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Child Psychotherapist: Easy and Constant Access To the Internet Is Harming Kids 353

First time accepted submitter sharkbiter sends note that one of the UK's foremost psychotherapists has concerns that smartphones may be harmful to the mental health of children. "Julie Lynn Evans has been a child psychotherapist for 25 years, working in hospitals, schools and with families, and she says she has never been so busy. 'In the 1990s, I would have had one or two attempted suicides a year – mainly teenaged girls taking overdoses, the things that don't get reported. Now, I could have as many as four a month.'.... Issues such as cyber-bullying are, of course, nothing new, and schools now all strive to develop robust policies to tackle them, but Lynn Evans’ target is both more precise and more general. She is pointing a finger of accusation at the smartphones - “pocket rockets” as she calls them – which are now routinely in the hands of over 80 per cent of secondary school age children. Their arrival has been, she notes, a key change since 2010. 'It’s a simplistic view, but I think it is the ubiquity of broadband and smartphones that has changed the pace and the power and the drama of mental illness in young people.'”
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Child Psychotherapist: Easy and Constant Access To the Internet Is Harming Kids

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    has some very insightful things to say about children and social media: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq8ULEfvF78
    He has also written a very good book about child raising in general. I had good parents, but even so, I wish they'd had that book, or at least the insights in it, when I grew up.

    • by loufoque ( 1400831 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @08:37AM (#49319189)

      I watched your video, but I am still not convinced.
      He basically has two arguments: access to information just causes information overload and does not lead to development of a curious and critical self, and that kids with access to so much information changes the authority structure and social interactions so much that former techniques of raising children don't apply.

      The second problem is a non-problem, as society changes, the way to raise children must change as well. Relying on the fact that your children are ignorant is not a good approach to enforce your authority anyway.
      As to the first problem, it's just not true, as is evidenced in the talk itself. The speaker complains that kids can learn about sex on their own before their parents think they're ready. This is basically admitting they can inquire about things they don't know and make opinions by themselves instead of relying on someone else, which is pretty much the same thing as building their own curious and critical self.

      The only real problem with the information age is that you can't so easily indoctrinate your children to your own beliefs anymore, but that's arguably a good thing.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 23, 2015 @05:28AM (#49318453)

    In New Zealand, we haven't seen any change in the data for the last 20 years.

    In the States the rate has gone down
    In the UK , it has gone down.
    In Wales it has gone down.
    In Scotland it has gone down.
    In North Ireland it has gone up.

    TLDR: This person is full of shit.

    • by Maritz ( 1829006 )
      Yes but she's coming to the media and saying: "those phones, that everyone has, they're BAD and they're KILLING CHILDREN" - boom, they will love her, they will post her shit. It doesn't matter if it's true, it matters that it's a compelling narrative.
  • by Atheraal ( 710104 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @05:30AM (#49318461) Homepage
    She seems to blame a lot of external factors for the unruliness of today's youth. I wonder if it could really be that these kids are watching their parents' generation continue apathetically watching as the world goes down the shitter, Nah, couldn't possibly. They're the ones paying her top dollar to psychoanalyze their kids, after all.
    • by tommeke100 ( 755660 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @08:49AM (#49319265)
      As Socrates once said around 500 bc : "Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers."
      • And he blamed that dratted new technology, writing.

        • "... this discovery of yours will create forgetfulness in the learners' souls, because they will not use their memories; they will trust to the external written characters and not remember of themselves. The specific which you have discovered is an aid not to memory, but to reminiscence, and you give your disciples not truth, but only the semblance of truth; they will be hearers of many things and will have learned nothing; they will appear to be omniscient and will generally know nothing; they will be tire
      • That's a common misattribution [wikiquote.org]. As that link notes, however, it is aa paraphrasing of a comedic play from 400 BC in which Socrates was caricatured:

        I will, therefore, describe the ancient system of education, how it was ordered, when I flourished in the advocacy of justice, and temperance was the fashion. In the first place it was incumbent that no one should hear the voice of a boy uttering a syllable; and next, that those from the same quarter of the town should march in good order through the streets to

    • I've got a therapist who is helping my kids, and I'm having a hard time justifying all the practices she is promoting. But since we are getting the input -- I've got to at least try what she recommends.

      But the "put all the violent video games away -- it will hurt their minds" really irks me. I know too many violent brats who aren't allowed to even play with toy guns, much less violent games. There's no damn serious studies that link the two; as if violence arose with a First Person Shooter.

      The main downside

  • by Bruce66423 ( 1678196 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @05:46AM (#49318501)
    There is a reported increase in 'mental illness'
    There is a massive decrease in street violence.
    There is an overwhelming rise in the availability of EVERYTHING on the internet.

    Go figure.
    • by Bongo ( 13261 )

      What if therapy doesn't work, what's the correlation between the age of these school kids and the first appearance of therapists as a regular presence in schools?

  • by bug1 ( 96678 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @05:50AM (#49318511)

    In the 1990s, I would have had one or two attempted suicides a year â" mainly teenaged girls taking overdoses, the things that don't get reported. Now, I could have as many as four a month.

    Perhaps pver the last 25 years she become good at her job, and gets more referals because of that, or maybe there is some other explanation as to why she as an individual has seen more attempted suicides.

    I think i know why she isnt a computer programmer

    • by Anonymous Coward

      And it’s not, she notes, simply a question of her reputation as both a practitioner and a writer drawing so many people to the door of her cosy consulting rooms in west London where we meet. “If I try to refer people on, everyone else is choc-a-bloc too. We are all saying the same thing. There has been an explosion in numbers in mental health problems amongst youngsters.”

      Try reading. It's fairly painless and might make you look less like an arrogant computer programmer...

    • > I think i know why she isnt a computer programmer

      She's a psychologist. That's pretty close to a computer programmer. Psychologists do their work on a biological computer and without the aid of a debugger and without the programmer's greatest tool: the reboot. But in both cases, it is trying to work out where the logical inconsistencies are and apply code patches to get the system to respond correctly to input.

  • Progress but... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Bongo ( 13261 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @05:55AM (#49318531)

    When people migrate from a small village to the city, they can't go on treating strangers with contempt and fear, instead, they have to learn to live being surrounded by thousands of strangers everyday. There is some suggestion that it's the move to cities which has something to do with the civilising process (ie. a reduction in common violence), although it also has its own kinds of stresses.

    Likewise, the internet allows people to interact across cities and nations and with thousands of people and frequently, and so it may be that it is a new challenge to our social behaviour. It isn't that cell phones are the problem, it may just be that the new complexity of a wider-connected environment means people have to learn new ways of dealing with it, mainly because everyone is going to be a victim to it, so everyone will need to start extending their empathy much further, not just to their village neighbour, not just the the stranger on the city bus next to you, but to "abstract" "avatars", human beings, out there. And also learn new skills for coping.

    • Your idea might work but it paints a disturbingly low opinion of people who live in rural areas with lots of space to themselves. (90% of Alaska?)
    • Well, or you could say that technologies and their impact on people, just like laws (or any change in the environment), can have unexpected consequences and, when they occur, one should still do something about it rather than stuffing fingers in your ears and yelling "La, la, la... Bright, shiny, new technology! Yum! You people cope!"

      Just sayin'.

    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      And also learn new skills for coping.

      But this is what gets the conservatives panties in a bunch. They don't want to teach kids critical thinking skills. They just want times to go back to the way they were when a small town's culture was taught by the local preacher. And they could control the populations belief systems by instilling a sense of fear of 'outsiders'.

      That Interweb is nothing but a bunch of outsiders.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 23, 2015 @05:56AM (#49318533)

    1) These violent movies are harming children...
    2) These violent video games are harming children...
    3) These violent websites are harming children..
    4) These Social networks are harming children...
    5) These Smartphones are harming children...

    Do they have any evidence to back this up which doesn't draw conclusions without a control and without drawing conclusions they pluck from the air???

  • There's no reason for most children to have pocket Internet connected computers.

    Heck, we have our family computer in the living room. So a pocket Internet connected computer would kind of defeat the point ...

    • Re:could be right (Score:5, Insightful)

      by brunes69 ( 86786 ) <`gro.daetsriek' `ta' `todhsals'> on Monday March 23, 2015 @06:49AM (#49318739)

      When my kid reaches secondary school (aka High School), she will no longer be a "child", she will be a young adult. The idea that a 15+ year old can not be trusted with a smartphone, when they drinking, having sex, and in all likelihood doing drugs from time to time, is ridiculous.

      People need to stop coddling their kids so much. Maybe that is the indirect cause of some of these issues, kids now unable to deal with the realities of the world as they get older because their helicopter parents never exposed them to it.

      • Indeed, my feelings exactly.

        For my generation it was too much TV causing these issues.

        What I see now are children who have zero social skills because their parents don't enforce any minimum standard of behavior. They get nowhere near enough exercise, nowhere near enough unsupervised time to just be kids and do stupid shit, far too much poor quality food, and are completely over-indulged.

        My kids weren't allowed in the house after school unless it was pissing it down with rain, in which case, they were
      • I agree with that -- because, really, how can we police them all the time?

        The only real solution is to educate kids on good internet practices -- and most parents aren't using them either, nor know what to do, or what to teach.

        There is a vacuum here and nature or spam will fill it.

        As someone who is fairly tech savvy, it's getting harder for me to detect the scams. Just forwarded a decent sounding job opportunity because I knew someone it fit, and then noticed the same text for a different company -- because

    • Re:could be right (Score:5, Insightful)

      by meta-monkey ( 321000 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @10:57AM (#49320379) Journal

      My dad was reluctant to buy my brother and I a computer when we were kids in the mid 80s. "What do we need a computer for? What do we compute? And if you want to play with one, isn't there one in the school library?" But we whined and whined and begged and he gave in.

      Big mistake. We spent all our time on that thing, taking it apart, putting it back together, programming it, instead of doing good, wholesome American activities like sportsball and racism. Now we're both screwed-up adults with engineering and computer science degrees, stuck in the dead-end tech industry.

  • by tomxor ( 2379126 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @06:12AM (#49318593)

    'In the 1990s, I would have had one or two attempted suicides a year – mainly teenaged girls taking overdoses, the things that don't get reported. Now, I could have as many as four a month.'

    It's not exactly thorough from a statistical point of view to jump to her conclusion. There could be all kinds of reasons, for her localised increase in cases, even if the change is national.

    I could easily pull a counter argument from thin air if no one is going to bother doing studies... for instance phones and increased internet access could be making children more likely to reach out for help when they would not have before.

    • And the data would seem to actually support that. There's an increase in reported suicide attempts, but not in actual suicides. The two ways of explaining it that I can think of is that teens are trying to kill themselves more, but have become less competent at it, or that teens behave the same, but are more likely to get help.
  • by Cafe Alpha ( 891670 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @06:41AM (#49318701) Journal

    "“When they are 15, you don’t, for example, let them go to pub..."

    She's saying that our kids are killing themselves because they aren't drinking enough ... and they're depressed because they know what wanking looks like. You know, I think any kid with a mirror already knows that.

  • Chill (Score:5, Funny)

    by frovingslosh ( 582462 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @06:45AM (#49318723)
    Relax, it isn't a real science.
  • There will be articles saying that our kids are sick because they don't troll enough on the internet, see enough porn or play enough video games.

  • I'm glad I taught my daughter to be careful/paranoid. I'm also glad she listened.

    What we're observing here and in many other different places is the classic problem of technological advancement: Powerful tools in untrained/unexperienced hands. Each of us here has seen the internet/web grow and trivial-to-stupid data-collection services come over us like the plaque. We have a natural negative reaction to post non-anonymous content online or giving some corporation or the public all our data just because they offer a flaky lock-in version of IRC or microblogging. For most users however, that is a very normal thing to do. I cringe each time I see others exposing themselves to abuse and fraud by posting everything under their real name and data. They are one identity theft or one online stalker away from having their entire life turned into living hell.

    I set up my daughters Ubuntu Netbook with two mailaccounts, one fake on with a pseudonym and one with her name. I told her to specifically use the latter only for official real-world stuff - sending in homework, applying for some course, etc. and the other for everthing else.

    When she went off for a student exchange in Malaysia, she set up a another seperate pseudonymed online Facebook account for the occasion, to be able to cut it lose should things get out of hand. That's daddys smart girl.

    Fake/pseudonymed accounts and a general base paranoia about all things online is a must these days if you don't want to be over-exposed to crap from immature teenagers.

    I'm glad my daughter caught the drift and didn't wave off her daddys advice on this matter.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      My hat is off to you, sir. Particularly since girls have to deal some of the most vile abuse and comments from trolls. I don't have kids, but I shudder to think of what they would see in the comments of otherwise innocuous youtube videos. And that's just one example. This is proactive - you teach her about the danger, teach her the unfortunate reality of the ephemeral and idiotic nature of a mob - and teach her how to outsmart it.

      I hate to say it, but if I ever have a daughter, I'm going to spend way more t

  • I have a 10 year old son and as much as I hate alarmism, I do find the allure of technology kind of scary.

    We give our son "screen time" (PC, XBox or iPad) but we usually limit it to an hour per day. But if given the ability, he would play much more than that. It's like a compulsion. And it's often a struggle when his hour is up to get him to quit.

    When we go places, I see lots of younger kids absolutely glued to a screen (iPad, iPhone usually). The touchscreen devices seem to have some kind of extra allu

  • 80% of kids have smartphones? I'm glad I'm not a kid today. My father was too much of a Luddite to get a color TV - no way would we have been allowed to have cell phones. much less smartphones, and he probably wouldn't have tolerated a PC or the internet in the house either. We would have grown up in a strange informationless cut off parallel universe from all the other kids.
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @07:31AM (#49318881)
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  • I am not a parent myself but the majority of kids of friends and family around me are good kids that I think and hope will grow up to be well-balanced individuals.

    The common factors amongst all of them are moderation, and exposure to adults other than their parents who take a genuine interest in them, as well as parents who make time for them. When socialising with other adults who talk to them and listen to them, they feel valued and get self-respect and self-worth.

    The problem with bad kids are the parents

  • Has the right to their opinion, and will find an audience simply to pay the bills. Psychotherapists practice psychobabble, purely and simply.

  • Cognitive bias is a self-deceptive practice in which a person (unintentionally) selects data to support his or her hypothesis. Understanding this principle is central to the critical analysis of scientific research. Is the person influenced by what they are seeing (due to their position, etc) when seeing a subset of the universe? Is the person drawing conclusions, abstracting from the subset to the whole, without realizing that the subset is not a representative one?

    There are many issues for concern
  • "Pocket rockets"? Uh, I'm pretty sure that term's already taken...
  • all the crazy stuff the parents went through — and now the kids are screwed up.
    is this really surprising?

  • She habitually wears pearls. And she's clutching them right now.

  • by quietwalker ( 969769 ) <pdughi@gmail.com> on Monday March 23, 2015 @09:59AM (#49319871)

    I'm not sure why it seems psychologists are prone to this, or if it's just the nature of media and headline-grabbing pop-psychology, but I see these sorts of statements pretty often from this sector.

    It's so very very hard to figure out what is making a person do what they're doing. We have problems figuring it out with rats in labs, and the best we have there is usually speculation and strong correlation. Humans are a whole other degree of complexity. Of course, with the rats, people are trying to do actual science: coming up with experimentally verifiable hypotheses, providing proper control and test groups, eliminating variables, and performing proper scientific testing. It's very hard to do well, and you rarely get more than confirmation of a component of a behavior.

    Yet you see psychologists with years in their field making professional statements on to the nature of culture and individuals with absolutely no rigorous scientific study, with only their personally experienced anecdotal data and an obviously heavily biased opinion to support them.

    There are a lot of things that have changed in the last 10, 20, 30 ... etc years when it comes the environment, manner, and culture in which children are raised. The internet and smart phones are just one part. Western nations have steadily been nurturing a culture of entitlement while removing sources of apparent confrontation and competition, which together may result in children who lack the ability to cope with difficult situations. Maybe the fact that it's now considered child abuse to spank (beat) your child? Perhaps the increased likelihood for parents to seek psychological help for their children along with a chemical fix? How about the longer and longer workday, or the increase in divorce rates? All the news about the low salaries and lack of jobs coupled with the price of education and the blame and mistrust of government and businesses, broadcast back at us 24/7 on every media available might affect one's behavior.

    If we're going to claim it's cell phones, there's an awful lot of work that needs to be done to eliminate every other possibility - or at least the reasonable ones - first, and that's just not being done.

    Perhaps it's unfair to label all of them, but this is one reason why people don't consider psychologists "real doctors". You see them make asinine statements like this.

  • by King_TJ ( 85913 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @10:44AM (#49320245) Journal

    Kids with pre-existing mental health conditions find their problems amplified by the use of smartphones and the various social media tools typically used on them?

    My 12 year old daughter has a few issues (anxiety, depression, mood swings) and we wound up taking away her smartphone after it seemed to keep causing problems. (Everything from a constant stress inducer when she "forgot to charge it and it was almost dead" when we were out someplace, to forgetting where she put it, to fights over putting the phone away while we were eating at the table, to eventually catching her sexting a guy on it and having inappropriate IM chats using it.)

    On the other hand, I don't see why for many kids, a smartphone is anything more than another useful tool to carry around in one's pocket?

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