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Multi-National Crew Reaches Space Station 70

An anonymous reader writes A Russian capsule carrying three astronauts from Russia, the United States and Italy has blasted off for the International Space Station. Aboard the capsule are Russian Anton Shkaplerov, Nasa's Terry Virts and European Space Agency astronaut Samantha Cristoforetti, Italy's first female astronaut. "I think that 100 years from now, 500 years from now, people will look back on this as the initial baby steps that we took going into the solar system," Virts told a pre-launch press conference. "In the same way that we look back on Columbus and the other explorers 500 years ago, this is the way people will look at this time in history."
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Multi-National Crew Reaches Space Station

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  • A clear sign that we are finally going to exploit the resources of our solar system.

    • by itzly ( 3699663 )
      There's not much to exploit that we can't get by digging in the Earth for a lower cost.
      • by dpilot ( 134227 )

        That depends on the destination for the final product. If you're building something for use off-Earth, using space-based resources from construction allows you to eliminate launch costs for the weight of that thing.

        This of course presumes that the launch cost of your asteroid harvester is less than the launch cost of what you're building with the materials. Then again, if one Earth-launched asteroid harvester can get enough raw materials for more than one space-built asteroid harvester, you're on your way

        • by itzly ( 3699663 )
          Without a useful primary purpose of all this "neat space-based stuff", it's a circular argument.
          • Figuring out how to robotically mine, refine, and construct machines serves no useful purpose? How about getting all those polluting industries off earth? What you really mean is that it serves to profitable short-term purpose....which is true. But since when are profitable short-term goals the only worthwhile ones?
            • by itzly ( 3699663 )

              Figuring out how to robotically mine, refine, and construct machines serves no useful purpose?

              It serves no useful purpose to do all of that in space given the insanely high cost.

              How about getting all those polluting industries off earth?

              How about figuring out how to mine stuff without pollution ?

              • It serves no useful purpose to do all of that in space given the insanely high cost.

                It's R&D, it costs a lot of money. It's not meant to replace efficient industries yet.

                How about figuring out how to mine stuff without pollution ?

                There are always toxic side effects to industry. What you're proposing can't be done.

                • by itzly ( 3699663 )

                  What you're proposing can't be done.

                  That's what they told Columbus. LOL. But seriously, mining with low pollution on Earth is much more realistic than an autonomous robotic mine on an asteroid.

                  • Yes, and in order to make your argument sound more plausible you're argument has changed from industry in general, to mining; and from no pollution to low pollution. What exactly is unrealistic about an autonomous robot on an asteroid. We've already done this. It's far more plausible than attempting to perform useful work without toxic byproducts...considering that nature wasn't even able to accomplish this natural selection.
                    • by itzly ( 3699663 )
                      It doesn't have to be "no pollution". It just has be low enough that it's not causing damage, or low enough that you can clean it up.

                      What exactly is unrealistic about an autonomous robot on an asteroid

                      Not just a "robot". Autonomous mining and refining equipment, plus all the infrastructure to build more. For instance, I assume your robot contains a CPU. That means you need a IC factory in space, plus a factory to build IC factories. Plus factories for all the materials you need. Basically, we're talking about launching a small to medium city. Now, how much rockets and fuel

                    • We're not talking about a small to medium city. I'm simply advocating R&D in space based robot industry. That is a worthwhile endeavor. And there's no reason you can't research that, AND lower the toxic side effects of industry. But the problem with lowering the toxic side effects of industry is that the entire manufacturing industry is against you. Whereas, with the R&D I'm proposing there is virtually no opposition except for a few extreme liberals who believe we shouldn't be launching rockets
                    • What specifically are you referring to? Capitalists have historically shown absolutely no qualms about replacing human labor with mechanical labor.
            • But since when are profitable short-term goals the only worthwhile ones?

              Since the stock market decided that quarterly numbers was the only meaningful metric and corporations stopped having any longer-term goals?

              Seriously, for the last decade it seems like long-term thinking is out the window, because people who run corporations only give a damn about the next quarter.

              And when the management team gets swapped out, they cancel anything which had been on-going in favor of new short-term measures.

              Or, at least,

          • by dpilot ( 134227 )

            We keep launching stuff into space, and launch cost is always a concern. This isn't new business, this is existing business. Even if only structural components could be space-source, and not the electronics or optics, it can still be a financial win.

      • Right now, that's true. But as the cost of digging deeper escalates and the minerals get more scarce, there will inevitably be a time when the cost of resources from space will drop below the cost of terrestrial mining.

        Long before that, we're going to see steadily increasing local use of space resources, such as habitats and solar arrays on the Moon made from lunar materials.

        • by itzly ( 3699663 )

          we're going to see steadily increasing local use of space resources, such as habitats and solar arrays on the Moon made from lunar materials.

          Why spend astronomical amounts of money to build habitats on the Moon ?

      • Expansion of the human habitat beyond earth.

        • by itzly ( 3699663 )
          Why ? You suffer huge cost, just to end up in a covered dome on some barren rock where you will be one mechanical failure away from death.
          • Why ? You suffer huge cost, just to end up in a covered dome on some barren rock where you will be one mechanical failure away from death.

            How is this any different than being on Earth? There are huge costs to society here on Earth. Yes, parts of the Earth will sustain us for the foreseeable future without us expending any energy. But that's never been enough for us. We humans are always moving into new habitats. We develop new technologies to help us do it. When we left Africa we developed tools to help us hunt and kill animals for the skins so we could survive in colder climates. We developed agriculture and husbandry for the same re

            • by itzly ( 3699663 )

              How is this any different than being on Earth?

              For starters, we can walk around outside, and find stuff that we can eat and drink just using our bare hands. So, if technology breaks down completely, humans will still be able to survive. That's a little different than anywhere else in the solar system, right ?

              Multiplying on Earth can only continue for so long.

              Even if all of Mars was habitable, it would only add one quarter additional Earth surface. But it isn't. And the rest of the solar system is even less hospitable than Mars.

              • So, if technology breaks down completely, humans will still be able to survive. That's a little different than anywhere else in the solar system, right ?

                We can still die at a moments notice.

                Even if all of Mars was habitable, it would only add one quarter additional Earth surface. But it isn't. And the rest of the solar system is even less hospitable than Mars.

                I never proposed it as a solution for overpopulation. I never proposed a mass migration. Why do people keep assuming that?

              • Even if all of Mars was habitable, it would only add one quarter additional Earth surface. But it isn't. And the rest of the solar system is even less hospitable than Mars.

                That's why in the long run, we've got to get out of the solar system and plant colonies somewhere else. Mars isn't an interesting end destination, but getting to Mars would help pave the way to start sending colonies out to all those exoplanets we keep discovering, and hoping one of them is habitable.

                This may actually be impossible. I've been working up a novel whose premise was a completely believable last ditch survival shot at colonizing the stars with as little new technology as possible. What if som

              • Humanity, possibly, but not humans.

                Cramming 7 billion people onto this rock requires a huge amount of technology. If it fails then we are still screwed. How many rivers in the US (or the world) are under artificial management rather than their natural flows? What happens if the technology producing that fails? What about agriculture? How many of those 7 billion would survive if agriculture had to continue without technology (water managment, oil-driven labour)?

                We are are still on a small cramped rock that w

      • The costs for digging things up on earth are going to be higher than anywhere else because it is our own habitat.

    • "Same as Columbus"? Does that mean they are going to try and secure Samantha Cristoforetti's place in the history books as the first person to discover the International Space Station, in direct contradiction to evidence suggesting other people made it there first?

  • really? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Chrisq ( 894406 ) on Monday November 24, 2014 @09:18AM (#48448611)

    "I think that 100 years from now, 500 years from now, people will look back on this as the initial baby steps that we took going into the solar system," Virts told a pre-launch press conference. "In the same way that we look back on Columbus and the other explorers 500 years ago, this is the way people will look at this time in history."

    More like the first time someone took a dugout log out to sea, paddled around within sight of shore, then came back again.

    • I agree that the historical significance is over rated.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) *

      Don't underestimate the difficulty of what we did back in the 50s and 60s. You don't need an airtight suit just to go out on your little dinghy, or millions of litres of rocket fuel igniting under you to get there. It's baby steps compared to what will one day be possible, but not exactly showing a lack of effort. That started in the mid 70s.

  • A Russian, an American and an Italian all walk into a space station.

    As soon as the shuttle that dropped them off reenters the atmosphere they discover that a fire has started in the living quarters. They crawl into the module with the escape capsules but discover that there are only two of the one-man crafts available. The Russian immediately dives through a door shouting "for the motherland!" The brave American offers the last capsule to the Italian, but the Italian politely refuses. He says, "Nah, let

  • No, I think 100 years from now the 60's would be the birth of the space program, and that mankind has been fucking-off for the last 40 years. Sorry, I watched 2001 the other night. That's what it could have been like.
    • Slacking, you say? During that time we have only been sending probes to every planet, plus Pluto, asteroids and now a comet. So far, manned programs have been a vestigial part of space exploration as a whole. Now that manned programs are going private, astronauts will be able to assume levels of personal risk that have not been possible since Apollo.

  • by rossdee ( 243626 ) on Monday November 24, 2014 @10:41AM (#48449317)

    Isn't that pretty much the rule for the ISS
    It is after all the International Space Station

  • It may happen sooner than you think. There was a time when people thought Shuttle will fly forever (like the B52), in fact before 2003 Columbia crash there were upgrade plans to continue Shuttle fleet into 2030s. Then in 2004 VSE announced Shuttle will stop flying in 2010 though many were in denial. All of sudden no more Shuttle which some felt like they were caught with their pants down. "What? we gotta buy seats from the Russians? Elon doesn't have something ready now?" I feel this may happen with ISS. US
  • Like Columbus? Does that mean they're planning genocide and exploitation of a race of people as slave labor?

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