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Thousand-Year-Old Eye Salve Kills MRSA 124

An anonymous reader writes: Scientists at the University of Nottingham used a recipe from an ancient medical text to successfully kill golden staph bacteria, also known as MRSA, the superbug commonly found in hospitals. Bald's Leechbook calls for leeks, garlic, brass, wine and other ingredients to create an eye salve for curing an infected eyelash. The salve has been found to be effective in killing the MRSA at least as well any modern remedy.
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Thousand-Year-Old Eye Salve Kills MRSA

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  • by captnjohnny1618 ( 3954863 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @05:40PM (#49382149)
    "You won't believe what this weird thousand year old trick can do!..."
    • by Anonymous Coward

      It works "at least as well as any modern remedy."

      And since modern remedies can't kill superbugs, we must assume this one can't either.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        "You won't believe what happens when an ignorant guy reads this useful information!"

        Both CA-MRSA and HA-MRSA are resistant to traditional anti-staphylococcal beta-lactam antibiotics, such as cephalexin. CA-MRSA has a greater spectrum of antimicrobial susceptibility, including to sulfa drugs (like co-trimoxazole/trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole), tetracyclines (like doxycycline and minocycline) and clindamycin (for osteomyelitis), but the drug of choice for treating CA-MRSA is now believed to be vancomycin, acc

      • by Baloroth ( 2370816 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @06:25PM (#49382459)

        Killing MRSA is easy. Trivial, even. You can do it with steam, alcohol, or dozens of other disinfecting agents. The key is to be able to kill it inside an infected individual, without also killing the host (or damaging a significant amount of the host's tissues). That's why we use antibiotics in the first place. While it wasn't entirely clear from skimming TFA, it very much sounds like this is (currently, at least) only a topical treatment (i.e. it's applied to the skin). It might be superior to other modern topical treatments in some cases, but I personally doubt it.

        • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

          The trick is in DNA itself. Whilst it might seem huge and whole lot can be done, it can not do everything and every time it changes to succeed in one area it must expose a weakness in another area (only so much DNA available to carry the genetic program of on and offs and more importantly the follow up 'how turned up the DNA switch is' buried in the so called junk DNA). So that salve being a very complex arrangement of many simultaneous anti-biotic attacks, is affective because whilst many elements of it f

          • So modern medicine should go back to the more complex approaches that alternative healthcare has developed over dozens of hundreds of years?

            That makes sense.

            But none of it is patentable, so fat chance that anyone is going to be funded for the oh-so-necessary clinical trials.

        • by t_ban ( 875088 )

          Killing MRSA is easy. Trivial, even. You can do it with steam, alcohol, or dozens of other disinfecting agents.

          Any info about the prophylactic dosage there?

          • by f3rret ( 1776822 )

            Killing MRSA is easy. Trivial, even. You can do it with steam, alcohol, or dozens of other disinfecting agents.

            Any info about the prophylactic dosage there?

            Three or four liters of rubbing alcohol delivered through epidural injection should do the trick, although you might want to hook up a continuous drip through a central line to make absolutely sure.

          • I would recommend against using alcohol in your prophylactic.
      • Actually modern medicine can kill superbugs.
        However the 4 to 6 standard antibiotics don't work against them anymore.
        Your idea that an ancient rediscovered 'medical' "cam not work" either only shows you have no clue, but thanx for the opinion :)

    • I'll show you a thousand year old trick. First, let me put on my robe and wizard hat...
    • "You won't believe what this weird thousand year old trick can do!..."

      Good, you have "weird". Now you need to work in "shocked" or "shocking". Extra points for "kills (some condition)".

      • by Lumpy ( 12016 )

        And speechless with the jaw dropping. Cant forget those!

      • "You won't believe what this weird thousand year old trick can do!..."

        Good, you have "weird". Now you need to work in "shocked" or "shocking". Extra points for "kills (some condition)".

        Don't forget that "A housewife in Pennsylvania" in that mix.

        • by tsa ( 15680 )

          And of course: "Doctors are baffled," which is even true in this case.

  • Really - should I quit even coming here for news? I haven't seen one item this week that wasn't on reddit for a day or more.

    • by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @09:06PM (#49383291)

      Really - should I quit even coming here for news? I haven't seen one item this week that wasn't on reddit for a day or more.

      We took a poll, and everyone wanted you to stop coming here, and stay on reddit. Thanks for the fish.

  • A couple of pretty toxic ingredients there. I suppose as a topical remedy you could use it. But saying it's as effective as any modern remedy sounds like a bit of a stretch.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Go read up on the likely and common side effects of:

      1) Vancomycin - fucks up your kidneys at levels above 10 micrograms/mL (.1 grams / liter)
      2) Untreated MRSA - fucks you up, as in dead.
      3) Copper - 2 mg/Liter is considered the "safe" level in your drinking water.

      So yeah, copper CAN fuck you up... but so can vancomycin, and vancomycin does so at much lower concentrations.

      As far as the other ingredients - leeks, garlic and wine may make your breath a little potent for a while, but people eat that shit dail

      • by tomhath ( 637240 )

        Doctors know how to prescribe Vancomycin and other broad spectrum antibiotics without killing their patients Einstein.

        Untreated MRSA infections on the skin are common and easily treated; probably 10% of the people in this country have MRSA colonized in their sinuses. Bloodstream infections cause problems, septic shock does kill, Einstein.

        See other comments pointing out how wrong you are about copper, Einstein.

    • A couple of pretty toxic ingredients there. I suppose as a topical remedy you could use it. But saying it's as effective as any modern remedy sounds like a bit of a stretch.

      Considering the MRSA is resistant to modern antibiotics I would assume pretty much anything is as effective as any modern medicine on it. Hell homeopathics might work as well.

  • Obligatory xkcd (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Rei ( 128717 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @05:59PM (#49382307) Homepage

    Link [xkcd.com]

    • Related to that link, a quote from the article:

      Some of the ingredients, such as copper from the brass vessel, kill bacteria grown in a dish – but it was unknown if they would work on a real infection or how they would combine.

      So they were trying to take it a step beyond 'killing bacteria grown in a dish.' They used it on mice skin (still not a human trial, of course).

      Funny quote from the article:

      Sourcing authentic ingredients was a major challenge, says Harrison. They had to hope for the best with the leeks and garlic because modern crop varieties are likely to be quite different to ancient ones – even those branded as heritage. For the wine they used an organic vintage from a historic English vineyard......Bullocks gall was easy, though, as cow's bile salts are sold as a supplement for people who have had their gall bladders removed.

    • by steveha ( 103154 )

      Link [xkcd.com]

      The point of that xkcd comic is that cancer drugs need to be safe as well as effective. A patient whose cancer cells are all dead is not better off if he is dead also.

      I read the recipe for the salve and it does not appear to be something that would kill a patient. In fact, you could eat the medicine and it wouldn't hurt you; it's onions or leeks, garlic, wine, bile salts, and some small amount of copper. According to TFA the lab where they tested this smelled like garlic and people thought they wer

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      NRA just added that "benefits" bullet point* to their brochure.

      * No pun intended

    • by mysidia ( 191772 )

      Is it just me.... or has Xkcd gotten a cartoon for everything [on Slashdot] now, much like the Simpsons have done everything?

  • Flamethrowers FTW (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @06:06PM (#49382347)

    Killing bugs is easy. It's not killing everything else in the vicinity that makes it hard.

    That's why antibiotics were invented in the first place.

  • In the ancient times not many people knew it and it was not over used like today's antibiotics are being over used. So if you over use it, may be new resistant strains might emerge.

    It is interesting one of the ingredients is cow bile. Definitely not something you would think of as an disinfectant. But, being from India, I know so many people who believe cow urine and cow dung has disinfecting properties. May be there is something to it. Cows digest tough vegetation. Their stomachs are full of bacteria that

  • MRSA != Golden Staph (Score:5, Informative)

    by GrahamCox ( 741991 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @06:30PM (#49382495) Homepage
    Staphylococcus Aureus, aka "Golden staph" is not exactly synonymous with MRSA. The MR part means 'Methicillin Resistant', which is a mutated form of SA that can't be killed with Methicillin, a common antibiotic. SA is extremely common - it's everywhere, all over your skin, right now. It's only dangerous if it starts to infect a wound and gets into the bloodstream. Most SA will still respond to antibiotics, only the MRSA strain won't. But this strain is still thankfully fairly rare, though it's a growing problem. One solution would be for everyone to stop taking antibiotics for minor ailments such as the common cold which it does nothing for, but adds a lot of unnecessary antibiotics to the environment, thus prompting common bacteria such as SA to evolve into the MRSA form. If we lose the benefit of antibiotics, it will be a disaster, and we can thank all the stupid people for that.
    • Additional information, from http://www.cdc.gov/mrsa/tracki... [cdc.gov] : Studies show that about one in three (33%) people carry staph in their nose, usually without any illness. Two in 100 people carry MRSA. There are not data showing the total number of people who get MRSA skin infections in the community. Additionally, it is particularly a problem in hospitals because of sick people that go through there and the number immunocompromised. As you pointed out, MRSA is actually very similar to Staph aureus. The m
    • by angel'o'sphere ( 80593 ) <angelo.schneider ... e ['oom' in gap]> on Wednesday April 01, 2015 @10:18AM (#49386473) Journal

      Well, in the rest of the world the M in MRSA does not stand for 'Methicillin' but for 'Multiple' as those bacteria are resistant against _multiple_ antibiotics.
      If they only would be resistant against Methicillin, the treatment would be easy, a joke actually.

  • leeks, garlic, brass, wine and other ingredients

    and it keeps vampires away

  • We can not have people getting treated with inexpensive ingredients from their kitchens. That would be so uncivilized! Lucky thing we stopped red rice yeast for lowering cholesterol. Phew!

    • by judoguy ( 534886 )
      Frighteningly close to the truth. An example of Big Pharma and a corrupt lawmaker [newswithviews.com] shows that the medical industry will try to regulate - charge for- anything that might work. For the sake of the children, of course.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    A nurse that I had the honor to know contracted mrsa from a patient. Modern antibiotics would knock it down, mrsa constantly reappeared. It spread to her brain and my wife and I held her hand, prayed, and even though she appeared "out of it" a tear ran down her cheek just before she passed. She heard us praying for her, thus the tear. If a 1000 year old homeopathic medicine helps fight mrsa, why would anyone be against it? For Susan Schakel Jenks, my Chritian Sister.

    • NOT homeopathic!! This is apothicary!

      Homeopathic-- Made of two root words. Homeo == Same, Pathos == causes illness.

      Homeopathy is a very strongly disproven notion from ancient days that if you consumed small quantities of a pathogen, your body would be strengthened against it.

      Apothicary is radically different. Apothicaries (western ones anyway) ammased remedies that were ancient even in the dark ages, because they had proven to be effective at treating illnesses, and some theories as to the mechanisms of t

      • Actually the part of homeopathy that is using the traditional homeo and phatos approach is working quite well, so is the part that is using healing plants ...

        Also you are very misinformed assuming that eastern apothecaries only use tiger penises, I really wonder if you could get one. In fact they use gallic, about which the article is, and ginseng, and other plants.

        Further you are misinformed about the tiger penises, a minour lapsus, though. They are not made of 100% meat. Like most mammals (humans one of t

    • by dave420 ( 699308 )
      I'd cry if people were holding my hand and praying. So fucking embarrassing, and achieves absolutely nothing but offering false hope. And has been pointed out, this is nothing to do with homeopathy. You're not really portraying the religious in the best light.
  • My brain first registers it as "leeches". I don't know why, but it goes back to Ultima Underworld 2, which was the first time I actually saw the word.

    Anyhow, it worked out very humorously this morning considering that the article is about ancient medicine.

  • Personally, I've seen a lot of this. "Retro" in medicine not only is hip, but it actually works. And often better than synthesized medicine.
    You have to know what you are doing though, which includes knowing what modern remedies acutally do and what they were originally built for.

    Example: I treaded my reflux with healing earth and baking soda (Natriumhydrogencarbonat (German term)). The regular doctor would've given me super expensive PPI and the effect probably wouldn't have been half as good. It took me ba

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