is known as a powerful greenhouse gas. Thus, it's generally assumed that releasing it into the atmosphere contributes to global warming, and all the negative effects that go with it.

      So when someone farts, it's considered "socially undesirable" not because it smells, but because it's bad for the planet. Got it?

      Now you may ask: why do people make such a big deal out of it when someone farts in an elevator, but not when it happens in the open air? Ultimately the methane makes it into the

      • Methane is known as a powerful greenhouse gas. Thus, it's generally assumed that releasing it into the atmosphere contributes to global warming, and all the negative effects that go with it.

        And all the positive effects, like warmer temperatures and higher precipitations!

    • Oh, go blow it out your ass!
    • I'm scared to ask but... How did you get to be such an expert on fart gas?

      And while you are at it, could you pass the refried beans?
    • Way to suck the fun out of a fart.
  • hey, the radar image was red, really.
  • Very popular in that region.
  • by flopsquad ( 3518045 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:51PM (#49443429)
    I mean, yes haha, fart fart fart toot toot toot.

    But once we're all done laughing, I think we should take a sober look at the real scientific explanation: the Four Corners is host to a phenomenon known as Intermittent Fulminating Atmospheric Rancidity Tempest - Extended Duration.
  • by TechyImmigrant ( 175943 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:54PM (#49443443) Homepage Journal

    May I suggest cows, being fed corn in place of their natural cellulose diet?

  • Caused by four states meeting together at one point.

  • The Navajo Dam changed the deep aquifer in the area displacing gas out though the rocks to the west intersected by the Animas River Gorge.

    d@3-e.net

  • They're filming a sequel to The Arrival and are trying to method act it.

  • Simple maybe? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Go look at California... drought. What are the symptoms of drought? No water/low-water ... Perhaps this area in four corners has been losing water in it's aquifer and surface water for decades and has now reached a point where the gas isn't being dispersed by run off, and is coming directly from the coalbeds. Perhaps it's a sign that there's something "wrong" (in the geographic sense) with the area that may be dangerous if disturbed.

    Captcha: Stench

  • No Uranus jokes? I'm shocked! Dice must have done something I betcha!

  • It's all (insert ideology you disagree with here) fault!!! I'll start It's all global warming/global cooling/democrats/republicans/liberals/conservatives/evolutionists/creationists/fracking fault!!! They all did it the dirty rotten SOBs....Did I miss anyone?

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