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How Curved Spacetime Can Be Created In a Quantum Optics Lab 89

KentuckyFC writes: One way to explore the link between quantum mechanics and general relativity is to study the physics that occurs on a small scale in highly curved spacetimes. However, these conditions only occur in the most extreme environments such as at the edge of black holes or in the instants after the Big Bang. But now one physicist has described how it is possible to create curved spacetime in an ordinary quantum optics lab.

The idea is based on optical lattices, which form when a pair of lasers interfere to create an eggbox-like interference pattern. When ultracold atoms are dropped into the lattice, they become trapped like ping pong balls in an eggbox. This optical trapping technique is common in labs all over the world. However, the ultracold atoms do not stay at a fixed location in the lattice because they can tunnel from one location to another. This tunneling is a form of movement through the lattice and can be controlled by changing the laser parameters to make tunneling easier or more difficult.

Now, a physicist has shown that on a large scale, the tunneling motion of atoms through the lattice is mathematically equivalent to the motion of atoms in a quantum field in a flat spacetime. And that means it is possible to create a formal analogue of a curved spacetime by changing the laser parameters across the lattice. Varying the laser parameters over time even simulates the behavior of gravitational waves. Creating this kind of curved spacetime in the lab won't reveal any new physics but it will allow researchers to study the behavior of existing laws under these conditions for the first time. That's not been possible even in theory because the equations that describe these behaviors are so complex that they can only be solved in the simplest circumstances.
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How Curved Spacetime Can Be Created In a Quantum Optics Lab

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  • Stop making my brain hurt!
    • Re:Damn (Score:5, Informative)

      by i kan reed ( 749298 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @11:29AM (#48169737) Homepage Journal

      It's not meant to be brain hurting territory.

      It's like how zero gravity isn't possible on earth, but if you take a plane, and fly it in a parabolic curve matching G, the inside operates a lot like zero gravity.

      This is like that, but for arbitrarily curved space-time, instead of zero G.

      • I'd like to see them try to keep curved spacetime OUT of a lab.
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      • It's not meant to be brain hurting territory.

        It's like how zero gravity isn't possible on earth, but if you take. . . p>

        Its funny, as I understand it zero gravity isn't really possible anywhere inside our universe. In things like parabolic dives or orbital trajectories there is no change in actual gravity, the vehicle is merely accelerating to compensate. One of the main reasons why you cant do sensible gravity engine research within about 1 to 2 Earth diameters of the planets surface.

    • Re:Damn (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Wycliffe ( 116160 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @11:36AM (#48169809) Homepage

      Stop making my brain hurt!

      I think that's the point. It's too complex to model but if you have a playground that you can
      play with you can explore interactions without having to do a ton of math.
      Most people can't grasp certain complex stuff. Even something as simple as combining
      green light and red light to make yellow confuses people as it goes against their grade school intuition.
      Allow people to get a chance to play with it in a lab and then it just clicks.

      • by flyneye ( 84093 )

        I spent two weeks teaching relativity and quantum mechanics to an illiterate redneck.
        It only took two weeks.
        Next week, I teach a vocal class for pigs.
        I get paid a subsidy and hope to be very annoying.

      • Green light + red light = black light.

        How do you think we made the Jimi Hendrix posters on the walls of our rooms glow so brightly, back in the 70s, when UV fluorescent technology was prohibitively expensive for those of us in junior high?

        • Green light + red light = black light.

          How do you think we made the Jimi Hendrix posters on the walls of our rooms glow so brightly, back in the 70s, when UV fluorescent technology was prohibitively expensive for those of us in junior high?

          Um, No, It's yellow. Also, you're referring to a UV light which is a specific frequency of light. Combining the visual attributes
          of light doesn't change the underlying frequency. You can't create ultraviolet light by combining visible light.

    • Stop making my brain hurt!

      It will have to come out.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Sometimes thinking "outside the box" solves things that would be near impossible.
      For example, collecting elephants is usually hard, they are big and weight too much.
      Here's a problem easy to solve using the correct tools; a jar with lid, binoculars and a pair of tweezers.
      If done correctly, the problem of elephant collection becomes easy.
      First find an elephant (the hardest part of the collection process).
      Once located, look at the elephant through the wrong end of the binoculars, you will see that the elephant

  • Because there's one on every block! 7-11 has real competition now!

    • Eh, it's the kinda thing any physics department at a doctorate granting university would have. As opposed to a cyclotron, or other sorts of high-energy physics tools.

  • OK, so they found something that, according to their models, is a model for curved spacetime. Why not just use the original model?

    • Because you only have to mathematically prove the model, then you can run arbitrarily complex pragmatic experiments on it. Rather than proving the arbitrarily complex thing you're testing.

  • by vortex2.71 ( 802986 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#48169837)

    Since all mass curves spacetime I can curve spacetime simply by existing and being a bit overweight. Its just too bad that I'll have to wait until 2015 for the nobel prize!

    • Since all mass curves spacetime I can curve spacetime simply by existing and being a bit overweight. Its just too bad that I'll have to wait until 2015 for the nobel prize!

      Alas, you only get the prize if you manage to curve spacetime either more or less than what would ordinarily result from your particular fatness.

  • C'mon, get to the important part. How long until this gives us warp drive or a time machine?
    • I've calculated it's precisely the day after you die, which is also when immortality is invented. Tough break, duder.

    • Never. This is is only building a model for something which might not even exists (GR may lose to quantum effects in extremely curved spacetime)

      Title is even wrong, curved spacetime is NOT created by the hypothesised experiments.

  • by ardmhacha ( 192482 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @11:52AM (#48169951)

    Now, a physicist has shown that on a large scale, the tunneling motion of atoms through the lattice is mathematically equivalent to the motion of atoms in a quantum field in a flat spacetime.

    mathematically equivalent ?

    So they haven't created curved spacetime in a Quantum Optics Lab. They have done something that is a model of how they think curved space time would behave.

    • Yes! I was checking to make sure someone pointed that out, the headline is demonstrably incorrect.
    • by s.petry ( 762400 )

      While we are at it, remember that scientists have recently shown that black holes don't have to exist and may not exist. Further, the Expanding Quantum Vacuum theory for the evolution of the Universe discounts the need for a big bang.

      Interesting surely, but this theory is trying to build upon two theories that have some very good scientific competition.

    • Which is why this line was included in the description:

      "Creating this kind of curved spacetime in the lab won't reveal any new physics but it will allow researchers to study the behavior of existing laws under these conditions for the first time."

  • by Katatsumuri ( 1137173 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @11:55AM (#48169991)
    Related news: How faster-than-light travel can be created in a reflected sunlight spot.
  • Creating this kind of curved spacetime in the lab won't reveal any new physics but it will allow researchers to study the behavior of existing laws under these conditions for the first time. That's not been possible even in theory because the equations that describe these behaviors are so complex that they can only be solved in the simplest circumstances.

    Are they talking about general relativity equations?

    • Are they talking about general relativity equations?
      That's included, but I think the article and summary are actually getting it right for once. The equations in question are ones that reconcile GR with Quantum Mechanics, and that, in general, means variations on various String or Brane Theories, and quite possibly specifically Supersymmetry, if that's not being completly discarded by the researchers just because CERN is finding preliminary evidence that the simplest and lowest energy Supersymmetry model do

    • Yes, that's exactly what is being referred to here. The Einstein Equation [youtube.com] is a horrible differential equation which can only be solved analytically for a few idealized cases. However, they can be solved numerically [youtube.com] (taking several thousand CPU hours for a common case like two colliding black holes, I think). So it's not quite right to say that we can't solve them in complex circumstances - only that's it's quite slow.

      While quantum mechanics is involved in setting up this analogy (e.g. to describe the atoms

  • by CanHasDIY ( 1672858 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @01:04PM (#48170671) Homepage Journal

    ordinary quantum optics lab

    Something about the wording in that phrase gives me the urge to search Instructables for a how-to...

    • by Livius ( 318358 )

      We're so used to breakthroughs only coming from the extraordinary quantum optics lab.

  • So they made an analog that pretty well simulates curved spacetime. It's not actually curved spacetime. And here I was hoping the iPhone 7 would run off of a Stargate SG1 Zero Point Module made out of infinitely bent space :(
    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      And here I was hoping the iPhone 7

      Will curve its localized space-time if you put it in your back pocket and sit on it.

  • Not sure the best terms for this but... I've noticed a lot of non physical theories (space time, dark matter(though this is only non physical in the sense we haven't seen it yet), dark energy) require manipulation of physical materials to produce the expected results. I still wonder if we will eventually see these theories get an actual physical source. Just my bent $0.02.
  • Which is kind-of-a shame, since I'd have liked them, sunny side up.

  • The equations that describe these behaviors are so complex it can only mean that they're not seeing the big picture (whatever that is).
  • Really excellent succinct and easy to follow summary.

    And that on /. of all places, where article summaries usual go to die.

  • I can create inaccurate headlines that model what a exciting story would look like, in a lab. Its not a actual exciting story, but then neither is this.

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